z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 1 申命记
22:28 若有男子遇见没有许配人的处女，抓住她，与她行淫，被人看见，
22:29 这男子就要拿五十舍客勒银子给女子的父亲。因他玷污了这女子，就要娶她为妻
，终身不可休她。
根据基们“全知全能”的主子的启示：强奸处女之后对强奸犯的惩罚是：给被强奸的女
子的父亲一点点银子，然后娶被强奸的女子为妻。
现代世界的法律严重违背了基们“全知全能”的主子的启示。建议基督徒们游行示威要
求修改有关强奸的法律。
注：“五十舍客勒银子”最多相当于 30 盎司白银。按现在的银价，“五十舍客勒银子
”价值不到七百美元。 |
J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 2 申命记22:13-30是有关婚姻中不忠的法律。目的是具体化十诫中有关婚姻中不忠那条戒
律。
Duet22:13-21
13 If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her 14 and
slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but
when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” 15 then the
young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate
proof that she was a virgin. 16 Her father will say to the elders, “I gave
my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has
slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But
here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall
display the cloth before the elders of the town, 18 and the elders shall
take the man and punish him. 19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels[a] of
silver and give them to the young woman’s father, because this man has
given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he
must not divorce her as long as he lives.
20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s
virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s
house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done
an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father
’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.
申命记２２：１３－２１
13 人 若 娶 妻 ， 与 他 同 房 之 後 恨 恶 他 ，
14 信 口 说 他 ， 将 丑 名 加 在 他 身 上 ， 说 ： 我 娶 了 这 女 子 ， 与
他 同 房 ， 见 他 没 有 贞 洁 的 凭 据 ；
15 女 子 的 父 母 就 要 把 女 子 贞 洁 的 凭 据 拿 出 来 ， 带 到 本 城 门
长 老 那 里 。
16 女 子 的 父 亲 要 对 长 老 说 ： 我 将 我 的 女 儿 给 这 人 为 妻 ， 他
恨 恶 他 ，
17 信 口 说 他 ， 说 ： 我 见 你 的 女 儿 没 有 贞 洁 的 凭 据 ； 其 实 这
就 是 我 女 儿 贞 洁 的 凭 据 。 父 母 就 把 那 布 铺 在 本 城 的 长 老 面
前 。
18 本 城 的 长 老 要 拿 住 那 人 ， 惩 治 他 ，
19 并 要 罚 他 一 百 舍 客 勒 银 子 ， 给 女 子 的 父 亲 ， 因 为 他 将 丑
名 加 在 以 色 列 的 一 个 处 女 身 上 。 女 子 仍 作 他 的 妻 ， 终 身 不
可 休 他 。
20 但 这 事 若 是 真 的 ， 女 子 没 有 贞 洁 的 凭 据 ，
21 就 要 将 女 子 带 到 他 父 家 的 门 口 ， 本 城 的 人 要 用 石 头 将 他
打 死 ； 因 为 他 在 父 家 行 了 淫 乱 ， 在 以 色 列 中 做 了 丑 事 。 这
样 ， 就 把 那 恶 从 你 们 中 间 除 掉 。
大家可以看到，摩西的法律注明如果一个少女结婚时不是处女，她将被处死。
楼主引的那条 申命记22:28-29，就是为了不让被强奸的处女被处死的法律，其实是保
护被强奸的女性的法律。完全被楼主断章取义了。
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
: 申命记
: 22:28 若有男子遇见没有许配人的处女，抓住她，与她行淫，被人看见，
: 22:29 这男子就要拿五十舍客勒银子给女子的父亲。因他玷污了这女子，就要娶她为妻
: ，终身不可休她。
: 根据基们“全知全能”的主子的启示：强奸处女之后对强奸犯的惩罚是：给被强奸的女
: 子的父亲一点点银子，然后娶被强奸的女子为妻。
: 现代世界的法律严重违背了基们“全知全能”的主子的启示。建议基督徒们游行示威要
: 求修改有关强奸的法律。
: 注：“五十舍客勒银子”最多相当于 30 盎司白银。按现在的银价，“五十舍客勒银子
: ”价值不到七百美元。
|
G*M
发帖数: 6042 | 3 老耶确实没啥能耐，自称是“神”，连个摩西的法律都搞不定，只能让被强奸的女子嫁
给强奸犯。
所以本老时不时打老耶的屁股，基督徒们不要不服气。
楼主引的那条 申命记22:28-29，就是为了不让被强奸的处女被处死的法律，其实是保
护被强奸的女性的法律。完全被楼主断章取义了。
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: 申命记22:13-30是有关婚姻中不忠的法律。目的是具体化十诫中有关婚姻中不忠那条戒
: 律。
: Duet22:13-21
: 13 If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her 14 and
: slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but
: when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” 15 then the
: young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate
: proof that she was a virgin. 16 Her father will say to the elders, “I gave
: my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has
: slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But
|
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 4 罗马书 11:33 深哉，神丰富的智慧和知识。他的判断，何其难测，他的踪迹，
