j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 1 嘉言慧语---论圣经
来源：摘自博客 作者：欧阳
圣经是本古老而神圣的书，且看古今中外仁人智士如何评说...
国父孙中山先生：《圣经》告诉我们, 你们的光要照亮于别人, 使大家都知道应走
的道路, 你们要把你们所受的传授别人, 这样, 你们的光就能普照人间。
林肯：没有《圣经》，我们就不能明辨是非。
美国国父华盛顿：民权的保障，乃在善良的政府，而善良的政府，必须建基于圣经
上。
文学家列夫.托尔斯泰：没有《圣经》就不可能教育孩童。
布道家慕迪：《圣经》不仅仅增进我们的知识，最重要的是改变我们的生活。
英国大科学家牛顿：我们应把上帝的话——圣经，视为至高无上的哲学，据我研究
的结果，圣经记载之信而有证，实远非世俗的历史所能比拟 。
英国大哲学家培根(Lord Francis Bacon,)：从世界历史来看，任何宗教，任何法
治，都不能和基督圣道，相提并论，等量齐观。因为只有圣经，才能使国家社会蒙受最
大的福祉。
历史学家H.G.威尔斯：如果没有《圣经》，我们的文明不可能产生，也不可能维系
下去 。
医学家C.W.麦瑶：无论境遇如何——或患病，或健康——世人总能从《圣经》中得
到安慰和有益的劝告
教育家T.德韦特：在这个狭隘的世界里，《圣经》就像一扇窗，透过它，人们可以
看见永恒。
苏格兰地质学家赫富密勒(Hugh Miller)：人类如果离开了圣经，必然变成最凄惨
的动物。
美国大发明家爱迪生(Thomas ALva Edison)：圣经的宝训，乃是人类行为最崇高伟
大的规范，亦为指示人生的道路，不可须臾或离的指南。
美国法学家琼斯爵士(Sir William Jones) ：圣经一书乃是上帝的启示，所以比世
间一切书籍更为崇高典雅，其中有更圣洁的道德教训，新旧两约，如出一辙，几千年前
预言，以后一一应验，这便是我们信心的可靠根据 。
美国第六任总统亚当斯：《圣经》是知识与德行的无价宝藏，取之不尽，用之不竭。
美国国父华盛顿：欲谋国家之长治，世界之久安，舍上帝与圣经外，将无由实现 。
英国作家瓦尔特.司各脱：只有一本书，可以称得上是独一无二的书，那就是《圣
经》。
杰坲逊总统：勤读《圣经》, 能使人成为良好的公民, 贤明的父亲和模范丈夫。
英国史学家G.M.特里维廉：在我们的传统之中，《圣经》是书中之书，没有其它任
何文学和宗教运动如此深远的影响了讲英语的人的性格、智力和想象力。
马丁路德：《圣经》既不是古典文学，也非当代著作，它是永存的。
司布真：当第一百次读《圣经》时，我发现比我第一次读的时候，感受到更无限的
美。
英国经验哲学泰斗陆克(John Locke )：圣经一书，其广博深精，完善全备，实在
无与伦比，殊足惊奇，因为我们从圣经中，可以得到至深至奥的知识，可以了悟至尊至
宝的真理，可以领受至美至善的教训，这种教训，非同寻常道德的教条，而有无数圣徒
的行为，作了有力的见证。
美国纽约协和大学校长诺德博士(Eliphalet Nott)： 照我的意见，圣经应当作为
各学校、各学院和各大学的教科书，因为圣经一书，不仅在文学上，无与伦比，在道德
上，有最圣善的金科玉律，而在政治经济上，也有最健全的原理原则。对于人类的本性
，尤有最精确的描写透视，人类如没有圣经，便没有教化……。
威尔逊总统：《圣经》是世上最奇妙的书, 有的经文即使你读过几十遍, 一旦重读
, 都会有新的感受. 如果一个人想寻求指引, 捨圣经而外, 别无他途。
德国文学家哥德(Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe) ： “我一切深刻的思想，乃是从
我对圣经的信仰而来，我的道德生活和文学著作，都是从圣经得到指示，圣经乃是我一
生最可靠雄厚的资本，真是取之无尽用之不竭的宝库。”“我深信福音，乃是绝对的，
千真万确的记载，因为主耶稣基督的人格，崇高伟大的光辉，都从福音里放射出来，这
种光辉是神圣的，只有从真神上帝才能表现出来。”
美国伯朗大学校长，魏兰德博士(Francis Wayland)：圣经里面的真理，对于无论
任何性格的人，无论其有多高深的学问，抑或没有学问，无论他是文明人，抑或野蛮人
，都有一种感化人心的力量，它能使恶人改过迁善，它能使人明辨是非，离恶行善，它
能使家庭、社会的生活关系，致于美善，它能使人互相亲爱，视人都如天父的儿女，它
能陶冶人心，使人追求圣洁，灵性进步，日致于至圣至善的境界。
美国著名医学家勒虚博士(Benjamkin Rush )：圣经里面所含对人生现世所需的知
识，不仅可以历久不忘，而且可以一生受用不尽。
法国自由思想家卢梭(Jean Jacques Rousseau )：圣经的庄严，令人崇敬，福音之
纯洁，使余心折，读了圣经，则一切哲学的著作，便成为卑无高论，不堪比拟。圣经深
入显出，因浅明的笔法，传至高的真理，其文章之精纯隽永，其训诲之令人诚服，其格
言之发人深思，其论辩之富有机智，其导向之微妙得体，决非凡人之手笔所能臻此。 | j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | | z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 3 什么叫龌龊？什么叫下流？
基督徒们总是把基督教的“上帝”宣扬成为一个充满慈爱的严父。然而，按照“圣经”
