T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 1 The reasons for a positive answer:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31572787.html
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31569765.html
I was under the impression that Yisu wanted to use this main ID only to
clean water, so she set up a MJ to speak as a regular ID.
Yisu had put several posts from Ylsu on top and other IDs got baozi assuming
that Ylsu was Yisu, who gave them the baozi.
The reason for a negative answer:
http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_article_t.php?board=Wisdom&gid=315
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Wisdom/31576835_0.html
该同学在没有被投诉的情况下被封口了， 也是他名字起的不好，所以
该反省一下。
Well, it's not Ylsu's first day on this board. This ID had been here when Yisu was here.
What do you think? | Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 2 哈， 还琢磨这个那
基本上正确， 很明显就是我吗， 我也从来没有否认过。。用另一个ID 是希望能发言
不代表版务的立场。。不过名字起的的确不好， 让站方给封了。。所以我也响应地反
省一下。。下不为例。如有confusion， 道歉道歉 :)
assuming
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: The reasons for a positive answer:
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31572787.html
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31569765.html
: I was under the impression that Yisu wanted to use this main ID only to
: clean water, so she set up a MJ to speak as a regular ID.
: Yisu had put several posts from Ylsu on top and other IDs got baozi assuming
: that Ylsu was Yisu, who gave them the baozi.
: The reason for a negative answer:
: http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_article_t.php?board=Wisdom&gid=315
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Wisdom/31576835_0.html
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 3 Thanks! It's better this way. :-)
BTW, Ylsu's name is good, which is very obvious, like bigfool's MJ series.
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: 哈， 还琢磨这个那
: 基本上正确， 很明显就是我吗， 我也从来没有否认过。。用另一个ID 是希望能发言
: 不代表版务的立场。。不过名字起的的确不好， 让站方给封了。。所以我也响应地反
: 省一下。。下不为例。如有confusion， 道歉道歉 :)
:
: assuming
| Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 4 :-) that was my first intention to make it obvious....but obvivously it
leads to another problem...maybe I should just use sth not to close at all,
or just yisu001, I wonder if that will be considered as bian xing warm or
not...
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Thanks! It's better this way. :-)
: BTW, Ylsu's name is good, which is very obvious, like bigfool's MJ series.
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 5 I think that you can continue to use Ylsu, and you didn't even need to ban
it just because waterer accused it of bian-xing. There wouldn't be a problem
if you declared this MJ to be you at the very beginning.
Bian-xing ID is a problem when others want to pretend to be someone else.
,
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: :-) that was my first intention to make it obvious....but obvivously it
: leads to another problem...maybe I should just use sth not to close at all,
: or just yisu001, I wonder if that will be considered as bian xing warm or
: not...
| Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 6 I can't . it has been banned by the site admin..with someone's help..:)
problem
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I think that you can continue to use Ylsu, and you didn't even need to ban
: it just because waterer accused it of bian-xing. There wouldn't be a problem
: if you declared this MJ to be you at the very beginning.
: Bian-xing ID is a problem when others want to pretend to be someone else.
:
: ,
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 7 hehe, that someone is so bad ah. :-)
Well, the 站规 is talking about "恶意"变形虫, but not some ID's own MJ
series:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t2/board/31276285.html
3）禁止恶意变形虫行为；
定义：以注册时间先后及引起投诉作为判断的主要依据。
1）如后申请之ID与较前注册之ID相似，且以先注册之ID名义企图混淆视听误导其他ID
者；
2）在先注册之ID提出抗议或投诉引起争议时；
此两条件同时成立时，视后注册之ID为变形虫行为并将其封禁全站。
You can email mitbbs to correct this.