何其难寻， |
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 5
摩西的法律合理吗？
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: 申命记22:13-30是有关婚姻中不忠的法律。目的是具体化十诫中有关婚姻中不忠那条戒
: 律。
: Duet22:13-21
: 13 If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her 14 and
: slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but
: when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” 15 then the
: young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate
: proof that she was a virgin. 16 Her father will say to the elders, “I gave
: my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has
: slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But
|
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 6
“一个少女结婚时不是处女，她将被处死”，这其实也是你家主子的法律，是不是？你
家主子的这条法律合理吗？
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: 申命记22:13-30是有关婚姻中不忠的法律。目的是具体化十诫中有关婚姻中不忠那条戒
: 律。
: Duet22:13-21
: 13 If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her 14 and
: slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but
: when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,” 15 then the
: young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate
: proof that she was a virgin. 16 Her father will say to the elders, “I gave
: my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her. 17 Now he has
: slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But
|
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 7 看2楼某基的“解释”，说我“断章取义”。。。。。。
多年来，基们的弱智程度一直在挑战我的想象力。 |
J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 8 What's wrong with my explanation?
Why don't you cite all Duet 22:13-30. What are you trying to hide?
You seems understand my explanation in your previous replies but now is
someone
else using your account? How many people use this account? Your style
changes so fast. Where is the guy keep asking "answer me, answer me"?
Yes. I do like you now more.
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
: 看2楼某基的“解释”，说我“断章取义”。。。。。。
: 多年来，基们的弱智程度一直在挑战我的想象力。
|
G*M
发帖数: 6042 | 9 你太搞笑了。谁说飞机不批判Duet 22:13-30？
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: What's wrong with my explanation?
: Why don't you cite all Duet 22:13-30. What are you trying to hide?
: You seems understand my explanation in your previous replies but now is
: someone
: else using your account? How many people use this account? Your style
: changes so fast. Where is the guy keep asking "answer me, answer me"?
: Yes. I do like you now more.
|
b*****d
发帖数: 7166 | 10 ‘楼主引的那条 申命记22:28-29，就是为了不让被强奸的处女被处死的法律，其实是
保护被强奸的女性的法律。完全被楼主断章取义了。’
嫁给强奸犯是为了保护妇女？这样的法律不是等于鼓励强奸吗？
可不可处死强奸犯，最多妇女不嫁人呢？ |
|
|
J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 11 I am in no way an expert on Mosaic law. But I believe this is because after
man lied with a woman, they became one flesh (may have symbolic meaning), so
they shouldn't be seperated according to the law.
Genesis 2
24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife,
and they become one flesh.
First, this idea is sinful. Second, the raper need to pay a lot of money.
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: ‘楼主引的那条 申命记22:28-29，就是为了不让被强奸的处女被处死的法律，其实是
: 保护被强奸的女性的法律。完全被楼主断章取义了。’
: 嫁给强奸犯是为了保护妇女？这样的法律不是等于鼓励强奸吗？
: 可不可处死强奸犯，最多妇女不嫁人呢？
|
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 12 你的“解释”是基于另外一条你家主子的荒谬的“法律”。你这是以另外一个荒谬来证
明这个荒谬的“合理性”。
按照你家主子的法律，非处女结婚要被处死。你认为这合理吗？
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: What's wrong with my explanation?
