s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 1 Cited from the book by Dave Hunt
That God the Potter (1) has the right to do with men as He pleases, and (2)
endures with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath we do not deny. That is
all, however, that this passage tells us - it does not tell us what His des
ire is.
Numerous other passages, however, do tell us in the clearest terms that God
desires all to come to repentance and the knowledge of the truth, that He is
not willing that any should perish and takes no pleasure in the death of th
e wicked. We have cited these passages already.
There is nothing in Romans 9:20-24 to indicate that God the Potter causes an
yone to be or do evil. Much less does this passage prove, as Calvinists clai
m, that God predestines some to heaven and others to hell.
Paul is referring to God's use of the innate evil of wicked men such as Esau
and Pharaoh, when it suits His purpose, to fulfill His will. In so doing, H
e endures "the contradiction of sinners" (Hebrews 12:3). Nor does the fact t
hat God brings these vessels of wrath to the destruction they deserve prove
that this is His will for them or that they have no choice, much less that t
hey were predestined to destruction. |
j*****7
发帖数: 10575 | 2 这位大解经家，真是太牛了，一针见血，刨析的深入到位
不过可惜在下不才，怎么也没看懂他是如何得出.......结论的
能用你的话
翻译一下大概的意思么
好歹表明你自己理解了这段“解经”
否则只好认为你不过是会玩goog |
s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 3 you need chinese translation?
how do you read John Calvin's book?
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】
: 这位大解经家，真是太牛了，一针见血，刨析的深入到位
: 不过可惜在下不才，怎么也没看懂他是如何得出.......结论的
: 能用你的话
: 翻译一下大概的意思么
: 好歹表明你自己理解了这段“解经”
: 否则只好认为你不过是会玩goog
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 4 sishu, what really matters for you is your personal salvation.
Stopping debating these theological differences. If you don't accept Jesus
as your savoir, you really have no excuse when the judgement day comes since
you have heard the gospel.
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is
des
God
is
th
an
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: Cited from the book by Dave Hunt
: That God the Potter (1) has the right to do with men as He pleases, and (2)
: endures with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath we do not deny. That is
: all, however, that this passage tells us - it does not tell us what His des
: ire is.
: Numerous other passages, however, do tell us in the clearest terms that God
: desires all to come to repentance and the knowledge of the truth, that He is
: not willing that any should perish and takes no pleasure in the death of th
: e wicked. We have cited these passages already.
: There is nothing in Romans 9:20-24 to indicate that God the Potter causes an
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j*****7
发帖数: 10575 | 5 我一定要second这句话
you have heard the gospel.
sishu同学顺便看看我这英文语法没毛病吧？
since
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: sishu, what really matters for you is your personal salvation.
: Stopping debating these theological differences. If you don't accept Jesus
: as your savoir, you really have no excuse when the judgement day comes since
: you have heard the gospel.
:
: )
: is
: des
: God
: is
|
j*****7
发帖数: 10575 | 6 难道你嚣张的气焰
遇到这么一丁点技术问题
就熄火了？
唉，没技术含量，注定了你只能打酱油
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: you need chinese translation?
: how do you read John Calvin's book?
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s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 7 if you only write regarding my personal belief, you can PM me. Again, I bel
ieve all mankind except Calvinists will be saved eventually.
I am rebuking calvinism because I want everyone here to know calvinism is a
cult.
I won't let Calvinists drag you guys to hell.
since
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: sishu, what really matters for you is your personal salvation.
: Stopping debating these theological differences. If you don't accept Jesus
: as your savoir, you really have no excuse when the judgement day comes since
: you have heard the gospel.
:
: )
: is
: des
: God
: is
|
s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 8 if you really cannot read this passage, I will translate for you.
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】
: 难道你嚣张的气焰
: 遇到这么一丁点技术问题
: 就熄火了？
: 唉，没技术含量，注定了你只能打酱油
|
j*****7
发帖数: 10575 | 9 显然不是让你英译汉
而是让你用自己的话表述一下
不好意思，这显然是你一个正宗打酱油的
短板
所在
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: if you really cannot read this passage, I will translate for you.
|
s***u
发帖数: 1911 | 10 好吧，大意是，制陶人和泥土的比喻说明了神的绝对主权，人无法犟嘴，但保罗在这里
丝毫没有支持加尔文那种预定论的意思，神的绝对意愿人无法违抗，神的绝对意愿是什
么？神愿人人得救。
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】
: 显然不是让你英译汉
: 而是让你用自己的话表述一下
: 不好意思，这显然是你一个正宗打酱油的
: 短板
: 所在
|
j*****7
发帖数: 10575 | 11 既然“人人得救”
那还分什么雅各扫罗做什么？
你确认自己读过一遍罗9么？
【在 s***u 的大作中提到】
: 好吧，大意是，制陶人和泥土的比喻说明了神的绝对主权，人无法犟嘴，但保罗在这里
: 丝毫没有支持加尔文那种预定论的意思，神的绝对意愿人无法违抗，神的绝对意愿是什
: 么？神愿人人得救。
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 12 "雅各是我所爱的，以扫是我所恶的。""爱"就是爱，不需要再说了。"恶"呢？恨吗？不
，神不恨人，只恨罪，神爱世人，所以这里的"恶"是与"爱"相比较而言：较不喜欢。但
是，这不代表以扫要被神判为灭亡者，只是他得到的恩赐没有雅各那么多而已。
---福音中国关永添
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TrustInJesus/693309.html
【在 j*****7 的大作中提到】
: 既然“人人得救”
: 那还分什么雅各扫罗做什么？
: 你确认自己读过一遍罗9么？
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