r**t 发帖数: 115 | 1 Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the
Bible Study.
Peace be with you.
I led a Bible Study in my Diocese on Galatians for the Year of St Paul. If
you guy want, I can post my notes for you. But it’s in English.
basic info:
1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the Holy Church.
2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | |
w*******e 发帖数: 6802 | 3 赞尖锐!
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 先问你一下: : 基督的人性是受造物吗?
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 4 要不你先答一下。
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 赞尖锐!
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w*******e 发帖数: 6802 | 5 不敢乱说话,万一被批成一段,怎么办?
上次就有飞机把我打成一段了。哈哈。
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 要不你先答一下。
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r**t 发帖数: 115 | 6 Why are you interested in this question?
Most simple questions like this can be answered by Nicene Creed... No need
for me to add.
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 先问你一下: : 基督的人性是受造物吗?
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 7 独立思考,语气委婉,说错了,也不会招人烦。不要自以为是,目中无人,张牙舞爪,
就行了。
【在 w*******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不敢乱说话,万一被批成一段,怎么办? : 上次就有飞机把我打成一段了。哈哈。
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l*****d 发帖数: 754 | 8 嗯,我们知道天主教的观点和更正教的观点有些不同之处,比如圣经的组成,
教会的组织等等。
这样吧,我建议你用一两篇帖子简要阐述一下你对加拉太书的认识,
先给大家一个大致的了解,如果是中文的最好,多谢!
If
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Why are you interested in this question? : Most simple questions like this can be answered by Nicene Creed... No need : for me to add.
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 9 Nicene Creed是谁?他经常在那一个版发贴?
need
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Why are you interested in this question? : Most simple questions like this can be answered by Nicene Creed... No need : for me to add.
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w*******e 发帖数: 6802 | 10 哦。
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 独立思考,语气委婉,说错了,也不会招人烦。不要自以为是,目中无人,张牙舞爪, : 就行了。
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l*****d 发帖数: 754 | 11 这个中文翻译过来是尼西亚信经,稍微google一下就知道了。
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Nicene Creed是谁?他经常在那一个版发贴? : : need
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 12 哦,谢谢了。尼西亚信经是讲三一神的,对吧?不过我问的是,耶稣的人性(不是神性
)是不是受造物。
【在 l*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个中文翻译过来是尼西亚信经,稍微google一下就知道了。
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w****r 发帖数: 17566 | 13 这个你得去问小悟空。。这话题是他扯出来的
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 哦,谢谢了。尼西亚信经是讲三一神的,对吧?不过我问的是,耶稣的人性(不是神性 : )是不是受造物。
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 14 贴出来吧。这里不少人想了解天主教的呢。
If
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Why are you interested in this question? : Most simple questions like this can be answered by Nicene Creed... No need : for me to add.
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 15 圣经真理里面,有几个红线是一定不能碰的。这些都是最最基要的信仰真理,倒了一个
就是全部倒了。
个人观点,简单列举几个
1)圣经无误和绝对权威
例如摩门教,基督科学会
2)三位一体,基督神人二性
例如见证人会,某会,基督科学会
3)耶稣童女所生,受死复活升天
4)耶稣再来的日子
例如见证人会,东方闪电
5)因信称义
例如天主教,见证人会,安息日会
http://cclw.net/gospel/new/zengdaosouce/index.html |
o**1 发帖数: 6383 | 16 3. 到底是童女还是处女?
4. 耶稣到底什么时候再来?你凭什么认为见证人会和东方闪电所认定的日子不对?
5. 因信称义也不是开始就共识的吧。是宗教改革后才竖立起来的吧?光信还是不行,
没有行也不算真信。
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 圣经真理里面,有几个红线是一定不能碰的。这些都是最最基要的信仰真理,倒了一个 : 就是全部倒了。 : 个人观点,简单列举几个 : 1)圣经无误和绝对权威 : 例如摩门教,基督科学会 : 2)三位一体,基督神人二性 : 例如见证人会,某会,基督科学会 : 3)耶稣童女所生,受死复活升天 : 4)耶稣再来的日子 : 例如见证人会,东方闪电
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w****r 发帖数: 17566 | 17 兄台很愤呢
童女在这里就是处女的意思,我的理解。不是专们指儿童
您查查经就知道了,耶稣来的日子,没有人知道,只有耶和华自己知道。见证人会之前
所号称的好几个世界末日已经过去了,地球还在转。东方闪电认定的日子我不清楚。。
关于耶稣何时再来,再来时的特征,还有东方闪电的介绍,版主在以前都有详细的贴总
结描述。。您请他帮你找一找吧。
义的定义您清楚吗?
