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l**********3
发帖数: 10970
t**********3
发帖数: 12623
2
左逼们左手扣屁眼右手捂眼睛,“我不看不看不看”
p****x
发帖数: 1376
3
左逼的眼睛是专盯别人钱包的,其他统统“我不看不看不看”

【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 左逼们左手扣屁眼右手捂眼睛,“我不看不看不看”
G***G
发帖数: 16778
4
2007.
a little bit out of date.
do you have updated data?

【在 l**********3 的大作中提到】
: http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine
d*********2
发帖数: 48111
5
bush的减税政策, capital那里还是favor普通富人的, 但是巨富就是账面上的
capital gain都不多。 如果能统计0.1%的巨富就更有说明力。
不说连码工的250K都接近1%了吗?
250K还好说点, 150K-200K在CA/NY活的跟鳖三似的, 还1-5%呢。
明面报税的1%还不如人灰色收入的5%
bush的减税虽然好, 但是it实际上搞的是个大政府, 真是极右极左不分家。

【在 G***G 的大作中提到】
: 2007.
: a little bit out of date.
: do you have updated data?

d*********2
发帖数: 48111
6
数据有点旧, 不过05, 06年还是经济荣景时期呢, 现在的平均收入是减少的, 贫富
分化是加剧的。
不管是1.5%还是10%, 光在一个稍微好一点的学区, 比比房子都排不进去啊, 还那么
多黑人区, 差学区垫着底呢。
这top 10%的收入惭愧死了。
The 2005 economic survey revealed the income distribution for households and
individuals whereby the top 5% of individuals had six figure incomes (
exceeding $100,000) and the top 10% of individuals had incomes exceeding $75
,000.[4] The top 5% of households, three quarters of whom had two income
earners, had incomes of $166,200 (about 10 times the 2009 minimum wage in
the US) or more,[8] with the top 10% having incomes well in excess of $100,
000.[9] The top 1.5% of households had incomes exceeding $250,000 with 146,
000 households, the top 0.12%, having incomes exceeding $1,600,000 annually.
[10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affluence_in_the_United_States

【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: bush的减税政策, capital那里还是favor普通富人的, 但是巨富就是账面上的
: capital gain都不多。 如果能统计0.1%的巨富就更有说明力。
: 不说连码工的250K都接近1%了吗?
: 250K还好说点, 150K-200K在CA/NY活的跟鳖三似的, 还1-5%呢。
: 明面报税的1%还不如人灰色收入的5%
: bush的减税虽然好, 但是it实际上搞的是个大政府, 真是极右极左不分家。

C****n
发帖数: 2324
7
我是右派, 但是我来替左派说话。
你这个图表太 MisLeading.
其实谁交的税多还是少根本不重要, 真正的公平是交税之后你剩下的多还是少, 而且
要人均。
你 TOP 1%人均交税之后, 剩下的钱还是比我不交税还要多很多, 这就明显不公平。
你根本不知道你的汽车值多少钱, 而我却哪个加油站的油便宜都记得清清楚楚。 这
公平吗?

【在 l**********3 的大作中提到】
: http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine
d*********2
发帖数: 48111
8
其实比较公平的一个办法是, 像车险和以后的obamacar一样, 强迫性买福利保险,
每个人都要买, 同一rate, 可以私营化。 把这个作为fund来接济真正的穷人和有需要
的人。
一辈子不交保险, 几代吃福利的, 把政府福利降到最低, 满足温饱那种, 而且靠房
价/租金调剂机制。 都去穷乡僻壤呆着去,
poor doesn't deserve better life, if he doesn't work.

