c*****t
发帖数: 817 | |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | |
d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | |
d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | |
w********1
发帖数: 1414 | 5 多少小时？
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 目前在cake利润终于达到一万了。
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 6 grats
发包子吧...
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 目前在cake利润终于达到一万了。
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 7 大约打了1300个MTT吧。平均BUYIN $10。ROI大约70%。
sharkscope就可以看到所有MTT的数据。不过所有的track网站都没法准确跟踪你在
REBUY/ADDON比赛中的buyin。他只能按平均buyin来算。而我是主打rebuy/addon的比赛
，又总是在rebuy结束时进去再加一个addon。所以网站就总高估我的buyin。 |
d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 8 cake MTT belongs to Revolution network
这nm真混乱啊，有谁知道，这世界上到底有多少cash network多少MTT network |
s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 9 shakescope
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 哪里可以查cake MTT的数据
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 10 congrats! 这个cake很好啊，rebuy game竟然还有overlay。
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 目前在cake利润终于达到一万了。
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 11 这个ROI很厉害啊。你为什么rebuy结束才进去？我觉得rebuy game大家都是在rebuy期
间拼命搞个大stack，然后addon之后再打得正常一些的。
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 大约打了1300个MTT吧。平均BUYIN $10。ROI大约70%。
: sharkscope就可以看到所有MTT的数据。不过所有的track网站都没法准确跟踪你在
: REBUY/ADDON比赛中的buyin。他只能按平均buyin来算。而我是主打rebuy/addon的比赛
: ，又总是在rebuy结束时进去再加一个addon。所以网站就总高估我的buyin。
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 这个策略很新奇。 一般rebuy 是多少时间？ late registration 呢？ merge late
registration 都是1小时。 难道是late registration 快结束的时候买入最划算？不
过一个小时后买入，stack 都有点太小了。
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 大约打了1300个MTT吧。平均BUYIN $10。ROI大约70%。
: sharkscope就可以看到所有MTT的数据。不过所有的track网站都没法准确跟踪你在
: REBUY/ADDON比赛中的buyin。他只能按平均buyin来算。而我是主打rebuy/addon的比赛
: ，又总是在rebuy结束时进去再加一个addon。所以网站就总高估我的buyin。
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 13 Cake rarely has overlay -- life is not that sweet. :-)
But I do think last minute buyin is always +EV. This is true even for
regular MTTs. Lets see an example. Say a regular MTT has 1000 players with $
10k prize pool and 5000 starting chips. After 1 hour, 500 busted. So we have
500 players left and 10000 average chips. Lets simplify the case and say
that a player with the average stack size has 10k / 500 = $20 equity.Then I
joined at the last minute. I paid $10+fee and got 5000 chips, which is half
the average stack size. According to the ICM model, the chips in a short
stack are worth more. So my equity is definitely higher than $20/2 --
depending on the stack size distribution in most cases my equity is between
$11 and $12. In comparison, if I join in the beginning, then everyone got
the same stack size and their equity is the same $10. So I automatically got
a 0~10% ROI (after subtracting the fee) by joining late.
The deal is sweeter for rebuy games, since the average stack size grows with
all those rebuy/addons. Hence your starting stack becomes even shorter --
the shorter you are, the more value your chips have. So the base ROI is even
higher.
Furthermore, short stack (<= 20BBs) poker is such a solved problem. I am 100
% sure that I am as good (if not better) as Phil Ivey in <20BB games,
because there are known optimal strategies in <20BB games.
Even better, short stacks have a fundamental edge over big/medium stacks
Basically, as a short stack you can be fearless and bully everyone at the
table and they know it but they cannot do anything. This is because, big
stacks have to raise light to steal/bully medium stacks. But then you can
shove light on top to squeeze -- you will get a very good risk/reward ratio.
For example, in the final stage and the pay jump is big. The big stack (22/
16 with 100 BBs) raises 2.5 BB with AQ. The medium stack (40BBs) call with
88. Another medium stack (50BBs) call with JTs. Then you have 15BBs sitting
at SB. You got 77. Of course you shove. The big stack will reraise and kick
everybody out of the game for you. If you win this trace, then you have a
very healthy stack with 40BBs. If you lose or run into a bigger pair, so be
it. No regret. With a short stack, you almost never make a mistake. Nobody
can bluff you. It is always you who keeps them guessing. |
c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 14
I am aware of that strategy. But that makes no sense online.
Everyday there are hundreds of tourneys. We just grinding and are not
competing for bracelets. Why do we want to race for a bigger stack, as the
chips have diminishing value? The best scenario is -- you keep steal/
restealing without much allin confrontations. This way you maintain a
healthy 20BB stack size and survive as long as possible while minimizing
your risk.
