s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 1 400NL 6max
SB: ~$400, a decent player
BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
Preflop
UTG: Hero opens to $12
SB call
BB call
Flop
8h6h2c
SB check
BB check
Hero bet $22
SB fold
BB raise to $80
Hero call
Turn Js
BB bet $150
Hero call
River Qs
BB all in ~$200
Hero call
1. Would you consider folding this hand? If so, when?
2. What if it is against a passive player?
3. What if the flop is rainbow?
4. What if turn or river A? | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 1) snap call
2) tank call
Either is fine....
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 3 assume your image is LAG:
1. Would you consider folding this hand?---Never, especially against
aggressive online player :) Of course he could have winning hand, but in
long run, here is snap call.
2. What if it is against a passive player?---Passive player would check
though. But if passive player led out, either it is a monster or air. So
call
3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way
4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines?
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| c*********6
发帖数: 103 | 4 snap call.
这种turn，river连续出现over card之后，对手还继续bet，要么是air，要么flop set.
不过flop set的话应该会check turn，then bet river，才是最大化EV的打法。
所以应该还是air，或者他有flush draw，但也miss了。 | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 5 "3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way"
Even though I called all the way, I was very hesitant. A big reason that I
called was that he may be in a missed flush draw.
"4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines?"
He could be on a A high flush draw or hit two pairs with A.
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: assume your image is LAG:
: 1. Would you consider folding this hand?---Never, especially against
: aggressive online player :) Of course he could have winning hand, but in
: long run, here is snap call.
: 2. What if it is against a passive player?---Passive player would check
: though. But if passive player led out, either it is a monster or air. So
: call
: 3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way
: 4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines?
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 6 Here is how I was thinking during the hand.
Flop:
My cbet was a little small in purpose with the intention to induce a raise.
However, when I do get the raise, I actually feel nervous. The raise size
is bigger than I had expected. If I missed, he doesn't need to raise that
big to push me off. But, if I do call, I must have a good hand considering
that I open from UTG and bet into three way pot. He is a good player. It
doesn't make sense to me why he risks more than he needs to unless he
already had a monster.
Turn:
He bets big again, and seems to be pot committed. I don't think he would do
that with TT or less. Since he didn't raise preflop, I don't think he has
QQ+. Unless he is drawing, he must have made his set on flop or JJ on turn.
I was very concerned and tanked for a while, but still decide that I can't
fold KK here. There is a possibility that he has combo draw or nut flush
draw etc., though I don't feel that his bet size makes sense for a draw. If
he is semi bluffing with a draw, I would expect him to bet a little smaller
so that he can fire again on river instead of getting committed on turn.
River:
Since I decided to call him on turn, I have to call this blank river.
He shows bottom set.
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 Now the results are out. Obviously fold...
.
size
considering
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: Here is how I was thinking during the hand.
: Flop:
: My cbet was a little small in purpose with the intention to induce a raise.
: However, when I do get the raise, I actually feel nervous. The raise size
: is bigger than I had expected. If I missed, he doesn't need to raise that
: big to push me off. But, if I do call, I must have a good hand considering
: that I open from UTG and bet into three way pot. He is a good player. It
: doesn't make sense to me why he risks more than he needs to unless he
: already had a monster.
: Turn:
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 8 再问一个问题, 100BB stack, 如果没有flush或者straight的牌面,你们有可能fold
over pairs QQ, KK, and AA 么?
我最近输了好几个AA,KK的大pot给sets, trips, and two pairs, 其实好几次我当时都
觉得输了但还是没有fold,就是一直有这个概念不应该fold over pair with 100BB
stack.
那么如果100BB stack不会fold, 多deep你们有可能fold呢? 150BB? 200BB? | t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 9 我觉得set是最难防的，2pair/trip很多时候从sizing/history上能看出来个大概，
river能fold掉。100bb我如果觉得对手没有2pair我是不会fold的，虽然昨天刚被set搞
得很惨 | p****0
发帖数: 611 | 10 3. so if rainbow flop, when facing check-raise from aggressive player, you
will fold?
4. For one pair, Ace kicker, I would say it's a very creative lines to check
-raise on the flop, big size bet on turn to commit the stack.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 再问一个问题, 100BB stack, 如果没有flush或者straight的牌面,你们有可能fold
: over pairs QQ, KK, and AA 么?
: 我最近输了好几个AA,KK的大pot给sets, trips, and two pairs, 其实好几次我当时都
: 觉得输了但还是没有fold,就是一直有这个概念不应该fold over pair with 100BB
: stack.
