y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 1 我老人家给包子.
怎么样.
发信人: feynmanring (O圈), 信区: USANews
标 题: Re: 结束Bush/obama tax cut是正道
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 19 13:34:40 2012, 美东)
Yes GOP wants to cut all spending except "defense" which is at least twice
as much of all welfare spendings. |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 2 既长脸,又有包子.
难道没有人吗?
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 我老人家给包子.
: 怎么样.
: 发信人: feynmanring (O圈), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Re: 结束Bush/obama tax cut是正道
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 19 13:34:40 2012, 美东)
: Yes GOP wants to cut all spending except "defense" which is at least twice
: as much of all welfare spendings.
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j*********d
发帖数: 1137 | 3 2012年，Defense 0.9万亿，welfare 0.45万亿：
http://www.usfederalbudget.us/federal_budget_detail_fy13rs12012
US Federal Government FY 13 Budget
Spending Estimates in $ trillion nom
FY 2012 FY 2013 FY 2014 FY 2015 FY 2016 FY 2017
[+] Defense 0.90 0.90 0.80 0.78 0.79 0.81
[+] Welfare 0.45 0.42 0.40 0.40 0.40 0.39
BTW:你千万别给我包子，吃了恶心。
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 我老人家给包子.
: 怎么样.
: 发信人: feynmanring (O圈), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Re: 结束Bush/obama tax cut是正道
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 19 13:34:40 2012, 美东)
: Yes GOP wants to cut all spending except "defense" which is at least twice
: as much of all welfare spendings.
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j*********d
发帖数: 1137 | 4 哦，再来个打脸打得更响的。08～09年的数据：(单位Billion)
[+] Defense 677.1 699.0
[+] Welfare 288.9 294.7
Source:
http://www.usfederalbudget.us/federal_budget_estimate_vs_actual
【在 j*********d 的大作中提到】
: 2012年，Defense 0.9万亿，welfare 0.45万亿：
: http://www.usfederalbudget.us/federal_budget_detail_fy13rs12012
: US Federal Government FY 13 Budget
: Spending Estimates in $ trillion nom
: FY 2012 FY 2013 FY 2014 FY 2015 FY 2016 FY 2017
: [+] Defense 0.90 0.90 0.80 0.78 0.79 0.81
: [+] Welfare 0.45 0.42 0.40 0.40 0.40 0.39
: BTW:你千万别给我包子，吃了恶心。
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 5 lol...
did you create this website?
【在 j*********d 的大作中提到】
: 哦，再来个打脸打得更响的。08～09年的数据：(单位Billion)
: [+] Defense 677.1 699.0
: [+] Welfare 288.9 294.7
: Source:
: http://www.usfederalbudget.us/federal_budget_estimate_vs_actual
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f*********g
发帖数: 1637 | |
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 7 what? don't tell me you get your garbage from this website too.
【在 f*********g 的大作中提到】
: James，你何必较真？不看就是了。
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m*****e
发帖数: 789 | 8 those fucking t-bagger retards don't even understand numbers.
don't argue with them.
【在 j*********d 的大作中提到】
: 2012年，Defense 0.9万亿，welfare 0.45万亿：
: http://www.usfederalbudget.us/federal_budget_detail_fy13rs12012
: US Federal Government FY 13 Budget
: Spending Estimates in $ trillion nom
: FY 2012 FY 2013 FY 2014 FY 2015 FY 2016 FY 2017
: [+] Defense 0.90 0.90 0.80 0.78 0.79 0.81
: [+] Welfare 0.45 0.42 0.40 0.40 0.40 0.39
: BTW:你千万别给我包子，吃了恶心。
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k**o
发帖数: 15334 | 9 这个"welfare"是not include Medicaid，Medicaid是算在healthcare那一栏里面。
你再加上Medicaid看看呢？我估计不比Defense低。Medicaid也是一种welfare啊。
【在 j*********d 的大作中提到】
: 2012年，Defense 0.9万亿，welfare 0.45万亿：
: http://www.usfederalbudget.us/federal_budget_detail_fy13rs12012
: US Federal Government FY 13 Budget
: Spending Estimates in $ trillion nom
: FY 2012 FY 2013 FY 2014 FY 2015 FY 2016 FY 2017
: [+] Defense 0.90 0.90 0.80 0.78 0.79 0.81
: [+] Welfare 0.45 0.42 0.40 0.40 0.40 0.39
: BTW:你千万别给我包子，吃了恶心。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 12 几个liberal就是沙比,medicare当然是welfare的一种了.看wiki的图里面根本没有
welfare这个分类.是不是他们认为就没有welfare了?
