G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 1 好像之前有些误解。如果真的如你转的内容的话，目前的阿民念的观点问题真的不大。 |
R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 2 who taught you Arminrian is wrong?
see how false teacher can deceive you!
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 好像之前有些误解。如果真的如你转的内容的话，目前的阿民念的观点问题真的不大。
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 3 你转的那个的确说的不错。但是反对加尔文五点的的确不靠谱。
你说说看为什么吴主光辩护的阿民念和你贴的不一样？
你先搞清楚
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: who taught you Arminrian is wrong?
: see how false teacher can deceive you!
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 4 where is the difference?
the version of Arminrian you calvinists see is from the evil propaganda of C
alvinism
Dave Hunt cited the original sentences from Arminrian books
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你转的那个的确说的不错。但是反对加尔文五点的的确不靠谱。
: 你说说看为什么吴主光辩护的阿民念和你贴的不一样？
: 你先搞清楚
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 5 研究的不少啊？
我还不能完全相信你说的，你选材料经常乱选。
吴主光牧师写的可跟你写的不一样啊。他可是阿民念的。
你来解释一些，你乱七八糟转载了这么多，应该都看过。
吴主光的观点和你说的Dave Hunt的观点的异同？另外这个Dave什么背景？
C
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: where is the difference?
: the version of Arminrian you calvinists see is from the evil propaganda of C
: alvinism
: Dave Hunt cited the original sentences from Arminrian books
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 6 read this post
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/674017.html
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 研究的不少啊？
: 我还不能完全相信你说的，你选材料经常乱选。
: 吴主光牧师写的可跟你写的不一样啊。他可是阿民念的。
: 你来解释一些，你乱七八糟转载了这么多，应该都看过。
: 吴主光的观点和你说的Dave Hunt的观点的异同？另外这个Dave什么背景？
:
: C
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 7 那个Dave Hunt的一些信息看了一下，他是四点阿民念主义者，他同意信徒永蒙保守，
呵呵。他是反对摩门教的。
下次你找个好点的资料吧？
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: read this post
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/674017.html
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 8 bible
you cite bible
I cite bible
I am not afraid of reasoning and biblical digging. I have been listening to
Christian radio for ten years.
My Christian life is longer than most of Chritian IDs on this board
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 那个Dave Hunt的一些信息看了一下，他是四点阿民念主义者，他同意信徒永蒙保守，
: 呵呵。他是反对摩门教的。
: 下次你找个好点的资料吧？
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 9 你现在在打空气啊。
你活生生的把阿民念主义给更改了。每天转了一堆帖子不知道在说什么。
不过好在我们现在有一点共识：
耶稣基督最后只救了一部分人。
承认吧？
to
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: bible
: you cite bible
: I cite bible
: I am not afraid of reasoning and biblical digging. I have been listening to
: Christian radio for ten years.
: My Christian life is longer than most of Chritian IDs on this board
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 10 where?
you accuse me for nonsense
Dave Hunt copied the original sentences from the Arminrian books.
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你现在在打空气啊。
: 你活生生的把阿民念主义给更改了。每天转了一堆帖子不知道在说什么。
: 不过好在我们现在有一点共识：
: 耶稣基督最后只救了一部分人。
: 承认吧？
:
: to
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 11 results cannot justify cause
people go to hell because they refuse the gospel,which is exactly Arminrian
are teaching!!!
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你现在在打空气啊。
: 你活生生的把阿民念主义给更改了。每天转了一堆帖子不知道在说什么。
: 不过好在我们现在有一点共识：
: 耶稣基督最后只救了一部分人。
: 承认吧？
:
: to
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 12 你给我看的那个阿民念的信仰，基本没问题。
不是通常大家反对的那五点。
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: where?
: you accuse me for nonsense
: Dave Hunt copied the original sentences from the Arminrian books.
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 13 结论一致么？一个一个来。
Arminrian
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: results cannot justify cause
: people go to hell because they refuse the gospel,which is exactly Arminrian
: are teaching!!!
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 14 Calvinists are fighting Wind-mill
the foolish Calvinist fights a target created by himself
don't be a stupid Calvinist
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你给我看的那个阿民念的信仰，基本没问题。
: 不是通常大家反对的那五点。
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 15 基督最后只救赎一部分人而不是全部。你认同不？
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Calvinists are fighting Wind-mill
: the foolish Calvinist fights a target created by himself
: don't be a stupid Calvinist
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 16 Jesus died for all
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
but those who choose to refuse this free gift are going to hell.
