E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 QueerNews 讨论区 】
发信人: Eloihim (真神), 信区: QueerNews
标 题: 這個反同牧師說得不錯啊！
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Oct 20 00:28:05 2012, 美东)
沒看完的請勿評論。 |
h*****b
发帖数: 517 | 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nBiMSA
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 QueerNews 讨论区 】
: 发信人: Eloihim (真神), 信区: QueerNews
: 标 题: 這個反同牧師說得不錯啊！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Oct 20 00:28:05 2012, 美东)
: 沒看完的請勿評論。
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l*****s
发帖数: 240 | 3 不应该歧视同性恋，但现在的同性恋维权者也太高调了
据说英国有人提案停止使用夫妻的称呼来维护同性恋权益，这个有点儿太过了吧
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 QueerNews 讨论区 】
: 发信人: Eloihim (真神), 信区: QueerNews
: 标 题: 這個反同牧師說得不錯啊！
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Oct 20 00:28:05 2012, 美东)
: 沒看完的請勿評論。
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 4
這和支持種族隔離的說法有什麼不同？ 黑人已經有各種權利了， 為什麼還要高調
的要求和白人可以進同個學校？
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: 不应该歧视同性恋，但现在的同性恋维权者也太高调了
: 据说英国有人提案停止使用夫妻的称呼来维护同性恋权益，这个有点儿太过了吧
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l*****s
发帖数: 240 | 5 当然不同。你觉得为了同性恋而必须放弃使用夫妻称谓是很理所当然的？
因为黑人和白人平权了所有的学校都要拆了重建？
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 這和支持種族隔離的說法有什麼不同？ 黑人已經有各種權利了， 為什麼還要高調
: 的要求和白人可以進同個學校？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 6
我不清楚那個提案的內容， 我猜只是各種文件上不強迫配偶中必須有個夫有個妻吧？
可以說明一下嗎？
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: 当然不同。你觉得为了同性恋而必须放弃使用夫妻称谓是很理所当然的？
: 因为黑人和白人平权了所有的学校都要拆了重建？
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l*****s
发帖数: 240 | 7 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2115677/Dont-use-words-
我理解是这样的，婚姻被分为了religious marriage and civil marriage
如果你想坚持使用husband wife这类有关性别的用语的话就要使用religious marriage。
我个人理解religious 这个词的意思是宗教的（如理解有误请指正），如果你不想给自
己的婚姻套上宗教色彩，那好像就要放弃一切和性别有关的词语。
另外，这种“改革”将会造成相当大的经济负担，不仅是政府部门，很多公司也要
update很多他们的文件，软件，网站等等。有这个必要吗？这和种族歧视是两码事，难
道同性恋者觉得有关性别的字眼都是对他们的歧视？
？
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 我不清楚那個提案的內容， 我猜只是各種文件上不強迫配偶中必須有個夫有個妻吧？
: 可以說明一下嗎？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 8 對那個 religious marriage 部份我沒怎麼看懂。 但是整個來說， 其實變動不大，
不是嗎？ 各種文件不是早就不用 wife/ husband 了嗎？ 什麼情況下會需要
用 wife/husband 呢？
marriage。
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2115677/Dont-use-words-
: 我理解是这样的，婚姻被分为了religious marriage and civil marriage
: 如果你想坚持使用husband wife这类有关性别的用语的话就要使用religious marriage。
: 我个人理解religious 这个词的意思是宗教的（如理解有误请指正），如果你不想给自
: 己的婚姻套上宗教色彩，那好像就要放弃一切和性别有关的词语。
: 另外，这种“改革”将会造成相当大的经济负担，不仅是政府部门，很多公司也要
: update很多他们的文件，软件，网站等等。有这个必要吗？这和种族歧视是两码事，难
: 道同性恋者觉得有关性别的字眼都是对他们的歧视？
:
: ？
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E*****m
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E*****m
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E*****m
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 12 多谢，我正在回复我们教会的牧师和弟兄姊妹。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 13 so now you agree with the Bible that homosexuality is a sin?