的描写，其实不是这样的。我们来看一看“圣经”白纸黑字描述的基督教的“上帝”耶
和华/耶稣干的一些事情：
（1。我引用的“圣经”的章节我都列得清清楚楚，欢迎大家查证！）
（2。很多基督徒都是不认真读“圣经”的。所以很多基督徒都没有读过这些“圣经”
经文。）
撒母耳记下
12:11 耶和华如此说、我必从你家中兴起祸患攻击你．我必在你眼前、把你的妃嫔赐给
别人、他在日光之下就与他们同寝。
嘁哩喀喳评论：耶和华/耶稣让人在光天化日之下奸污妇女，龌龊不龌龊？下流不下流？
撒母耳记上
5:9运到之后、耶和华的手攻击那城、使那城的人大大惊慌．无论大小都生痔疮。
嘁哩喀喳评论：基督教的“上帝”/“神”耶和华/耶稣__使__全城的人，无论大小（包
括小孩子/婴儿），都生痔疮！龌龊不龌龊？下流不下流？
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玛拉基书
2:3我必斥责你们的种子、又把你们牺牲的粪、抹在你们的脸上．你们要与粪一同除掉。
嘁哩喀喳评论：基督教的“上帝”/“神”耶和华/耶稣在人们的脸上抹粪！龌龊不龌龊
？下流不下流？
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以西结书
4:12你吃这饼、像吃大麦饼一样、要用人粪在众人眼前烧烤。
4:13耶和华说、以色列人在我所赶他们到的各国中、也必这样吃不洁净的食物。
4:14我说、哎、主耶和华阿、我素来未曾被玷污、从幼年到如今没有吃过自死的、或被
野兽撕裂的、那可憎的肉也未曾入我的口。
4:15于是他对我说、看哪、我给你牛粪代替人粪、你要将你的饼烤在其上。
嘁哩喀喳评论：基督教的“上帝”/“神”耶和华/耶稣给人们牛粪做饼吃！龌龊不龌龊
？下流不下流？
（===〉说明：这里，耶和华/耶稣是那牛粪给人们作燃料来烤饼，不是把牛粪坐在饼里
面。请大家思考：耶和华/耶稣为什么不给人们好一点的燃料烤饼吃啊？如果现在有人
用牛粪当燃料烤饼，基督徒们愿意吃吗？）
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以西结书 16:37 我就要将你一切相欢相爱的和你一切所恨的都聚集来，从四围攻击你
。又将你的下体露出，使他们看尽了。
以赛亚书 3:17 所以主必使锡安的女子头长秃疮，耶和华又使她们赤露下体。
嘁哩喀喳评论：基督教的“上帝”/“神”耶和华/耶稣“露女人的下体”给别人看！龌
龊不龌龊？下流不下流？
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有些基督徒解释说，在人脸上抹粪，露女人下体，这些都是比喻。我的回答是：退一万
步说，就算这些话是“比喻”好了。耶和华/耶稣用这么龌龊下流的比喻，说明耶和华/
耶稣也是龌龊下流的。
有些基督徒解释说，这是要惩罚罪人！我的回答是：假如人犯了罪，当然应该受到惩罚
。但是，耶和华/耶稣用这么龌龊下流的手段惩罚人，说明耶和华/耶稣也是龌龊下流的。
基督徒们有时候把“神”和人的关系比喻为人和蚂蚁的关系（蚂蚁不能理解人）。一个
人会不会用“在蚂蚁脸上抹粪”“露蚂蚁的下体”这样的方式去“羞辱”蚂蚁呢？
基督徒们有时候把耶和华/耶稣和人的关系比喻为父母和孩子的关系。父母会不会用“
抹粪”“露下体”的方式去羞辱不听话的子女呢？
碰上这些问题的时候，有些基督徒就会摆出一幅高深的样子，大谈什么时代背景啦之类
的绕圈子的话。其实，问题很简单：无论什么时代，无论什么背景，耶和华/耶稣“在
人脸上抹粪”“露女人下体”这些手段都是龌龊下流的。
还有一些基督徒狡辩说，某某伟人也说脏话云云。这种逻辑真是奇怪。伟人是人，有缺
点，说了脏话我们还可以理解。基们认为基们的“神”耶和华/耶稣是完美的。一个完
美的而且“慈爱公义”的“神”居然“在人们脸上抹粪”“露女人的下体”？“圣经”
上白纸黑字记载的耶和华/耶稣的这些丑事至少说明了耶和华/耶稣远远不是完美的！
所以，基督教的“神”/“上帝”耶和华/耶稣是十分龌龊下流的。 | n********n
发帖数: 8336 | 4 你对圣经的理解， 不是现在基督徒的理解。
你的信仰， 也不是基督徒的信仰
这样说， 可以回答你所有的问题吗？谢谢
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
: 什么叫龌龊？什么叫下流？
: 基督徒们总是把基督教的“上帝”宣扬成为一个充满慈爱的严父。然而，按照“圣经”
: 的描写，其实不是这样的。我们来看一看“圣经”白纸黑字描述的基督教的“上帝”耶
: 和华/耶稣干的一些事情：
: （1。我引用的“圣经”的章节我都列得清清楚楚，欢迎大家查证！）
: （2。很多基督徒都是不认真读“圣经”的。所以很多基督徒都没有读过这些“圣经”
: 经文。）
: 撒母耳记下
: 12:11 耶和华如此说、我必从你家中兴起祸患攻击你．我必在你眼前、把你的妃嫔赐给
: 别人、他在日光之下就与他们同寝。
| J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 5 neohorizon的帖子（http://www.mitbbs.com/article/TrustInJesus/1023615_3.html）里有个链接（http://godoor.net/jidianlinks/jdj/qlkc.htm），你的问题都在里面。
