s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 1 PLO50，我严重觉得我打错了这里应该raise还是call
$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - http://www.handconverter.com/ha
nds/1601941
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
SB: $41.12
BB: $57.44
UTG: $170.71
MP: $3.27
CO: $50.50
Hero (BTN): $169.98
Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN with Qc 9s Tc Kh
3 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, BB calls $1.25
Flop: ($3.75) Qs 4s Jh (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.81, BB raises to $12.18, Hero ? |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 I don't play PLO much, but without too much history, I think it is a fold.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 Things I think u should consider, how often he 3 bet from blind. How often
he check raise flop. That should be able narrow down his range a bit.
PLO50，我严重觉得我打错了这里应该raise还是call$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
- 6 players - 
: PLO50，我严重觉得我打错了这里应该raise还是call
: $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - http://www.handconverter.com/ha
: nds/1601941
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: SB: $41.12
: BB: $57.44
: UTG: $170.71
: MP: $3.27
: CO: $50.50
: Hero (BTN): $169.98
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 4 我一直不明白为啥omaha要pot limited，难道不能no limited？
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: PLO50，我严重觉得我打错了这里应该raise还是call
: $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - http://www.handconverter.com/ha
: nds/1601941
: The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
: SB: $41.12
: BB: $57.44
: UTG: $170.71
: MP: $3.27
: CO: $50.50
: Hero (BTN): $169.98
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I**n
发帖数: 839 | 5 You really don't have much on the flop.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: PLO50，我严重觉得我打错了这里应该raise还是call
: $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - http://www.handconverter.com/ha
: nds/1601941
: The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
: SB: $41.12
: BB: $57.44
: UTG: $170.71
: MP: $3.27
: CO: $50.50
: Hero (BTN): $169.98
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D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 6 too many outs to beat your hand. Should call the check. |
D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 7 这应该是一种平衡各个回合以及入局的人数吧。尤其是翻牌前后。
without pot limit, Omaha can go pretty wild
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 我一直不明白为啥omaha要pot limited，难道不能no limited？
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 8 i got a big wrapper here
my hand is ahead facing bare set say qq jj
i dont consider folding here
the hands i only afraid is bigger wrapper+flushdraw or set+flushdraw
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I don't play PLO much, but without too much history, I think it is a fold.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 I know you have a wrap. But it is also a sucker's wrap (not the biggest one) and you don't have a flush draw either. Your draw is just so so in plo imo. That's why you need to look at this guys 3 bet range to see whether he would 3 bet hands like AKQ10cc (which you are in very bad shape against). Another question is whether he would check raise and get it in with 2 pairs here. Obviously if he only has 2 pair or bare set without flush draw or a bare flush draw then you are not in too bad a shape. Otherwise you are behind. I think your read will decide whether you want to get it in. If you want to get it, i would just repot than call. i don't think he is folding. But the turn card can kill more of your equity. Either way, i don't think this is a hand that we are happy to get in with on the flop.
btw我不大懂plo.. 胡说的
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: i got a big wrapper here
: my hand is ahead facing bare set say qq jj
: i dont consider folding here
: the hands i only afraid is bigger wrapper+flushdraw or set+flushdraw
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I**n
发帖数: 839 | 10 If a decent player plays the stack with you here normally they will have two
way draw and have you beat
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: i got a big wrapper here
: my hand is ahead facing bare set say qq jj
: i dont consider folding here
: the hands i only afraid is bigger wrapper+flushdraw or set+flushdraw
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 11 got you，有道理啊，MM老师还是讲得详细点好
另一种假设，如果手握bare set怎么打？比如JJxx,QQxx
one) and you don't have a flush draw either. Your draw is just so so in plo
imo. That's why you need to look at this guys 3 bet range to see whether he
would 3 bet hands like A
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I know you have a wrap. But it is also a sucker's wrap (not the biggest one) and you don't have a flush draw either. Your draw is just so so in plo imo. That's why you need to look at this guys 3 bet range to see whether he would 3 bet hands like AKQ10cc (which you are in very bad shape against). Another question is whether he would check raise and get it in with 2 pairs here. Obviously if he only has 2 pair or bare set without flush draw or a bare flush draw then you are not in too bad a shape. Otherwise you are behind. I think your read will decide whether you want to get it in. If you want to get it, i would just repot than call. i don't think he is folding. But the turn card can kill more of your equity. Either way, i don't think this is a hand that we are happy to get in with on the flop.