【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: 我是右派, 但是我来替左派说话。
: 你这个图表太 MisLeading.
: 其实谁交的税多还是少根本不重要, 真正的公平是交税之后你剩下的多还是少, 而且
: 要人均。
: 你 TOP 1%人均交税之后, 剩下的钱还是比我不交税还要多很多, 这就明显不公平。
: 你根本不知道你的汽车值多少钱, 而我却哪个加油站的油便宜都记得清清楚楚。 这
: 公平吗?

l**********3
发帖数: 10970
9

难道你希望富人交完税之后收入比你低?或者跟你一样?这个有点白日梦了吧。那谁还
有动力成为富人啊

【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: 我是右派, 但是我来替左派说话。
: 你这个图表太 MisLeading.
: 其实谁交的税多还是少根本不重要, 真正的公平是交税之后你剩下的多还是少, 而且
: 要人均。
: 你 TOP 1%人均交税之后, 剩下的钱还是比我不交税还要多很多, 这就明显不公平。
: 你根本不知道你的汽车值多少钱, 而我却哪个加油站的油便宜都记得清清楚楚。 这
: 公平吗?

p****x
发帖数: 1376
10
...... 你的意思是,交完税应该人人收入一样才对?那干脆真的共产主义多好

【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: 我是右派, 但是我来替左派说话。
: 你这个图表太 MisLeading.
: 其实谁交的税多还是少根本不重要, 真正的公平是交税之后你剩下的多还是少, 而且
: 要人均。
: 你 TOP 1%人均交税之后, 剩下的钱还是比我不交税还要多很多, 这就明显不公平。
: 你根本不知道你的汽车值多少钱, 而我却哪个加油站的油便宜都记得清清楚楚。 这
: 公平吗?

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C****n
发帖数: 2324
11
Unfortunately, my reasoning is the foundation of the left ideology.
There're some people in this world only look at the result, do not want to
look at the process. They don't want to ask why you are rich.
More sadly, they are the majority. Be it in USA, China, or anywhere in the
world.
So, I don't know any new idea of social structure yet. Seems socialism
eventually will come. Max tested before and failed, and the world will try
it again.

【在 l**********3 的大作中提到】
:
: 难道你希望富人交完税之后收入比你低?或者跟你一样?这个有点白日梦了吧。那谁还
: 有动力成为富人啊

s**********y
发帖数: 353
12
How about a country with 0.01% people contributing 100% tax? Expanding the
middle class is the only way to prosperity.
t**********3
发帖数: 12623
13
the free riders think their life should be paid for by the top-earners, and
they should take zero financial responsibilities themselves.
who are the dreamers? if I'm the 0.1%, I'm moving to Cayman Islands.

【在 s**********y 的大作中提到】
: How about a country with 0.01% people contributing 100% tax? Expanding the
: middle class is the only way to prosperity.

s**********y
发帖数: 353
14
I am not sure if you want to move to Cayman Islands when your wealth is
still growing somehow with high tax rate.

and

【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: the free riders think their life should be paid for by the top-earners, and
: they should take zero financial responsibilities themselves.
: who are the dreamers? if I'm the 0.1%, I'm moving to Cayman Islands.

t**********3
发帖数: 12623
15
If I register my business in Cayman Islands and keep my primary residence
there, I'd pay so much less taxes. And the extra profit will be reinvested
back in business to create more jobs for the unemployed instead of being
taxed and redistributed to the unemployed by the government after the
government took their cut.

【在 s**********y 的大作中提到】
: I am not sure if you want to move to Cayman Islands when your wealth is
: still growing somehow with high tax rate.
:
: and

s**********y
发帖数: 353
16
Is capitalism better than socialism? yeah, it should be. But there is
corruption in capitalism too. E.g.,sometimes those CXOs sitting on the board
may have taken a big chunk of the cake before they fuck up the whole
company.
No matter what the system is, the hard working middle class should be
growing instead of shrinking. Using the graph posted by LZ to demonstrate
that the rich people is overpaying their fair share is pointless. Is the
current tax burden for the rich too much if their wealth is still growing
for whatever reason when the economical growth is around zero?

