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子孙连祖宗都不敢认,我们第一代移民迟早需要面对的问题。这回是美联社给登了,自
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Lanya Olmstead was born in Florida to a mother who immigrated from Taiwan
and an American father of Norwegian ancestry. Ethnically, she considers
herself half Taiwanese and half Norwegian. But when applying to Harvard,
Olmstead checked only one box for her race: white.
"I didn't want to put 'Asian' down," Olmstead says, "because my mom told me
there's discrimination against Asians in the application process."
For years, many Asian-Americans have been convinced that it's harder for
them to gain admission to the nation's top colleges.
Studies show that Asian-Americans meet these colleges' admissions standards
far out of proportion to their 6 percent representation in the U.S.
population, and that they often need test scores hundreds of points higher
than applicants from other ethnic groups to have an equal chance of
admission. Critics say these numbers, along with the fact that some top
colleges with race-blind admissions have double the Asian percentage of Ivy
League schools, prove the existence of discrimination.
The way it works, the critics believe, is that Asian-Americans are evaluated
not as individuals, but against the thousands of other ultra-achieving
Asians who are stereotyped as boring academic robots.
Now, an unknown number of students are responding to this concern by
declining to identify themselves as Asian on their applications.
For those with only one Asian parent, whose names don't give away their
heritage, that decision can be relatively easy. Harder are the questions
that it raises: What's behind the admissions difficulties? What, exactly, is
an Asian-American — and is being one a choice?
Olmstead is a freshman at Harvard and a member of HAPA, the Half-Asian
People's Association. In high school she had a perfect 4.0 grade-point
average and scored 2150 out of a possible 2400 on the SAT, which she calls "
pretty low."
College applications ask for parent information, so Olmstead knows that
admissions officers could figure out a student's background that way. She
did write in the word "multiracial" on her own application.
Still, she would advise students with one Asian parent to "check whatever
race is not Asian."
"Not to really generalize, but a lot of Asians, they have perfect SATs,
perfect GPAs, ... so it's hard to let them all in," Olmstead says.
Amalia Halikias is a Yale freshman whose mother was born in America to
Chinese immigrants; her father is a Greek immigrant. She also checked only
the "white" box on her application.
"As someone who was applying with relatively strong scores, I didn't want to
be grouped into that stereotype," Halikias says. "I didn't want to be
written off as one of the 1.4 billion Asians that were applying."
Her mother was "extremely encouraging" of that decision, Halikias says, even
though she places a high value on preserving their Chinese heritage.
"Asian-American is more a scale or a gradient than a discrete combination .
I think it's a choice," Halikias says.
But leaving the Asian box blank felt wrong to Jodi Balfe, a Harvard freshman
who was born in Korea and came here at age 3 with her Korean mother and
white American father. She checked the box against the advice of her high
school guidance counselor, teachers and friends.
"I felt very uncomfortable with the idea of trying to hide half of my ethnic
background," Balfe says. "It's been a major influence on how I developed as
a person. It felt like selling out, like selling too much of my soul."
"I thought admission wouldn't be worth it. It would be like only half of me
was accepted."
Other students, however, feel no conflict between a strong Asian identity
and their response to what they believe is injustice.
"If you know you're going to be discriminated against, it's absolutely
justifiable to not check the Asian box," says Halikias.
Immigration from Asian countries was heavily restricted until laws were
changed in 1965. When the gates finally opened, many Asian arrivals were
well-educated, endured hardships to secure more opportunities for their
families, and were determined to seize the American dream through effort and
education.
These immigrants, and their descendants, often demanded that children work
as hard as humanly possible to achieve. Parental respect is paramount in
Asian culture, so many children have obeyed — and excelled.
"Chinese parents can order their kids to get straight As. Western parents
can only ask their kids to try their best," wrote Amy Chua, only half tongue
-in-cheek, in her recent best-selling book "Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother."
"Chinese parents can say, 'You're lazy. All your classmates are getting
ahead of you,'" Chua wrote. "By contrast, Western parents have to struggle
with their own conflicted feelings about achievement, and try to persuade
themselves that they're not disappointed about how their kids turned out."
Of course, not all Asian-Americans fit this stereotype. They are not always
obedient hard workers who get top marks. Some embrace American rather than
Asian culture. Their economic status, ancestral countries and customs vary,
and their forebears may have been rich or poor.
But compared with American society in general, Asian-Americans have
developed a much stronger emphasis on intense academic preparation as a path
to a handful of the very best schools.