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
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w*********r
发帖数: 3382 | 14 赞理解能力，也只有这样的理解能力才能对那么多矛盾视而不见
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: so now you agree with the Bible that homosexuality is a sin?
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I******l
发帖数: 486 | 15 Absolutely, just like Christians such as you agree that black and white
segregation best represents biblical values.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: so now you agree with the Bible that homosexuality is a sin?
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 16
regregation best represents biblical values.
why does it say in the Bible that "black and white regregation best
represents biblical values"?
【在 I******l 的大作中提到】
: Absolutely, just like Christians such as you agree that black and white
: segregation best represents biblical values.
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I******l
发帖数: 486 | 17 Here you go. You are welcome.
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In the Bible, God repeatedly warns us against any mixing of races ... and
especially against intermarriage and mongrelization. Some of this has been
overlooked because of imperfect translations out of the Hebrew and Greek
languages in which the Bible was written. Let us examine some of these
passages, carefully noting the exact meaning of the words used in the
original tongues.
From the very beginning, the commandment not to permit mongrelization is
strongly emphasized. For example: EXODUS 33:16 "So shall we he separated,
and all of Thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the
earth." LEVITICUS 20:24 "I am the Lord thy God, which have separated you
from other people."
JOSHUA 23:12-13 "..if ye do in any wise go back and cleave unto the remnant
of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages
with them, and go in unto them and they unto you: know for a certainty that
they shall he snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides and
thorns in your eyes, until ye perish off from this good land which the Lord
your God has given you. "
DEUTERONOMY 7:3 "NEITHER SHALT THOU MAKE MARRIAGES WITH THEM: thy daughter
thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy
son."
Many warnings are given in the Bible not to mate with "the stranger." But
the Hebrew words translated "stranger" in these verses are "ZUWR", "NEKAR",
and "NOKRI...and each one means a person of DIFFERENT RACE FROM OURS.
(There are other Hebrew words "ger" and "toshab"... meaning persons who are
aliens only in a political sense, but of our race.) The warning against race
mixing is always against those "strangers" who are, ZUWR, NEKAR or NOKRI.
For example: PROVERBS 23:27 "For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange
ZUWRI woman is a narrow pit."
The reason for the warning is clear: MONGRELIZATION IS THE WORSE FORM OF "
GENOCIDE". If you kill 99% of a race; but leave the other l% pure-blooded,
they will in time restore the race; but when you mongrelize them, you have
destroyed that race eternally. Once mixed with the Black or Yellow Races,
the White Race would be totally and forever destroyed. Hence, God has
forbidden it.
PSALM 144:11-12 "Rid me and deliver me from the hand of strange [NEKAR]
children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand
of falsehood: That OUR SONS may be as plants grown up in their youth, that
OUR DAUGHTERS may he as the polished cornices of a palace. "
JEREMIAH 2:21, 25 "Yet I planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed. HOW
, THEN, ART THOU TURNED INTO THE DEGENERATE PLANT OF A STRANGE "ZUWR" VINF
UNTO?, ME? * * Withhold thy foot from being unshod, and thy throat from
thirst: but thou saidst There is no hope: no: for I HAVE LOVED STRANGERS (
ZUWR)) AND AFTER THEM WILL I GO."
HOSEA 5:6-7 "They shall go with their flocks and their herds to seek the
Lord, but they shall not find Him: He hath withdrawn Himself from them. THEY
HAVE DEALT TREACHEROUSLY AGAINST THE LORD: FOR THEY HAVE BEGOTTEN STRANGE (
ZUWR) CHILDREN.
NOAH WAS SAVED BECAUSE HE WAS PURE BLOODED, WHILE THOSE AROUND HIM WERE
MONGRELIZED. Genesis 6:2, 4-5 record the forbidden mixing of races, and the
evil results thereof. But of Noah, Genesis 6:9 "Noah was a just man, and
perfect [Hebrew taw-meem without blemish in his generations [Hebrew 'to-led-
aw'....descent, ancestry]. Hence, Noah and his family were saved while the
mongrels were wiped out.