【在 k**o 的大作中提到】
: 这个"welfare"是not include Medicaid，Medicaid是算在healthcare那一栏里面。
: 你再加上Medicaid看看呢？我估计不比Defense低。Medicaid也是一种welfare啊。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 13 Health Care
CBO projects that federal health spending will continue to be one of the
fastest-growing areas of federal spending, increasing at an average rate of
7 percent per year over the next decade. In contrast, over that same time,
GDP is expected to grow at the rate of only 2.4 percent per year.
The new baseline incorporates provisions of the 2010 health care reform act
(the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act—or PPACA) that would expand
Medicaid, provide subsidies for health insurance coverage, and, if
implemented and maintained as designed, restrain the growth of Medicare
costs.
Medicaid
Medicaid’s growth is projected to be responsible for 40 percent of the
growth of federal health spending over the next decade. The 2009 stimulus
bill (the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009—or ARRA) and other
legislation provided states with a temporary increase in Medicaid matching
funds to help offset the impact of the recession. As the higher federal
match expires, CBO estimates that Medicaid will show little growth this year
and will decrease in 2012. However, beginning in 2014, the expansion of
eligibility for Medicaid included in the PPACA will begin. CBO projects
that enrollment will grow from its 2011 high of 68 million people to more
than 97 million by the end of the decade. With the federal government
responsible for almost all of the cost of that expansion, Medicaid will
become the fastest-growing federal health program. CBO estimates that
spending will increase at an average annual rate of 9 percent from 2014 to
2021.
Medicare
Medicare, which has historically grown faster than Medicaid, is projected in
the baseline to be responsible for 30 percent of the growth of federal
health spending.
Under current law, Medicare spending is projected to grow about 7 percent
per year on average between 2013 and 2021. However, this projection reflects
possibly unrealistic expectations about program growth. Under current law,
Medicare physicians will face a 28 percent reduction in fees in January 2012
as a result of the program’s “Sustainable Growth Rate” payment formula.
Lawmakers have overridden these reductions every year since 2003; if they do
so again, CBO projects that Medicare outlays would increase by an
additional $250 billion over the decade. Additionally, the PPACA included
provisions that would constrain the growth in payments to other health care
providers that many health policy experts believe are not sustainable. In
addition, critics have challenged new activities—including the Independent
Payment Advisory Board and the Medicare Innovation Center—that are intended
to reduce the growth in Medicare costs.
Health Insurance Exchanges
Subsidies for people who enroll in new health insurance exchanges, together
with operating costs for the exchanges, make up the lion’s share of the
remainder of federal health spending growth; outlays may approach $100
billion by the end of the decade. CBO projects that around 7 million people
will receive health insurance coverage through exchanges when they go into
operation in 2014, and that the program will grow to 18 million participants
by the end of the decade.
Social Security
Social Security remains the largest single program in the federal budget. In
2010, the program paid over $700 billion in benefits to retirees, surviving
spouses and their families, and those claiming the disability benefit. This
represented about 20 percent of all of the money spent by the federal
government that year.
Compared to previous CBO estimates, Social Security’s long-term position
has worsened. Social Security is now operating with a cash flow deficit that
CBO projects is permanent (See Figure 4). In other words, the program pays
more in benefits than it brings in by way of payroll taxes, and the program
is not expected to operate with a cash surplus again. The program is
expected to run a cash deficit of approximately $45 billion and continue
running cash deficits permanently. This contrasts with CBO’s 2010
projections, which estimated that Social Security would generate small cash
surpluses in 2013, 2014, and 2015 before running permanent deficits
beginning in 2016.