"The whole Tiger Mom stereotype is grounded in truth," says Tao Tao Holmes,
a Yale sophomore with a Chinese-born mother and white American father. She
did not check "Asian" on her application.
"My math scores aren't high enough for the Asian box," she says. "I say it
jokingly, but there is the underlying sentiment of, if I had emphasized
myself as Asian, I would have (been expected to) excel more in
stereotypically Asian-dominated subjects."
"I was definitely held to a different standard (by my mom), and to different
standards than my friends," Holmes says. She sees the same rigorous
academic focus among many other students with immigrant parents, even non-
Asian ones.
Does Holmes think children of American parents are generally spoiled and
lazy by comparison? "That's essentially what I'm trying to say."
Asian students have higher average SAT scores than any other group,
including whites. A study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade
examined applicants to top colleges from 1997, when the maximum SAT score
was 1600 (today it's 2400). Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed a
1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite college as white
students with a 1410 or black students with an 1100.
Top schools that don't ask about race in admissions process have very high
percentages of Asian students. The California Institute of Technology, a
private school that chooses not to consider race, is about one-third Asian.
(Thirteen percent of California residents have Asian heritage.) The
University of California-Berkeley, which is forbidden by state law to
consider race in admissions, is more than 40 percent Asian — up from about
20 percent before the law was passed.
Steven Hsu, a physics professor at the University of Oregon and a vocal
critic of current admissions policies, says there is a clear statistical
case that discrimination exists.
"The actual dynamics of how it happens are really quite subtle," he says,
mentioning factors like horse-trading among admissions officers for their
favorite candidates.
Also, "when Asians are the largest group on campus, I can easily imagine a
fund-raiser saying, 'This is jarring to our alumni,'" Hsu says. Noting that
most Ivy League schools have roughly the same percentage of Asians, he
wonders if "that's the maximum number where diversity is still good, and it'
s not, 'we're being overwhelmed by the yellow horde.'"
Yale, Harvard, Princeton and the University of Pennsylvania declined to make
admissions officers available for interviews for this story.
Kara Miller helped review applications for Yale as an admissions office
reader, and participated in meetings where admissions decisions were made.
She says it often felt like Asians were held to a higher standard.
"Asian kids know that when you look at the average SAT for the school, they
need to add 50 or 100 to it. If you're Asian, that's what you'll need to get
in," says Miller, now an English professor at the University of
Massachusetts-Dartmouth.
Highly selective colleges do use much more than SAT scores and grades to
evaluate applicants. Other important factors include extracurricular
activities, community service, leadership, maturity, engagement in learning,
and overcoming adversity.
Admissions preferences are sometimes given to the children of alumni, the
wealthy and celebrities, which is an overwhelmingly white group. Recruited
athletes get breaks. Since the top colleges say diversity is crucial to a
world-class education, African-Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, and
Hawaiian/Pacific Islanders also may get in despite lower scores than other
applicants.
A college like Yale "could fill their entire freshman class twice over with
qualified Asian students or white students or valedictorians," says Rosita
Fernandez-Rojo, a former college admissions officer who is now director of
college counseling at Rye Country Day School outside of New York City.
But applicants are not ranked by results of a qualifications test, she says
— "it's a selection process."
"People are always looking for reasons they didn't get in," she continues. "
You can't always know what those reasons are. Sometimes during the
admissions process they say, 'There's nothing wrong with that kid. We just
don't have room.'"
In the end, elite colleges often don't have room for Asian students with
outstanding scores and grades.
That's one reason why Harvard freshman Heather Pickerell, born in Hong Kong
to a Taiwanese mother and American father, refused to check any race box on
her application.
"I figured it might help my chances of getting in," she says. "But I figured
if Harvard wouldn't take me for refusing to list my ethnicity, then maybe I
shouldn't go there."
She considers drawing lines between different ethnic groups a form of racism
— and says her ethnic identity depends on where she is.
"In America, I identify more as Asian, having grown up there, and actually
being Asian, and having grown up in an Asian family," she says. "But when I'
m back in Hong Kong I feel more American, because everyone there is more
Asian than I am."
Holmes, the Yale sophomore with the Chinese-born mother, also has problems
fitting herself into the Asian box — "it doesn't make sense to me."
"I feel like an American," she says, "...an Asian person who grew up in
America."
Susanna Koetter, a Yale junior with an American father and Korean mother,
was adamant about identifying her Asian side on her application. Yet she
calls herself "not fully Asian-American. I'm mixed Asian-American. When I go
to Korea, I'm like, blatantly white."