:光信还是不行,
这个说的好。但没有人可以做到100%的真信(也即没有人可以做
到100%的像耶稣那么的好,这也是诸位可以在这里凭某些JDT的某些行为来品头论足的
原因),如果您非要用这个标准去要求人的话,没有人可以做得到,至少凭自己做不到。
【在 o**1 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 3. 到底是童女还是处女? : 4. 耶稣到底什么时候再来?你凭什么认为见证人会和东方闪电所认定的日子不对? : 5. 因信称义也不是开始就共识的吧。是宗教改革后才竖立起来的吧?光信还是不行, : 没有行也不算真信。
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o**1 发帖数: 6383 | 18 没有愤,问问题而已。
前面的帖子你没看,前面的天主教的帖子讲童女是年青女子,不是处女的意思。讲是新
教当初误解了旧约,为了故意让旧约预言实现,搞成了处女生子。我是针对那个有此一
问的。
也就是说任何人宣称知道的都是假的了?
我看版上很多人宣称耶稣再来的日子不会远了,这个说法也是不对的吧。因为没有人知
道。
看前面版主帖的文章说当初以为耶稣马上就要再来,都没有整理新约。所以说以后你们
不能再这么说了,否则犯了这一条。
没有人做到 100% 真信,那么也能得救是吧?那么有没有个底线?信到百分之多少可以
得救?可以称义?怎么叫信了?
【在 w****r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 兄台很愤呢 : : 童女在这里就是处女的意思,我的理解。不是专们指儿童 : 您查查经就知道了,耶稣来的日子,没有人知道,只有耶和华自己知道。见证人会之前 : 所号称的好几个世界末日已经过去了,地球还在转。东方闪电认定的日子我不清楚。。 : 关于耶稣何时再来,再来时的特征,还有东方闪电的介绍,版主在以前都有详细的贴总 : 结描述。。您请他帮你找一找吧。 : 义的定义您清楚吗? : :光信还是不行, : 这个说的好。但没有人可以做到100%的真信(也即没有人可以做
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 19 关于因信称义,是要和因工得救区分的。天主教讲的是,真正的信需要体现在行动上,
而不是说我们的行动使我们有资格称义或得救。很多人对天主教都有这样的误解。
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 圣经真理里面,有几个红线是一定不能碰的。这些都是最最基要的信仰真理,倒了一个 : 就是全部倒了。 : 个人观点,简单列举几个 : 1)圣经无误和绝对权威 : 例如摩门教,基督科学会 : 2)三位一体,基督神人二性 : 例如见证人会,某会,基督科学会 : 3)耶稣童女所生,受死复活升天 : 4)耶稣再来的日子 : 例如见证人会,东方闪电
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 20 我今天看了马丁路德的一篇东西,他是坚持耶稣的人性是creature,他的神性是
creator。不知你了解不?
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 圣经真理里面,有几个红线是一定不能碰的。这些都是最最基要的信仰真理,倒了一个 : 就是全部倒了。 : 个人观点,简单列举几个 : 1)圣经无误和绝对权威 : 例如摩门教,基督科学会 : 2)三位一体,基督神人二性 : 例如见证人会,某会,基督科学会 : 3)耶稣童女所生,受死复活升天 : 4)耶稣再来的日子 : 例如见证人会,东方闪电
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 21 没有看过
1)
其实马丁路德只是宗教改革的一位“发起者”,或者说“导火索”而已
真正代表宗教改革神学立场的,是加尔文
2)
并且他们所做的,只是帮助教会从那样一个严重扭曲的情况中走出来而已
但是他们身上可能还多少带着一些错误的认识
3)
宗教改革的最大贡献,是让教会重新回到圣经里来,重新回到耶稣基督的十字架前
4)
每一个改教家都是人,是罪人,所以他们所说所讲都会有错误的地方
而他们的心愿,并不是后世信徒都去信他们。他们的心愿,只是指明一条路而已,人要
透过圣经的学习,十字架的救赎,走这条天路,直到主再来的那一天
简单来说,唯独圣经
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我今天看了马丁路德的一篇东西,他是坚持耶稣的人性是creature,他的神性是 : creator。不知你了解不?