: Why don't you cite all Duet 22:13-30. What are you trying to hide?
: You seems understand my explanation in your previous replies but now is
: someone
: else using your account? How many people use this account? Your style
: changes so fast. Where is the guy keep asking "answer me, answer me"?
: Yes. I do like you now more.
|
b*****d
发帖数: 7166 | 13 你需要是摩西法的专家才能看出这种保护强奸犯的做法是否合理？
难怪圣经里那么多强奸，屠杀都不能影响你的信心。你能在中国的经典里找到像圣经这
样鼓吹强奸和屠杀的吗？
是不是你又要说屠杀和强奸都不能按字面理解？
after
so
wife,
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: I am in no way an expert on Mosaic law. But I believe this is because after
: man lied with a woman, they became one flesh (may have symbolic meaning), so
: they shouldn't be seperated according to the law.
: Genesis 2
: 24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife,
: and they become one flesh.
:
: First, this idea is sinful. Second, the raper need to pay a lot of money.
|
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 14
after
so
一个男人强奸了一个女人，不管这个女人怎么想，这对男女就必须在一起了。你认为这
很合理，是吧？请明确一下。
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: I am in no way an expert on Mosaic law. But I believe this is because after
: man lied with a woman, they became one flesh (may have symbolic meaning), so
: they shouldn't be seperated according to the law.
: Genesis 2
: 24 That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife,
: and they become one flesh.
:
: First, this idea is sinful. Second, the raper need to pay a lot of money.
|
J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 15 I am not trying to prove anything. I just show how I understand this passage
.
Talking about marriage, I believe it is not good to divorce. So it is good
that one man and one women after sex should not seperate (become one flesh).
They are supposed to marry first and then have sex. People need to be very
very serious about sex.
If we have an agreement on this basic idea about marriage, then forced
marriage after rape is probably the only choice.
God want to keep Israel pure and righteous. I know stone people to death is
cruel. Again, we are talking about a law around 1300BC. Think about what law
in China looks like at that time.
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 你需要是摩西法的专家才能看出这种保护强奸犯的做法是否合理？
: 难怪圣经里那么多强奸，屠杀都不能影响你的信心。你能在中国的经典里找到像圣经这
: 样鼓吹强奸和屠杀的吗？
: 是不是你又要说屠杀和强奸都不能按字面理解？
:
: after
: so
: wife,
|
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 16 以赛亚书 28:29 这也是出于万军之耶和华。他的谋略奇妙，他的智慧广大。
罗马书 11:33 深哉，神丰富的智慧和知识。他的判断，何其难测，他的踪迹，
何其难寻，
多么奇妙的谋略！多么广大的智慧！
男人强奸处女之后，只需要交给被强奸的女子的父亲大约七百美元，娶被强奸的女子为
妻。
深哉，基们主子丰富的智慧和知识。基们主子的判断，何其难测，他的踪迹，何其难寻
！ |
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 17
“law around 1300BC”，so？那是你家“全知全能”“看千年如一日”的主子定下的
规矩！
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: I am not trying to prove anything. I just show how I understand this passage
: .
: Talking about marriage, I believe it is not good to divorce. So it is good
: that one man and one women after sex should not seperate (become one flesh).
: They are supposed to marry first and then have sex. People need to be very
: very serious about sex.
: If we have an agreement on this basic idea about marriage, then forced
: marriage after rape is probably the only choice.
: God want to keep Israel pure and righteous. I know stone people to death is
: cruel. Again, we are talking about a law around 1300BC. Think about what law
|
b*****d
发帖数: 7166 | 18 被强奸妇女可以选择不结婚啊。为什么不惩罚强奸犯而惩罚被强奸的妇女呢？
我认为没有妇女会愿意嫁给强奸自己的人。如果你是妇女你愿意吗？
最多当尼姑一生不结婚啊。
passage
).
very
is
law
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: I am not trying to prove anything. I just show how I understand this passage
: .