: 那么如果100BB stack不会fold, 多deep你们有可能fold呢? 150BB? 200BB?
| | | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 11 是啊,所以我也觉得是没法fold掉KK. 但是,如果碰到set就必须pay him off么? 我就是
这一点想不明白.
check
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 3. so if rainbow flop, when facing check-raise from aggressive player, you
: will fold?
: 4. For one pair, Ace kicker, I would say it's a very creative lines to check
: -raise on the flop, big size bet on turn to commit the stack.
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 12 If villain face up with a set, of cause snap fold.
But you were not sure when you made the call, right? And how many times you
were holding over pair facing a check raise with a set? The chance is very
low, right? So in long run, it's a call.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 是啊,所以我也觉得是没法fold掉KK. 但是,如果碰到set就必须pay him off么? 我就是
: 这一点想不明白.
:
:
: check
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 13 那就是说,如果碰到set就认了?
you
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: If villain face up with a set, of cause snap fold.
: But you were not sure when you made the call, right? And how many times you
: were holding over pair facing a check raise with a set? The chance is very
: low, right? So in long run, it's a call.
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
| q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 14 100bb情况下，如果是3bet pot,碰到这种flop,不管是min raise还是raise很大，100%
不可能放的。如果是single raise pot, 除非你知道对手是nit, 否则也放不掉。
就这首牌来说，如果你觉得他可能是draw或者比你小的overpair,要么1. flop call
his raise, turn shove ALL-IN. 要么2. flop 3bet and call shove. 这时候慢打会
碰到action-kill card,损失很多value。当然他turn size的确很大，此时需要精确的
read。
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 再问一个问题, 100BB stack, 如果没有flush或者straight的牌面,你们有可能fold
: over pairs QQ, KK, and AA 么?
: 我最近输了好几个AA,KK的大pot给sets, trips, and two pairs, 其实好几次我当时都
: 觉得输了但还是没有fold,就是一直有这个概念不应该fold over pair with 100BB
: stack.
: 那么如果100BB stack不会fold, 多deep你们有可能fold呢? 150BB? 200BB?
| x*******0
发帖数: 94 | 15 考虑到BB是一个aggressive选手，那么在flop 他可能有什么呢？
1.set
2，draw
3 air
楼主最后pay off，首先楼主有很强的牌，（我觉得楼主不怕2对，怕的是set。事实上
set确实不好辨认，大部分只能靠对手image和临场感觉。）第2是对手image给了楼主希
望，觉得对方可能在draw上。
set几乎无法防守，楼主call flop的raise基本上已经启动all in模式，除非红心来了
，A来了也不一定能fold。唯一有可能让楼主少输点钱的方法就是 flop 3bet回去看他
是什么反映。如果他snap all in，那么我觉得这个时候你会有机会fold 不然就是全进
一样的结果。
对付LAG，我觉得有一个很好的办法就是逐条街和他战斗，不要让他轻易过。当你show
your strength的时候 LAG会 rethink你的牌力。我想如果你在flop 3bet他回去，他可
能会觉得他的nut flush draw不一定good，可能会fold或者就call你，如果他all in，
那么大部分情况就是set，我想我应该能fold掉。
个人拙见 | R******d
发帖数: 976 | 16 fold on the turn
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 17 我觉得他既然check raise,那如果是draw,肯定是强draw,假如我reraise,他是会all in
的.
【在 x*******0 的大作中提到】
: 考虑到BB是一个aggressive选手，那么在flop 他可能有什么呢？
: 1.set
: 2，draw
: 3 air
: 楼主最后pay off，首先楼主有很强的牌，（我觉得楼主不怕2对，怕的是set。事实上
: set确实不好辨认，大部分只能靠对手image和临场感觉。）第2是对手image给了楼主希
: 望，觉得对方可能在draw上。
: set几乎无法防守，楼主call flop的raise基本上已经启动all in模式，除非红心来了
: ，A来了也不一定能fold。唯一有可能让楼主少输点钱的方法就是 flop 3bet回去看他
: 是什么反映。如果他snap all in，那么我觉得这个时候你会有机会fold 不然就是全进
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 18 why?
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】
: fold on the turn
| R******d
发帖数: 976 | 19 simply put:
V could have 22/66/88/68s or air. If you would call 150 turn bet, you
already invest 242 into this pot which makes river fold nearly impossible.
Are you gonna call a river shove with only 1 pair? Without specific read
from V, I wont.
Your thinking on flop and turn were perfectly good but didn't act
accordingly. I have that the problem called wishful thinking.
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: why?
