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发帖数: 217 | 1 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/11/world/asia/ordination-of-bish
Ordination of Bishops Increases Tensions Between China and Vatican
By IAN JOHNSON
Published: July 10, 2012
BEIJING — In a sign of rising tensions between the Vatican and China,
authorities in recent days have ordained one Catholic bishop without Rome’s
consent and detained another after he made a dramatic break with the
country’s Communist-run religious hierarchy.
On Friday, government officials organized the consecration of the Rev.
Joseph Yue Fusheng as bishop in the northern city of Harbin. Bishop Yue’s
nomination had not been approved by the Vatican, and reports said bishops
loyal to the Vatican were forced to participate — a common practice meant
to give Beijing-appointed bishops legitimacy in the eyes of local believers.
The Vatican immediately excommunicated him.
Then, on Saturday in Shanghai, the most important city for China’s
Catholics, the Rev. Thaddeus Ma Daqin, a man widely seen as acceptable to
both Beijing and Rome, was consecrated as auxiliary bishop, which would put
him in line to succeed Bishop Aloysius Jin Luxian, 95, who had been approved
by both Beijing and Rome.
But Bishop Ma stunned hundreds of worshipers in the city’s Cathedral of St.
Ignatius by announcing that he would no longer work for the Chinese
Patriotic Catholic Association, the government-run body that oversees
Catholics in China.
“In the light of the teaching of our mother church, as I now serve as a
bishop, I should focus on pastoral work and evangelization,” Bishop Ma told
the crowded church. “Therefore, from this day of consecration, it will no
longer be convenient for me to be a member of the patriotic association.”
The announcement, captured on video and posted on foreign and Chinese Web
sites, was met with sustained applause from the congregation.
Bishop Ma’s fate is unclear. Catholic Church members in Shanghai said he
did not lead Mass on Sunday as scheduled. They say he was taken away after
the service and is being held at the Sheshan Catholic seminary, on the
outskirts of Shanghai.
Several other sources, including the Union of Catholic Asian News, a
Catholic news service, confirmed Bishop Ma’s disappearance, although some
said he was just “resting.”
In Beijing, both the patriotic association and the Foreign Ministry declined
to comment on Tuesday, saying they were unaware of the developments. The
Vatican also declined to comment.
Anthony Lam, a researcher at the Holy Spirit Study Center, a Hong Kong-based
research organization affiliated with the church, said: “This could be
just the work of local officials. We can see this by the government’s
reaction.”
More broadly, however, the incidents involving the two bishops highlight
problems in relations between China and the Vatican. In the 1990s and early
2000s, most bishops were selected by Beijing but also approved by Rome.
Since 2006, however, an estimated six bishops have been consecrated without
Rome’s approval.
Mia Li and Jacob Fromer contributed research from Beijing, and Gaia
Pianigiani contributed reporting from Rome. | l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 2 谁宫的？
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【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/11/world/asia/ordination-of-bish
: Ordination of Bishops Increases Tensions Between China and Vatican
: By IAN JOHNSON
: Published: July 10, 2012
: BEIJING — In a sign of rising tensions between the Vatican and China,
: authorities in recent days have ordained one Catholic bishop without Rome’s
: consent and detained another after he made a dramatic break with the
: country’s Communist-run religious hierarchy.
: On Friday, government officials organized the consecration of the Rev.
: Joseph Yue Fusheng as bishop in the northern city of Harbin. Bishop Yue’s
| i******e
发帖数: 217 | 3 tmouse
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 谁宫的？
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| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 4 了解
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: tmouse
| t****e
发帖数: 2737 | 5 好吧，这就是现状。
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【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/11/world/asia/ordination-of-bish
: Ordination of Bishops Increases Tensions Between China and Vatican
: By IAN JOHNSON
: Published: July 10, 2012
: BEIJING — In a sign of rising tensions between the Vatican and China,
: authorities in recent days have ordained one Catholic bishop without Rome’s
: consent and detained another after he made a dramatic break with the
: country’s Communist-run religious hierarchy.
: On Friday, government officials organized the consecration of the Rev.
: Joseph Yue Fusheng as bishop in the northern city of Harbin. Bishop Yue’s
| i******e
发帖数: 217 | 6 没错，宗教向来就是为统治者服务的工具而已，你尽情enjoy好了
Quote:
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
and by the rulers as useful."
Lucius Annaeus Seneca
【在 t****e 的大作中提到】
: 好吧，这就是现状。
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: ’s
| l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 7 英雄所见略同阿
“Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet”
-Napoleon Bonaparte
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 没错，宗教向来就是为统治者服务的工具而已，你尽情enjoy好了
: Quote:
: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
: and by the rulers as useful."
: Lucius Annaeus Seneca
| t****e
发帖数: 2737 | 8 所以你不要相信国内网上瞎编的，政治影响很大。要真正认识基督教，自己去教堂，结
交现实中的基督徒。
不过，最终我相信不是统治者利用上帝，而是上帝利用统治者。
【在 i******e 的大作中提到】
: 没错，宗教向来就是为统治者服务的工具而已，你尽情enjoy好了
: Quote:
: "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false,
: and by the rulers as useful."
: Lucius Annaeus Seneca
| J*******s
发帖数: 19 | 9 好样的，我就喜欢这样的奴才
【在 t****e 的大作中提到】
: 所以你不要相信国内网上瞎编的，政治影响很大。要真正认识基督教，自己去教堂，结
: 交现实中的基督徒。
: 不过，最终我相信不是统治者利用上帝，而是上帝利用统治者。
| t****e
发帖数: 2737 | 10 当上帝的奴仆，还是罪的奴仆？自己的选择。
【在 J*******s 的大作中提到】
: 好样的，我就喜欢这样的奴才
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