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 22 很多人对于天主教的“误解”不是在所谓的“行动”问题
而是想透过十字架之外的其他任何方式途径,寻求救恩的问题。例如赎罪券,功德,告
解,弥撒,炼狱,崇拜圣人........
有空和大家一起读加拉太书吧
救恩的中心只有一个,就是十字架。除此之外加上任何所谓无伤大雅的东西,就是抹煞
整个救恩
圣洁的真理,容不得半点沙子
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 关于因信称义,是要和因工得救区分的。天主教讲的是,真正的信需要体现在行动上, : 而不是说我们的行动使我们有资格称义或得救。很多人对天主教都有这样的误解。
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G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 23 乖乖,刚才还想拿马丁路德来砸你呢,你到先把小马给轧腿了。你先忙着,等我考完试
后把小马的东东拿出来一起看看。
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 没有看过 : 1) : 其实马丁路德只是宗教改革的一位“发起者”,或者说“导火索”而已 : 真正代表宗教改革神学立场的,是加尔文 : 2) : 并且他们所做的,只是帮助教会从那样一个严重扭曲的情况中走出来而已 : 但是他们身上可能还多少带着一些错误的认识 : 3) : 宗教改革的最大贡献,是让教会重新回到圣经里来,重新回到耶稣基督的十字架前 : 4)
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 24 第一条马腿:不仅不喜欢雅各书,还有把雅各书从圣经里删掉的念头
唉,有空别找小马哥了,还是一步步读经最实际。小马哥只是神的一个小仆人而已。
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 乖乖,刚才还想拿马丁路德来砸你呢,你到先把小马给轧腿了。你先忙着,等我考完试 : 后把小马的东东拿出来一起看看。
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 25 你提到的很多不是误解,是事实,比如赎罪券。已经都承认是历史错误了,也纠正了。
顺便问问,新教对弥撒有啥意见?
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 很多人对于天主教的“误解”不是在所谓的“行动”问题 : 而是想透过十字架之外的其他任何方式途径,寻求救恩的问题。例如赎罪券,功德,告 : 解,弥撒,炼狱,崇拜圣人........ : 有空和大家一起读加拉太书吧 : 救恩的中心只有一个,就是十字架。除此之外加上任何所谓无伤大雅的东西,就是抹煞 : 整个救恩 : 圣洁的真理,容不得半点沙子
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r**t 发帖数: 115 | 26 Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the
Bible Study.
1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the
Holy Church.
2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or
Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
4.I will not answer simple |
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 28 早就不卖了。
【在 D*****y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 问个小问题,天主教卖赎罪券吗?
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w****r 发帖数: 17566 | 29 you'd better update this message to the beginning of your teach..
BTW, it's better to delete the word "stupid" here
or
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 30 不好意思,把你的楼搞歪了。
我想看。要是其他人不想看,你私下发给我吧?
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【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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w*******e 发帖数: 6802 | 31 i agree. it's better to delete the word "stupid" here
【在 w****r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : you'd better update this message to the beginning of your teach.. : BTW, it's better to delete the word "stupid" here : : or
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D*****y 发帖数: 5788 | 32 啥时候停的呢?
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 早就不卖了。
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 33 咦, 原來天主教也有這種自我感覺良好的?
我還以為只有Bill Donohue 這樣子而已。
對我們天主教形象破壞很大啊。 麻煩你回去
唸三遍天主經, 三遍聖母經。
or
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 34 “到1562年,因为更正教和罗马教都对赎罪券不满,天特大公会议(The Council of
Trent)决定停止赎罪券的发行。”
http://baike.baidu.com/view/434806.htm
【在 D*****y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 啥时候停的呢?
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r**t 发帖数: 115 | 35 Are you Catholic?
If yes, Thanks be to God.
If not, stopping use 我們天主教
Bill Donohue is a Catholic, in case you don't know.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 咦, 原來天主教也有這種自我感覺良好的? : 我還以為只有Bill Donohue 這樣子而已。 : 對我們天主教形象破壞很大啊。 麻煩你回去 : 唸三遍天主經, 三遍聖母經。 : : or
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q********g 发帖数: 10694 | 36 其实“天主教”是中国共产党发明的词。你们接受这个叫法?