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: I can't . it has been banned by the site admin..with someone's help..:)
:
: problem
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 8 Better yet, let that someone correct his mis-reporting. :-)
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: hehe, that someone is so bad ah. :-)
: Well, the 站规 is talking about "恶意"变形虫, but not some ID's own MJ
: series:
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t2/board/31276285.html
: 3）禁止恶意变形虫行为；
: 定义：以注册时间先后及引起投诉作为判断的主要依据。
: 1）如后申请之ID与较前注册之ID相似，且以先注册之ID名义企图混淆视听误导其他ID
: 者；
: 2）在先注册之ID提出抗议或投诉引起争议时；
: 此两条件同时成立时，视后注册之ID为变形虫行为并将其封禁全站。
| Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 9 Someone posted ealier and said he will do it .. I will wait and see with my
appreciation ready. Meanwhile, I will get another 'less confused' one, just
in case. :)
ID
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: hehe, that someone is so bad ah. :-)
: Well, the 站规 is talking about "恶意"变形虫, but not some ID's own MJ
: series:
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t2/board/31276285.html
: 3）禁止恶意变形虫行为；
: 定义：以注册时间先后及引起投诉作为判断的主要依据。
: 1）如后申请之ID与较前注册之ID相似，且以先注册之ID名义企图混淆视听误导其他ID
: 者；
: 2）在先注册之ID提出抗议或投诉引起争议时；
: 此两条件同时成立时，视后注册之ID为变形虫行为并将其封禁全站。
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 10 en, robbin's MJ series are good for others to tell that it's her, too. That'
s one more "good" series of MJ as an example. :-)
p.s. let me be a bit gossipy just for once, now that waterer knows that Ylsu
is you, and he thought that the PMs from Ylsu were too much, what would he
think now? :-p
my
just
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: Someone posted ealier and said he will do it .. I will wait and see with my
: appreciation ready. Meanwhile, I will get another 'less confused' one, just
: in case. :)
:
: ID
| | | Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 11 Dont believe that gossipy. There was only one message delivered from ylsu
to him and that has nothing to do with the gossipy as well :)
What would he think? not sure, probably one is still too much..
That'
Ylsu
he
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: en, robbin's MJ series are good for others to tell that it's her, too. That'
: s one more "good" series of MJ as an example. :-)
: p.s. let me be a bit gossipy just for once, now that waterer knows that Ylsu
: is you, and he thought that the PMs from Ylsu were too much, what would he
: think now? :-p
:
: my
: just
| w*****r
发帖数: 7106 | 12 你们俩真TM无聊。
刚才那个结网的烂人总算说对了一回。
assuming
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: The reasons for a positive answer:
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31572787.html
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31569765.html
: I was under the impression that Yisu wanted to use this main ID only to
: clean water, so she set up a MJ to speak as a regular ID.
: Yisu had put several posts from Ylsu on top and other IDs got baozi assuming
: that Ylsu was Yisu, who gave them the baozi.
: The reason for a negative answer:
: http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_article_t.php?board=Wisdom&gid=315
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Wisdom/31576835_0.html
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 13 haha, "肉麻" :-p
【在 w*****r 的大作中提到】
: 你们俩真TM无聊。
: 刚才那个结网的烂人总算说对了一回。
:
: assuming
| Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 14 he is so cute..like a big boy..:)
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: haha, "肉麻" :-p
| Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 15 既然有人嫌我们无聊了， 撩点别的吧。。姐姐这些天都在看什么好书啊， 跟修行有关
的？ 上次给你推荐的七十空性论你后来有翻吗？
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: haha, "肉麻" :-p
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 16 en. The other day I was driving by, and I saw a place that looked like a zan
place. I stopped to chat with them, and it seemed that the people there
were mostly from Taiwan. Anyway, they have free books to give away, and I
get a few. I am just browsing those books now.
How about you? Do you know people in real life to talk about things like
this?
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: 既然有人嫌我们无聊了， 撩点别的吧。。姐姐这些天都在看什么好书啊， 跟修行有关
: 的？ 上次给你推荐的七十空性论你后来有翻吗？
| Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 17 Yes, I have quite friends and teachers in real life as well...I often go to
FoGuangShan , a temple close to where I live as well, where I can browse
alot of books in their library..
I remember you had a question before regarding hte time, am I right? I
think the book '70 kong xing lun jin shi' I refered you before had a pretty
answer to it..
zan
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: en. The other day I was driving by, and I saw a place that looked like a zan
: place. I stopped to chat with them, and it seemed that the people there
: were mostly from Taiwan. Anyway, they have free books to give away, and I
: get a few. I am just browsing those books now.
