l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 1 1/2的台子， 因为有毛驴在， 很疯狂， 毛驴是每手raise 16-22。 毛驴有800，
chip leader 有大约1500. 我有370. 一手牌， 毛驴在BB， EP limp， chip leader
在MP raise 25， 后面一个人call， 我在cut off call with JcQc， 毛驴fold了，
EP call， 4 个人看 flop with pot 100。 FLOP 10hJsQs。 EP check, chip leader
bet 180, MP fold. Me? EP had less than 180. |
d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | |
l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 3 I would fold. That was a scary board. He could have set of 10s or AK, or the
worst, KK. With a heavy drawing board like that, his flop overbet could be
justified.If you called the flop, then you would be pretty much committed.
That's too much to play for just two pairs. Let it go and wait for a better
spot.
leader
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 1/2的台子， 因为有毛驴在， 很疯狂， 毛驴是每手raise 16-22。 毛驴有800，
: chip leader 有大约1500. 我有370. 一手牌， 毛驴在BB， EP limp， chip leader
: 在MP raise 25， 后面一个人call， 我在cut off call with JcQc， 毛驴fold了，
: EP call， 4 个人看 flop with pot 100。 FLOP 10hJsQs。 EP check, chip leader
: bet 180, MP fold. Me? EP had less than 180.
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 4 也有可能是over pair，不过偶90%也会fold，偶是紧弱 |
s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 5 stack/pot ratio很小了，应该足够get in了
leader
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 1/2的台子， 因为有毛驴在， 很疯狂， 毛驴是每手raise 16-22。 毛驴有800，
: chip leader 有大约1500. 我有370. 一手牌， 毛驴在BB， EP limp， chip leader
: 在MP raise 25， 后面一个人call， 我在cut off call with JcQc， 毛驴fold了，
: EP call， 4 个人看 flop with pot 100。 FLOP 10hJsQs。 EP check, chip leader
: bet 180, MP fold. Me? EP had less than 180.
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 6 你们帮我算算， 如果他是 AA， KK， AK 的可能性分别是33%， 我能shove吗？ |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7 no. I run pokerstove and you only have 37% equality against AA, KK or AK w
/o considering flush draw/back door flush draw.
But it really depends how chip leader plays. Not much AK there
since he would not overbet with AK often even if there is flush draw there.
But against TT,JJ, QQ we are in a really bad shape.
I still prefer a fold there since you are usually not too much favor
even if you are ahead and you could be in a really bad shape if you are
behind now.
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 你们帮我算算， 如果他是 AA， KK， AK 的可能性分别是33%， 我能shove吗？
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 8 only 1 combo QQ and 1 combo JJ left on board..........
w
.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: no. I run pokerstove and you only have 37% equality against AA, KK or AK w
: /o considering flush draw/back door flush draw.
: But it really depends how chip leader plays. Not much AK there
: since he would not overbet with AK often even if there is flush draw there.
: But against TT,JJ, QQ we are in a really bad shape.
: I still prefer a fold there since you are usually not too much favor
: even if you are ahead and you could be in a really bad shape if you are
: behind now.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 9 with the action and overbetting size, that chance increases dramaticlly.
The major problem is that we are not much favor even if we are ahead now.
Against KK, we only have 51% equality, could be less if villian has back
door flush draw.
Just like KK vs AA happens once every 6105 time on a FR game, but after
4 or 5 betting from a super nit preflop , our KK does not look too good
since the chance that villian holding AA increases a lot.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: only 1 combo QQ and 1 combo JJ left on board..........
:
: w
: .
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 AA KK AK 37% equity, 再加上possible 1010, JJ, QQ. 除非有其他特别read, 还是fold 好些, 毕竟只有25$ invested. 再加上有short stack 在, 他bluff 的可能性可能还会小点.. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 11 I would fold pre-flop.
leader
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 1/2的台子， 因为有毛驴在， 很疯狂， 毛驴是每手raise 16-22。 毛驴有800，
: chip leader 有大约1500. 我有370. 一手牌， 毛驴在BB， EP limp， chip leader
: 在MP raise 25， 后面一个人call， 我在cut off call with JcQc， 毛驴fold了，
: EP call， 4 个人看 flop with pot 100。 FLOP 10hJsQs。 EP check, chip leader
: bet 180, MP fold. Me? EP had less than 180.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 fold pre 也不错。 不过象lz描述的桌子这样玩可能永远也看不到flop. Multi-way 有
位置， 有毛驴， 筹码也不浅， call 一下我觉得还行
I would fold pre-flop.
