v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 1 slope is 126 from blue tee, on par with most muni, san ramon is 125 or so
from blue.
only get 130 from black tee. i should have play from blue, while you could
try black. i like the course offering more options.
if drive ball straight, tree lines shouldn't be a problem. but it's serious
problem to slicer like me..
hole #5 is probably the hardest par5. last time play from black tee, very
narrow and uneven fairway from black tee. first shot driver, slice into
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 2 golfmart offers 90 days ganrantee.
recently i got a pairs of old Taylormade Steel 3wood/5wood, for $1 each.
feel good using it. loud sound of steel striking ball. no longer need the
diablo fairway wood.
frankly, Diablo driver is okay, but nothing great or advanced... looks a bit
ugly
at golfsmith, Callway Diablo user rating sinks to 4.5/5, while R9 460 is 4.7
/5.
plus R9 indeed looks better, and more advanced technology.... i like the
idea to adjust the loft/face angle
Taylormade No.1 driver.. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 3 #3 is dogleg left par5, i was trying to cut corner, but my drive was too far
left, and drive into the tree.
debating against myself with either play a low percentage 3wood through the
tree, or 7 iron punch out to fairway.
my friends suggested to play save, and eat my pride and go for save. during
the punch, i was hoping to punch to 200 yard mark, and punch a bit
aggressive, hit another tree branch, and landed right in front of tree trunk
. then i have no choice, punch another 7iron to the fairwa |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 4 310 driver + 306 3wood, 2 on 600+ yards par5 just sick //kaka |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 5 found a practice green i could pictch from <50 yards away
my goal is to average 3 or less
previous rounds I played there were too many 4 even 5 somethimes...
failed to birdie 500yards or so par5 after good drive and 3wood
have to refuse to chunk chip/pictch, refuse to roll off green, refuse flew over
green, refuse to fail to handle bad lie....
seems that pitching 就要开始读果领了 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 6 tiger's 8 feet 10inch is quite amazing, considering that includes sand shot,
bad lies etc.
suppse drive average 260, and get 230 3wood tee up, 220 from fairway
birdie from 70 - 100 occurs :
260 + 100 = 360 yard mid length par 4,
or 230 + 100 = 330 short par4 tee off with woods or long iron
or 260 + 220 + 100 = 580 yard long par5
or 260 + 150(mid iron) + 100 = 510 yard short par 5
cover almost all amateur level golf courses.
except long par4 390+ yard or par3
seems that you can always hone 70-10 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 7 i am in the same boat.
i dont know why yet. but since my driver and my iron swing plane is very dif
ferent, it is not surprise to me. now i usually swing few hybrid in between,
and my 3wood and hyrbid are the most steady one for now. |
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d******s
发帖数: 674 | 8 呵呵，看来在driver 上挣扎的不只我一个啊。。。
其实仔细看一下我们打的course，只要不是超级长的洞，用3wood跟driver其实没很大
差别，特别是如果长铁打的跟短铁差不多顺手的话。 |
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d******s
发帖数: 674 | 9 3wood ～210， good driver ～230， not too much difference.
aff冬天到了是要滑雪还是打球？
distance |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 10 possibly easy course they play in china.
but these guys are 非常有名的文艺人, 悟性应该很高
８０－９０ 还是有可能
GOLF毕竟 挺需要悟性的.
the other day watch Palmer,Tiger, Davis, Tom Lehman play skin at GOlf
channel.
Palmer's swing is the ugliest (follow thru), but he could stay with the
other guys...
220yard par3, tiger 4i, davis and tom 3i, palmer 3woods, palmer was the
second closest to pin... |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 11 基本是这样。看看张连伟，包括梁文冲，都是比较Unique的动作；
梁文冲动作难看吧，但比较consistently的难看；张连伟的动作就如个业余选手一样，
变化多端。bunker里topping, 3woods topping的也常有发生，这在这边对一般的pro都
很少见。
不认识就不要赌了。我们这边赌,$5/hole，基本都不和没打过的赌；除非你非要和wes
short赌。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 12 sometimes driving accurancy is skewed. as long it is not too far deviate
from fairway, it's okay, when the ball is in intermediate or short rough,
even better. free tee up...
once my ball was in short rough, 202 yard left to green, second shot hack it
to right side of green using iron. normally i need 3wood from fairway...
liang's eagle is from intermediate too... |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 13 that is what i plan to do next time if i play that hole.
hoping the lie on fairway would be better, so i can take 3woods and get
closer to green. then i can chip with better control than pitching and
hoping my putter could bail me out with 2 putts maxiumn. but by doing that,
my best case is bogey.
