i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Tri 讨论区 】
发信人: ironman2015 (IMMT 2013), 信区: Tri
标 题: Q&A: Carbon Clincher v Tubular Wheels
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Sep 11 16:16:56 2013, 美东)
http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2013/05/07/qa-carbon-cl
Question: Would please give a brief explanation for the advantages and
disadvantages of carbon tubular and clincher wheels? Is there more to it
than the weight savings of the former and the easy flat-fixing of the latter?
Answer: The carbon tubular rim is lighter due to the lack of bead ... 阅读全帖 |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 2 http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2013/05/07/qa-carbon-cl
Question: Would please give a brief explanation for the advantages and
disadvantages of carbon tubular and clincher wheels? Is there more to it
than the weight savings of the former and the easy flat-fixing of the latter?
Answer: The carbon tubular rim is lighter due to the lack of bead walls. The
tires corner better because they are round in cross section rather than
lobe-shaped like a clincher. They are usually a bit lighter as we... 阅读全帖 |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 3 这就是碳轮，只不过它的最外圈是铝的（Aluminum Clincher），而不是全碳 Full
Carbon Clincher。
这个介绍写的比较具有欺骗性，因为＂Aerodynamics - time and watt savings over
40K for 404 Firecrest Wheelset: 80 seconds / 27 watts. ＂是用404 Firecrest测
出来的。而404 Firecrest只有Tubular（全碳）和Carbon Clincher（全碳）版。
http://www.zipp.com/wheels/index.php
当然404铝Clincher仍然是好轮！花花上次买的好像就是这副。
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 4 就是说有3种：
Aluminum Clincher
Carbon Clincher
Tubular
这三种性能差别大么？如果性能差别不大，是不是Aluminum Clincher最耐用？
比赛如果用Tubular一旦爆胎是不是就得整个轮子一起换？用Clincher就只用换
内胎？他们配套的刹车是一样的么？
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m******r
发帖数: 9604 | 5 网站上：the 404 clincher's 1658g total weight is less than MANY full-carbon
clinchers. 还是比不过碳404的。这个价钱不算超级好吧。我在本地见过有职业选手$
1200出让全新404 carbon clinchers的。另外还有。。。俺就不得色了。。。
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h*****a
发帖数: 1992 | 8 Nice price for a brand-name carbon clincher.
不过，咳咳，那谁，听说费哥最近600刀搞了一对带powertap的Zipp 303... |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 9 【 以下文字转载自 Cycling 讨论区 】
发信人: Rodimus (变叔- 似水流年), 信区: Cycling
标 题: Zipp 404 Aluminum Clincher Wheelset
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 11 11:40:28 2012, 美东)
早上看邮件，看到这么个咚咚：
http://www.nytro.com/index.cfm/product/?ProductID=7867
Aerodynamics - time and watt savings over 40K for 404 Firecrest Wheelset: 80
seconds / 27 watts.
貌似比碳轮还快？如果是真的话，这个比tubular便宜又方便啊？大牛怎么看？ |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 11 http://triathlete-europe.competitor.com/2013/05/07/qa-carbon-cl
Question: Would please give a brief explanation for the advantages and
disadvantages of carbon tubular and clincher wheels? Is there more to it
than the weight savings of the former and the easy flat-fixing of the latter?
Answer: The carbon tubular rim is lighter due to the lack of bead walls. The
tires corner better because they are round in cross section rather than
lobe-shaped like a clincher. They are usually a bit lighter as we... 阅读全帖 |
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I*******a
发帖数: 38 | 12 我是tubular 迷.說話會不客觀. 呵呵
我只是說我知道的.但我知道的也不一定對.(不過至少不是我聽說拉) 呵呵
carbon clincher 重量也沒被帶下去多少(另一點事你看carbon clincher 的邊緣.
如果爆胎.我很怕他會傷到.有可能傷到重傷的情況.不過這是我的猜測.觀望中
王道的意思是快的話.跟其他輪胎比她是王道.但加入其他因素就不一定瞜.所以看你要
的是啥吧
有個鈦的管胎棒.基本上換上去不用4分鐘(小弟用的時間)
備用管胎可以上膠阿.
一個故事.當初cervelo 推出r5ca. 去拉斯維加斯展覽時.因為太受歡迎了.所以在大家
都不之道的情況下把展覽的r5ca給了一個pro騎.騎了一禮拜才發現一點膠都沒有在輪胎
或是輪子上.pro的轉彎大家知道的.
但請各位上膠.因為有人出過事的.這故事只是跟大家說比賽用管胎可以不用怕 |
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I*******a
发帖数: 38 | 13 tubular 比較起來還是比較不耐用的.越好的胎越不耐用.
金錢比較起來是要花比較多錢的.
比較起來tubular還是比較麻煩.止不過對我來說可以接受.
是不容易爆.但請一定上膠...我們店裡聽說7年前有人掉胎過.膠還是要的.過彎時不要
壓太多.