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 20 如果你call他的check-raise,基本上就是了。其实在flop 上，你有没有想如果你face
check raise 怎么办？ then turn 怎么办？then river 怎么办？
既然对手是good aggressive player, 这牌flop bet/fold 最好。试想，good player
会让你很舒服的看下面几条街吗？ 再加上stack size, 基本就commit了？ 你在flop
做好all in 的准备了吗？ 如果没有，那就fold 最好。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 那就是说,如果碰到set就认了?
:
: you
| | | b*****t
发帖数: 52 | 21 If his river bet is big I consider call,
If his river bet is all in 200, this shows he knew the betting size can't
push out no one yet still bet it all, so I would fold the river bet
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| I*****N
发帖数: 497 | 22 Flop check back. Then on the turn you would know for sure he had draw or set
depending on the size of his bet.
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 23 imo，3 handed,hero形象狂野，再加上对手aggressive，从统计上来讲100bb可以
commit overpair了。这里如果是我的话，我得问自己这个aggressive的对手，到底有
多aggressive了，从牌面/牌局上看的话，一般的abc的打法，这里我会在turn上跪（虽
然很不情愿）。所以，碰到这种情况，如果没有hud，我想我大概去poker rating网站
查下对手id吧，如果是大赢家或者大输家的话，call了turn我就会call river，一般玩
家，我就turn上跪了吧多半。 | I*****N
发帖数: 497 | 24 Why did nobody consider flop check back?
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: imo，3 handed,hero形象狂野，再加上对手aggressive，从统计上来讲100bb可以
: commit overpair了。这里如果是我的话，我得问自己这个aggressive的对手，到底有
: 多aggressive了，从牌面/牌局上看的话，一般的abc的打法，这里我会在turn上跪（虽
: 然很不情愿）。所以，碰到这种情况，如果没有hud，我想我大概去poker rating网站
: 查下对手id吧，如果是大赢家或者大输家的话，call了turn我就会call river，一般玩
: 家，我就turn上跪了吧多半。
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 25 400NL 6max
SB: ~$400, a decent player
BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
Preflop
UTG: Hero opens to $12
SB call
BB call
Flop
8h6h2c
SB check
BB check
Hero bet $22
SB fold
BB raise to $80
Hero call
Turn Js
BB bet $150
Hero call
River Qs
BB all in ~$200
Hero call
1. Would you consider folding this hand? If so, when?
2. What if it is against a passive player?
3. What if the flop is rainbow?
4. What if turn or river A? | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 1) snap call
2) tank call
Either is fine....
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 27 assume your image is LAG:
1. Would you consider folding this hand?---Never, especially against
aggressive online player :) Of course he could have winning hand, but in
long run, here is snap call.
2. What if it is against a passive player?---Passive player would check
though. But if passive player led out, either it is a monster or air. So
call
3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way
4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines?
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| c*********6
发帖数: 103 | 28 snap call.
这种turn，river连续出现over card之后，对手还继续bet，要么是air，要么flop set.
不过flop set的话应该会check turn，then bet river，才是最大化EV的打法。
所以应该还是air，或者他有flush draw，但也miss了。 | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 29 "3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way"
Even though I called all the way, I was very hesitant. A big reason that I
called was that he may be in a missed flush draw.
"4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines?"
He could be on a A high flush draw or hit two pairs with A.
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: assume your image is LAG:
: 1. Would you consider folding this hand?---Never, especially against
: aggressive online player :) Of course he could have winning hand, but in
: long run, here is snap call.
: 2. What if it is against a passive player?---Passive player would check
: though. But if passive player led out, either it is a monster or air. So
: call
: 3. What if the flop is rainbow?--- folding KK, no way
: 4. What if turn or river A?--- do you think A high can take those lines?
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 30 Here is how I was thinking during the hand.
Flop:
My cbet was a little small in purpose with the intention to induce a raise.
However, when I do get the raise, I actually feel nervous. The raise size
is bigger than I had expected. If I missed, he doesn't need to raise that
big to push me off. But, if I do call, I must have a good hand considering
that I open from UTG and bet into three way pot. He is a good player. It
doesn't make sense to me why he risks more than he needs to unless he
already had a monster.
Turn:
He bets big again, and seems to be pot committed. I don't think he would do
that with TT or less. Since he didn't raise preflop, I don't think he has
QQ+. Unless he is drawing, he must have made his set on flop or JJ on turn.
I was very concerned and tanked for a while, but still decide that I can't
fold KK here. There is a possibility that he has combo draw or nut flush
draw etc., though I don't feel that his bet size makes sense for a draw. If
he is semi bluffing with a draw, I would expect him to bet a little smaller
so that he can fire again on river instead of getting committed on turn.