A |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 14 老大，你想提高的话，怎么可能让你的6 iron不舒服，而 3woods很舒服呢？
这项运动，很难有所谓的 get around with it这个说法。 当然了，要看不同的level。
这么说吧，如果你认为该洞就是个bogey洞，那可能你咋舒服咋打。
如果就是个正常的，那就是driver
所谓的draw／fade说实话，都是aggressive的办法，而不是正常的打法。这个完全是两
个level的事情。
别忘了，大部分的pga tour player打球都是 1－ dimensional。 能work on ball，
并在场上能打出的都是少数。
这么说吧，你认为你能draw一个球，那么前提是你能很自信的认为你能把球打直了，落
在fairway上。而如果你能draw
出来，那表明这里是有很大的优势。
如你图中所示，你瞄在fairway的左边，不是也能cut过这个角落？
我提过很多的work on ball, 我也给jeamouse 演示，在driving range。 我上次和
balbatross打得最后一个洞，我也演
示了一个球如何curve过树，然后落在左角落的球洞部分。 还是9 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 15 I finally PAR the hole.
but it came from unlikely approach.
aiming to the left, but i overswung, ended up driving the ball around 140
yards, approaching with 3woods to gain as much as i can. the good thing is
that the ball is short of green, but it sits on the fairway. 52 degree pitch
left me 2 feet to hole.
due
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 16 看来我跟你们正好相反，
我是前9差，后9好，自打场地以来还没有过前9比后9好的
往往，出错就是在不经意的时候
最近一场，第一个洞381 PAR4 SLIGHTLY DOGLEG LEFT，UPHILL，
保守开球，没用DRIVER，3WOOD 220，RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE，感觉很爽
APPROACH 165 UPHILL，TREAT AS 180，用4HYBRID，球很直，BUT 从GREEN
BOUNCE到GREENSIDE BUNKER
本来是很好TEE和不错的APPROACH，最后打成+3
BUNKER出到ROUGH，再切，4上，3PUTT
我的感觉是后9能吸取前9的教训, 后面的BUNKER就更AGRESSIVE一点 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 17 well, what if the player pick up driver when down wind, and choose 3wood whe
n against wind.
in theory, wind wont be a factor as they stated.
but in practice, different story.
on
to
the |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 18 Driving Distance 256.5
Driving Accuracy 81.82%
GIR 66.67%
Putts Per GIR 1.700
Average Distance to Pin 26' 2"
Sand Save Percentage --
drove much shorter, but "Average Distance to Pin " is also much shorter...
a chong use lot of 3wood to tee off today? |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 19 还有MIKE BREED提到的RANGE PRACTICE 方法
don't hit several range balls in a row with the same club.
instead,
#1 ball, driver
#2 mid iron
#3 ball, driver
#4, 3wood
#5 short iron
each ball go over your preshot routine
imagine you are play a course, and alwasy pick some target
还有 you can place some tee around range ball, to check you hit the ball
right in the middle of club face, and have right divot.... to ingrain the
sweet spot hitting swing feelings... |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 20 technically, any distance is reasonable for a given player.
it is just how comfortable with your distance gap, ie, whats your club
distance one club more for 5wood, and one club less.
for example, the buddy i was mentioning, driving 290 is not problem for him,
so, he doest even carry a 3wood, and no hybrid for him as well. his 4iron
can go 200 or more.
ideally, if your irons can get you into 200 yards, and you can save fairway
woods for further distance. to answer your question: your woods shoul |
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d*******e
发帖数: 589 | 21 Here is some info about my distance:
4iron(longest iron): 200-205
5wood: 210-220
3wood: 230-250
driver: 270-290
Do you think whether I should carry woods?
him,
fairway |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 22 that is the longest i ever seen.
i am sure giving more time you should have tons of eagle putt opportunities.
if you feel comfortable with woods, why not?
for my buddy case, he got 3iron, and ditch 3wood. since his 4iron and 3iron
would get him reach to green for most of case, he rarely use his 5wood for
approaching.
here is tiger distance stats for reference
TIGER'S CLUBS:
Driver: 285 yards (carry)
3 Wood: 265 yards (carry)
2 Iron: 245 yards
3 Iron: 230 yards
4 Iron: 220 yards
5 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 23 if your driver just carry 240 - 250 (say drive 260 -270 on course), you can
still practice at this type of range.
just that you shot hit fence almost every shot with your driver and probably
3wood. fence usually are high
quite some ranges are open end, like bridges practice center, 300 hitter
certainly can practice there...
it's a nice range with a lot of grass, so ball does not roll very much ....
i saw many balls around and behind 243 yard flag, just don't get to see who
did it
on |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 24 使出吃奶的力气 still hit driver solid, that's very good.
so maybe looks like 100%, but just 90% of his max.