: Talking about marriage, I believe it is not good to divorce. So it is good
: that one man and one women after sex should not seperate (become one flesh).
: They are supposed to marry first and then have sex. People need to be very
: very serious about sex.
: If we have an agreement on this basic idea about marriage, then forced
: marriage after rape is probably the only choice.
: God want to keep Israel pure and righteous. I know stone people to death is
: cruel. Again, we are talking about a law around 1300BC. Think about what law
|
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 19
搞清楚“What's wrong with your explanation”了吗？
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
: What's wrong with my explanation?
: Why don't you cite all Duet 22:13-30. What are you trying to hide?
: You seems understand my explanation in your previous replies but now is
: someone
: else using your account? How many people use this account? Your style
: changes so fast. Where is the guy keep asking "answer me, answer me"?
: Yes. I do like you now more.
|
s*********t
发帖数: 4253 | 20 被耶稣废除的圣经古代律法。想不到，还有人谈的占占有味。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】
: 被强奸妇女可以选择不结婚啊。为什么不惩罚强奸犯而惩罚被强奸的妇女呢？
: 我认为没有妇女会愿意嫁给强奸自己的人。如果你是妇女你愿意吗？
: 最多当尼姑一生不结婚啊。
:
: passage
: ).
: very
: is
: law
|
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G*M
发帖数: 6042 | 21 什么时候废除的？
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】
: 被耶稣废除的圣经古代律法。想不到，还有人谈的占占有味。
|
s*********t
发帖数: 4253 | |
G*M
发帖数: 6042 | 23 “天地废去，律法的一笔一划都不能废去” 是放屁吗？
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】
: 【圣殿里的幔子裂为两半时】
|
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 24
楼上有人引用的经文说明律法被废除的说法不成立。
退一万步说，就算被废除了，那也是你家“全知全能”“看千年如一日”的主子曾经立
下的法律，同样能表现你家主子深不可测的智慧：强奸处女之后只要出点钱再娶那个女
子为妻就行了。
你认为你家主子的这个智慧是不是很奇妙？
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】
: 被耶稣废除的圣经古代律法。想不到，还有人谈的占占有味。
|
s*********t
发帖数: 4253 | 25 旧约圣经有上帝的律法和摩西律法。
上帝的律法一笔一划都不能废去。
【在 G*M 的大作中提到】
: “天地废去，律法的一笔一划都不能废去” 是放屁吗？
:
:
|
G*M
发帖数: 6042 | 26 本老又要考考你是不是真基了：要是你的宝贝女儿被强奸了，你是否至此她与强奸犯结
婚？
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】
: 旧约圣经有上帝的律法和摩西律法。
: 上帝的律法一笔一划都不能废去。
|
s*********t
发帖数: 4253 | 27 你先找个时光机带我到古时代，再问我这问题好吗？
p/s: 你jjww聊圣经已早废除的古代教义，烦不烦啊？
星期天不出去玩么？
【在 G*M 的大作中提到】
: 本老又要考考你是不是真基了：要是你的宝贝女儿被强奸了，你是否至此她与强奸犯结
: 婚？
|
J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 28 Thank you! I am bursting into tears. Finally, a non-Christian can understand
me. |
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 29
首先，按照“圣经”，你说的这个“古代犹太人的律法”其实是基们“全知全能”的主
子的律法。
其次，请问你认为基们主子“非处该死”的这个律法公平吗？ |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 30 你理解的神是個很窩囊的神， 連把正確道德拿來貫徹都辦不到， 還要小心翼翼
的別和社會價值衝突太大， 窩囊透了。
Jason 在大聲叫好就不知道怎麼回事了。 |
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a**u
发帖数: 8107 | 31 看来圣经有时代局限性啊，不过基督徒能答应圣经有局限性吗？ |
d******r
发帖数: 5008 | 32 作为只读过一点圣经的，被人糊弄成这样，我可以理解。
把圣经通读一遍后，你会发现这是在扇耶稣的耳光。 |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 33 歡迎啊！
不過你讀聖經真的沒有讀到這個神威逼利诱要人愛他尊敬他？ 你要不要再
讀一下？ |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 35