River:
Since I decided to call him on turn, I have to call this blank river.
He shows bottom set.
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 Now the results are out. Obviously fold...
.
size
considering
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: Here is how I was thinking during the hand.
: Flop:
: My cbet was a little small in purpose with the intention to induce a raise.
: However, when I do get the raise, I actually feel nervous. The raise size
: is bigger than I had expected. If I missed, he doesn't need to raise that
: big to push me off. But, if I do call, I must have a good hand considering
: that I open from UTG and bet into three way pot. He is a good player. It
: doesn't make sense to me why he risks more than he needs to unless he
: already had a monster.
: Turn:
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 32 再问一个问题, 100BB stack, 如果没有flush或者straight的牌面,你们有可能fold
over pairs QQ, KK, and AA 么?
我最近输了好几个AA,KK的大pot给sets, trips, and two pairs, 其实好几次我当时都
觉得输了但还是没有fold,就是一直有这个概念不应该fold over pair with 100BB
stack.
那么如果100BB stack不会fold, 多deep你们有可能fold呢? 150BB? 200BB? | t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 33 我觉得set是最难防的，2pair/trip很多时候从sizing/history上能看出来个大概，
river能fold掉。100bb我如果觉得对手没有2pair我是不会fold的，虽然昨天刚被set搞
得很惨 | p****0
发帖数: 611 | 34 3. so if rainbow flop, when facing check-raise from aggressive player, you
will fold?
4. For one pair, Ace kicker, I would say it's a very creative lines to check
-raise on the flop, big size bet on turn to commit the stack.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 再问一个问题, 100BB stack, 如果没有flush或者straight的牌面,你们有可能fold
: over pairs QQ, KK, and AA 么?
: 我最近输了好几个AA,KK的大pot给sets, trips, and two pairs, 其实好几次我当时都
: 觉得输了但还是没有fold,就是一直有这个概念不应该fold over pair with 100BB
: stack.
: 那么如果100BB stack不会fold, 多deep你们有可能fold呢? 150BB? 200BB?
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 35 是啊,所以我也觉得是没法fold掉KK. 但是,如果碰到set就必须pay him off么? 我就是
这一点想不明白.
check
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: 3. so if rainbow flop, when facing check-raise from aggressive player, you
: will fold?
: 4. For one pair, Ace kicker, I would say it's a very creative lines to check
: -raise on the flop, big size bet on turn to commit the stack.
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 36 If villain face up with a set, of cause snap fold.
But you were not sure when you made the call, right? And how many times you
were holding over pair facing a check raise with a set? The chance is very
low, right? So in long run, it's a call.
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 是啊,所以我也觉得是没法fold掉KK. 但是,如果碰到set就必须pay him off么? 我就是
: 这一点想不明白.
:
:
: check
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 37 那就是说,如果碰到set就认了?
you
【在 p****0 的大作中提到】
: If villain face up with a set, of cause snap fold.
: But you were not sure when you made the call, right? And how many times you
: were holding over pair facing a check raise with a set? The chance is very
: low, right? So in long run, it's a call.
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
| q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 38 100bb情况下，如果是3bet pot,碰到这种flop,不管是min raise还是raise很大，100%
不可能放的。如果是single raise pot, 除非你知道对手是nit, 否则也放不掉。
就这首牌来说，如果你觉得他可能是draw或者比你小的overpair,要么1. flop call
his raise, turn shove ALL-IN. 要么2. flop 3bet and call shove. 这时候慢打会
碰到action-kill card,损失很多value。当然他turn size的确很大，此时需要精确的
read。
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 再问一个问题, 100BB stack, 如果没有flush或者straight的牌面,你们有可能fold
: over pairs QQ, KK, and AA 么?
: 我最近输了好几个AA,KK的大pot给sets, trips, and two pairs, 其实好几次我当时都
: 觉得输了但还是没有fold,就是一直有这个概念不应该fold over pair with 100BB
: stack.