: btw我不大懂plo.. 胡说的
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 12 如果对手持有bare set raise了flop，hero推回去，对手会fold么
two
【在 I**n 的大作中提到】
: If a decent player plays the stack with you here normally they will have two
: way draw and have you beat
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 13 查了一下，villian 500手只有1.5%的3-bet
应该只有3-bet premium AAxx
one) and you don't have a flush draw either. Your draw is just so so in plo
imo. That's why you need to look at this guys 3 bet range to see whether he
would 3 bet hands like A
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I know you have a wrap. But it is also a sucker's wrap (not the biggest one) and you don't have a flush draw either. Your draw is just so so in plo imo. That's why you need to look at this guys 3 bet range to see whether he would 3 bet hands like AKQ10cc (which you are in very bad shape against). Another question is whether he would check raise and get it in with 2 pairs here. Obviously if he only has 2 pair or bare set without flush draw or a bare flush draw then you are not in too bad a shape. Otherwise you are behind. I think your read will decide whether you want to get it in. If you want to get it, i would just repot than call. i don't think he is folding. But the turn card can kill more of your equity. Either way, i don't think this is a hand that we are happy to get in with on the flop.
: btw我不大懂plo.. 胡说的
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 再胡说两句。
这个人的3bet还是很紧的吧。然后可以看看他在bb cold call 的range 越紧，他这里
hit到的大牌的可能就越大， 因为这牌面hit 到很多他cold call 的premium hand
like 4 broadway card and 2 spade. 当然还有qqxx jjxx, with or without flush
draw. 这里他有set of Q 是肯定不会fold 的。 J set都够呛， 看他pot 就想是要get
it in.
再看看他flop check raised 的频率， 越多他的牌越弱。 基本这里， 对手很紧的活
， 这里你对他range 没有优势。 当然你自己的形象也要考虑到的, 可以决定他是不是
会raise you light. 他raise light, 你当然repot, for value and for fold equity
.
查了一下，villian 500手只有1.5%的3-bet应该只有3-bet premium AAxx
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【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 查了一下，villian 500手只有1.5%的3-bet
: 应该只有3-bet premium AAxx
:
: one) and you don't have a flush draw either. Your draw is just so so in plo
: imo. That's why you need to look at this guys 3 bet range to see whether he
: would 3 bet hands like A
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q**q
发帖数: 51 | 15 you have 6 outs to nuts, easy call.
re-evalute on the turn.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: PLO50，我严重觉得我打错了这里应该raise还是call
: $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - http://www.handconverter.com/ha
: nds/1601941
: The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
: SB: $41.12
: BB: $57.44
: UTG: $170.71
: MP: $3.27
: CO: $50.50
: Hero (BTN): $169.98
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 PLO 玩得就是nuts. 6 nut draw 太少了。 其实有可能6 个都没有， 别人手里可能拿
着你的outs, 或者你的nut draw 其实split, 你被人freeroll.
you have 6 outs to nuts, easy call.re-evalute on the turn.
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【在 q**q 的大作中提到】
: you have 6 outs to nuts, easy call.
: re-evalute on the turn.
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q**q
发帖数: 51 | 17 bb only have 50? then it is a fold.
call if bb have more than 120,
【在 q**q 的大作中提到】
: you have 6 outs to nuts, easy call.
: re-evalute on the turn.
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q**q
发帖数: 51 | 18 6 outs to nuts, and a lot outs to maybe best hand.
If bb is deep, easy call, I didn't notice bb only have $50.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: PLO 玩得就是nuts. 6 nut draw 太少了。 其实有可能6 个都没有， 别人手里可能拿
: 着你的outs, 或者你的nut draw 其实split, 你被人freeroll.
:
: you have 6 outs to nuts, easy call.re-evalute on the turn.
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 19 I think it is a fold.
Case 1: If he rarely check raises, then he got a set for sure and you are
behind a by significant margin.
Case 2: If he check raises very often, then he got set, 2-pair, or a nut
flush draw here. You are generally behind his range and there is always a
better chance to fight back.
The only argument for a raise is that you got a Q in your hand so he is very
unlikely to have a top set here. You might fold his middle/bottom set and
anything weaker than that. In that case, he might like a raise here,
either. |
c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 20 Because in Omaha, a hand can never dominate another hand by too much. Even
258J rainbow still has 30%
chance against AAKK double suited.
Because of this, Omaha cannot be no limit. Otherwise a rich, drunk donk can
screw up the whole game by pushing allin on many hands. The game will become
a preflop allin chicken game since, whatever you have, you will rarely be
in huge trouble preflop. There will be no much skill needed.
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: 我一直不明白为啥omaha要pot limited，难道不能no limited？
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 21 Case 1如果他没有flush draw的set，我是领先的，大概55-45........
very
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: I think it is a fold.
: Case 1: If he rarely check raises, then he got a set for sure and you are
: behind a by significant margin.
: Case 2: If he check raises very often, then he got set, 2-pair, or a nut
: flush draw here. You are generally behind his range and there is always a
: better chance to fight back.
: The only argument for a raise is that you got a Q in your hand so he is very
: unlikely to have a top set here. You might fold his middle/bottom set and
: anything weaker than that. In that case, he might like a raise here,
: either.
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p****t
发帖数: 292 | 22 Looks like an easy fold to me and I don't know why you just rule that option
out.
