l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 1 你是这孩子的父母的话你会拒绝输血么?
http://www.news.com.au/national-news/judge-forces-jehovahs-witn
Justice Richard White ordered the girl, 4, receive treatment, including a
blood transfusion to which her parents had objected on religious grounds.
Paediatric oncologist Dr Petra Ritchie, right, said without treatment the
girl "will die . . . I would say in weeks".
Dr Ritchie said that the girl, who was diagnosed with cancer of the blood
and bone marrow on Monday, had a 90 per cent chance of survival if she
received treatment immediately.
Doctors had this week advised she needed a potentially life-saving blood
transfusion but her parents objected on religious grounds.
The parents' opposition prompted the hospital to petition the court saying
that, without treatment, the girl would die in a matter of weeks.
In emotional scenes yesterday, the girls' father wept as he spoke of his
love for his daughter.
But he explained that his family's faith prohibited blood transfusions. "We
adhere to strict Bible principles and one of those is to abstain from blood,
" he said.
"We want the best possible treatment for (her) and the hospital are doing a
great job. The only thing we don't consent to is the issue of blood."
The hearing came almost two years after the court made a legal-first ruling
to save a boy, 10.
Yesterday Justice White - who also heard the boy's case - said that
treatment was in the girl's best interests.
"Without a blood transfusion, there is a very high prospect that (she) will
die," he said.
The father told the court that his daughter's illness became known to them
about six weeks ago when she reported a sore leg and recorded a temperature.
However, doctors told the family it was a virus and it was not until they
took her to hospital on Monday that a diagnosis of leukaemia was formed.
She said the girl was at risk of organ damage to her heart, brain and kidney
. Even if the girl survived the leukaemia without a blood transfusion, Dr
Ritchie said she could suffer learning difficulties and subtle cognitive and
kidney damage.
Todd Golding, for the Woman's and Children's Health Network Inc, said
Justice White should interpret the law the way he did in the 2010 case.
"The court is to act in what are the best interests of the child.
"The situation factually, as is clear from the evidence, (the girl) has
leukaemia from which she will almost certainly die.
"It is in the submission of the plaintiff that she receive a blood
transfusion as soon as possible," he said.
Ken Gluche, for the girl's parents, said his clients "deeply love their
child".
"It's not like they are acting with callous disregard for her wellbeing or
her future," he said.
"Clearly it's their genuine beliefs, it's something that they've been
convinced to accept by anyone else, by the church or other believers."
Robert Croser, for the child, said he had not formally interviewed his
client because of her inability to appropriately instruct him. "Nobody on
either side of the case wants (the girl) to die," he said.
"Neither (the father) nor his wife and the wider Jehovah's Witness church
would treat (the girl) any differently if the court orders she have the
blood transfusion."
Justice White handed down his decision immediately.
"I'm satisfied that this is a matter that should be determined urgently
because (the girl) suffers from leukaemia and that requires urgent treatment
," he said. "I'm satisfied that it is appropriate and indeed necessary for (
the girl) to receive a blood transfusion.
"I'm satisfied that there are no alternatives to the provision of a blood
transfusion. I'm satisfied that it's in (the girl's) best interest to
received the blood transfusion despite her parents' objections.
"Without a blood transfusion there's a very high prospect (the girl) will
die and that the provision of a blood transfusion would reduce that prospect
markedly," he said. |
J*******g 发帖数: 8775 | 2 似乎只有耶证有不输血的教规。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你是这孩子的父母的话你会拒绝输血么? : http://www.news.com.au/national-news/judge-forces-jehovahs-witn : Justice Richard White ordered the girl, 4, receive treatment, including a : blood transfusion to which her parents had objected on religious grounds. : Paediatric oncologist Dr Petra Ritchie, right, said without treatment the : girl "will die . . . I would say in weeks". : Dr Ritchie said that the girl, who was diagnosed with cancer of the blood : and bone marrow on Monday, had a 90 per cent chance of survival if she : received treatment immediately. : Doctors had this week advised she needed a potentially life-saving blood
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 3 up
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你是这孩子的父母的话你会拒绝输血么? : http://www.news.com.au/national-news/judge-forces-jehovahs-witn : Justice Richard White ordered the girl, 4, receive treatment, including a : blood transfusion to which her parents had objected on religious grounds. : Paediatric oncologist Dr Petra Ritchie, right, said without treatment the : girl "will die . . . I would say in weeks". : Dr Ritchie said that the girl, who was diagnosed with cancer of the blood : and bone marrow on Monday, had a 90 per cent chance of survival if she : received treatment immediately. : Doctors had this week advised she needed a potentially life-saving blood
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s*********t 发帖数: 4253 | 4 美国很多医院都是教会成立的,又不见这些医院禁止输血?
