f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 AcAs at BB, a few limpers, i made $12 to go, 1 caller.
flop: 8d3d2h
i c-bet pot $25, LP (weak tight in general) tanks and calls.
turn: 4h
i bet $50, he takes a long time and calls.
river: 8c
i block bet $30 and he shoves $200.
i got $130 left... | H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 2 I'd fold
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: AcAs at BB, a few limpers, i made $12 to go, 1 caller.
: flop: 8d3d2h
: i c-bet pot $25, LP (weak tight in general) tanks and calls.
: turn: 4h
: i bet $50, he takes a long time and calls.
: river: 8c
: i block bet $30 and he shoves $200.
: i got $130 left...
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 3 I'd call here. Your 30 river bet looked like a scary bet, and he seemed to
take an advantage of you here. You could've either checked or made a big bet
like 75-85. If he still raised you on that river, than fold. But I would
just check and then reevaluate.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: AcAs at BB, a few limpers, i made $12 to go, 1 caller.
: flop: 8d3d2h
: i c-bet pot $25, LP (weak tight in general) tanks and calls.
: turn: 4h
: i bet $50, he takes a long time and calls.
: river: 8c
: i block bet $30 and he shoves $200.
: i got $130 left...
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 4 Plus, 200 looks like an overbet to me. He seemed to not want you to call.
His tank-call was a little unusual on the flop if he did have an eight. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 i made the shove too quickly, damn.
i got 7h8h, on the flop, with position, i guess he could naked c-bet
sometimes.
on the turn, i knew he didn't see the backdoor flush, also, another 7 could
hurt him bad too.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Plus, 200 looks like an overbet to me. He seemed to not want you to call.
: His tank-call was a little unusual on the flop if he did have an eight.
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 6 Ok, you would've gotten my money then. I didn't see the backdoor flush draw
either. To me, it was a little too loose to call the 50 turn bet with just a
top pair, but you had the backdoor flush draw, so it was ok to call. Shove
200 on that river was a little too much. I just told my husband that I would
make 80 to go on the river to get more value, that's why I didn't think he
or you had trip 8.
could
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i made the shove too quickly, damn.
: i got 7h8h, on the flop, with position, i guess he could naked c-bet
: sometimes.
: on the turn, i knew he didn't see the backdoor flush, also, another 7 could
: hurt him bad too.
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 7 lol.
could
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i made the shove too quickly, damn.
: i got 7h8h, on the flop, with position, i guess he could naked c-bet
: sometimes.
: on the turn, i knew he didn't see the backdoor flush, also, another 7 could
: hurt him bad too.
| c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 8 An instant fold for me. You know what, my biggest leak is that I cannot fold
a strong hand. I always talk myself into calling. But this time I am 100%
sure that a fold is correct that I would throw my AAs faces up to make
villain feel bad.
Not just because a rive raise against 3-barrel is rarely a bluff. A more
reliable evidence is that villain has been tanking twice on flop and turn.
Just ask yourself -- when was the last time you tanked and reluctantly
called two bets on the flop and turn, but then decided to fire a huge raise
to bluff the river? Never! Right?
At 1/2 and 2/5, even the craziest bluffer dares not to act weakness on the
flop and turn and then run a huge bluff on the river. | p******e
发帖数: 327 | 9 lol, i like the "weak tight in general" self description
could
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i made the shove too quickly, damn.
: i got 7h8h, on the flop, with position, i guess he could naked c-bet
: sometimes.
: on the turn, i knew he didn't see the backdoor flush, also, another 7 could
: hurt him bad too.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 10 how did you do today? I have been playing crazy online today. Played over 200 matches.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: AcAs at BB, a few limpers, i made $12 to go, 1 caller.
: flop: 8d3d2h
: i c-bet pot $25, LP (weak tight in general) tanks and calls.
: turn: 4h
: i bet $50, he takes a long time and calls.
: river: 8c
: i block bet $30 and he shoves $200.
: i got $130 left...
| | | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 11 I would fold too if LP is not too creative...-. You just have a bluff cather
on the river.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: AcAs at BB, a few limpers, i made $12 to go, 1 caller.
: flop: 8d3d2h
: i c-bet pot $25, LP (weak tight in general) tanks and calls.
: turn: 4h
: i bet $50, he takes a long time and calls.
: river: 8c
: i block bet $30 and he shoves $200.
: i got $130 left...
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 wuwuwuwu~~~~, you guys made me feel missing value, damn, raising to $80
might be better, lol, i thought he's committed with only $130 left ($100
invested) and i could look like a busted diamond draw.
i did ok, 6 hours for $400, hit and run, lol.
over 200 matches.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: I would fold too if LP is not too creative...-. You just have a bluff cather
: on the river.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 sigh, right, right.
fold
raise
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: An instant fold for me. You know what, my biggest leak is that I cannot fold
: a strong hand. I always talk myself into calling. But this time I am 100%
: sure that a fold is correct that I would throw my AAs faces up to make
: villain feel bad.