人不可冒相...
most pro golfers drive longer than their "driving average" stats. either
use 3wood off the tee or swing easy for short par 4. if they want 20 yards
more at par5 and long par4, they can get it.
pgatour has so many long par4, without ability drive 280+ when need it , 好
象没发混饭吃把
while most amateur golfers want 20 yards more from driver, they end 20 yards
shorter that their usual distance. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 25 provisional
just in case if i could not find my first ball.
almost all the case, i couldnt find.
normally, i dont take the drop option. to me, if i drop, i can not use my
driver or 3wood (most likely), since my iron distance substantially shorter,
and the lie after drop is not as good as re-tee, i would be better off to
use re-tee to gain distance, while take the same penalty. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 26 我也觉得SHAFT的影响很大
所有我试的几款里面，TM的还是我最喜欢的
当时买R7 LIMITED的时候，被告知SHAFT是TM为那款专门做的，将来想换的话，可以换
个头，保留SHAFT
我的3WOOD原配的SHAFT被我打断了，其实原产品有问题，有个机会让我REFUND了些钱，
我拿那个钱配了一只ALDILA的那款绿色SHAFT，结果成了我最好用的CLUB
听IXCAFE的建议，刚刚新买了支TM的#2 17HYBRID，店员告诉我选那款Aldila VooDoo
VS8的SHAFT，上场球用它的机会不多，但是195顶风，SLIGHT UPHILL的时候，用了它
，打到GREENSIDE，决定把它留下 |
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f******d
发帖数: 390 | 28 我也搞了一只ping g15 3wood
也去抡 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 29 it is hard to imagine to play 6800 yards course without a driver, and it is
even harder to think of shotting 82 on a 6800 yards course without a driver.
man, you should feel fun with only 3woods to shot 82, put into perspective,
tiger only shot 79. //kaka
for driver, taylormade r9 or callaway FT-9 are two good choices.
played |
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f******d
发帖数: 390 | 31 不是吧
我记得上次去练的时候我7铁只有100，但是3wood就可以200
当然我是男的，只是这个也许没啥关系？ |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 32 en, she is a star material. 形象气质 & DEMEANOR 都很好,
watched 17 hole play, her first hybrid (5hybrid?) hit to 180-190 range.
so that 185 + 25 = 210 for 3hybrid or 220 for 5wood, 235 3wood, 250 - 270
for driver.
didn't watch her play 430 yard par4 #18, didn't she use iron for approach?
see if she plays in california
Oct 14-17
CVS/pharmacy LPGA Challenge
【 在 willywufd (WW) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 33 3H or 3W? comparing apples and oranges? I thought you would need a 3 wood
for par5s. I need 3W and 2H or 3H. I don't carry a 5 wood at all.
hybrid
TP |
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b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 34 I saw a used Nike 3 wood with voodoo shaft in good condition at a local
Golfgalaxy for $105. good deal?
hybrid
fill
TP |
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p****4
发帖数: 517 | 35 You must hit hybrid really well. I use 2H to replace 5 wood.
Among all fairway woods, I like TM and Ping.
Among all hybrids, I like TM or Cobra.
hybrid
TP |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 36 now i feel that 3H and 3iron are very mental, because of the burden of
supposed distance.
you are suppose to hit 3H or 3iron the longest (behind FW and driver).
this is a bad idea, often led to over swing or mishit.
from my comparison at range, 3H is a bit shorter than 5 WOOd.
since 5wood is the shorted club among (5w, 3w,driver), so you feel more at
ease, dont you.
for TM burner rescue, i figure you have to get Tour Preferred version.
taylormade superfast reax shaft may be not very good, al |
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p****4
发帖数: 517 | 37 Yes, 2009 TP version is great.