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : up
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 5 你的米格姐妹是耶证滴
【在 s*********t 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 美国很多医院都是教会成立的,又不见这些医院禁止输血?
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Z*****e 发帖数: 1629 | 6 但是我告诉你们:比圣殿更大的就在这里!你们如果明白‘我要的是怜悯,而不是祭祀
’这话是什么意思,就不会把无罪的定为有罪了。因为人子是安息日的主。” |
l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 7 你想表达啥啊
【在 Z*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 但是我告诉你们:比圣殿更大的就在这里!你们如果明白‘我要的是怜悯,而不是祭祀 : ’这话是什么意思,就不会把无罪的定为有罪了。因为人子是安息日的主。”
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Z*****e 发帖数: 1629 | 8 因为做善事而违反了律法是无罪的。个人的理解,未必是对的
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你想表达啥啊
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 9 那你知道到底啥是对的不?
【在 Z*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 因为做善事而违反了律法是无罪的。个人的理解,未必是对的
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Z*****e 发帖数: 1629 | 10 所有的基督徒都会告诉你:神是对的
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 那你知道到底啥是对的不?
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x***e 发帖数: 844 | 11 所有的基督徒都怕死
【在 Z*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 所有的基督徒都会告诉你:神是对的
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J*******g 发帖数: 8775 | 12 不是吧,通常认为基督徒更不怕死,因为死后还有永生。
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 所有的基督徒都怕死
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x***e 发帖数: 844 | 13 你的认为是错的,没有比基督徒更怕死的了,只有怕死的人才会追求死后复活
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 不是吧,通常认为基督徒更不怕死,因为死后还有永生。
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J*******g 发帖数: 8775 | 14 基督徒得永生。跟怕死有啥关系。
我们暂且不说你信不信,假设永生是真实的,你想要就可以有,你要么?
说的通俗点,也许你更好理解,地上有一斤黄金没人要,你可以随便拿,没人管,你要
么?
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你的认为是错的,没有比基督徒更怕死的了,只有怕死的人才会追求死后复活
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N****n 发帖数: 6571 | 15 比喻不当吧。---------应该是:地上有金子,你要跪爬着去拿,一边儿还要一遍遍
地赞颂和感激那个黄金的主人,并且说自己是如何如何不堪如何如何不配
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 基督徒得永生。跟怕死有啥关系。 : 我们暂且不说你信不信,假设永生是真实的,你想要就可以有,你要么? : 说的通俗点,也许你更好理解,地上有一斤黄金没人要,你可以随便拿,没人管,你要 : 么?