There are a number of factors that have contributed to the decline in Social
Security’s long-term financial outlook. The after effects of the financial
crisis and the slow economic recovery are still placing a heavy burden on
the program’s long-term solvency. The program saw increased numbers of
beneficiaries in 2010. Facing a tough labor market, more people filed for
Social Security benefits and left the work force. CBO reports that the
number of people receiving Social Security Disability Insurance benefits
increased by almost 5 percent in 2010—much higher than in the past, even
during recessions. As high unemployment continues through 2016, the program
’s revenue base will also be affected. |
g*q
发帖数: 26623 | 14 medicare都成福利了?那Social security更是福利了.
连medicare根medicaid的区别都搞不懂就来扯.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 几个liberal就是沙比,medicare当然是welfare的一种了.看wiki的图里面根本没有
: welfare这个分类.是不是他们认为就没有welfare了?
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 15 这些当然是福利. 1962年的时候政府支出根本没有这一块呢, medicare当时是零.
还有那个safety net,也是福利.
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】
: medicare都成福利了?那Social security更是福利了.
: 连medicare根medicaid的区别都搞不懂就来扯.
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w******8
发帖数: 977 | 16 现在的social security可以说一部分是福利，跟401K不一样，退休后拿的钱跟以前交
的不一定match，尤其是现在的人寿命提高，social security不改革根本维持不下去.
Illinois州政府的defined benifit retirement plan都维持不下去了.
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】
: medicare都成福利了?那Social security更是福利了.
: 连medicare根medicaid的区别都搞不懂就来扯.
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j*********d
发帖数: 1137 | 17 medicare and SS are not welfare. They are EARNED benefits. Only people who
have worked long enough and paid enough SS and medicare taxes are qualified
for the benefits.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 这些当然是福利. 1962年的时候政府支出根本没有这一块呢, medicare当时是零.
: 还有那个safety net,也是福利.
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r***l
发帖数: 9084 | 18 无所谓了，2M/SS现在入不敷出了，无底洞越来越深，可以改革吗？还是只能加税来补
这些窟窿？
qualified
【在 j*********d 的大作中提到】
: medicare and SS are not welfare. They are EARNED benefits. Only people who
: have worked long enough and paid enough SS and medicare taxes are qualified
: for the benefits.
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m*****e
发帖数: 789 | 19 man, you t-baggers are so stupid.
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 这些当然是福利. 1962年的时候政府支出根本没有这一块呢, medicare当时是零.
: 还有那个safety net,也是福利.
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j*********d
发帖数: 1137 | 20 我的意见，可以改革！而且我没看到有dem说不可以改革。
【在 r***l 的大作中提到】
: 无所谓了，2M/SS现在入不敷出了，无底洞越来越深，可以改革吗？还是只能加税来补
: 这些窟窿？
:
: qualified
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r***l
发帖数: 9084 | 21 可也没几个dem说可以改的，更没有一个提具体方案的，现在都忙着打ryan的方案捞政
治分数呢。pelosi/reid/O8不领导，dem内部即使有人想改，也成不了气候。
同意就好，要是O8连任4年，没有动2M/SS，4年内2m/ss继续高增长，记得上来认个错。
如果O8连任后真的领导改革了2M/SS, 和共和党合作通过了议案，我高兴还来不及呢，
上来也给O8粉丝认个错，发N个包子。
【在 j*********d 的大作中提到】
: 我的意见，可以改革！而且我没看到有dem说不可以改革。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 22 呵呵, 我都不需要反驳了, 看你前面那个贴就是了.
什么叫入不敷出? 懂嘛? 如果他们earned的话,为什么会有缺口? 因为有一部分不是他
们earned的,是政府补贴的.
qualified
【在 j*********d 的大作中提到】
: medicare and SS are not welfare. They are EARNED benefits. Only people who
: have worked long enough and paid enough SS and medicare taxes are qualified
: for the benefits.
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P*********0
发帖数: 4321 | 23 傻瓜。和defense有个屌的关系？
是战争。题目都错了。
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.5
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 我老人家给包子.
: 怎么样.
: 发信人: feynmanring (O圈), 信区: USANews
: 标 题: Re: 结束Bush/obama tax cut是正道
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 19 13:34:40 2012, 美东)
: Yes GOP wants to cut all spending except "defense" which is at least twice
: as much of all welfare spendings.
|