上帝 叫人强奸?
这是由于你错误理解了圣经。你又在反你臆想的“神”了。总有人震惊的发现相对论是
错的。你的题目也是这类的。
请看ESV study bible 的解释
2 Sam. 12:10–11 the sword shall never depart from your house. David’s sons
Amnon (13:29), Absalom (18:15), and Adonijah (1 Kings 2:25) all will die by
the sword. he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. Absalom
will rebel against David and publicly lie with David’s concubines on a
rooftop (2 Sam. 16:22).
上帝通过先知Nathan预言（记得这是预言）了对大卫夺人妻子，害人性命的惩罚。后面
会写到是Absalom造反，并真的当众与大卫的妾性交。这里我们看到上帝会惩罚作恶的
人，即使是上帝喜欢的大卫王，上帝也要惩罚他作的恶。上帝知道未来，准确的说明了
（预测）对大卫的惩罚是什么。
但是这里没有说上帝指使Absalom去惩罚大卫。这是上帝常用的做法，就是允许人，或
是恶魔去作恶，以达到上帝的目的。要说所有这些事发生的根本原因，当然是来自于上
帝，因为上帝创造了世界，所有事都是他间接造成的。但是他不是事情发生的直接因素
。上帝不去作恶也不让人作恶。
James 1:13
When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be
tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone;
上帝知道世间会有邪恶，但是他为了达到最终的目标允许邪恶暂时存在。虽然在人看来
，在人类历史上，罪恶似乎一直都在，而且丝毫没有减少的趋势，但是总有一天上帝总
会吧邪恶彻底消灭的，创建一个新天新地。
Revelation 21
21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the
first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the
holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as
a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne,
saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will [a]dwell
among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them
[b], 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no
longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or
pain; the first things have passed away.”
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
: 什么叫龌龊？什么叫下流？
: 基督徒们总是把基督教的“上帝”宣扬成为一个充满慈爱的严父。然而，按照“圣经”
: 的描写，其实不是这样的。我们来看一看“圣经”白纸黑字描述的基督教的“上帝”耶
: 和华/耶稣干的一些事情：
: （1。我引用的“圣经”的章节我都列得清清楚楚，欢迎大家查证！）
: （2。很多基督徒都是不认真读“圣经”的。所以很多基督徒都没有读过这些“圣经”
: 经文。）
: 撒母耳记下
: 12:11 耶和华如此说、我必从你家中兴起祸患攻击你．我必在你眼前、把你的妃嫔赐给
: 别人、他在日光之下就与他们同寝。
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 6
当然不可以。
“圣经”白纸黑字摆在那里，你所谓的“基督徒的理解”不过是在强奸人类语言文字。
【在 n********n 的大作中提到】
: 你对圣经的理解， 不是现在基督徒的理解。
: 你的信仰， 也不是基督徒的信仰
: 这样说， 可以回答你所有的问题吗？谢谢
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 7
你实在太不要脸了。白纸黑字的经文摆在那里，我就不重复了。那不是“预言”。那是
你家主子让人在光天化日之下奸污妇女。
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: neohorizon的帖子（http://www.mitbbs.com/article/TrustInJesus/1023615_3.html）里有个链接（http://godoor.net/jidianlinks/jdj/qlkc.htm），你的问题都在里面。
: 上帝 叫人强奸?