【在 p**********1 的大作中提到】
: 这个ROI很厉害啊。你为什么rebuy结束才进去？我觉得rebuy game大家都是在rebuy期
: 间拼命搞个大stack，然后addon之后再打得正常一些的。
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 这个stretegy 不错。可以试试。
不过按你的逻辑，你为十么要addon? 如果addon 的chip是同一个价，不是不addon 最
划算
？。
$
have
I
half
between
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Cake rarely has overlay -- life is not that sweet. :-)
: But I do think last minute buyin is always +EV. This is true even for
: regular MTTs. Lets see an example. Say a regular MTT has 1000 players with $
: 10k prize pool and 5000 starting chips. After 1 hour, 500 busted. So we have
: 500 players left and 10000 average chips. Lets simplify the case and say
: that a player with the average stack size has 10k / 500 = $20 equity.Then I
: joined at the last minute. I paid $10+fee and got 5000 chips, which is half
: the average stack size. According to the ICM model, the chips in a short
: stack are worth more. So my equity is definitely higher than $20/2 --
: depending on the stack size distribution in most cases my equity is between
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 16 addon一般有discount，一个buyin更多chips
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 这个stretegy 不错。可以试试。
: 不过按你的逻辑，你为十么要addon? 如果addon 的chip是同一个价，不是不addon 最
: 划算
: ？。
:
: $
: have
: I
: half
: between
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 17 Right. Addon often has >20% discount. Otherwise I wont take it. |
p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 18 well，I guess the assumption here is that your edge over the field increase
when your stack size increase, because you got more weapons like 3betting
light in position, and unlike short stack, you can now play more hands like
small pair suited connectors etc to stack off some donks(sitting on a huge
stack), who never fold over pair or TPTK.
but I totally agree with you that small stack is very easy to play and when
we choose our opponents wisely, it's very profitable to shove or 3bet shove
or squeeze etc.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Right. Addon often has >20% discount. Otherwise I wont take it.
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 19 138 players but only 82 addons, that's pretty nice. yet frankly I don't
think you are going to see a 1000-player field with 500 of them quitting
before addon that often, although we all love that. nevertheless, I got your
point of dead money due to players' quitting before addon.
$
have
I
half
between
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Cake rarely has overlay -- life is not that sweet. :-)
: But I do think last minute buyin is always +EV. This is true even for
: regular MTTs. Lets see an example. Say a regular MTT has 1000 players with $
: 10k prize pool and 5000 starting chips. After 1 hour, 500 busted. So we have
: 500 players left and 10000 average chips. Lets simplify the case and say
: that a player with the average stack size has 10k / 500 = $20 equity.Then I
: joined at the last minute. I paid $10+fee and got 5000 chips, which is half
: the average stack size. According to the ICM model, the chips in a short
: stack are worth more. So my equity is definitely higher than $20/2 --
: depending on the stack size distribution in most cases my equity is between
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 20 good point.
$
have
I
half
between
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: Cake rarely has overlay -- life is not that sweet. :-)
: But I do think last minute buyin is always +EV. This is true even for
: regular MTTs. Lets see an example. Say a regular MTT has 1000 players with $
: 10k prize pool and 5000 starting chips. After 1 hour, 500 busted. So we have
: 500 players left and 10000 average chips. Lets simplify the case and say
: that a player with the average stack size has 10k / 500 = $20 equity.Then I
: joined at the last minute. I paid $10+fee and got 5000 chips, which is half
: the average stack size. According to the ICM model, the chips in a short
: stack are worth more. So my equity is definitely higher than $20/2 --
: depending on the stack size distribution in most cases my equity is between
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 21 Often times we are just not as good as we think we are. You can find people
saying these words all the time -- I need to build a big stack so that I can
use my technique to run over the whole table. However, is our technique
really so good that it is worth more than the 20% guaranteed ROI we can get
by playing short?
Also, all cash players know how annoying a short-stack can be. When a decent
short stack sits on your left, you can no longer raise light or 3-bet light
because he will jump on top brainlessly. So you have no choice but to sit
tight. This is why most cash tables requires a min 40BB buyin. In tourneys,
you do have the option to buy in short and become a 15BB jerk. I always take
that option. lol.
To me, the only argument against playing short is that you are becoming a
grinder and losing the chance to improve. I dont see much fun playing holdem
anyway -- these days it becomes nothing more than a boring, donky metagame.
I'd rather play Omaha/Stud/Draw poker when I want to play real poker and
improve.
increase
like
when
shove
【在 p**********1 的大作中提到】
: well，I guess the assumption here is that your edge over the field increase
: when your stack size increase, because you got more weapons like 3betting
: light in position, and unlike short stack, you can now play more hands like
: small pair suited connectors etc to stack off some donks(sitting on a huge
: stack), who never fold over pair or TPTK.
: but I totally agree with you that small stack is very easy to play and when
: we choose our opponents wisely, it's very profitable to shove or 3bet shove
: or squeeze etc.
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 22 70% ROI. Good job. 1300 MTT. That's lots of hours...
Is hourly rate > $10/h or not?
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 大约打了1300个MTT吧。平均BUYIN $10。ROI大约70%。
: sharkscope就可以看到所有MTT的数据。不过所有的track网站都没法准确跟踪你在
: REBUY/ADDON比赛中的buyin。他只能按平均buyin来算。而我是主打rebuy/addon的比赛
: ，又总是在rebuy结束时进去再加一个addon。所以网站就总高估我的buyin。
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 23 关键是 cash out 的质量怎么样。据说 cake cash out 的时间长达几个月。
我今天 lock 打得比去年少的多，就因为 cash out 太差了，经常等几个月都不动。今
年 1 月 cash 的，到现在都没有拿到。太打击积极性了。 |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 En, merge 也很慢。 还是等legal 网站上线了后放心大胆的打吧。
【在 T*********k 的大作中提到】
: 关键是 cash out 的质量怎么样。据说 cake cash out 的时间长达几个月。
: 我今天 lock 打得比去年少的多，就因为 cash out 太差了，经常等几个月都不动。今
: 年 1 月 cash 的，到现在都没有拿到。太打击积极性了。
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 25 一般一天打4到6个比赛.
Cashout的质量不咋样。还好只是打发时间。不靠这个为生。 |