MONGRELIZATION IS THE SIN FOR WHICH SODOM AND GOMORRAH WERE DESTROYED!
JUDE 7 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner
, giving, themselves over to fornication, and GOING AFTER STRANGE FLESH are
set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
Those who seek to force integration in the schools and churches are now
beginning to admit that their real purpose is to bring about RACIAL
INTERMARRIAGE. They have even deceived certain well-meaning but ignorant
clergymen into helping them. Even without intermarriage, JUST ALLOWING
NEGROES INTO THE WHITE CHURCHES IS DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD. Do you say, "I didn'
t see that in my Bible?" That is only because mis-translation conceals it
from you. No doubt, you were puzzled when you read the following:
DEUTERONOMY 23:2 "A bastard shall not enter into the Congregation of the
Lord: even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the Congregation
of the Lord."
You wondered at this, because an illegitimate child is not to blame for the
sins of its parents; and why should the penalty extend for ten generations?
They might all be legitimately born.
But the Hebrew word mistranslated "bastard" is the word "MAMZER": It means a
MIXTURE, A HALF-BREED OR MONGREL. It has nothing to do with whether a child
's parents were married, but it refers to THE FORBIDDEN INTERMIXTURE OF
RACES. THAT IS WHY THE PENALTY EXTENDS FOR TEN GENERATIONS: and it shows how
seriously God treats this sin. It is true that the mulatto child is not to
blame for his parents sins: BUT HE IS STILL A MULATTO. The first generation
would be half-breed; the second would have at least a quarter of the dark
blood; the third at least 1/8; the fourth, 1/16; and so on. IN THE TENTH
GENERATION, THE NEGRO BLOOD MAY BE AS SMALL AS ONE PART IN 1,024 .... YET
GOD HIMSELF SAYS THAT THIS IS TOO MUCH TO BE ALLOWED TO "ENTER INTO THE
CONGREGATION OF THE LORD."
If you admit that YOUR measure those qualities which God so carefully
implanted in the White Race to carry out certain purposes which He has
assigned to them. Recognition that God, Himself, made the races different
does not imply hatred or contempt for any of them: difference has its
purposes, which must be respected. I do not expect the family cat to sing
like a canary, nor the canary to keel) mice out of the kitchen; if I went
quail hunting, I would not expect a horse to point quail for me, neither
would I try to saddle and ride the best hunting dog in the world. All the
family pets are equally loved, and neither is despised because he can't do
what some other does; but each has his own purpose, and trying to mix them
up or interbreed them can only harm them.
I know that there are many people to whom these facts are new. There are
also many who have learned the evil lesson that they can get more money or
more political popularity by violating these laws of God than by obeying
them Some of you may not like to be reminded of these things. But remember,
I did not write the Bible: God wrote it, through His prophets: and
commandments are always right. FOR OUR OWN GOOD, FOR THE VERY SURVIVAL OF
OUR WHITE RACE UPON THE EARTH, AND THAT WE MAY FACE OUR GOD WITH A BETTER
CONSCIENCE, WE HAD BETTER OBEY THESE LAWS OF GOD.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: regregation best represents biblical values.
: why does it say in the Bible that "black and white regregation best
: represents biblical values"?
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l******a
发帖数: 1203 | 18 Galatians 3:28 ESV
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no
male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. |
l******a
发帖数: 1203 | 19 God與人的盟約一共有幾次？最近的一次是哪一次？最近的一次訂立了怎樣的盟約？ |
I******l
发帖数: 486 | 20 Interesting. what's your point then? The verses quoted in my post are also
from the bible.
no
【在 l******a 的大作中提到】
: Galatians 3:28 ESV
: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no
: male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
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l******a
发帖数: 1203 | 21 如果你能回答我的問題，你就知道我的point了：God與人的盟約一共有幾次？最近的一
次是哪一次？最近的一次訂立了怎樣的盟約？
【在 I******l 的大作中提到】
: Interesting. what's your point then? The verses quoted in my post are also
: from the bible.