【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: If I register my business in Cayman Islands and keep my primary residence
: there, I'd pay so much less taxes. And the extra profit will be reinvested
: back in business to create more jobs for the unemployed instead of being
: taxed and redistributed to the unemployed by the government after the
: government took their cut.

d*********2
发帖数: 48111
17
原本来说, 上市公司内部自我corruption伤害的是富人之间的利益。
但是美国不管你working class的退休(不work的倒管的周全), working class养老
自谋, 迫不得已什么401K, IRA的大多都得放进股市。
所以现在这些上市公司就没节制了, 越是垄断性, 蓝筹性的越是如此。

【在 s**********y 的大作中提到】
: Is capitalism better than socialism? yeah, it should be. But there is
: corruption in capitalism too. E.g.,sometimes those CXOs sitting on the board
: may have taken a big chunk of the cake before they fuck up the whole
: company.
: No matter what the system is, the hard working middle class should be
: growing instead of shrinking. Using the graph posted by LZ to demonstrate
: that the rich people is overpaying their fair share is pointless. Is the
: current tax burden for the rich too much if their wealth is still growing
: for whatever reason when the economical growth is around zero?

s**********y
发帖数: 353
18
我也觉得401K什么的比较Evil。别的不说,有多少人会关心自己401K里到底是哪些公司
,怎么行使自己的Voting rights?

【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 原本来说, 上市公司内部自我corruption伤害的是富人之间的利益。
: 但是美国不管你working class的退休(不work的倒管的周全), working class养老
: 自谋, 迫不得已什么401K, IRA的大多都得放进股市。
: 所以现在这些上市公司就没节制了, 越是垄断性, 蓝筹性的越是如此。

d*********2
发帖数: 48111
19
大公司的腐败浪费和政府的腐败浪费如出一辙。
这就是为啥号称极右的小树实质上也是在扩大政府, 还搞了个新的政府部门出来
homeland security. 这些贵族巨富们都发现蛋糕做的越大, 他们分的越多。
08ma 08年竞选的时候, 靠什么邀买人心? change, did he? or worse?

【在 s**********y 的大作中提到】
: 我也觉得401K什么的比较Evil。别的不说,有多少人会关心自己401K里到底是哪些公司
: ,怎么行使自己的Voting rights?

t**********3
发帖数: 12623
20
corporate corruption is too common, it can be categorized and dealt with as
moral and internal policy issue. the government is in no place to tell
private or public businesses how and what to pay their people, otherwise it'
s tyranny.
what we should be fighting against is phony capitalism which is the market
is not free enough, the government has too much power to pick the winners
and losers in the market, or using tax dollars to favor some. there's an
example: Solyndra.

board

【在 s**********y 的大作中提到】
: Is capitalism better than socialism? yeah, it should be. But there is
: corruption in capitalism too. E.g.,sometimes those CXOs sitting on the board
: may have taken a big chunk of the cake before they fuck up the whole
: company.
: No matter what the system is, the hard working middle class should be
: growing instead of shrinking. Using the graph posted by LZ to demonstrate
: that the rich people is overpaying their fair share is pointless. Is the
: current tax burden for the rich too much if their wealth is still growing
: for whatever reason when the economical growth is around zero?

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负债累累,美国1/5的年轻人与父母或祖父母住在一起Romney: 'Middle-income' is $200K to $250K and less
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t*********r
发帖数: 45
21
这个是比例
提高征税起征点, 收入高的人交税的比例扩大---实际缴税额减小。
打个比方:  如果起征点在5%, 5%的人要付100%的税,
如果5%高收入的税率为10%(假设第一档), 那么实际他们的税率(可能)从3
0%变成了10%。。。。。。
贴税率和税额, %的图误导。
布什减税后, top1% 交的税大幅下降。。。 他的经济政策根本行不通, 干了8年,
连华尔街都要选O8。。。
z******a
发帖数: 5381
22
为何要抚摸菊花呢

【在 t**********3 的大作中提到】
: 左逼们左手扣屁眼右手捂眼睛,“我不看不看不看”
l****z
发帖数: 29846
23
呵呵, 他那时反着说话呢.