: 这是由于你错误理解了圣经。你又在反你臆想的“神”了。总有人震惊的发现相对论是
: 错的。你的题目也是这类的。
: 请看ESV study bible 的解释
: 2 Sam. 12:10–11 the sword shall never depart from your house. David’s sons
: Amnon (13:29), Absalom (18:15), and Adonijah (1 Kings 2:25) all will die by
: the sword. he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. Absalom
: will rebel against David and publicly lie with David’s concubines on a
: rooftop (2 Sam. 16:22).
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 8 英语原文有木有？
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: 嘉言慧语---论圣经
: 来源：摘自博客 作者：欧阳
: 圣经是本古老而神圣的书，且看古今中外仁人智士如何评说...
: 国父孙中山先生：《圣经》告诉我们, 你们的光要照亮于别人, 使大家都知道应走
: 的道路, 你们要把你们所受的传授别人, 这样, 你们的光就能普照人间。
: 林肯：没有《圣经》，我们就不能明辨是非。
: 美国国父华盛顿：民权的保障，乃在善良的政府，而善良的政府，必须建基于圣经
: 上。
: 文学家列夫.托尔斯泰：没有《圣经》就不可能教育孩童。
: 布道家慕迪：《圣经》不仅仅增进我们的知识，最重要的是改变我们的生活。
| n********n
发帖数: 8336 | 9 你说基督徒的理解”不过是在强奸人类语言文字
那么， 基督徒说你的理解是强奸人类语言文字fa 这该怎么办？
要不， 你另外成立一个“基督教”， 宣称你是正宗， 如何？
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: 你实在太不要脸了。白纸黑字的经文摆在那里，我就不重复了。那不是“预言”。那是
: 你家主子让人在光天化日之下奸污妇女。
| j*******7
发帖数: 6300 | 10 I find many of them from this --
http://www.why-the-bible.com/bible.htm
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 英语原文有木有？
| | | l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 11 发挥大师的复印功能，都拿出来对对
【在 j*******7 的大作中提到】
: I find many of them from this --
: http://www.why-the-bible.com/bible.htm
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 12
哈哈哈！不怎么办。白纸黑字的“经文”摆在那里，我相信正常人的阅读理解力，所以
不需要“怎么办”。
【在 n********n 的大作中提到】
: 你说基督徒的理解”不过是在强奸人类语言文字
: 那么， 基督徒说你的理解是强奸人类语言文字fa 这该怎么办？
: 要不， 你另外成立一个“基督教”， 宣称你是正宗， 如何？
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 13 All Bibles are man-made. [Thomas Edison]
So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion
is all bunk. [Thomas Edison]
I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories
of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. [
Thomas Alva Edison, Columbian Magazine]
To those seaching for truth - not the truth of dogma and darkness but the
truth brought by reason, search, examination, and inquiry, discipline is
required. For faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on
facts, not fiction - faith in fiction is a damnable false hope. [Thomas
Edison] | n********n
发帖数: 8336 | 14 没关系，
爱迪生可以休息了。
Religion
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: All Bibles are man-made. [Thomas Edison]
: So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion
: is all bunk. [Thomas Edison]
: I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious theories
: of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. [
: Thomas Alva Edison, Columbian Magazine]
: To those seaching for truth - not the truth of dogma and darkness but the
: truth brought by reason, search, examination, and inquiry, discipline is
: required. For faith, as well intentioned as it may be, must be built on
: facts, not fiction - faith in fiction is a damnable false hope. [Thomas
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 15 "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one,
he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
" - Thomas Jefferson
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." - Thomas
Jefferson
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson
"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of
the people." - James Madison
" The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." - John
Adams
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches." - Benjamin Franklin | n********n
发帖数: 8336 | 16 没关系，谁想休息，都可以。
基督教人多。
你也可以休息了
one,
fear.
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: "Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one,
: he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
: " - Thomas Jefferson
: "Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies." - Thomas
: Jefferson
: "History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
: maintaining a free civil government." - Thomas Jefferson
: "In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of
: the people." - James Madison
: " The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity." - John
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 17 Thomas Jefferson, (1743-1826) 3rd American president, author, scientist,
architect, educator, and diplomat. Deist, avid separationist.
"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of
Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined, and imprisoned, yet we have
not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of
coercion? To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites.
" [Notes on Virginia]
"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."
"To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the
human soul, angels, God, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or
that there is no God, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I
believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and
Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism,
this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But a heresy it certainly is.
Jesus told us indeed that 'God is a spirit,' but he has not defined what a
spirit is, nor said that it is not matter. And the ancient fathers generally
, if not universally, held it to be matter: light and thin indeed, an
etherial gas; but still matter." [letter to John Adams, August 15, 1820]
"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always
avail themselves for their own purposes" [Letter to von Humboldt, 1813].
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme
Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable
of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." [Letter to John Adams
, April 11, 1823]
"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty.
He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for
protection to his own" [Letter to H. Spafford, 1814].