:
: no
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I******l
发帖数: 486 | 22 You know, I have a question too. Is there any part of the bible that has
been nullified by God?
【在 l******a 的大作中提到】
: 如果你能回答我的問題，你就知道我的point了：God與人的盟約一共有幾次？最近的一
: 次是哪一次？最近的一次訂立了怎樣的盟約？
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l******a
发帖数: 1203 | 23 哈哈，你問到點子上了，什麽叫“舊約”，什麽叫“新約”？
【在 I******l 的大作中提到】
: You know, I have a question too. Is there any part of the bible that has
: been nullified by God?
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 24 两本人写的神话故事集，一部比较早，一部比较新
【在 l******a 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，你問到點子上了，什麽叫“舊約”，什麽叫“新約”？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 25
I agree that bible said homosexuality is a sin, just like eating pork.
I also agree bible is nonsense, just like you still eat pork.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: so now you agree with the Bible that homosexuality is a sin?
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 26
so why do you post something that you think is nonsense?
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: I agree that bible said homosexuality is a sin, just like eating pork.
: I also agree bible is nonsense, just like you still eat pork.
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x***x
发帖数: 3401 | 27 To show how ironic and nonsense Christianity is, i guess?
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: so why do you post something that you think is nonsense?
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 28
To show the stuff you believe is nonsense. Any question?
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: so why do you post something that you think is nonsense?
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 29 I agree homosexuality is a sin, just like death is a sin, heterosexuality
after Eden's fall is a sin. Homosexuality is considered extremely immoral
in the Bible, it may not be completely true in today's Christian society.
It is because a sin is defined as short of God's glory. Sin does not change
with time until abolished by God, it is absolute and universal. However,
the human attitudes towards sins, so called morality does change with time,
is relative and personal.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: so now you agree with the Bible that homosexuality is a sin?
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 30
change
,
看不出你為啥還需要神， 你自己都能判斷是非好壞了。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: I agree homosexuality is a sin, just like death is a sin, heterosexuality
: after Eden's fall is a sin. Homosexuality is considered extremely immoral
: in the Bible, it may not be completely true in today's Christian society.
: It is because a sin is defined as short of God's glory. Sin does not change
: with time until abolished by God, it is absolute and universal. However,
: the human attitudes towards sins, so called morality does change with time,
: is relative and personal.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 31
death is the result of sin, not a sin per se.
heterosexuality is God's creation and not a sin within marriage.
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: I agree homosexuality is a sin, just like death is a sin, heterosexuality
: after Eden's fall is a sin. Homosexuality is considered extremely immoral
: in the Bible, it may not be completely true in today's Christian society.
: It is because a sin is defined as short of God's glory. Sin does not change
: with time until abolished by God, it is absolute and universal. However,
: the human attitudes towards sins, so called morality does change with time,
: is relative and personal.
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 32 罪是亏缺了神的荣耀。在上帝完全的荣耀里本没有死，死是罪的工价，但死本身就是罪
，是生命的亏缺。如果死不是罪，难以回答婴儿的死。耶稣说看到妇人起淫念就是罪，
失乐园后有谁对异性不起性欲，那是因为诱惑不够或散失了性功能。
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: death is the result of sin, not a sin per se.
: heterosexuality is God's creation and not a sin within marriage.