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 基督最后只救赎一部分人而不是全部。你认同不？
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 17 这么说是同意了？
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: Jesus died for all
: "[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
: but those who choose to refuse this free gift are going to hell.
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 18 this is excatly what Ariminrian taught:
①凡相信主耶稣的，必定得救。
约3:16 神爱世人，甚至将他的独生子赐给他们，叫一切信他的，不至灭亡，反得永生。
可16:16 信而受洗的，必然得救；不信的，必被定罪。
约3:18 信他的人，不被定罪；不信的人，罪已经定了，因为他不信 神独生子的
名。
路8:50 耶稣听见就对他说，不要怕，【只要信】，你的女儿就必得救。
耶稣说【只要信】，就必得救，而没有说“只要预定，就必得救”
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这么说是同意了？
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I***b
发帖数: 209 | 19 I am confused who really is the christian here, Reo or Godwithus? Not all
people will be saved is a sad truth. God knows that and tells us in the
bible. But it doesn't mean that God's saving plan is not for all. Godwithus,
could you look at your signature verses one more time?
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这么说是同意了？
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 20 并不是所有人都得救是加尔文和阿民念的共识。
如果认为所有人最后都得救，那是不符合圣经教训的。
差别，你可以看看我和他转的加尔文5点和阿民念五点的区别。
Godwithus,
【在 I***b 的大作中提到】
: I am confused who really is the christian here, Reo or Godwithus? Not all
: people will be saved is a sad truth. God knows that and tells us in the
: bible. But it doesn't mean that God's saving plan is not for all. Godwithus,
: could you look at your signature verses one more time?
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 21 did you understand what he just said?
you are fighting a wind-mill again.
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 并不是所有人都得救是加尔文和阿民念的共识。
: 如果认为所有人最后都得救，那是不符合圣经教训的。
: 差别，你可以看看我和他转的加尔文5点和阿民念五点的区别。
:
: Godwithus,
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 22 zan
That jesus died for all is written in the bible
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
Godwithus,
【在 I***b 的大作中提到】
: I am confused who really is the christian here, Reo or Godwithus? Not all
: people will be saved is a sad truth. God knows that and tells us in the
: bible. But it doesn't mean that God's saving plan is not for all. Godwithus,
: could you look at your signature verses one more time?
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I***b
发帖数: 209 | 23
Agree. But it seems that you missed the real point again -- God's saving
plan is for all. What do you think that for so long Reo has argued with you?
If you could really look at those verses and think about it for a while.
I know you are a christian. That's why I would like to send some reminder.
Stick to your bible and try to leave those "-ism"'s away.
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 并不是所有人都得救是加尔文和阿民念的共识。
: 如果认为所有人最后都得救，那是不符合圣经教训的。
: 差别，你可以看看我和他转的加尔文5点和阿民念五点的区别。
:
: Godwithus,
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 24 这事，很难说清楚。你让我怎么说呢？
我以前也是反对加尔文的，不过现在发现其观点比阿民念更加符合圣经，后者呢共容易
通过我们的头脑逻辑
you?
【在 I***b 的大作中提到】
:
: Agree. But it seems that you missed the real point again -- God's saving
: plan is for all. What do you think that for so long Reo has argued with you?
: If you could really look at those verses and think about it for a while.
: I know you are a christian. That's why I would like to send some reminder.
: Stick to your bible and try to leave those "-ism"'s away.
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G*******s
发帖数: 4956 | 25 please carefully read his/her reply.
【在 R*o 的大作中提到】
: did you understand what he just said?
: you are fighting a wind-mill again.
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I***b
发帖数: 209 | 26 Just for clarification, I am NOT 反对加尔文. It should help you to
understand bible better, but you should not rely on it.
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: 这事，很难说清楚。你让我怎么说呢？
: 我以前也是反对加尔文的，不过现在发现其观点比阿民念更加符合圣经，后者呢共容易
: 通过我们的头脑逻辑
:
: you?
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 27 "[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
"[God] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the t
ruth." (1 Tim. 2:4)
"[Jesus] gave Himself a ransom for all." (1 Tim. 2:6)
【在 G*******s 的大作中提到】
: please carefully read his/her reply.
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