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 16 大师一向是偷换概念的,估计大师的随便没人管=普通人的跪着赞美自贬
【在 N****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 比喻不当吧。---------应该是:地上有金子,你要跪爬着去拿,一边儿还要一遍遍 : 地赞颂和感激那个黄金的主人,并且说自己是如何如何不堪如何如何不配
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J*******g 发帖数: 8775 | 17 我相信很多人都会跪着去抢那个黄金的。
那么基督徒所得的永生要比黄金贵无数倍,当然值得去拿了。再说20亿基督徒过得好好
的。没见那个基督徒像反基们描述的那样不堪啊。
【在 N****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 比喻不当吧。---------应该是:地上有金子,你要跪爬着去拿,一边儿还要一遍遍 : 地赞颂和感激那个黄金的主人,并且说自己是如何如何不堪如何如何不配
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 18 乐羊子妻
河南乐羊子之妻者,不知何氏之女也。
羊子尝行路,得遗金一饼,还以与妻。妻曰:“妾闻志士不饮‘盗泉’之水,廉者不受
嗟来之食,况拾遗求利,以污其行乎!”羊子大惭,乃捐金于野,而远寻师学。
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河南乐羊子的妻子,已经不知道原来是姓什么的人家的女儿。
羊子在路上行走时,曾经捡到一块别人丢失的金子,拿回家把金子给了妻子。妻子说:
“我听说有志气的人不喝‘盗泉’的水,廉洁方正的人不吃讨来的食物,何况是捡拾别
人的失物、谋求私利来玷污自己的品德呢!”羊子听后十分惭愧,就把金子扔弃到野外
,然后远出拜师求学去了。
这是古代“有自尊”的“外邦人”志士,节操高尚,不会为利而玷污自己的品德
至于各位现代“尊贵谦卑”的基督徒罪人们根据杨大师的话,肯定是乐于大捡特捡,大
跪特跪滴,可以理解,你们有着你们“阿爸父神”至高至大、尊贵荣光的形象么,lol
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我相信很多人都会跪着去抢那个黄金的。 : 那么基督徒所得的永生要比黄金贵无数倍,当然值得去拿了。再说20亿基督徒过得好好 : 的。没见那个基督徒像反基们描述的那样不堪啊。
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b********h 发帖数: 2451 | 19 说得你很懂中国文化似的,其实啥都不懂
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 乐羊子妻 : 河南乐羊子之妻者,不知何氏之女也。 : 羊子尝行路,得遗金一饼,还以与妻。妻曰:“妾闻志士不饮‘盗泉’之水,廉者不受 : 嗟来之食,况拾遗求利,以污其行乎!”羊子大惭,乃捐金于野,而远寻师学。 : 译文 : 河南乐羊子的妻子,已经不知道原来是姓什么的人家的女儿。 : 羊子在路上行走时,曾经捡到一块别人丢失的金子,拿回家把金子给了妻子。妻子说: : “我听说有志气的人不喝‘盗泉’的水,廉洁方正的人不吃讨来的食物,何况是捡拾别 : 人的失物、谋求私利来玷污自己的品德呢!”羊子听后十分惭愧,就把金子扔弃到野外 : ,然后远出拜师求学去了。
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Z*****e 发帖数: 1629 | 20 可惜呀,你看看现在的居民楼,钢窗从一楼装到顶楼,谁家不装,小偷准来教育教育你。
这已经不是路不拾遗了,拿东西都去别人家拿去了。
乐羊子之不存也久已,乐羊子之妻亦无处觅也。
今之众人,其下贤人也亦远矣,而耻学于贤。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 乐羊子妻 : 河南乐羊子之妻者,不知何氏之女也。 : 羊子尝行路,得遗金一饼,还以与妻。妻曰:“妾闻志士不饮‘盗泉’之水,廉者不受 : 嗟来之食,况拾遗求利,以污其行乎!”羊子大惭,乃捐金于野,而远寻师学。 : 译文 : 河南乐羊子的妻子,已经不知道原来是姓什么的人家的女儿。 : 羊子在路上行走时,曾经捡到一块别人丢失的金子,拿回家把金子给了妻子。妻子说: : “我听说有志气的人不喝‘盗泉’的水,廉洁方正的人不吃讨来的食物,何况是捡拾别 : 人的失物、谋求私利来玷污自己的品德呢!”羊子听后十分惭愧,就把金子扔弃到野外 : ,然后远出拜师求学去了。
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x***e 发帖数: 844 | 21 那你就永生去吧,为啥有病还看医生呢?