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 33 判断好坏不能让自己得救。而且人的判断是历史的，相对的和个人的。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: change
: ,
: 看不出你為啥還需要神， 你自己都能判斷是非好壞了。
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 34
这么说，你承认你犯过奸淫了，对吧？
你犯了奸淫该怎么办？请搜索“论证：男基督徒们都应该挥剑自宫”。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 罪是亏缺了神的荣耀。在上帝完全的荣耀里本没有死，死是罪的工价，但死本身就是罪
: ，是生命的亏缺。如果死不是罪，难以回答婴儿的死。耶稣说看到妇人起淫念就是罪，
: 失乐园后有谁对异性不起性欲，那是因为诱惑不够或散失了性功能。
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 35
这么说，你承认你犯过奸淫了，对吧？
你犯了奸淫该怎么办？请看旧帖：
首先，基督教徒们上了天堂以后应该是不可以有性生活的。这是因为：
1）天堂里没有夫妻。耶稣讲：“当复活的时候，人也不娶也不嫁，乃像天上的使者一
样。”[马太福音 22：30]
2）杂交又不太可能，基督教从来把杂交看成极大的罪。
因此，结论只能是：天堂里没有性生活。
其次，耶稣讲，凡是见到妇女动了淫念的就是犯了奸淫。按照这个标准呢，乖乖隆的东
，我看几乎所有的男性基督教徒们（以下简称男基）都是犯过奸淫的。（有哪只男基没
有犯过奸淫的，请吱一声，本人要想你表达崇高的敬意！）想想看，如今年代，电影电
视上帅哥美女多如牛毛，“挑战极限”的激情演出此起彼伏，要说有一两只男基不曾血
脉膨胀我还觉得有可能，毕竟有人心理或生理有问题嘛。但要是说有很多男基面对如此
诱惑不曾动过淫念，我是不相信的。动了淫念，就是犯了奸淫了。既然几乎所有的男基
都犯了奸淫，该怎么做呢？耶稣的教导是很清楚的：如果眼睛让你跌倒，就把眼睛挖出
来；如果手让你跌倒，就把手砍下来。以此类推，犯了奸淫自然就该挥剑自宫了。
有位基督教徒辩解说，自宫并不解决问题，并举出了有性无能者性犯罪的例子。我认为
这只是极端的例子，不应推而广之。对绝大多数的男基来说，自宫应该是可以解决问题
的。
还有位教徒辩解说，耶稣的教导不因该从字面上去理解。不过，结合天堂没有性生活的
结论，我们有理由认为耶稣的教导实在大有深意。为什么呢？大家想一想，假如男基们
没有挥剑自宫就上了天堂，会发生什么事呢？从基督教的很多文艺作品看来，天堂里美
女很多，更糟糕的是，这些美女通常穿得很少。我不太清楚这些男基们到了天堂，看见
这么多穿得很少的美女，会不会动淫念犯奸淫？我的猜测是：多半会犯的。这样一来，
事情恐怕有点不太妙：男基们的那点龌龊念头，全知全能的“神”岂能不知？如果惹得
上帝很生气，后果一定很严重！
根据上面的推理，我认为，男基们还是自宫了的好。否则，只怕在天堂里呆不长啊！各
位男基好自为之吧。
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本来我们简称男性基督教徒为“公基”，但是有些公基认为这是对他们的不尊重，本人
向来从善如流，特改简称为“男基”，以示尊重。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 罪是亏缺了神的荣耀。在上帝完全的荣耀里本没有死，死是罪的工价，但死本身就是罪
: ，是生命的亏缺。如果死不是罪，难以回答婴儿的死。耶稣说看到妇人起淫念就是罪，
: 失乐园后有谁对异性不起性欲，那是因为诱惑不够或散失了性功能。
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l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 36 不是高调低调问题，而是强迫普通人改变，强迫别人接受，攻击破坏传统世俗观念和习
惯，赤裸裸的“强奸”
就像邪教，你必须尊重接受我的一切，但是我从来不用尊重你的习惯和观点
其实反对同性恋和歧视没什么关系，而是正常人的价值观和传统要被颠覆，搞乱而进行
的自我保护和捍卫
好比人都是吃饭的，现在有人非要吃屎，还说吃屎是正常的，是有价值的，不但自己吃
的津津有味，还强迫别人观摩、接受还不能恶心呕吐，斜视，不能反对，甚至强迫别人
也尝一尝。否则就是什么歧视，什么不公平。天底下哪儿有这样的逻辑？你自己特立独
行，爱的死去活来你一边爱去，没人会干涉你，没人会对你说什么。但是你非要跳出来
跑到公众面前要求什么所谓的权利（事实上他们相爱同居的权利全都好好的存在着），
打碎别人的价值观，强迫别人观摩，强迫别人接受，甚至强迫别人改变价值观，这叫什
么事？？？？？
【在 l*****s 的大作中提到】
: 不应该歧视同性恋，但现在的同性恋维权者也太高调了
: 据说英国有人提案停止使用夫妻的称呼来维护同性恋权益，这个有点儿太过了吧
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 37 难怪你的队友都嫌弃你是猪一样的队友，你看人是用猪的目光：分公母；你看圣经自然
