c******q
发帖数: 456 | 1 1/2 live game
Preflop: BTN raised to $12 with two red As. 6 callers
Flop: 8d7d6c. BTN c-bet $37, MP1 shoved with $139 on top, MP2 called with
her $55 remaining stack. Folded to BTN, what to do?
MP1 is an old man, never went out of line before, but certainly capable to
push with a draw here. MP2 is an old lady, typical weak/tight player. | j*******g
发帖数: 331 | 2 dangerous flop, the hand can put call in here:K high flush draw, connecter (
89), a set, I think you should call if you don't have many left, if I were
you , I will call if I have something under 50 behind me. fold if you have
too many to commit. It is very unlikely both of them on the same flush draw.
But things against odds happens, I once I know a old donkey have pocket A,
I call his raise from UTG and flopped 2 pair, I successfully bet/ check/
raise and put him all in on the river for about 200 dollar, the river comes
another 7 that pairs a 7 in the flop. I lose all my stack. | j*******g
发帖数: 331 | 3 I went through a lot of shitty hands like this and all end up losing big
stack. I am thinking maybe there is something wrong with my strategy. Those
shitty hands are the primary reason why I cannot profit on the poker table.
I am thinking this is like a twisted martingale. All the efforts I put into
to build a big stack, lose to some donkey with good luck in one hand. This
is the time I hate poker the most when I look at those proud face of those
donkeys....
My thought kinda went out of line, sorry....
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draw.
,
comes
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: dangerous flop, the hand can put call in here:K high flush draw, connecter (
: 89), a set, I think you should call if you don't have many left, if I were
: you , I will call if I have something under 50 behind me. fold if you have
: too many to commit. It is very unlikely both of them on the same flush draw.
: But things against odds happens, I once I know a old donkey have pocket A,
: I call his raise from UTG and flopped 2 pair, I successfully bet/ check/
: raise and put him all in on the river for about 200 dollar, the river comes
: another 7 that pairs a 7 in the flop. I lose all my stack.
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 4 饼干兄在live摸爬滚打那么多年，想必read的能力已经成仙了。所以，这里应该几乎是
再送18刀给老奶奶，期盼多下来的84刀可以double up收回成本。
但是，你也说，老爷爷从来没有went out of line，也就是说，很大可能性他这里是
combo draw+，那样的话，你的equity of the $84就只剩50%-了。
如果是跟老爷爷HU，我会call。
但是这里因为dead money基本上都属于老奶奶的了，我会fold。 | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 5 我会fold。
他这是个check/allin，所以也有相当成牌可能。但至少是个draw。 | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 6
Those
.
into
哥觉得
proud of sucking out ~~ looks stupid
proud of bluffing ~~ looks stupid
proud of hero call ~~ looks stupid
proud of session winnings ~~ still looks stupid
proud of long term winning ~~ well, nothing really to be proud of
反过来，被suckout、被bluff、被抓bluff、连着session输钱、整个poker career输钱
，也不是什么丢脸的事情，玩家还在意这些个事，只能说明，撇开技术，玩家的心理上
，还没有真正的ready来玩winning poker。
holdem有5张公牌，不发到最后一张，绝大多数牌局都会有变数。无论输赢，重视自己
的决策思考过程，放弃对牌力的bias（AK对上27都要3把输一把），淡然面对结果，是
想要长期盈利玩家的必经之路。
可是，对于绝大多数的玩家来说，poker的乐趣就是来自于suckout、bluff、bluff
catching、还有偶尔的赢几个session。哥喜欢玩live poker的原因，已经逐渐的从
money的因素，转移到table的万象，有时候看着几个成年人，在桌上象小孩似的打架，
情绪起起伏伏，真的是很欢乐。
所以，哥说，大家时不时得要问问自己，打牌为的是什么？如果真的是为了赚钱，就应
该把精力放到研究这个game的本质以及如何improve自己的play，并且做好苦逼研磨的
心理准备，更加重要的是要做到内心无比强大。如果只是为了娱乐消遣，控制好
bankroll的前提下，想怎么玩就怎么玩！
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: I went through a lot of shitty hands like this and all end up losing big
: stack. I am thinking maybe there is something wrong with my strategy. Those
: shitty hands are the primary reason why I cannot profit on the poker table.
: I am thinking this is like a twisted martingale. All the efforts I put into
: to build a big stack, lose to some donkey with good luck in one hand. This
: is the time I hate poker the most when I look at those proud face of those
: donkeys....
: My thought kinda went out of line, sorry....
:
: (
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 7 6 callers and only bet 12 pre-flop on the button?-- there are minimum 4
limpers before your act. Fortunately there is no other deep stack here. Have
to call here but pre-flop raise is too small.
【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 live game
: Preflop: BTN raised to $12 with two red As. 6 callers
: Flop: 8d7d6c. BTN c-bet $37, MP1 shoved with $139 on top, MP2 called with
: her $55 remaining stack. Folded to BTN, what to do?
: MP1 is an old man, never went out of line before, but certainly capable to
: push with a draw here. MP2 is an old lady, typical weak/tight player.
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 8 Let me guess.
MP1 has straight, MP2 flush draw, Cookieqq won with a boat...
【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: 1/2 live game
: Preflop: BTN raised to $12 with two red As. 6 callers
: Flop: 8d7d6c. BTN c-bet $37, MP1 shoved with $139 on top, MP2 called with
: her $55 remaining stack. Folded to BTN, what to do?
: MP1 is an old man, never went out of line before, but certainly capable to
: push with a draw here. MP2 is an old lady, typical weak/tight player.
| c******q
发帖数: 456 | 9 Haha, where does the boat come from? | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 哥猜是back door nut flush~
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【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: Let me guess.
: MP1 has straight, MP2 flush draw, Cookieqq won with a boat...
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 超级赞啊， 我这个板斧算是选对了。 吗那么多字。 mark， mark！
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: Those
: .
: into
: 哥觉得
: proud of sucking out ~~ looks stupid
: proud of bluffing ~~ looks stupid
: proud of hero call ~~ looks stupid
: proud of session winnings ~~ still looks stupid
: proud of long term winning ~~ well, nothing really to be proud of
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 Don't hate the donkey. Love them and embrace them. They are the reason why
poker is profitable at all. At the same same, exam your own game all the
time. maybe it is some other leak that you have overlooked.
平常心， 打牌保持一颗平常心最重要。
Those
.
into
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 j*******g 的大作中提到】
: I went through a lot of shitty hands like this and all end up losing big
: stack. I am thinking maybe there is something wrong with my strategy. Those
: shitty hands are the primary reason why I cannot profit on the poker table.
: I am thinking this is like a twisted martingale. All the efforts I put into
: to build a big stack, lose to some donkey with good luck in one hand. This
: is the time I hate poker the most when I look at those proud face of those
: donkeys....
: My thought kinda went out of line, sorry....
:
: (
| H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 13 不是有pair在手么；）））
只是感觉这把牌有可能会非常有趣
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 H****r 的大作中提到】
: Let me guess.
: MP1 has straight, MP2 flush draw, Cookieqq won with a boat...
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 14 Easy fold.
AA 对 6 家来说, Pre 12 实在是少。至少 20-25。
对紧的老头，check raise 你 allin， 即使他有个 draw，也是一个很好的 draw，你
最多就是 even money。而且后几条街你几乎不能 improve。
会不会 fold 错，当然可能。但我觉得 live NL 很多时候应该避免这种 marginal
situation，There always better spot to put your whole stack in. |
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