另外，給你科普一下， 不信的下地獄的觀念就是新約才有的，
猶太教都沒地獄的， 這個你覺得算威逼嗎？ |
d******r
发帖数: 5008 | 36
新约里，耶稣说不和他相合就是敌他的。
还教人把不信他的拖到他面前杀了，这个
不知道算民主不? |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 37
舊約最多石頭砸死，死了一了百了。
新約則是送你下地獄『永遠』的BBQ 你。 你覺得哪個慘？ |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 38
補充一下，這是『正統』基的解釋， 耶証這類異端基也有認為
不信的死了就沒事的。
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: 舊約最多石頭砸死，死了一了百了。
: 新約則是送你下地獄『永遠』的BBQ 你。 你覺得哪個慘？
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 39
圣经中描述的“神”，如果真的存在的话，这个“神”耶和华/耶稣是一个肮脏的下流
的血型的龌龊的“神”。看看“圣经”描写的这个“神”干的这些事：
--- 耶和华/耶稣 让人们在光天化日之下奸污妇女。
--- 耶和华/耶稣 多次大规模屠杀妇女儿童，甚至还特别强调连还在吃奶的婴儿都要杀！
--- 耶和华/耶稣 甚至__主动地__有意地__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉！（有些基督徒“
解释”说“那些人”如何如何坏，这是要惩罚那些人。我的回应很简单：就算“那些人
”罪大恶极好了，耶和华用“__使__人们吃自己儿女的肉”这样邪恶的方法来惩罚人，
足以说明基督教的“神”是何等的邪恶！）
--- 耶和华/耶稣 故意露女人的下体给别人看。
--- 耶和华/耶稣 故意在人们脸上抹粪。
。。。。。。。
你认为“圣经”描写的这个“神”是个好东西吗？ |
E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 40
哈！ 你這樣永遠理解不了聖經的。
沒人對上帝有意見， 大家聊聊而已。 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 41 旧约里耶和华要求的只是犹太人信他，不信得他会降各种灾下来，譬如诅咒人的面盆什
么的
新约里其实本来也没要求非犹太人信，耶稣把非犹太人比喻成吃小孩子（犹太人）桌子
上掉下来的渣滓的狗，顺便说下狗在犹太人语言里可是个非常不尊重的词 |
J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 42
Are you saying God should hold our hands so that we can be righteous?
Isn't it great that we have freedom?
God want us to have some freedom and be righteous.
I saw someone who are really thinking in context, thinking deep, they have
open minds, they are acceptable to ideas that are new to them. They are
listening.
Many fanji thought they have figure things all out. They don't need new
explanations, they have covered their ears, their hearts are hardened.
That's what is happening in China and all over the world. People start to
feel ok to see unborn to be aborted, ok to see evils things to happen.
People are numb in their feelings. People just say that is how the society
works, and that is reality. Isn't it obvious that it is not the best thing
to happen.
People already cannot define what is righteousness, don't know how things
should be done.
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
: 你理解的神是個很窩囊的神， 連把正確道德拿來貫徹都辦不到， 還要小心翼翼
: 的別和社會價值衝突太大， 窩囊透了。
: Jason 在大聲叫好就不知道怎麼回事了。
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 43 不会吧，这里的反基们没什么人会认为自己知道了道路真理光明生命什么的
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
:
: Are you saying God should hold our hands so that we can be righteous?
: Isn't it great that we have freedom?
: God want us to have some freedom and be righteous.
: I saw someone who are really thinking in context, thinking deep, they have
: open minds, they are acceptable to ideas that are new to them. They are
: listening.
: Many fanji thought they have figure things all out. They don't need new
: explanations, they have covered their ears, their hearts are hardened.
: That's what is happening in China and all over the world. People start to
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 44
If your god exists, he should set the right law. Not the one yields to human
value.