也是用猪的思想，不值一哂。我作为一个基督徒用人的思想来理解圣经，认为人没有能
力凭自己消灭有些罪，譬如死亡，譬如失乐园后的性。但我们能用过一个爱神爱人的生
活来战胜死亡；我们能用婚姻和家庭的生活来控制性。这就是人和猪的不同。老七，用
你猪一样的理解，你觉得你自己要象猪一样在泥潭里淫乱，还是想成为猪里的圣者将自
己阉割？
“Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible
propositions. " I love it.
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: 这么说，你承认你犯过奸淫了，对吧？
: 你犯了奸淫该怎么办？请看旧帖：
: 首先，基督教徒们上了天堂以后应该是不可以有性生活的。这是因为：
: 1）天堂里没有夫妻。耶稣讲：“当复活的时候，人也不娶也不嫁，乃像天上的使者一
: 样。”[马太福音 22：30]
: 2）杂交又不太可能，基督教从来把杂交看成极大的罪。
: 因此，结论只能是：天堂里没有性生活。
: 其次，耶稣讲，凡是见到妇女动了淫念的就是犯了奸淫。按照这个标准呢，乖乖隆的东
: ，我看几乎所有的男性基督教徒们（以下简称男基）都是犯过奸淫的。（有哪只男基没
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 38 没有人强迫你变成同性恋，也没有人能够将你变成同性恋。正如你说的你反对不尊重他
人的习惯和观点，那么你为什么不能尊重同性恋的习惯和观点？所谓“正常人的价值观
和传统”，有没有包括黑奴制度和种族隔离，在当时都被认为是“正常人的价值观和传
统”。
你随后的比如就将自己下降到和老七一个水平了。
“跑到公众面前要求什么所谓的权利”， 你知道你在说什么吗？请看现行的法律对同
性恋的歧视：
“The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) (Pub.L. 104–199, 110 Stat. 2419,
enacted September 21, 1996, 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C) is a
United States federal law that restricts federal marriage benefits and
required inter-state marriage recognition to only opposite-sex marriages in
the United States. The law passed both houses of Congress by large
majorities and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21
, 1996. Section 3 of DOMA codifies the non-recognition of same-sex marriages
for all federal purposes, including insurance benefits for government
employees, Social Security survivors' benefits, immigration, and the filing
of joint tax returns.”
“Section 7.5 of the Declaration of Rights, to the California Constitution,
which provides that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or
recognized in California."”
反对DOMA的意见可以用Attorney General Eric Holder 的statement 来概括：
“After careful consideration, including a review of my recommendation, the
President has concluded that given a number of factors, including a
documented history of discrimination, classifications based on sexual
orientation should be subject to a more heightened standard of scrutiny. The
President has also concluded that section 3 of DOMA, as applied to legally
married same-sex couples, fails to meet that standard and is therefore
unconstitutional. Given that conclusion, the President has instructed the
Department not to defend the statute in such cases.”