: How about you? Do you know people in real life to talk about things like
: this?
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 18 Not much yet. :-p I browse web-books relatively less. I like paper books or
audio books more. I do see ermazi being mentioned here and there, and I
guess that I need to understand the basics more to understand him.
:上次给你推荐的七十空性论你后来有翻吗？ | Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 19 True, same here. reading online makes me tired easily. Prefer to print it
out and read..
or
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Not much yet. :-p I browse web-books relatively less. I like paper books or
: audio books more. I do see ermazi being mentioned here and there, and I
: guess that I need to understand the basics more to understand him.
: :上次给你推荐的七十空性论你后来有翻吗？
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 20 I see. I do need to read '70 kong xing lun jin shi' more then.
I bought two books recently: Dipa Ma and Jhana. Dipa Ma is an easy read,
Jhana is harder as it takes time to follow it. Then I got those free Chinese
books, so I kind of stopped reading the Jhana for now.
If you have time, I have two questions here:
1.
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31315425.html
2. Do you close your eyes while meditating? I tried once to open slightly,
and it felt weird. What do you do?
pretty answer to it..
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: True, same here. reading online makes me tired easily. Prefer to print it
: out and read..
:
: or
| | | Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 21 sure, let me read your questions seriously and see if I can answer. but I
have to go catch the bus, so maybe a little later tonight if I can..
sorry about that..
in short, in meditatoin, open/close eyes has both its advantage and
disadvantage...
Chinese
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I see. I do need to read '70 kong xing lun jin shi' more then.
: I bought two books recently: Dipa Ma and Jhana. Dipa Ma is an easy read,
: Jhana is harder as it takes time to follow it. Then I got those free Chinese
: books, so I kind of stopped reading the Jhana for now.
: If you have time, I have two questions here:
: 1.
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31315425.html
: 2. Do you close your eyes while meditating? I tried once to open slightly,
: and it felt weird. What do you do?
:
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 22 yeap, bye for now! :-)
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: sure, let me read your questions seriously and see if I can answer. but I
: have to go catch the bus, so maybe a little later tonight if I can..
: sorry about that..
: in short, in meditatoin, open/close eyes has both its advantage and
: disadvantage...
:
: Chinese
| Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 23 1: So my question is how is 拙火经验 related to 禅定?
大概看了一下关于拙火经验的引文, 比较长, 我也是第一次听说这么个词, 挺有意思的
也比较杂, 给出的例子好像也并不都是在一个层次上的. 和禅定有什么关系? 我想你
大概问的是和四禅八定有什么关系..我觉的有些部分似乎已经超越了四禅八定, 有些地
方好像还连初禅都没到, 还有一部分大概像意识的幻觉吧....总之, 四禅八定做为共法
, 不管是寻求天届的果报, 还是三界外的解脱, 都是必要的. 拙火经验因人而异, 但是
我相信和四禅八定应该是有交集的.
2: Do you close your eyes while meditating
正确的打坐中眼睛是自然微微打开的. 但是一开始可能会不习惯, 眼睛总会自然闭上,
也是正常的. 我个人觉的依情况而定. 因为打坐一开始主要还是在定上, 而眼根为五根
中最胜, 所以闭上眼睛有利于收摄五根, 让意识尽快地安定. 对妄念特别多的人, 应
该这样开始. 但是对于已经有一些经验的人来说, 眼睛微张有利于克服昏沉, 人的前五
根减弱的情况下昏沉很容易达到, 有的时候坐的时间长, 我们可能已经在一个隐性的昏
沉状态下都不能觉察. 昏沉是定多慧少的体现, 所以眼睛张开能够弥补这一不足. 解决
昏沉还有其它的办法, 比如有的法师回建议你动动眼球. 眼睛睁开自然就好, 不要专
注某一个对象. 我常常会在修定的时候到了一定的阶段慢慢打开眼睛, 我发现这对我是
有效的, 尤其是在准备下坐的时间里, 定有余势的时候体验慧的增长. 这大概会有十分
钟左右, 千万不要立刻下坐, 打坐的目的还有把这个余势过度到日常生活中的目的, 所
以这十分钟的体验是蛮重要的, 最后就是别忘了坐前发愿, 坐后回向功德..