And if bb were deep, I would say it's still a fold. |
p****t
发帖数: 292 | 23 如果他确实是set,他有很大的机会可以在turn push you out when a brick hits,但是
not necessarily pay you off when you make your hand. In other words, by just
calling, 你不能兑现你想的55% equity.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: Case 1如果他没有flush draw的set，我是领先的，大概55-45........
:
: very
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 24 Just ran the hand calculator. You are right -- this is indeed
counterintuitive.
Then I feel that a reraise might be good. Villain will feel very disgusted
to call even with a middle set, since he might be drawing dead with one out.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: Case 1如果他没有flush draw的set，我是领先的，大概55-45........
:
: very
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 25 不过我看了MM的讨论以后感觉确实很难决定reraise。。。。
对了我发现PLO里面flop raise%比NL高不少啊，一般NL的整个桌子平均10%左右，PLO
要到20%的人也不少，raise for info的人还真不少
out.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Just ran the hand calculator. You are right -- this is indeed
: counterintuitive.
: Then I feel that a reraise might be good. Villain will feel very disgusted
: to call even with a middle set, since he might be drawing dead with one out.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 i think folding and reraising are all ok. But I really don't like calling.
some turn card can kill your equity completely and you will be playing in
the dark like a flush card. He can push with set or made flush on the turn
because he is already pot committed, but you will have a hard time to make
the right decision.
If they like to raise for info a lot with pot raise or with weak draws, i
think it is never wrong to get in here. Your hand is not that weak by any
means. Actually if people like to check/pot raise a lot, I think you should
think more about pot controlling when c betting. Even checking back this
hand on the flop is not too bad if you are not planning to re-repot all in.
You have a decent draw and show down value. The turn card can kill some
equity of some monster draws too which is good for you. So it seems that
taking a free card is ok. This board is just too much of an action board.
if you aren't planning to go all the way, it will be hard for you to
continue when facing frequent pot raise.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 不过我看了MM的讨论以后感觉确实很难决定reraise。。。。
: 对了我发现PLO里面flop raise%比NL高不少啊，一般NL的整个桌子平均10%左右，PLO
: 要到20%的人也不少，raise for info的人还真不少
:
: out.
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 27 MM老师，我发现我确实有一些牌打得过于aggro，特别是不怎么会check behind to
take
a free card。 我觉得有些board过于激进可能导致我NL100上赚不到钱的主要原因。
有时候这个度很难控制，我经常尝试变化flop之后的AF，发现效果也不是特别好
should
.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i think folding and reraising are all ok. But I really don't like calling.
: some turn card can kill your equity completely and you will be playing in
: the dark like a flush card. He can push with set or made flush on the turn
: because he is already pot committed, but you will have a hard time to make
: the right decision.
: If they like to raise for info a lot with pot raise or with weak draws, i
: think it is never wrong to get in here. Your hand is not that weak by any
: means. Actually if people like to check/pot raise a lot, I think you should
: think more about pot controlling when c betting. Even checking back this
: hand on the flop is not too bad if you are not planning to re-repot all in.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 靠, 不要叫MM老师了, 太肉麻了.
i guess you need to have a plan at the flop especially for plo when they
like to play for stack a lot. Ranging specific hand is difficult in plo, but
you should have some idea whether you want to play for stack before you
even start betting after flop based on your opponent's stack off range and
your own hand. PLO is more about playing your own hand, with different board
structure and always remember "big hand--big pot, small hand--small pot".
It is so easy to understand, but hard to follow it through every single hand
. That requires a lot of focus and discipline. When you c-bet ask yourself
these question "what worse hand will he call with? what hand will he repot
me with? Can I call with his repot or re-repot all in facing that raising
range?" Have those plan before you make your automatic c-bet. if they like
to stack off too light, that is a huge leak in plo. you can exploit them
very easily with a range stronger than them. Over agro is usually a leak, in
holdem as well. Phil Galfond said that in his well. i have seen also others
good small stake player saying that.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: MM老师，我发现我确实有一些牌打得过于aggro，特别是不怎么会check behind to
: take
: a free card。 我觉得有些board过于激进可能导致我NL100上赚不到钱的主要原因。
: 有时候这个度很难控制，我经常尝试变化flop之后的AF，发现效果也不是特别好
:
: should
: .
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 29 要叫MM 老湿。。。lol.
but
board
hand
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 靠, 不要叫MM老师了, 太肉麻了.
: i guess you need to have a plan at the flop especially for plo when they
: like to play for stack a lot. Ranging specific hand is difficult in plo, but
: you should have some idea whether you want to play for stack before you
: even start betting after flop based on your opponent's stack off range and
: your own hand. PLO is more about playing your own hand, with different board
: structure and always remember "big hand--big pot, small hand--small pot".
: It is so easy to understand, but hard to follow it through every single hand
: . That requires a lot of focus and discipline. When you c-bet ask yourself
: these question "what worse hand will he call with? what hand will he repot
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