I would hit 3H more like 7i, not 5W.
with |
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p****4
发帖数: 517 | 38 Shaft is important. I started to have Fuji Speeder on my hybrids (Baffler
Pro),. Now every of my woods and hybrids have the Speeder shaft. I may look
into Motore line when the price comes down a little bit.
ozik
shaft
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b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 39 no, it's a Victory, not dymo. Still a good deal?
the
once
swing
good |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 40 fuji speeder not "motore speeder"?
motore speeder may be comparable to aldila voodoo, both mention technologies
to overcome shaft deformation.
i got the baffler 2004, non-pro version. but still feel great about it.
yesterday tried it again, killed one shot, landed near front green, and rolled onto 243 yard green.
definitely felt better than burner rescue 08. and it is only $33.
my 3iron can forever retire now.
look |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 41 brand new adams 9032 speedline titanium drop under $100 today, with voodoo
shaft
could be longer than TM burner TP at lower price. |
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t*******5
发帖数: 300 | 42 俺不忍心看你们受骗，stock shaft丫基本就是个logo，全是oem的，和after market的
是两回事。除了少数几个牌子的少数几个型号。如d3的voodoo和真的voodoo基本一样 |
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p****4
发帖数: 517 | 43 True to some degree. I can not afford to customize each of my clubs. Have to
live with stock on most of them. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 44 titlist did emphasize that D3 use voodoo shaft like after market.
most other manufacturer usually say the shaft were made for them by Adilda,
so i guess Adams get wholesale price on voodoo shafts, so they can afford to
provide at a lower price.
have you ever tried on range with true voodoo vs other shaft? how much is
the difference in terms of distance and ball flight?
i never saw a new club with voodoo offered less than $100 before.
but the store said they will get one from adams, and call m |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 45 looks like some amateurs have had good success with voodoo 75g stiff. and a
stiff voodoo performs okay even swing speed over 120mph. so X-flex is out
of question. adilda stiff generally is harder than stiff shaft by many
other manufacturers.
one way to get a high performance driver/wood is to get a cheaper used
driver head, then install the aftermarket voodoo shaft.
http://www.golfgearreview.com/article-display/3130.html
"After that 332 yard drive, I've been working on a few swing changes a |
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t*******5
发帖数: 300 | 46 反正就记住一点，你可以花150-200去ebay买根顶级杆身，要比花300去买根大牌最新款
的driver要合算。不过其实一般选手的，你用根aldila的nv就够好了，voodoo是牛，但
是就是贵了点。我的建议是，多去逛逛店，多试打，你就有感觉了。现在golf能进步的
也就是shaft了 |
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b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 47 At least some OEM shafts are the same as after market shafts. One example is
Ping's Diamana used on G10 and V2 drivers. BTW, VOODOO shafts are a lot
cheaper these days. They can be foudn for well under $200 on ebay these days
. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 48 tried Fuji speeder shaft on a baffler 2 hybrid. unfortunately i could not
hit single good shot, given 7-8 balls.
also tried voodoo 3 hybrid-FW. could not hit a good one either. hit a draw/
hook with decent distance when tee up. 我在想是不是还是得用那种SHALLOW
FACE 的 ３WOOD （such as big bertha, burner, etc. )
不知为何， 昨天１８度以下的CLUB不TEE UP， 我起不了球。
GOOD SWING 是会丢掉的
也许身体状态一变 （INCLUDING ENERGY LEVEL, I was hungry yesterday at range)
， 以前记住的要领就都不适用了。 还是每个SWING 前都要来个严格的PRE－SHORT
ROUTINE。。。
但是用自己常用的CLUB 还是容易找回SWI |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 49 my swing does not get any better than yesterday (even i had enough sleep and
feel not tired as yesterday)
when swing is bad, equipment upgrade is meaningless.
high end shaft and club design is helpless.
even i try to enforce some pre-shot and rehearse, simply i could not swing
according to the rhythm which was working great 7 days ago. concentrate is
lacking as well, even i do pre-shot routine, i am not paying much attention.
frustrated with the idea of losing a good swing.
what's tip to survi |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 50 我确实有想加强挥竿好时的某些感觉
但是我只记住挥竿好时的一些次要的附带的感觉， 本末倒置，加强次要感觉过头。 忘
了根本的感觉。
好坏反复几次以后， 对根本的感觉的记忆就强了一些。
还是难以很清楚的描述出来，我觉得主要是：
ON PLANE， 这是能否利用TORQUE 和好的节奏发力打的关键。 ON PLANE 是个笼统模
糊的概括。 但是SWING 是躯干胳膊手掌３维的运动，参加的关节太多。
that drive was ultra straight and right in the center of fairway, mid launch
, guess got some nice roll.
maybe 0.5-1.0 club down wind. 那一出竿去， LEVERAGE 的感觉很强. R9 460 is a
great driver.
SWING
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