个人看法, 仅供参考啊...
Chinese
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: I see. I do need to read '70 kong xing lun jin shi' more then.
: I bought two books recently: Dipa Ma and Jhana. Dipa Ma is an easy read,
: Jhana is harder as it takes time to follow it. Then I got those free Chinese
: books, so I kind of stopped reading the Jhana for now.
: If you have time, I have two questions here:
: 1.
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31315425.html
: 2. Do you close your eyes while meditating? I tried once to open slightly,
: and it felt weird. What do you do?
:
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 24 Hi, Yisu, thanks a lot!
I see, I need to first get some concepts right.
http://www.rushiwowen.org/category-02-1-008.jsp
"四禅八定是禅定的基础，佛陀在成佛和涅槃时，也曾修行四禅八定功夫作为助缘。"
Is this statement correct?
The translation of that book on 拙火经验 is mainly a clinical descriptions
on the biological side. I thought that those symptoms would be easier to
compare. But perhaps as any experience is a mixture with mental
interpretation, none of them is a sure indication on the spiritual
development.
I also have a question on the concept of 初果. In Dipa Ma's book, her nephew
reached it after some intensive meditation, as they thought that he was
almost ready, so they asked him to take some time off to make it happen,
even a weekend would be good, and he indeed reached it during that weekend.
Originally he felt very weird and he thought that something went wrong, but
it was it, and it was okay. I am just wondering about the conceptual
understanding of this word. How is this concept of 初果 related to the
concept of 禅定?
As to the second question, "千万不要立刻下坐", do you mean that we should
take about 10 minutes to get ready to finish the meditation? So you often
open your eyes slightly during these 10 minutes, or sooner, right? Really,
for myself, I am not sure that I want the whole package of Buddhism, I just
enjoy the meditation part, at least for now, especially this book:
http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf
I would end it with a namaste with some wishes. Is this okay?
When I open my eyes slightly, I find myself tend to blink sometimes. Also,
the gaze (although not exactly a gaze, as I don't have anything particular
to look at) shifts between the states of being clear and being fuzzy. What
would you do in such cases?
,
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: 1: So my question is how is 拙火经验 related to 禅定?
: 大概看了一下关于拙火经验的引文, 比较长, 我也是第一次听说这么个词, 挺有意思的
: 也比较杂, 给出的例子好像也并不都是在一个层次上的. 和禅定有什么关系? 我想你
: 大概问的是和四禅八定有什么关系..我觉的有些部分似乎已经超越了四禅八定, 有些地
: 方好像还连初禅都没到, 还有一部分大概像意识的幻觉吧....总之, 四禅八定做为共法
: , 不管是寻求天届的果报, 还是三界外的解脱, 都是必要的. 拙火经验因人而异, 但是
: 我相信和四禅八定应该是有交集的.
: 2: Do you close your eyes while meditating
: 正确的打坐中眼睛是自然微微打开的. 但是一开始可能会不习惯, 眼睛总会自然闭上,
: 也是正常的. 我个人觉的依情况而定. 因为打坐一开始主要还是在定上, 而眼根为五根
| Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 25 不用谢， 也就是知道一点说一点。。：）
第一个是对的， 佛曾经修道四禅八定的最高一定。。
关于第二个， 禅定的定义是个广义的定义。 前面有人发的圣严法师关于禅定的分类，