"But a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the
Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who
professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for
enslaving mankind, and aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State."[
in a letter to S. Kercheval, 1810]
"...an amendment was proposed by inserting the words, 'Jesus Christ...the
holy author of our religion,' which was rejected 'By a great majority in
proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection,
the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and the Mohammedan, the Hindoo and
the Infidel of every denomination.'" [ From Jefferson's biography]
James Madison, (1751-1836) American president and political theorist.
Popularly known as the "Father of the Constitution." More than any other
framer he is responsible for the content and form of the First Amendment.
also see 'First Amendment' section of the 'Law & Government' section
"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity
been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride
and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both,
superstition, bigotry, and persecution."
"In no instance have . . . the churches been guardians of the liberties of
the people."
"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every
noble enterprise." [April 1, 1774]
"...the number, the industry, and the morality of the priesthood, and the
devotion of the people, have been manifestly increased by the total
separation of the church from the State" [Letter to Robert Walsh, Mar. 2,
1819]
"Every new and successful example, therefore, of a perfect separation
between the ecclesiastical and civil matters, is of importance; and I have
no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in
showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the
less they are mixed together" [Letter to Edward Livingston, July 10, 1822].
John Adams 1735-1826, 2d President of the United States
"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in
it." [ in a letter to Thomas Jefferson]
"The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity."
"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the
Christian religion."
"Let the human mind loose. It must be loose. It will be loose. Superstition
and dogmatism cannot confine it."
"But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been
blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the
most bloody religion that ever existed."
"Have you considered that system of holy lies and pious frauds that has
raged and triumphed for 1500 years."
"The question before the human race is, whether the God of nature shall
govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it
by fictitious miracles."
Charles Darwin, English naturalist (1809-1882)
From the age of forty he was, to use his own words, a complete disbeliever
in Christianity. He professed himself an Agnostic, regarding the problem of
the universe as beyond our solution,
"For myself," he wrote, "I do not believe in any revelation. As for a future
life, every man must judge for himself between conflicting vague
probabilities."
Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865).
In 2000 Years of Disbelief by James A. Haught, Lincoln is mentioned on pages
125 through 127. From the material presented it would seem that Lincoln as
a young man was an avid anti-christian and most likely an atheist. In his
later years, he came to believe in God, but still was anti-religious in the
sense that he rejected organized religion. Some selections from Haught:
John T. Stuart, Lincoln's first law partner: "He was an avowed and open
infidel, and sometimes bordered on Atheism...He went further against
Christian beliefs and doctrines and principles than any man I ever heard."
Joseph Lewis quoting Lincoln in a 1924 speech in New York:
"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give
assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
Lincoln in a letter to Judge J.S. Wakefield, after the death of Willie
Lincoln:
"My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation
and the human origin of the scriptures have become clearer and stronger with
advancing years, and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them."
As a young man Lincoln apparently wrote a manuscript that he planned to
publish, which vehemently argued against the divine origin of the Bible and
the Christian scheme of salvation. Samuel Hill, a friend and mentor,
convinced him to drop it, considering the disastrous consequences it would
have on his political career.
William H Herndon, a former law partner, wrote a biography on Lincoln titled
religious views extensively.
Gordon Leidner has collected some quotations from Lincoln's later years in
which he invokes God, and he makes the argument that Lincoln became a
sincere believer. It seems to me he did come to believe in God, but he never
accepted organized Christianity.
"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some
of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."
Karl Marx, German political philosopher and economist (1818-1883).
"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless
world, & the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."
Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist (1835-1910).
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true."
"'In God We Trust.' I don't believe it would sound any better if it were
true."
"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it
is the parts that I do understand."
"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he
believes and wishes he was certain of."
"There is no other life; life itself is only a vision and a dream for
nothing exists but space and you. If there was an all-powerful God, he would
have made all good, and no bad." [Mark Twain in Eruption]
"Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and
remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that
exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by
contrast" [Reflections on Religion, 1906]
"O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our
shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their
patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of
their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes
with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending
widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their
little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in
rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy
winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the
refuge of the grave and denied it..." ["The War Prayer"]
"[The Bible is] a mass of fables and traditions, mere mythology." ["Mark
Twain and the Bible"]
"Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he
even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights
to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays
to
him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea." [Letters from the Earth]
"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."
Mr. Clemens was once asked whether he feared death. He said that he did not,
in view of the fact that he had been dead for billions and billions of
years before he was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience
from it.
"[The Bible] has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of
obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies."
"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost
every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities
who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them
at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not
worth a brass farthing." [Autobiography of Mark Twain by Samuel Clemens]
Thomas Edison, American inventor (1847-1931).
"I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of
heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God."
"I do not believe that any type of religion should ever be introduced into
the public schools of the United States."
"So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake... Religion
is all bunk."
Sigmund Freud, Austrian physician and pioneer psychoanalyst (1856-1939).