And yet, asked whether she would have considered leaving the Asian box blank
, she says: "That would be messed up. I'm not white."
"Identity is very malleable," says Jasmine Zhuang, a Yale junior whose
parents were both born in Taiwan.
She didn't check the box, even though her last name is a giveaway and her
essay was about Asian-American identity.
"Looking back I don't agree with what I did," Zhuang says. "It was more like
a symbolic action for me, to rebel against the higher standard placed on
Asian-American applicants."
"There's no way someone's race can automatically tell you something about
them, or represent who they are to an admissions committee," Zhuang says. "
Using race by itself is extremely dangerous."
Hsu, the physics professor, says that if the current admissions policies
continue, it will become more common for Asian students to avoid identifying
themselves as such, and schools will have to react.
"They'll have to decide: A half-Asian kid, what is that? I don't think they
really know."
The lines are already blurred at Yale, where almost 26,000 students applied
for the current freshman class, according to the school's web site.
About 1,300 students were admitted. Twenty percent of them marked the Asian-
American box on their applications; 15 percent of freshmen marked two or
more ethnicities.
Ten percent of Yale's freshmen class did not check a single box.
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再转几个评论:
T • Los Angeles, United States • 7 hours ago
The harder you work the more this society discriminates against you. The
same thing happens if you work 2 jobs or longer hours, you pay a higher tax
rate.
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Cassandra • Agoura Hills, United States • 9 hours ago
As a pale face, I wouldn't mind if every college in the country admitted
strictly on the basis of achievement, leading to 100 percent Asian student
bodies. Maybe that would make everybody else try as hard as they do.
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Walt • Walnut Creek, United States • 9 hours ago
As a white person, if 99% of the college population is asian because they
deserve to be there, so be it! I would be insulted if my kids get into
college due to race and not merit.
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David T. • Kingston, United States • 10 hours ago
My god, has someone discovered that race simply shouldn't be taken into
consideration for college applications? Amazing...
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Tee • Troy, United States • 9 hours ago
Why is race on any application? if we are all the equal, what is the
difference?
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OldTex9 hours ago
I thought EVERY AMERICAN was EQUAL.......What is wrong with a box saying "
American citizen "....This crap drives REAL Americans crazy....My father's
relatives came from Ireland...My mother's from Holland.....but my mother's
mother married an American Indian....So I am Irish...Dutch....Native
American...So do they have a box with that heading???? Affirmative action #$
%$ is the worst thing that ever happened to America.....Repeal it and get
rid of all the ethnic #$%$....Who the hell cares
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david d • San Francisco, United States • 9 hours ago
The situation is much worse than this article admits. I used to be a faculty
representative on a college admissions committee and when students either
didn't mark a racial category or marked "other" or "decline to state" I saw
admissions officers google the surnames and then write an ethnic identify in
pencil on the non-compliant applicant form. The committee then divided the
applicants into piles for quotas based on the affirmative action goals. The
point was always made that the percentage of each racial/ethnic group must
mirror the percentage in "the community." Political correctness has ruined
high education in this country, provided degrees to young people who can't
read, write, and do arithmetic; and denied admission to hunreds of people I
personally know about who were denied admission because they were members of
the "wrong" ethnic or racial group.
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Mirror10 hours ago
"Why doesn't the NBA do this to make sure there are enough white and Latino
and Asian players?"
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Jason • Galena, United States • 10 hours ago
as a white person i dont think the question of race should even be on the
application.
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A7 hours ago
So Asian students are disadvantaged because of the fact that they are Asian,
but black students are benefited because of the fact that they are black?
Seems ironic that the whole purpose these racial "standards" are followed is
to *eliminate* discrimination.
The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is tho stop
discriminating on the basis of race. -John Roberts, Chief Justice of the
Supreme Court of the United States
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Chaka Likes Fire9 hours ago
If the application asks for race, I answer "human."
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真messed up.

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【在 I*********g 的大作中提到】
: 子孙连祖宗都不敢认,我们第一代移民迟早需要面对的问题。这回是美联社给登了,自
: 己读吧:
: Lanya Olmstead was born in Florida to a mother who immigrated from Taiwan
: and an American father of Norwegian ancestry. Ethnically, she considers
: herself half Taiwanese and half Norwegian. But when applying to Harvard,
: Olmstead checked only one box for her race: white.
: "I didn't want to put 'Asian' down," Olmstead says, "because my mom told me
: there's discrimination against Asians in the application process."
: For years, many Asian-Americans have been convinced that it's harder for
: them to gain admission to the nation's top colleges.

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