有一个表你可以去看一下， 下面引文字,作为了解吧。：
"世间禅包括凡夫禅和外道禅，凡夫禅是指修四禅八定，主要是四禅天中色界的禅定。生
于色界天中得禅的人，是生来就得的，叫报得或生得，人类或某些异类众生，也可能修
成四禅天的禅；外道禅是指欲界一类众生，修不共佛法的禅定，所以它不与佛法相应，
而凡夫禅在佛法中可以算是一支，大致上在欲界的众生是修得的禅定，如果他死后禅定
功夫还能保持住，就可以生到色界天去，继续修四禅天的禅定。
出世间禅（小乘禅）也可分修得和报得，证小乘三果的人，一期生命结束后，生到色界
五种天中的五净居天，自然住于定中，继续修灭受想定，证了罗汉果位而解脱生死，永
离三界，称之为出世间禅。一般凡夫在欲界天也能修出世间的禅定，只要能达到永远出
离世间生死的境界。都是小乘禅。
世出世间禅包括大乘禅和最上乘禅，大乘禅是指如来禅，最上乘禅是指祖师禅。"
第三个问题，其实是我个人的经验， 不一定适合所有的人。 我早上打坐就不会睁眼，
因为刚睡了一觉，不会昏沉。可是晚上就不一样了， 可以在感觉比较沉的时候睁睁眼
， 也有人打坐一直睁眼， 如果功夫到了， 也没问题。 五蕴之首的色， 既是大忌，
也可以是利器， 完全看怎么用。 我通常会在结束的时候慢慢睁眼的目的有两个， 一
个是等待一个更平衡的时机， 一个是希望能把这个余势带到下面的日常生活。。至于
你好像说睁开眼后有什么移动？（没太看懂英文 ：） 我觉的可能还是因为意识落在了
眼识上面的缘故。 在禅修中 ，一个重要的原则就是不能让意识有所依附， 如果有要
及时地去觉察， 一旦觉察到了， 相应的现象也就会慢慢消失了。
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Hi, Yisu, thanks a lot!
: I see, I need to first get some concepts right.
: http://www.rushiwowen.org/category-02-1-008.jsp
: "四禅八定是禅定的基础，佛陀在成佛和涅槃时，也曾修行四禅八定功夫作为助缘。"
: Is this statement correct?
: The translation of that book on 拙火经验 is mainly a clinical descriptions
: on the biological side. I thought that those symptoms would be easier to
: compare. But perhaps as any experience is a mixture with mental
: interpretation, none of them is a sure indication on the spiritual
: development.
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 26 Hi, Yisu, thanks a lot!
en, you meant this:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31575889.html
I read it briefly earlier, and I get more when I read it again.
"我通常会在结束的时候慢慢睁眼的目的有两个， 一个是等待一个更平衡的时机， 一
个是希望能把这个余势带到下面的日常生活。。"
This makes lots of sense.
"睁开眼后有什么移动？我觉的可能还是因为意识落在了眼识上面的缘故。 "
en, I sometimes feel the urge to 眨眼睛, or my vision gets too fuzzy that I
habitually try to refocus my focal point a bit. Those eye movements do get
my attention, and I need to refocus on my breaths.
"如果有要及时地去觉察， 一旦觉察到了， 相应的现象也就会慢慢消失了。 "
Perhaps a clearer question is whether it is okay to make some eye movements,
or how much movements are okay, when we slightly open our eyes during
meditation? With 觉察, would the eye movements disappear? Or is it okay to
have some amount of eye movements?
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: 不用谢， 也就是知道一点说一点。。：）
: 第一个是对的， 佛曾经修道四禅八定的最高一定。。
: 关于第二个， 禅定的定义是个广义的定义。 前面有人发的圣严法师关于禅定的分类，
: 有一个表你可以去看一下， 下面引文字,作为了解吧。：
: "世间禅包括凡夫禅和外道禅，凡夫禅是指修四禅八定，主要是四禅天中色界的禅定。生
: 于色界天中得禅的人，是生来就得的，叫报得或生得，人类或某些异类众生，也可能修
: 成四禅天的禅；外道禅是指欲界一类众生，修不共佛法的禅定，所以它不与佛法相应，
: 而凡夫禅在佛法中可以算是一支，大致上在欲界的众生是修得的禅定，如果他死后禅定
: 功夫还能保持住，就可以生到色界天去，继续修四禅天的禅定。
: 出世间禅（小乘禅）也可分修得和报得，证小乘三果的人，一期生命结束后，生到色界
| Y**u
发帖数: 5466 | 27 当然可以动眼睛。。：） 坛经中对禅修的要求是＂若于转处不留情，繁兴永处那伽定
＂。。行住坐卧，语默动静， 都要求定和慧的均衡持守。。所以具体到个人， 要看这
个睁眼是破坏了这个平衡还是有利于这个平衡。。初习定的时候还要以培养定力为先，
如果乱动弄的心识散乱就不要动， 如果能持住， 就要慢慢地开始动， 不动才不对了
。。
"如果有要及时地去觉察， 一旦觉察到了， 相应的现象也就会慢慢消失了。 "
Perhaps a clearer question is whether it is okay to make some eye movements,
or how much movements are okay, when we slightly open our eyes during
meditation? With 觉察, would the eye movements disappear? Or is it okay to
have some amount of eye movements?