怎么也该说是“圣而公教会”是不是。
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Are you Catholic? : If yes, Thanks be to God. : If not, stopping use 我們天主教 : Bill Donohue is a Catholic, in case you don't know.
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s*******g 发帖数: 535 | 37 这个态度也未免太自负了一些。
bbs的公共版面的发帖原则实际上是有共识的。一旦发帖了,就要做好被七嘴八舌讨论
的准备。
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【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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q********g 发帖数: 10694 | 38 here is the board of Jesus Christ, not the board of Catholic.
Man, open your mind or heart~
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 39 新教对于崇拜的礼仪方式,没有什么特别的意见
但是如果要把这种礼仪,和“救恩”/“功德”挂上钩,那就是万万不可的
http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/literature.faq/TrustInJesus/theology/M.124
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9、弥撒(圣餐)
圣经没有说“圣餐”二字,只是标题标上“圣餐”。圣经只说“晚餐”、“擘饼”
。圣经更没有“弥撒”二字,这都是天主教的“特产”。
他们认为饼与葡萄汁一经祝谢就变成了耶稣的肉和血,而且饼与葡萄汁本身有赐
福的功效,又能帮助人得救。他们认为弥撒是十架牺牲的继续。但圣经说,基督一次献
上(来7:27,9:11-15,26,28,10:10-14,18,彼前1:18-19)。全世界每24小时就有20万
次的苦吗?每一个天主教徒在临离世前要做最后一次弥撒,但只许吃饼,不能喝葡萄汁
,1415年宣布只有祭司可喝。但耶稣不只分饼,也分葡萄汁(路22:17-18)。他们
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你提到的很多不是误解,是事实,比如赎罪券。已经都承认是历史错误了,也纠正了。 : 顺便问问,新教对弥撒有啥意见?
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r**t 发帖数: 115 | 40 They can ask, of course.
I just won't answer.
【在 s*******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个态度也未免太自负了一些。 : bbs的公共版面的发帖原则实际上是有共识的。一旦发帖了,就要做好被七嘴八舌讨论 : 的准备。 : : or
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 41 http://www.chinacatholic.org/XindeNews.asp?Id=13516
12、灵薄狱与炼狱有什么区别呢?灵薄狱还有吗?
爱的心神父:在我们的信经里提到过这个灵薄狱,古文的信经里“我信其下地狱”
,其中的“地
狱”指的就是灵薄狱,在耶稣被埋葬的那三天,就是去灵薄狱。从亚当开始一直到耶稣
基督死时,这段
时间里所有死去的义人们,都在灵薄狱里,因为他们没有得到补赎,所以不能够升天堂
,暂时都在灵
薄狱里。当耶稣的救赎功劳来到世界,在他死后的三天里他首先去了灵薄狱,将那里的
灵魂领到天堂
去。现在有没有灵薄狱还是一个有争议的话题,我还回答不了。炼狱与灵薄狱是不同的
,炼狱一直到
世界的终结才能够结束,它是有期限的,不像天堂地狱是永远存在的。当世界穷尽的时
候,炼狱也就
没有了,它的任务就完成了。
13、教友自杀,他的家人献弥撒可以吗?亡者能得到弥撒的功劳吗?
爱的心神父:在教友自杀这个问题上,教会的态度是,不可以公开地为自杀教友做
弥撒,但私下
里可以做弥撒。因为这涉及到一个表样的问题,特别是在全是教友的村庄,或是一个堂
区,这个教友
被大部分人
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你提到的很多不是误解,是事实,比如赎罪券。已经都承认是历史错误了,也纠正了。 : 顺便问问,新教对弥撒有啥意见?
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q********g 发帖数: 10694 | 42 这个时候,我很怀念李常受,恨不得他老人家复活再来,痛责那些往耶稣基督的救恩上
强加割礼的“教会”。 |
s*******g 发帖数: 535 | 43 问他做什么...
他能够代表新教吗?他能够说出圣公会对于弥撒的态度吗?路德宗的呢?
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你提到的很多不是误解,是事实,比如赎罪券。已经都承认是历史错误了,也纠正了。 : 顺便问问,新教对弥撒有啥意见?