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 不是高调低调问题，而是强迫普通人改变，强迫别人接受，攻击破坏传统世俗观念和习
: 惯，赤裸裸的“强奸”
: 就像邪教，你必须尊重接受我的一切，但是我从来不用尊重你的习惯和观点
: 其实反对同性恋和歧视没什么关系，而是正常人的价值观和传统要被颠覆，搞乱而进行
: 的自我保护和捍卫
: 好比人都是吃饭的，现在有人非要吃屎，还说吃屎是正常的，是有价值的，不但自己吃
: 的津津有味，还强迫别人观摩、接受还不能恶心呕吐，斜视，不能反对，甚至强迫别人
: 也尝一尝。否则就是什么歧视，什么不公平。天底下哪儿有这样的逻辑？你自己特立独
: 行，爱的死去活来你一边爱去，没人会干涉你，没人会对你说什么。但是你非要跳出来
: 跑到公众面前要求什么所谓的权利（事实上他们相爱同居的权利全都好好的存在着），
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 39
“死是罪的工价“ agree
“但死本身就是罪“ disagree.
"妇人起淫念就是罪" agree. but heterosexuality is God's creation 神 看 着
一 切 所 造 的 都 甚 好 .
"如果死不是罪，难以回答婴儿的死" sorry I don't follow the argument.
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 罪是亏缺了神的荣耀。在上帝完全的荣耀里本没有死，死是罪的工价，但死本身就是罪
: ，是生命的亏缺。如果死不是罪，难以回答婴儿的死。耶稣说看到妇人起淫念就是罪，
: 失乐园后有谁对异性不起性欲，那是因为诱惑不够或散失了性功能。
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 40
reason?
Adam and Eve was God's creation
All man all sinned or infants are not sinned but died.
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
:
: “死是罪的工价“ agree
: “但死本身就是罪“ disagree.
: "妇人起淫念就是罪" agree. but heterosexuality is God's creation 神 看 着
: 一 切 所 造 的 都 甚 好 .
: "如果死不是罪，难以回答婴儿的死" sorry I don't follow the argument.
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 41 罪这个问题，欢迎你到bible study club 继续与弟兄姐妹分享讨论。
http://www.mitbbs.com/club_bbsdoc/BibleStudy.html
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
:
: reason?
: Adam and Eve was God's creation
: All man all sinned or infants are not sinned but died.
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 42 谢谢，一直在和教会的牧师及弟兄姊妹讨论。感觉我的神学观点会和俱乐部有些弟兄姊
妹有明显不同，不希望成为绊脚石。
【在 l**********t 的大作中提到】
: 罪这个问题，欢迎你到bible study club 继续与弟兄姐妹分享讨论。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/club_bbsdoc/BibleStudy.html
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 43 和别人不同不代表不好不对。我不是很清楚你的神学观点，我也不是学神学的，不过Ｂ
ｉｂｌｅＳｔｕｄｙＣｌｕｂ因该有灵命深的弟兄姊妹参与讨论。
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢，一直在和教会的牧师及弟兄姊妹讨论。感觉我的神学观点会和俱乐部有些弟兄姊
: 妹有明显不同，不希望成为绊脚石。
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 44
我的论证，你反驳得了吗？按照耶稣的说法，犯了奸淫该怎么办？嗯？！
人分男女。但是基们丧失人性，还算是人吗？所以论基们时分公母有何不可？
【在 t*******r 的大作中提到】
: 难怪你的队友都嫌弃你是猪一样的队友，你看人是用猪的目光：分公母；你看圣经自然
: 也是用猪的思想，不值一哂。我作为一个基督徒用人的思想来理解圣经，认为人没有能
: 力凭自己消灭有些罪，譬如死亡，譬如失乐园后的性。但我们能用过一个爱神爱人的生
: 活来战胜死亡；我们能用婚姻和家庭的生活来控制性。这就是人和猪的不同。老七，用
: 你猪一样的理解，你觉得你自己要象猪一样在泥潭里淫乱，还是想成为猪里的圣者将自
: 己阉割？
: “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible
: propositions. " I love it.
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