: 那么如果100BB stack不会fold, 多deep你们有可能fold呢? 150BB? 200BB?
| x*******0
发帖数: 94 | 39 考虑到BB是一个aggressive选手，那么在flop 他可能有什么呢？
1.set
2，draw
3 air
楼主最后pay off，首先楼主有很强的牌，（我觉得楼主不怕2对，怕的是set。事实上
set确实不好辨认，大部分只能靠对手image和临场感觉。）第2是对手image给了楼主希
望，觉得对方可能在draw上。
set几乎无法防守，楼主call flop的raise基本上已经启动all in模式，除非红心来了
，A来了也不一定能fold。唯一有可能让楼主少输点钱的方法就是 flop 3bet回去看他
是什么反映。如果他snap all in，那么我觉得这个时候你会有机会fold 不然就是全进
一样的结果。
对付LAG，我觉得有一个很好的办法就是逐条街和他战斗，不要让他轻易过。当你show
your strength的时候 LAG会 rethink你的牌力。我想如果你在flop 3bet他回去，他可
能会觉得他的nut flush draw不一定good，可能会fold或者就call你，如果他all in，
那么大部分情况就是set，我想我应该能fold掉。
个人拙见 | R******d
发帖数: 976 | 40 fold on the turn
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| | | s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 41 我觉得他既然check raise,那如果是draw,肯定是强draw,假如我reraise,他是会all in
的.
【在 x*******0 的大作中提到】
: 考虑到BB是一个aggressive选手，那么在flop 他可能有什么呢？
: 1.set
: 2，draw
: 3 air
: 楼主最后pay off，首先楼主有很强的牌，（我觉得楼主不怕2对，怕的是set。事实上
: set确实不好辨认，大部分只能靠对手image和临场感觉。）第2是对手image给了楼主希
: 望，觉得对方可能在draw上。
: set几乎无法防守，楼主call flop的raise基本上已经启动all in模式，除非红心来了
: ，A来了也不一定能fold。唯一有可能让楼主少输点钱的方法就是 flop 3bet回去看他
: 是什么反映。如果他snap all in，那么我觉得这个时候你会有机会fold 不然就是全进
| s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 42 why?
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】
: fold on the turn
| R******d
发帖数: 976 | 43 simply put:
V could have 22/66/88/68s or air. If you would call 150 turn bet, you
already invest 242 into this pot which makes river fold nearly impossible.
Are you gonna call a river shove with only 1 pair? Without specific read
from V, I wont.
Your thinking on flop and turn were perfectly good but didn't act
accordingly. I have that the problem called wishful thinking.
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: why?
| p****0
发帖数: 611 | 44 如果你call他的check-raise,基本上就是了。其实在flop 上，你有没有想如果你face
check raise 怎么办？ then turn 怎么办？then river 怎么办？
既然对手是good aggressive player, 这牌flop bet/fold 最好。试想，good player
会让你很舒服的看下面几条街吗？ 再加上stack size, 基本就commit了？ 你在flop
做好all in 的准备了吗？ 如果没有，那就fold 最好。
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【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 那就是说,如果碰到set就认了?
:
: you
| b*****t
发帖数: 52 | 45 If his river bet is big I consider call,
If his river bet is all in 200, this shows he knew the betting size can't
push out no one yet still bet it all, so I would fold the river bet
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| I*****N
发帖数: 497 | 46 Flop check back. Then on the turn you would know for sure he had draw or set
depending on the size of his bet.
【在 s*****s 的大作中提到】
: 400NL 6max
: SB: ~$400, a decent player
: BB: ~$450 an aggressive player
: UTG: Hero ~$600, KsKc
: Preflop
: UTG: Hero opens to $12
: SB call
: BB call
: Flop
: 8h6h2c
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 47 imo，3 handed,hero形象狂野，再加上对手aggressive，从统计上来讲100bb可以
commit overpair了。这里如果是我的话，我得问自己这个aggressive的对手，到底有
多aggressive了，从牌面/牌局上看的话，一般的abc的打法，这里我会在turn上跪（虽
然很不情愿）。所以，碰到这种情况，如果没有hud，我想我大概去poker rating网站
查下对手id吧，如果是大赢家或者大输家的话，call了turn我就会call river，一般玩
家，我就turn上跪了吧多半。 | I*****N
发帖数: 497 | 48 Why did nobody consider flop check back?
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: imo，3 handed,hero形象狂野，再加上对手aggressive，从统计上来讲100bb可以
: commit overpair了。这里如果是我的话，我得问自己这个aggressive的对手，到底有
: 多aggressive了，从牌面/牌局上看的话，一般的abc的打法，这里我会在turn上跪（虽
: 然很不情愿）。所以，碰到这种情况，如果没有hud，我想我大概去poker rating网站
: 查下对手id吧，如果是大赢家或者大输家的话，call了turn我就会call river，一般玩
: 家，我就turn上跪了吧多半。
| w**********y
发帖数: 1691 | 49 个人觉得flop 应该3 bet 既然你turn 愿意pay 150 那么有position 的情况下应该主
动bet
turn 他继续bet 就可以跪了
flop check back 也太results driven 了吧？over pair 给别人一张free card for
flush draw? |
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