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s*******g 发帖数: 535 | 44 路德和加尔文这么有才华,还抵不上一个圣依那爵.罗耀拉,我看李常受还是乖乖地待
在他该待的地方吧...
【在 q********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个时候,我很怀念李常受,恨不得他老人家复活再来,痛责那些往耶稣基督的救恩上 : 强加割礼的“教会”。
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y****a 发帖数: 243 | 45 for the sake of waterring:)
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Nicene Creed是谁?他经常在那一个版发贴? : : need
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 46 这是谁写的呀?天主教圣餐不用葡萄汁!用酒。对酒精过敏的人和其他不宜喝酒的人,
可以不领圣餐里的酒,但是不能用葡萄汁代替(——后面simonwang有更正)。明显作者不是很了解天主教的么。
当代天主教没有把弥撒和功德挂钩。
至于弥撒的名字,起个名字有什么问题啊?圣经里有提到sermon这个词么?不一样是后
来人起的名字么?我去过的新教教会可是没有反对用sermon这个词的。
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 新教对于崇拜的礼仪方式,没有什么特别的意见 : 但是如果要把这种礼仪,和“救恩”/“功德”挂上钩,那就是万万不可的 : http://www.mitbbs.com/bbsann2/literature.faq/TrustInJesus/theology/M.124 : 9766441_2.T0/%BB%F9%B6%BD%BD%CC%D3%EB%CC%EC%D6%F7%BD%CC%B5%C4%B2%EE%B1%F : 0 : 9、弥撒(圣餐) : 圣经没有说“圣餐”二字,只是标题标上“圣餐”。圣经只说“晚餐”、“擘饼” : 。圣经更没有“弥撒”二字,这都是天主教的“特产”。 : 他们认为饼与葡萄汁一经祝谢就变成了耶稣的肉和血,而且饼与葡萄汁本身有赐 : 福的功效,又能帮助人得救。他们认为弥撒是十架牺牲的继续。但圣经说,基督一次献
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s*******g 发帖数: 535 | 47 如果主祭神父对酒精过敏,确实可以用葡萄汁,不过需要宗座圣礼部批准,50年来没有
一例被批准。
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这是谁写的呀?天主教圣餐不用葡萄汁!用酒。对酒精过敏的人和其他不宜喝酒的人, : 可以不领圣餐里的酒,但是不能用葡萄汁代替(——后面simonwang有更正)。明显作者不是很了解天主教的么。 : 当代天主教没有把弥撒和功德挂钩。 : 至于弥撒的名字,起个名字有什么问题啊?圣经里有提到sermon这个词么?不一样是后 : 来人起的名字么?我去过的新教教会可是没有反对用sermon这个词的。
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 48 呵呵,俗话说:知己知彼……
【在 s*******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 问他做什么... : 他能够代表新教吗?他能够说出圣公会对于弥撒的态度吗?路德宗的呢?
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R******d 发帖数: 644 | 49 恩。接受指正。
【在 s*******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果主祭神父对酒精过敏,确实可以用葡萄汁,不过需要宗座圣礼部批准,50年来没有 : 一例被批准。
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 50 我的意思是說我本來以為天主教只有 Bill Donohue
一個 jerk 而已,現在才知道不是這樣的。
天主教沒有什麼儀式可以退出吧?
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Are you Catholic? : If yes, Thanks be to God. : If not, stopping use 我們天主教 : Bill Donohue is a Catholic, in case you don't know.