: Not just because a rive raise against 3-barrel is rarely a bluff. A more
: reliable evidence is that villain has been tanking twice on flop and turn.
: Just ask yourself -- when was the last time you tanked and reluctantly
: called two bets on the flop and turn, but then decided to fire a huge raise
: to bluff the river? Never! Right?
: At 1/2 and 2/5, even the craziest bluffer dares not to act weakness on the
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 14 faint! you changed your role again in the hand. lol.
I like the shove though, the smaller raise will make it look like a value raise. the
shove look more like a bluff. Plus you make more if got called.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: wuwuwuwu~~~~, you guys made me feel missing value, damn, raising to $80
: might be better, lol, i thought he's committed with only $130 left ($100
: invested) and i could look like a busted diamond draw.
: i did ok, 6 hours for $400, hit and run, lol.
:
: over 200 matches.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 i just want to know how likely such a shove may get called.
although if they observe my play, i never bluff shove in this spot at all,
hehe.
the
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: faint! you changed your role again in the hand. lol.
: I like the shove though, the smaller raise will make it look like a value raise. the
: shove look more like a bluff. Plus you make more if got called.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 it is harder to get a call when highest cards pairs up than bottom cards pairs
up. You have too many 8x hands in the range after calling 2 big bets. you
might just get a call if it is a 7 peels off instead or if you have Ah3h and
another 3 comes on the river. | H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 17 How likely it get called might be related to how often you do this kinda
moves...
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i just want to know how likely such a shove may get called.
: although if they observe my play, i never bluff shove in this spot at all,
: hehe.
:
: the
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 18 agree.
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: How likely it get called might be related to how often you do this kinda
: moves...
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 my thought was he wouldn't believe me calling pre/flop/turn big bets with
any weak 8x or trash TP hands, unless he's really good to see that backdoor
8hXh hand.
or he believed me flopping some trash set and was trapping him all the way.
pairs
and
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: it is harder to get a call when highest cards pairs up than bottom cards pairs
: up. You have too many 8x hands in the range after calling 2 big bets. you
: might just get a call if it is a 7 peels off instead or if you have Ah3h and
: another 3 comes on the river.
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 20 A5 might be another possible hand played like this?
backdoor
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: my thought was he wouldn't believe me calling pre/flop/turn big bets with
: any weak 8x or trash TP hands, unless he's really good to see that backdoor
: 8hXh hand.
: or he believed me flopping some trash set and was trapping him all the way.
:
: pairs
: and
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 en, i didn't see this one then, lol.
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: A5 might be another possible hand played like this?
:
: backdoor
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 22 he does not know you are fryking. He does not know you would fold 8x facing
2 big bets. But a lot of bad live players could call 2 big bets with top
pair and fold to second barrel with bottom pair even though 8x 3x is
probably the same after the turn bet. So in his eyes, you have a lot more
8x hands than 3x, which means a lot more hands that could have him beat
even though the sets/straight/busted draw % stays the same. More importantly, 8x actually makes sense here, while you are more likely to have raised with sets/straight on the turn already.
when we play against players without history, we really don't need to balance
our own range. We balance our range as one of the fishes on 1/2$ tables,
until they start to know how we play. in other words, as played if river is
an 8, it is a decent bluffing card to rep 8x. If river is a 3, then it is a
very good value card. So adjust your sizing accordingly based on what you have.
backdoor
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: my thought was he wouldn't believe me calling pre/flop/turn big bets with
: any weak 8x or trash TP hands, unless he's really good to see that backdoor
: 8hXh hand.
: or he believed me flopping some trash set and was trapping him all the way.
:
: pairs
: and
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 true.
a lot of ppl only see or care about what they fear most, so on the 8 river,
trip 8s are their worst nightmare, and they forgot there're tons of other
possiblities too.
facing
importantly, 8x actually makes sense here, while you are more likely to have
raised with sets/straight on the turn already.
balance
is
a
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: he does not know you are fryking. He does not know you would fold 8x facing
: 2 big bets. But a lot of bad live players could call 2 big bets with top
: pair and fold to second barrel with bottom pair even though 8x 3x is
: probably the same after the turn bet. So in his eyes, you have a lot more
: 8x hands than 3x, which means a lot more hands that could have him beat
: even though the sets/straight/busted draw % stays the same. More importantly, 8x actually makes sense here, while you are more likely to have raised with sets/straight on the turn already.
: when we play against players without history, we really don't need to balance
: our own range. We balance our range as one of the fishes on 1/2$ tables,
: until they start to know how we play. in other words, as played if river is
: an 8, it is a decent bluffing card to rep 8x. If river is a 3, then it is a
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