沒有綜合考慮拉.要追求最快請用clincher. 比賽時的備胎我在家已經上過很薄的5層膠
了(tubular花多點時間.Rolling resistance 也會好一點.如果是比賽用一定上膠不上
膠帶.膠帶的Rolling resistance沒有膠好. )爆胎直接換.不用上膠.另一個tubular的
好處是.不用檢查.你要是clincher沒檢查好.尖銳的東西還在胎上.可能會跟小時候開汽
水罐時一樣.再來一次.(止不過這次會很不開心而已)
tubular說實話也會.因為你一定是把她綁起來.有時綁太久會傷到內胎.我自己中過一次
直接call out給朋友了
在聲明一次.如果用管胎請上膠上好了..騎車這東西不要拿命開玩笑 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 14 学习了，追求最快最便宜的WSN，还是决定用carbon clincher了．．．．
carbon clincher的轮子有啥推荐么， 除了铁哥那对williams以外... |
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h*****a
发帖数: 1992 | 15 http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/3355237550.html
Carbon Wheel Sale
Clearing out the Garage of a bunch of Slipstream (Garmin Pro Team) Carbon
wheels. They all have to go and there are some great deals. None have been
raced and all are in great shape. All sold as is, no skewers.
Pick-up in Palo Alto.
All full sets (front and back). If there are tires and cassettes (all Dura
Ace) on the wheels you can keep them.
Zipp Zed Tech 404s - $850 (zipp ceramic bearings)
Image:
Image: http://cl.ly/image/2... 阅读全帖 |
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m******r
发帖数: 9604 | 16 没标明clincher的就是管胎吧？俺真心想把现在的这对轮给卖了再买一对clincher. 今
天游泳换自行车的时候一紧张，忘把备胎带上了。一路上心惊胆战，求神拜佛不要爆胎
。不过这tt车加碳轮骑起来可不是一般的爽啊 |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 17 【 以下文字转载自 Tri 讨论区 】
发信人: ironman2015 (IMMT 2013), 信区: Tri
标 题: 周五放毒－slowtwich.com P5 test bikes
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Sep 13 14:23:01 2013, 美东)
V2.0
http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Tri_Bike_by_brand/Cervelo/Th
The v2 Cervelo P5 test bike looks very comfortable in that industrial place.
We swapped out SRAM Red for Shimano Ultegra Di2 shifting.
The Magura hydraulic brakes are still on and likely will stay on.
The junction box could easily be hidden inside the stem,and this is not the
final place... 阅读全帖 |
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 19 一般是700c, 我其实也不知道多大，wiki了一下，似乎直径是一样大的：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicycle_wheel#700C_Road_bicycle_wh
29 inch wheels/ISO 622
Main article: 29er (bicycle)
“29-inch wheels”, which also conform to the popular 700C (622 mm diameter
clincher wheel standard) are becoming more popular for not only cyclocross
bikes but also cross-country mountain bikes for larger riders. Their rim
diameter of 622 mm (~24.5 inch) is identical to most road, hybrid and
touring bicycle wheels but are typically reinforced fo... 阅读全帖 |
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w***n
发帖数: 9040 | 20 前两周我也看碳轮来着，差点买了一套。
我的梦想终极装备。
车子：P5
前轮：ZIPP 404 Firecrest® Carbon Clincher
后轮：ZIPP 808 Firecrest® Carbon Clincher |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 21 V2.0
http://www.slowtwitch.com/Products/Tri_Bike_by_brand/Cervelo/Th
The v2 Cervelo P5 test bike looks very comfortable in that industrial place.
We swapped out SRAM Red for Shimano Ultegra Di2 shifting.
The Magura hydraulic brakes are still on and likely will stay on.
The junction box could easily be hidden inside the stem,and this is not the
final place but it is actually out of the wind here too.