"It would be very nice if there were a God who created the world and was a
benevolent providence, and if there were a moral order in the universe and
an after-life; but it is a very striking fact that all this is exactly as we
are bound to wish it to be."
"In the long run, nothing can withstand reason and experience, and the
contradiction religion offers to both is palpable."
"The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to
anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the
great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life
."
Freud certainly regarded belief in God as an illusion that mature men and
women should lay aside.
"The idea of God was not a lie but a device of the unconscious which needed
to be decoded by psychology. A personal god was nothing more than an exalted
father-figure: desire for such a deity sprang from infantile yearnings for
a powerful, protective father, for justice and fairness and for life to go
on forever. God is simply a projection of these desires, feared and
worshipped by human beings out of an abiding sense of helplessness. Religion
belonged to the infancy of the human race; it had been a necessary stage in
the transition from childhood to maturity. It had promoted ethical values
which were essential to society. Now that humanity had come of age, however,
it should be left behind." [A History of God]
George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright (1856-1950).
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point
than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
"No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always
convinced that it says what he means."
Frank Lloyd Wright, American architect (1869-1959).
"I believe in God, only I spell it Nature."
Albert Einstein, German born American threoretical physicist (1879-1955).
From a correspondence between Ensign Guy H. Raner and Albert Einstein in
1945 and 1949. Einstein responds to the accusation that he was converted by
a Jesuit priest:
"I have never talked to a Jesuit prest in my life. I am astonished by the
audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I
am, of course, and have always been an atheist."
"I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal God is a
childlike one.You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading
spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful
act of liberation from religious indoctrination received in youth."
[Freethought Today, November 2004]
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a
lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal
God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something
is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration
for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." [From a
letter Einstein wrote in English, dated 24 March 1954. It is included in
Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman,
published by Princeton University Press.
"If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human
action, every human thought, and every human feeling and aspiration is also
His work; how is it possible to think of holding men responsible for their
deeds and thoughts before such an almighty Being? In giving out punishment
and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing judgment on Himself. How
can this be combined with the goodness and righteousness ascribed to Him?"
[Albert Einstein, Out of My Later Years (New York: Philosophical Library,
1950), p. 27.]
"During the youthful period of mankind's spiritual evolution, human fantasy
created gods in man's own image who, by the operations of their will were
supposed to determine, or at any rate influence, the phenomenal world... The
idea of God in the religions taught at present is a sublimation of that old
conception of the gods. Its anthropomorphic character is shown, for
instance, by the fact that men appeal to the Divine Being in prayers and
plead for the fulfillment of their wishes... In their struggle for the
ethical good, teachers of religion must have the stature to give up the
doctrine of a personal God, that is, give up that source of fear and hope
which in the past placed such vase power in the hands of priests." [Albert
Einstein, reported in Science, Philosophy and Religion: A Symposium, edited
by L. Bryson and L. Finkelstein. Quoted in: 2000 Years of Disbelief. by
James Haught]
"Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end
at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon
reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true
....Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...
an attitude which has never left me." [The Quotable Einstein]
Ernest Hemingway, American author (1899-1961).
"All thinking men are atheists." [A Farewell to Arms]
On page 144 of Paul Johnson's book Intellectuals, it states that despite
being raised in a strict Congregationalist houshold, Ernest "did not only
not believe in God but regarded organized religion as a menace to human
happiness", "seems to have been devoid of the religious spirit", and "ceased
to practise religion at the earliest possible moment."
Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author (1920-1992).
"I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been
an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually
unrespectable to say that one is an atheist, because it assumed knowledge
that one didn't have. Somehow it was better to say one was a humanist or
agnostic. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I
so strongly suspect that he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time."
"Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after
being drunk all night."
Gene Roddenberry, Creator of Star Trek (1921-1991).
"I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of
rational decision, to drain people of their free will--and a hell of a lot
of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I
reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute
for a malfunctioning brain."
"We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God,
who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes."
Carl Sagan, American astronomer and author (1934-1997).
In a March 1996 profile by Jim Dawson in the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, Sagan
talked about his then-new book The Demon Haunted World and was asked about
his personal spiritual views:
"My view is that if there is no evidence for it, then forget about it," he
said. "An agnostic is somebody who doesn't believe in something until there
is evidence for it, so I'm agnostic."
When asked how he would explain a "genuine mystical experience," Sagan
responded: "Your question presupposes the existence of a genuine mystical
experience and I'm not sure what that is. People have vivid hallucinations.
How do you distinguish between altered states of consciousness?"
"It is said that men may not be the dreams of the Gods, but rather that the
Gods are the dreams of men."
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Galileo Galilei (1564–1642) great Italian astronomer, mathematician, and
physicist who laid foundations for modern experimental science and gave
mathematical formulation to many physical laws.