【在 J*******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我相信很多人都会跪着去抢那个黄金的。 : 那么基督徒所得的永生要比黄金贵无数倍,当然值得去拿了。再说20亿基督徒过得好好 : 的。没见那个基督徒像反基们描述的那样不堪啊。
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x***e 发帖数: 844 | 22 你可以给小偷跪下来,求他别偷你~否则偷完你,还可能把你barbecue,不值得
你。
【在 Z*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 可惜呀,你看看现在的居民楼,钢窗从一楼装到顶楼,谁家不装,小偷准来教育教育你。 : 这已经不是路不拾遗了,拿东西都去别人家拿去了。 : 乐羊子之不存也久已,乐羊子之妻亦无处觅也。 : 今之众人,其下贤人也亦远矣,而耻学于贤。
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 23 乐羊子的老婆是因为别人都路不拾遗,才咋样咋样滴?要是基督徒写乐羊子妻估计是这
么写的,乐羊子妻见金大喜,赞道:"做得好啊,你不拿,别人准拿,捡到的大便宜不
拿白不拿,你看别人拿的不是都过得越来越滋润了么,今之众人,其下贤人也亦远矣,
而耻学于师,唉。"lol
这帮基督徒真搞笑,做任何事不都是要从自己做起么, 你扯些啥么乱七八糟的啊
你。
【在 Z*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 可惜呀,你看看现在的居民楼,钢窗从一楼装到顶楼,谁家不装,小偷准来教育教育你。 : 这已经不是路不拾遗了,拿东西都去别人家拿去了。 : 乐羊子之不存也久已,乐羊子之妻亦无处觅也。 : 今之众人,其下贤人也亦远矣,而耻学于贤。
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 24 喝茶观赏基督徒
【在 b********h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 说得你很懂中国文化似的,其实啥都不懂
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b********h 发帖数: 2451 | 25 慢喝。呵呵。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 喝茶观赏基督徒
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b********h 发帖数: 2451 | 26 你自己水平低下却自我感觉良好。乐洋之妻拾到的人无意失落的金子而神的救恩是主动
赐予的恩典。你用乐洋之妻嘲讽基督徒可谓驴唇不对马嘴。要我是你就用不饮盗泉之水
不受嗟来之食,这才比较应景
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 乐羊子的老婆是因为别人都路不拾遗,才咋样咋样滴?要是基督徒写乐羊子妻估计是这 : 么写的,乐羊子妻见金大喜,赞道:"做得好啊,你不拿,别人准拿,捡到的大便宜不 : 拿白不拿,你看别人拿的不是都过得越来越滋润了么,今之众人,其下贤人也亦远矣, : 而耻学于师,唉。"lol : 这帮基督徒真搞笑,做任何事不都是要从自己做起么, 你扯些啥么乱七八糟的啊 : : 你。
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 27 你咋知道那不是盘古大帝特意赐给了乐羊子的呢? 嗯? 再说你那神的恩典和乐羊子捡
到的金子一样,只存在于一本书里,你先把你的神也是他儿子也是人的耶稣的存在先证
明出来再来胡说八道吧,lol
另外乐羊子的老婆没捡东西,你仔细看看? 既然号称眼睛大怎么两句话的阅读都这么
不给力尼
【在 b********h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你自己水平低下却自我感觉良好。乐洋之妻拾到的人无意失落的金子而神的救恩是主动 : 赐予的恩典。你用乐洋之妻嘲讽基督徒可谓驴唇不对马嘴。要我是你就用不饮盗泉之水 : 不受嗟来之食,这才比较应景
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 28 米格这问题到现在还不敢回复啊,为啥阿?
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你是这孩子的父母的话你会拒绝输血么? : http://www.news.com.au/national-news/judge-forces-jehovahs-witn : Justice Richard White ordered the girl, 4, receive treatment, including a : blood transfusion to which her parents had objected on religious grounds. : Paediatric oncologist Dr Petra Ritchie, right, said without treatment the : girl "will die . . . I would say in weeks". : Dr Ritchie said that the girl, who was diagnosed with cancer of the blood : and bone marrow on Monday, had a 90 per cent chance of survival if she : received treatment immediately. : Doctors had this week advised she needed a potentially life-saving blood
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b********h 发帖数: 2451 | 29 围观坐地打滚的反基。
【在 l*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你咋知道那不是盘古大帝特意赐给了乐羊子的呢? 嗯? 再说你那神的恩典和乐羊子捡 : 到的金子一样,只存在于一本书里,你先把你的神也是他儿子也是人的耶稣的存在先证 : 明出来再来胡说八道吧,lol : 另外乐羊子的老婆没捡东西,你仔细看看? 既然号称眼睛大怎么两句话的阅读都这么 : 不给力尼
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l*****a 发帖数: 38403 | 30 Patpat
【在 b********h 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 围观坐地打滚的反基。
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