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 51 這個居然沒有其他天主教徒駁斥一下,只好我來。
qiaqiafeng, 少賣弄無知了。天主教跟共產黨一向作對的。
【在 q********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 其实“天主教”是中国共产党发明的词。你们接受这个叫法? : 怎么也该说是“圣而公教会”是不是。
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j*****7 发帖数: 10575 | 52 借此机会说说对于“圣餐”的看法。在基督教里,圣礼只有两个:洗礼,圣餐。都是耶
稣基督亲自设立的。
马太26,马克14,路加22都有对于圣餐设立的记载。
路加福音
22:17耶稣接过杯来,祝谢了,说,你们拿这个,大家分着喝。
22:18我告诉你们,从今以后,我不再喝这葡萄汁,直等神的国来到。
22:19又拿起饼来祝谢了,就擘开递给他们,说,这是我的身体,为你们舍的。你们也
应当如此行,为的是记念我。
22:20饭后也照样拿起杯来,说,这杯是用我血所立的新约,是为你们流出来的。
在哥林多前书,保罗从教会生活的角度,解释了圣餐的意义,和做法
11:23我当日传给你们的,原是从主领受的,就是主耶稣被卖的那一夜,拿起饼来,
11:24祝谢了,就擘开,说,这是我的身体,为你们舍的(舍有古卷作擘开)。你们应
当如此行,为的是记念我。
11:25饭后,也照样拿起杯来,说,这杯是用我的血所立的新约。你们每逢喝的时候,
要如此行,为的是记念我。
11:26你们每逢吃这饼,喝这杯,是表明主的死,直等到他来。
11:27所以无论何人,不按理吃主的饼,喝主的杯,就是干犯主的身主的血了。
11:28人应当自己省察 |
G******e 发帖数: 9567 | 53 说的很牛气,还真把自己当个牛人呢。连简单stupid的问题都解决不了,搞那些所谓的
高深的问题有什么用?那些不就是扯吗?这里的人那个不能扯个三天三夜不带重样的?
以为贴个讲义就成了救世主了,doing the whole world a great favor?太不把自己
当人看了。I'll say, save it for yourself, this world has had enough.
一个没走,又来一个,真是有的看呀。
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : They can ask, of course. : I just won't answer.
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 54 記得幾個月前那個“正統神學”嗎? 這類人物哪派都有啊。
【在 G******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 说的很牛气,还真把自己当个牛人呢。连简单stupid的问题都解决不了,搞那些所谓的 : 高深的问题有什么用?那些不就是扯吗?这里的人那个不能扯个三天三夜不带重样的? : 以为贴个讲义就成了救世主了,doing the whole world a great favor?太不把自己 : 当人看了。I'll say, save it for yourself, this world has had enough. : 一个没走,又来一个,真是有的看呀。 : : most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a : matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
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E*****m 发帖数: 25615 | 55 建議樓主, 不想非天主教的插嘴的話,自己弄個俱樂部,很容易的。 |
R******d 发帖数: 644 | 56 最近已经不太作对了.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 這個居然沒有其他天主教徒駁斥一下,只好我來。 : qiaqiafeng, 少賣弄無知了。天主教跟共產黨一向作對的。
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w****r 发帖数: 17566 | 57 因为共产党实质已经资本主义党画了?只差那层皮还没脱掉
【在 R******d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 最近已经不太作对了.
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o**1 发帖数: 6383 | 58 共产党已经不搞共产主义了,但是任何人群的聚集,党还是非常敏感的。
【在 w****r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 因为共产党实质已经资本主义党画了?只差那层皮还没脱掉
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i****l 发帖数: 181 | 59
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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j********a 发帖数: 440 | 60
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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k****1 发帖数: 189 | 61
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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g***a 发帖数: 182 | 62
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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l*****o 发帖数: 116 | 63
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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n***7 发帖数: 47 | 64
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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m***a 发帖数: 59 | 65
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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m****o 发帖数: 329 | 66
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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i***1 发帖数: 137 | 67
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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c********1 发帖数: 552 | 68
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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n*******a 发帖数: 581 | 69
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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i*****e 发帖数: 910 | 70
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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c*******m 发帖数: 131 | 71
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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n*****1 发帖数: 56 | 72
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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r****y 发帖数: 1553 | 73
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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f********r 发帖数: 266 | 74
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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a**********e 发帖数: 977 | 75
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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r******a 发帖数: 192 | 76
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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Y****r 发帖数: 671 | 77
If
Holy Church.
Catholic College (finished Christianity 101)
or Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the
intelligence of the participants.
most difficult to answer (think about questions from 5-year old). It’s a
matter of Faith, you either have the gift or not.
【在 r**t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Please refrain from using this thread to post anything not relate to the : Bible Study. : 1.The Bible Study is for Catholic, not for the outsiders to understand the : Holy Church. : 2.The original audiences of the Bible Study were college students in : Catholic College (finished Christianity 101) : 3.The Bible study will only ask questions and give you reference in Bible or : Catechism. In most case, I will not give you detail answers, I trust the : intelligence of the participants. : 4.I will not answer simple
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