"Philosophy itself cannot but benefit from our disputes, for if our
conceptions prove true, new achievements will be made; if false, their
refutation will further confirm the original doctrines." (as quoted in
Galileo at Work : His Scientific Biography, p. 108)
"I do not think it is necessary to believe that the same God who has given
us our senses, reason, and intelligence wished us to abandon their use,
giving us by some other means the information that we could gain through
them." (ibid., p. 226)
"...nothing physical which sense-experience sets before our eyes, or which
necessary demonstrations prove to us, ought to be called into question (much
less condemned) upon the testimony of biblical passages." [as quoted in
Blind Watchers of the Sky, p. 101]
Jesse "the body" Ventura, American politician, Navy seal and Professional
wrestler.
"Organized religion is a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people who need
strength in numbers. It tells people to go out and stick their noses in
other people's business." [Quoted from an interview with Playboy magazine.]
Arthur C. Clarke, Author
"It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create
him." Quoted from Clarke's autobiography.
In an April 1, 1997 profile in the New York Times Clarke speaks about his
new book 3001, the latest and perhaps final in the series of books beginning
with 2001: In the world of 3001 Clarke envisions for the story, the writer
of the piece, John F. Burns, says: "Perhaps most controversially, religions
of all kinds have fallen under a strict taboo, with the citizenry looking
back on the religious beliefs and practices of earlier ages as products of
ignorance that caused untold strife and bloodshed. But the concept of a God,
known by the Latin word Deus, survives, a legacy of man's continuing wonder
at the universe. "In this, Clarke is giving vent to one of the few things
that seem to ruffle his equable nature.
"Religion is a byproduct of fear," he says. "For much of human history, it
may have been a necessary evil, but why was it more evil than necessary? Isn
't killing people in the name of God a pretty good definition of insanity?"
Stephen Hawking, Theoretical Physicist
At a physicist's conference Hawking was attending after his book A Brief
History of Time was published, a reporter approached him to ask if he did in
fact believe in God, given the "mind of God" reference near the end of the
book. Hawking responded quickly (suggesting his answer was pre-prepared)
"I do not believe in a personal God."
Stephen King, Author
"The beauty of religious mania is that it has the power to explain
everything. Once God (or Satan) is accepted as the first cause of everything
which happens in the mortal world, nothing is left to chance...logic can be
happily tossed out the window."
Friedrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
"In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with
reality at any point."
"I call Christianity the one great curse, the one great intrinsic depravity,
the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are venomous enough,
or secret, subterranean and small enough - I call it the one immortal
blemish upon the human race."
"Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's?"
Woody Allen, Director/Actor/Writer
"If only God would give me some clear sign! Like making a large deposit in
my name at a Swiss Bank." ["Selections from the Allen Notebooks," in New
Yorker (5 Nov. 1973)]
"Not only is God dead, but just try to find a plumber on weekends." In his
autobiographical movie, Stardust Memories, Allen's character is called an
atheist. He responds "To you, I'm an atheist. To God, I'm the loyal
opposition."
"As the poet said, 'Only God can make a tree' -- probably because it's so
hard to figure out how to get the bark on."
"How can I believe in God when just last week I got my tongue caught in the
roller of an electric typewriter?"
"If it turns out that there is a God, I don't think that he's evil. But the
worst that you can say about him is that basically he's an underachiever."
"I do not believe in an afterlife, although I am bringing a change of
underwear."
"The chief problem about death, incidentally, is the fear that there may be
no afterlife -- a depressing thought, particularly for those who have
bothered to shave. Also, there is the fear that there is an afterlife but no
one will know where it's being held." ["The Early Essays," Without Feathers
(1976)]
"I do occasionally envy the person who is religious naturally, without being
brainwashed into it or suckered into it by all the organized hustles." [
Rolling Stone magazine, 1987]
Susan B. Anthony, (1820-1906), American feminist leader and suffragist.
"The religious persecution of the ages has been done under what was claimed
to be the command of God." [Rufus K. Noyes, Views of Religion, quoted from
James A. Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief]
"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because
I notice it always coincides with their own desires."
"What you should say to outsiders is that a Christian has neither more nor
less rights in our Association than an atheist. When our platform becomes
too narrow for people of all creeds and of no creeds, I myself shall not
stand upon it."
[Susan B. Anthony: A Biography, by Kathleen Barry, New York University Press
, 1988, p.310]
Benjamin Franklin, (1706-1790), American public official, writer, scientist,
and printer who played a major part in the American Revolution.
"The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason."
[Poor Richard's Almanack, 1758]
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
"He (the Rev. Mr. Whitefield) used, indeed, sometimes to pray for my
conversion, but never had the satisfaction of believing that his prayers
were heard." [Franklin's Autobiography]
"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the want
of it."
Edgar Allan Poe (1809-1849), American writer
"The pioneers and missionaries of religion have been the real cause of more
trouble and war than all other classes of mankind." [ Ira D. Cardiff, What
Great Men Think of Religion, quoted from James A. Haught, ed., 2000 Years of
Disbelief]
"No man who ever lived knows any more about the hereafter ... than you and I
; and all religion ... is simply evolved out of chicanery, fear, greed,
imagination and poetry." [ Rufus K. Noyes, Views of Religion, quoted from
James A. Haught, ed., 2000 Years of Disbelief]
Voltaire [François Marie Arouet] (1694-1778), French philosopher and
writer whose works epitomize the Age of Enlightenment.
"Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should
inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most
intolerant of all men." [Harry Elmer Barnes, An Intellectual and Cultural
History of the Western World (1937) p. 766, quoted from Albert J. Menendez
and Edd Doerr, The Great Quotations on Religious Freedom]
"Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd and bloody religion
that has ever infected the world."
[James A. Haught in "Honest Minds, Past and Present" Talks for History of
Freethought conference Sept. 20-21, 1997, Cincinnati, Ohio]
"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him."
[Letters vol. xcvi (1769), quoted from Jonathon Green, The Cassell
Dictionary of Cynical Quotations]
"A clergyman is one who feels himself called upon to live without working at
the expense of the rascals who work to live." [Jonathon Green, The Cassell
Dictionary of Cynical Quotations]
"The first clergyman was the first rascal who met the first fool"
"Men who believe absurdities will commit atrocities."
Epicurus (341–270 B.C.), Greek philosopher
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
Robert G. Ingersoll (1833-1899), Well known post civil war American
political speechmaker and Secular-Humanist. Among his admirers were
president James Garfield, poet Walt Whitman, General Ulysses S. Grant,
industrialist-philanthropist Andrew Carnegie, inventor Thomas Edison, and
Mark Twain. more
"The good part of Christmas is not always Christian -- it is generally Pagan
; that is to say, human, natural."
"Christianity did not come with tidings of great joy, but with a message of
eternal grief. It came with the threat of everlasting torture on its lips.
It meant war on earth and perdition hereafter." [A CHRISTMAS SERMON. 1891]
"Secularism is a religion, a religion that is understood. It has no
mysteries, no mumblings, no priests, no ceremonies, no falsehoods, no
miracles, and no persecutions." [SECULARISM]
"One of the foundation stones of our faith is the Old Testament. If that
book is not true, if its authors were unaided men, if it contains blunders
and falsehoods, then that stone crumbles to dust...The Old Testament must be
thrown aside. It is no longer a foundation. It has crumbled." - The
Foundations of Faith
"An honest god is the noblest work of man. ... God has always resembled his
creators. He hated and loved what they hated and loved and he was invariably
found on the side of those in power."
"As people become more intelligent they care less for preaches and more for
teachers"
"Why should I allow that same God to tell me how to raise my kids, who had
to drown His own?"
Bertrand Russell (b.1872 - d.1970), British philosopher, logician, essayist,
and social critic, best known for his work in mathematical logic and
analytic philosophy and was awarded the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1950.
His essays include, "Am I an Agnostic or an Atheist?" and "Why I am not a
Christian" Writings
"Religion is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly
the terror of the unknown and partly, as I have said, the wish to feel that
you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles
and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing -- fear of the mysterious
, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and
therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand." -
Why I Am Not A Christian
"And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such
an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence." - What
is an Agnostic?
"So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of
intelligence."
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900), Irish author and Playwright
"When I think of all the harm the Bible has done, I despair of ever writing
anything equal to it."
Ulysses S. Grant ( 1822 – 1885) A graduate from West Point, Commanding
General of the Northern Army in the Civil War and US President.
"Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the
private schools, supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the
church and the state forever separated."
Charlie Chaplin (1889–1977) English film actor, director, producer, writer,
and composer
"By simple common sense I don't believe in God, in none."
["Manual of a Perfect Atheist" by Rius]
Ayn Rand (1905–1982) American writer, b. St. Petersburg, Russia. Her best-
known novels include The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged . In For the New
Intellectual she summarized her philosophy, which she called “objectivism.”
"God... a being whose only definition is that he is beyond man's power to
conceive."
"Religion is a primitive form of philosophy, [the] attempt to offer a
comprehensive view of reality."
[The Objectivist Feb 1966 WMail Issue #5]
Thomas Paine (1737-1809) American writer, an important figure in the
American Revolution with his pamphlets like "Common Sense", and "The Crisis".
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman
church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church
, nor by any church that I know of....Each of those churches accuse the
other of unbelief; and of my own part, I disbelieve them all." [From The Age
of Reason, pp. 89]
"All natural institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish
, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave
mankind, and monopolize power and profit." [The Age of Reason]
"It is the duty of every true Deist to vindicate the moral justice of God
against the evils of the Bible."
"My own mind is my own church" | l*****a
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“孙中山明确地告诉我，他从来不信什么上帝，他也不相信传教士（他们不是“伪善者
”就是“受了误导”）”。
- 宋庆龄
【在 n********n 的大作中提到】
: 没关系，谁想休息，都可以。
: 基督教人多。
: 你也可以休息了
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: one,
: fear.
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