【在 l**********3 的大作中提到】
:
: 难道你希望富人交完税之后收入比你低?或者跟你一样?这个有点白日梦了吧。那谁还
: 有动力成为富人啊

d*********2
发帖数: 48111
24
那是因为大公司和上市公司, 拿着散户和小股东的钱不当钱, 自己内部圈子再分配捞
好处。
跟政府部门付几百万工资给些垃圾director, consultant一个道理。
你去看看小公司, 什么office manager, admin之类的, 拿的还没码工高呢。

board

【在 s**********y 的大作中提到】
: Is capitalism better than socialism? yeah, it should be. But there is
: corruption in capitalism too. E.g.,sometimes those CXOs sitting on the board
: may have taken a big chunk of the cake before they fuck up the whole
: company.
: No matter what the system is, the hard working middle class should be
: growing instead of shrinking. Using the graph posted by LZ to demonstrate
: that the rich people is overpaying their fair share is pointless. Is the
: current tax burden for the rich too much if their wealth is still growing
: for whatever reason when the economical growth is around zero?

s**********y
发帖数: 353
25
startup想上市骗钱的不要太多。

【在 d*********2 的大作中提到】
: 那是因为大公司和上市公司, 拿着散户和小股东的钱不当钱, 自己内部圈子再分配捞
: 好处。
: 跟政府部门付几百万工资给些垃圾director, consultant一个道理。
: 你去看看小公司, 什么office manager, admin之类的, 拿的还没码工高呢。
:
: board

M*****n
发帖数: 16729
26
这个数据很有问题
八菲特,罗姆尼的实际税率比秘书们的都低,他们的收入和tax不可能图上这个比例的。
bottom 50%的数据应该大致是对的,因为有人头税的各种deduction.
俺觉得应该取消income tax,只收property tax. 税收应该只给予你的财产,而不是你
挣了多少。这样可以刺激消费和投资。同意的请举手。
t**********5
发帖数: 418
27
What is Wall Street? The people work in the financial sector? Employees in
banking industry are like employees work in any other industries, they are
individuals with skills and make salary by offering their skills. Are they "
Wall Street "?
左棍自己喊的口号自己都概念混淆。



【在 t*********r 的大作中提到】
: 这个是比例
: 提高征税起征点, 收入高的人交税的比例扩大---实际缴税额减小。
: 打个比方:  如果起征点在5%, 5%的人要付100%的税,
: 如果5%高收入的税率为10%(假设第一档), 那么实际他们的税率(可能)从3
: 0%变成了10%。。。。。。
: 贴税率和税额, %的图误导。
: 布什减税后, top1% 交的税大幅下降。。。 他的经济政策根本行不通, 干了8年,
: 连华尔街都要选O8。。。

f******k
发帖数: 5329
28
没看原文,两幅图看不懂,为啥谁跟谁加起来都不是100%?

【在 l**********3 的大作中提到】
: http://www.american.com/archive/2007/november-december-magazine
F***N
发帖数: 5012
29
bottom 50%里也只有3%交税吧?所以他们占3%也是很公平的
不是说47%的人拿救济嘛
b*******r
发帖数: 878
30
有些老黑每天扫厕所清理大便比你挣得还少,这公平么,我觉得不公平。

【在 C****n 的大作中提到】
: 我是右派, 但是我来替左派说话。
: 你这个图表太 MisLeading.
: 其实谁交的税多还是少根本不重要, 真正的公平是交税之后你剩下的多还是少, 而且
: 要人均。
: 你 TOP 1%人均交税之后, 剩下的钱还是比我不交税还要多很多, 这就明显不公平。
: 你根本不知道你的汽车值多少钱, 而我却哪个加油站的油便宜都记得清清楚楚。 这
: 公平吗?

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l****z
发帖数: 29846
31
政府人员的工资不一样. 但其他地方, 工资这个问题是市场决定的.不是个人可以决定
.如果你是老板,你愿意多付工资给清理大便的老黑,那是你自己的事情.别人不可以干预
.不过看你这个样子是怎么样的做不了老板的.所以你就省省吧.

【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 有些老黑每天扫厕所清理大便比你挣得还少,这公平么,我觉得不公平。
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