To kill? Why?
I guess you're not one of them.
Let's try: would you consider your god is purely evil?
Have you figure things all out? Do you need new explanations?
Do you covered your ears? Is your heart hardened to REASON?
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
:
: Are you saying God should hold our hands so that we can be righteous?
: Isn't it great that we have freedom?
: God want us to have some freedom and be righteous.
: I saw someone who are really thinking in context, thinking deep, they have
: open minds, they are acceptable to ideas that are new to them. They are
: listening.
: Many fanji thought they have figure things all out. They don't need new
: explanations, they have covered their ears, their hearts are hardened.
: That's what is happening in China and all over the world. People start to
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 45
恰恰相反，我们以开放的心胸等候你的回答。现在的问题是：你不愿意回答我们的问题。
请问：那些被你家主子屠杀的婴儿们到底犯了什么罪？
请问：“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，你为什们
不遵守？
我们继续等待你的“explanations”。
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
:
: Are you saying God should hold our hands so that we can be righteous?
: Isn't it great that we have freedom?
: God want us to have some freedom and be righteous.
: I saw someone who are really thinking in context, thinking deep, they have
: open minds, they are acceptable to ideas that are new to them. They are
: listening.
: Many fanji thought they have figure things all out. They don't need new
: explanations, they have covered their ears, their hearts are hardened.
: That's what is happening in China and all over the world. People start to
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 46 你说的righteousness是不是就是神说的是啥就是啥？神让你杀人你就杀人？是的话你
的righteousness和一般人的righteousness定义确实是不同滴
feel ok to see unborn to be aborted, ok to see evils things to happen.
People are numb in their feelings. People just say that is how the society
works, and that is reality. Isn't it obvious that it is not the best thing
to happen.
People already cannot define what is righteousness, don't know how things
should be done.
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
:
: Are you saying God should hold our hands so that we can be righteous?
: Isn't it great that we have freedom?
: God want us to have some freedom and be righteous.
: I saw someone who are really thinking in context, thinking deep, they have
: open minds, they are acceptable to ideas that are new to them. They are
: listening.
: Many fanji thought they have figure things all out. They don't need new
: explanations, they have covered their ears, their hearts are hardened.
: That's what is happening in China and all over the world. People start to
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 47
恰恰相反，我们以开放的心胸等候你的回答。现在的问题是：你不愿意回答我们的问题。
请问：那些被你家主子屠杀的婴儿们到底犯了什么罪？
请问：“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，你为什们
不遵守？
我们继续等待你的“explanations”。
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
:
: Are you saying God should hold our hands so that we can be righteous?
: Isn't it great that we have freedom?
: God want us to have some freedom and be righteous.
: I saw someone who are really thinking in context, thinking deep, they have
: open minds, they are acceptable to ideas that are new to them. They are
: listening.
: Many fanji thought they have figure things all out. They don't need new
: explanations, they have covered their ears, their hearts are hardened.
: That's what is happening in China and all over the world. People start to
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 48
human
I could. Then how do you explain God blessed human in Gensis 1? A
contradiction? Bible's author contradict him self in the fist page of his
work?
I figured some out not all. I am still searching. Being a Christian is not
just reading Bible. It is to live out your faith. I am trying to understand
you guys. You just cannot convince me. Otherwise I will shut up.
I am here to hear your words. I am reasoning all the time with you guys. But
I do not put human reason above Bible. Because I believe Bible's wisdom is
higher than my own wisdom.
Prov 1
7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,
but fools[c] despise wisdom and instruction.
You cannot reason without a base. You got to define good and evil first. I
think it is our society's problem. Human reason is the judge and the judge
use human reason as law. The judge is the law. We have seen all the problems
from this view, because human disagree with each other's reasons. But God
is one. And God is just!
【在 E*****m 的大作中提到】
:
: If your god exists, he should set the right law. Not the one yields to human
: value.
: To kill? Why?
: I guess you're not one of them.
: Let's try: would you consider your god is purely evil?
: Have you figure things all out? Do you need new explanations?