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: Hi, Yisu, thanks a lot!
: en, you meant this:
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Wisdom/31575889.html
: I read it briefly earlier, and I get more when I read it again.
: "我通常会在结束的时候慢慢睁眼的目的有两个， 一个是等待一个更平衡的时机， 一
: 个是希望能把这个余势带到下面的日常生活。。"
: This makes lots of sense.
: "睁开眼后有什么移动？我觉的可能还是因为意识落在了眼识上面的缘故。 "
: en, I sometimes feel the urge to 眨眼睛, or my vision gets too fuzzy that I
: habitually try to refocus my focal point a bit. Those eye movements do get
| l*******l
发帖数: 13923 | 28 谁结网了？没法真正结了吧
【在 w*****r 的大作中提到】
: 你们俩真TM无聊。
: 刚才那个结网的烂人总算说对了一回。
:
: assuming
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 29 hehe, you are right. I'll copy a few lines from my favorite book, which says
the same thing:
http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf
Concentration is a tool. It is secondary to bare attention. From the point
of view of mindfulness, there is really no such thing as a distraction.
Whatever arises in the mind is viewed as just one more opportunity to
cultivate mindfulness.
The purpose of meditation is not to concentrate on the breath, without
interruption, forever. That by itself would be a useless goal. The purpose
of meditation is not to achieve a perfectly still and serene mind. Although
a lovely state, it doesn't lead to liberation by itself. The purpose of
meditation is to achieve uninterrupted mindfulness. Mindfulness, and only
mindfulness, produces Enlightenment.
【在 Y**u 的大作中提到】
: 当然可以动眼睛。。：） 坛经中对禅修的要求是＂若于转处不留情，繁兴永处那伽定
: ＂。。行住坐卧，语默动静， 都要求定和慧的均衡持守。。所以具体到个人， 要看这
: 个睁眼是破坏了这个平衡还是有利于这个平衡。。初习定的时候还要以培养定力为先，
: 如果乱动弄的心识散乱就不要动， 如果能持住， 就要慢慢地开始动， 不动才不对了
: 。。
:
: "如果有要及时地去觉察， 一旦觉察到了， 相应的现象也就会慢慢消失了。 "
: Perhaps a clearer question is whether it is okay to make some eye movements,
: or how much movements are okay, when we slightly open our eyes during
: meditation? With 觉察, would the eye movements disappear? Or is it okay to
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 30 hehe, I can't help smiling when I see the word "结网". How lovely a spider
she has to be to make herself very comfortable at home. :-) 结网 takes lots
of endurance and patience, perhaps no less than 戒网. :-)
【在 l*******l 的大作中提到】
: 谁结网了？没法真正结了吧
| | | w****g
发帖数: 570 | 31 Thank you for sharing and it's well said. :)
Do you like my new name? BTW
says
Although
【在 T*******y 的大作中提到】
: hehe, you are right. I'll copy a few lines from my favorite book, which says
: the same thing:
: http://www.urbandharma.org/pdf/mindfulness_in_plain_english.pdf
: Concentration is a tool. It is secondary to bare attention. From the point
: of view of mindfulness, there is really no such thing as a distraction.
: Whatever arises in the mind is viewed as just one more opportunity to
: cultivate mindfulness.
: The purpose of meditation is not to concentrate on the breath, without
: interruption, forever. That by itself would be a useless goal. The purpose
: of meditation is not to achieve a perfectly still and serene mind. Although
| T*******y
发帖数: 6523 | 32 haha, it's you ah. :-) good name!
【在 w****g 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for sharing and it's well said. :)
: Do you like my new name? BTW
:
: says
: Although
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