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【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: I would fold pre-flop.
:
: leader
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 13 Thank you for everybody's input. I made bad move though I won this hand.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: fold pre 也不错。 不过象lz描述的桌子这样玩可能永远也看不到flop. Multi-way 有
: 位置， 有毛驴， 筹码也不浅， call 一下我觉得还行
:
: I would fold pre-flop.
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h******g
发帖数: 100 | 14 What's your read on him? Is he that type of player would scared of the flash
draw and overbet w/nuts (to me, set and AK are the same on that board). If
so, fold, otherwise, you can take AK, QQ, JJ, TT out of his range and I
would shove and filp with KK, 3 to 2 favor against AA.
BTW, I would fold preflop.
leader
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 1/2的台子， 因为有毛驴在， 很疯狂， 毛驴是每手raise 16-22。 毛驴有800，
: chip leader 有大约1500. 我有370. 一手牌， 毛驴在BB， EP limp， chip leader
: 在MP raise 25， 后面一个人call， 我在cut off call with JcQc， 毛驴fold了，
: EP call， 4 个人看 flop with pot 100。 FLOP 10hJsQs。 EP check, chip leader
: bet 180, MP fold. Me? EP had less than 180.
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 15 我当时认为他有AA， KK的可能性大， 所以我shove了。
现在想想他有AK这样overbet也有可能， 毕竟是个action flop，
这个台子其实很crazy， 平均筹码在300BB以上， 有毛驴在， 如果JQs在有位置的情况
下都fold， 基本上没有机会看flop了
flash
If
【在 h******g 的大作中提到】
: What's your read on him? Is he that type of player would scared of the flash
: draw and overbet w/nuts (to me, set and AK are the same on that board). If
: so, fold, otherwise, you can take AK, QQ, JJ, TT out of his range and I
: would shove and filp with KK, 3 to 2 favor against AA.
: BTW, I would fold preflop.
:
: leader
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 16 chip leader啥牌？
preflop的话，AA，KK就raise 20BB？
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 我当时认为他有AA， KK的可能性大， 所以我shove了。
: 现在想想他有AK这样overbet也有可能， 毕竟是个action flop，
: 这个台子其实很crazy， 平均筹码在300BB以上， 有毛驴在， 如果JQs在有位置的情况
: 下都fold， 基本上没有机会看flop了
:
: flash
: If
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 17 en, 搂主还是把谜底揭开把。。。
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: chip leader啥牌？
: preflop的话，AA，KK就raise 20BB？
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 18 He floped nuts with A spade.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: en, 搂主还是把谜底揭开把。。。
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 19 yep, that's exactly what I thought, given actions before and on the flop.
Chip leader wanted to charge maximum to inferior hands or flush draws.
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: He floped nuts with A spade.
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 20 为什么有nuts还要overbet，赶FD么？
我觉得其实这种疯狂的桌子就应该玩小对和suited connector。pp flop set的概率是1
/8，所以只要implied odds 超过8倍就可以了。换句话说，只要大家的stack都超过$
160，$20看flop其实不吃亏。我记得suited connector hit 到draw的几率好像差不多
？
恭喜楼主的小船 |
p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 21
是1
Not really. Actually you need higher implied odds to play small pp. since
when you hit a set , you may not be againt over pair which is not likely to
be paid off. It needs at least 12-15 implied odds to play small pp.
换句话说，只要大家的stack都超过$
【在 n***a 的大作中提到】
: 为什么有nuts还要overbet，赶FD么？
: 我觉得其实这种疯狂的桌子就应该玩小对和suited connector。pp flop set的概率是1
: /8，所以只要implied odds 超过8倍就可以了。换句话说，只要大家的stack都超过$
: 160，$20看flop其实不吃亏。我记得suited connector hit 到draw的几率好像差不多
: ？
: 恭喜楼主的小船
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