: Do you covered your ears? Is your heart hardened to REASON?
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 49
恰恰相反，我们以开放的心胸等候你的回答。现在的问题是：你不愿意回答我们的问题。
请问：那些被你家主子屠杀的婴儿们到底犯了什么罪？
请问：“圣经”“新约”明确要求基督徒们生病的时候要请人来抹油/祷告，你为什们
不遵守？
我们继续等待你的“explanations”。
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
:
: human
: I could. Then how do you explain God blessed human in Gensis 1? A
: contradiction? Bible's author contradict him self in the fist page of his
: work?
: I figured some out not all. I am still searching. Being a Christian is not
: just reading Bible. It is to live out your faith. I am trying to understand
: you guys. You just cannot convince me. Otherwise I will shut up.
: I am here to hear your words. I am reasoning all the time with you guys. But
: I do not put human reason above Bible. Because I believe Bible's wisdom is
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 50
又：你先前明明是会用中文的。你这一口烂到家的英文可不可以收起来？
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
:
: human
: I could. Then how do you explain God blessed human in Gensis 1? A
: contradiction? Bible's author contradict him self in the fist page of his
: work?
: I figured some out not all. I am still searching. Being a Christian is not
: just reading Bible. It is to live out your faith. I am trying to understand
: you guys. You just cannot convince me. Otherwise I will shut up.
: I am here to hear your words. I am reasoning all the time with you guys. But
: I do not put human reason above Bible. Because I believe Bible's wisdom is
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 51 确实头疼，我猜他可能是个访问学者什么的，英文这么那个
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: 又：你先前明明是会用中文的。你这一口烂到家的英文可不可以收起来？
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 52
understand
But
is
human
This is not even a contradiction. Why do you think it is? An evil lord
won't bless and protect his follower? Your god is a mobster. If you
follow him, you got all kind of reward, if you don't you got damned
"eternally". Can you think of any one more evil than that?
And it's cute that you think Genesis doesn't have contradiction.
Almost every bible scholar know the 1st and 2nd chapter are 2 different
creation stories merged together. That's why the order of events are
different.
What did you figure out? Based on what? Reason? Evidence?
We can't convince you if you are not reasonable. Are you willing to
let reason into your heart?
But
Since you're human (right?), how do you not use human reason?
Why?
problems
Are you saying believers agree with other's belief? It's so cute, while so
wrong.
There have been too many problems because people's different beliefs, I
think you would
acknowledge this, right? Or you want me to give me a long list of religious
conflicts?
Can you name one problem that's caused by people being TOO REASONABLE? Name
one
case where people respect too much evidence and follow reason and logic too
well that
cause problems? Name one!
If your god exists, what just thing he ever done? Do you know Euthyphro
Dilemma?
If you don't, you can read my blog.
http://fsmonster.blogspot.com/2011/11/blog-post_02.html
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】
:
: human
: I could. Then how do you explain God blessed human in Gensis 1? A
: contradiction? Bible's author contradict him self in the fist page of his
: work?
: I figured some out not all. I am still searching. Being a Christian is not
: just reading Bible. It is to live out your faith. I am trying to understand
: you guys. You just cannot convince me. Otherwise I will shut up.
: I am here to hear your words. I am reasoning all the time with you guys. But
: I do not put human reason above Bible. Because I believe Bible's wisdom is
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d******r
发帖数: 5008 | 53
无知得可爱，玷污了学者这词。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 确实头疼，我猜他可能是个访问学者什么的，英文这么那个
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 54 Ｊ１在买买提可不是什么好形象
【在 d******r 的大作中提到】
:
: 无知得可爱，玷污了学者这词。
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z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 55
这样的“学者”真令人作呕。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】
: 确实头疼，我猜他可能是个访问学者什么的，英文这么那个
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 56 我只是猜啦，不是很确定
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
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: 这样的“学者”真令人作呕。
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H******9
发帖数: 8087 | |
z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 58
基们“全知全能”的主子的智慧是不是很XX？
【在 H******9 的大作中提到】
: 感觉惩罚对象弄错了啊
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