Plug in and charge the battery here, this way you don't have to get to the
battery in the seat tu... 阅读全帖 |
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M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 22 http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/medcartel.htm
The amount now spent on medical care by Americans is about twenty percent
more than they spend on food and about ten percent more than they spend on
housing. Some portion of the increased costs comes from the development of
new and expensive procedures, but that is only part of the story. The rise
in the cost of medical care is said to be out of control and somewhat of a
mystery. However there is really no mystery involved. It is due to the
subsi... 阅读全帖 |
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d******a
发帖数: 32122 | 23 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
grasswalker (饭后百步走) 于 (Sun Apr 1 00:29:47 2012, 美东) 提到:
这个很奇妙啊
一个月几千块钱的多了去了，别人都该抢银行去了？
别跟我说啥多少年教育，妈的街上要饭的还有发过science的呢
国内大学毕业，硕士毕业不如狗的多了去了，怎么医生们不拿高薪就可以昧着良心？
☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
ibmgoog (终极winner米帝万岁) 于 (Sun Apr 1 00:50:03 2012, 美东) 提到:
你也是民运老将了
你不明白么？
这个世界，各个行业都捏着把刀，每个行业的人都试图磨刀霍霍从别人那里砍下一块属
于自己的肉
医生，律师，法院，政府，都是要害
他们往这儿偏一偏，对过路人都是要命的事情
你想想，如果你要被开膛破肚了，你有胆对医生讨价还价么？你还想不想活了？ 你是
想术后1年恢复呢？还是留个终身病根？ 你跟医生打官司？你打得起么？ 人体很复杂
的，有些人就可以1年恢复，有... 阅读全帖 |
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m****g
发帖数: 3975 | 24 http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/nov/02/americans-v
Americans would like to vote out Obama, but Romney makes it difficult
Sandy may have tipped the balance back in favour of the president days
before the US election
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Barack Obama
Barack Obama, whose campaign has a revived momentum. Photograph: Jewel Samad
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On the BBC a few weeks ago the New York Times pundit David Brooks explained
to his British audience that American vo... 阅读全帖 |
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m****g
发帖数: 3975 | 25 http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/nov/02/americans-v
Americans would like to vote out Obama, but Romney makes it difficult
Sandy may have tipped the balance back in favour of the president days
before the US election
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Barack Obama
Barack Obama, whose campaign has a revived momentum. Photograph: Jewel Samad
/AFP/Getty Images
On the BBC a few weeks ago the New York Times pundit David Brooks explained
to his British audience that American vo... 阅读全帖 |
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m****g
发帖数: 3975 | 26 http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/nov/02/americans-v
Americans would like to vote out Obama, but Romney makes it difficult
Sandy may have tipped the balance back in favour of the president days
before the US election
Share
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Email
Barack Obama
Barack Obama, whose campaign has a revived momentum. Photograph: Jewel Samad
/AFP/Getty Images
On the BBC a few weeks ago the New York Times pundit David Brooks explained
to his British audience that American vo... 阅读全帖 |
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m****g
发帖数: 3975 | 27 http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/nov/02/americans-v
Americans would like to vote out Obama, but Romney makes it difficult
Sandy may have tipped the balance back in favour of the president days
before the US election
Share
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Email
Barack Obama
Barack Obama, whose campaign has a revived momentum. Photograph: Jewel Samad
/AFP/Getty Images
On the BBC a few weeks ago the New York Times pundit David Brooks explained
to his British audience that American vo... 阅读全帖 |
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m****g
发帖数: 3975 | 28 http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2012/nov/02/americans-v
Americans would like to vote out Obama, but Romney makes it difficult
Sandy may have tipped the balance back in favour of the president days
before the US election
Share
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inShare2
Email
Barack Obama
Barack Obama, whose campaign has a revived momentum. Photograph: Jewel Samad
/AFP/Getty Images
On the BBC a few weeks ago the New York Times pundit David Brooks explained
to his British audience that American vo... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****r
发帖数: 8227 | 29 According to the rumor, the Obama administration could announce a program
modeled on one that was originally devised by Columbia University economists
Glenn Hubbard and Christopher Mayer. Under that plan, all homeowners with a
Fannie or Freddie-backed mortgage can refinance with a new mortgage at a
fixed rate of 4.2% or less if they have been current on their payments for
at least three months. And the clincher is that the plan imposes no other
qualification - no appraisal or income verification... 阅读全帖 |
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d******8
发帖数: 1972 | 30 Obama $1 Trillion Mortgage Fix Rumor Pushing Bank Stocks
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11366791/1/obama-1-trillion-mort
NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Bank stocks were reversing early losses and rising
Thursday afternoon, amid market chatter that President Obama might soon
announce a massive refinancing program that could help boost housing and the
economy in the election year.
A blog post by Jim Pethokoukis at the American Enterprise Institute appears
to be generating much excitement on Twitter, alth... 阅读全帖 |
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z******n
发帖数: 1223 | 31 个人总体感觉不如08时候乐观
07 WS Ellsbury和Pedroia两个新秀状态火热，Lester 赢了clincher，农场里还有个赛
季末扔过no hitter的Buchholz。看起来比今年更sustainable
投手方面，明年希望看到Allen Webster的进步，今年很多场次太慌张了，他可是被夸
有Ace潜质的。希望明年季中提上来能立住。
打线缺乏一垒手的长远方案，捕手人才济济却没有能马上顶上的 |
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z******n
发帖数: 1223 | 32 每次有球队由于冬季交易成为大热都会让我想起2008 Tigers
冬天换来了Miguel Cabrera（25岁），06WS的班底还在，开季前被ESPN捧为可进WS（对
决响尾蛇），结果七连败,前12场2-10开局，一直没缓过来。
2011红袜也是如此，那大概是我见过的唯一一年ESPN开季捧红袜。
今年好像捧的就是Nationals和Angels（也许是Blue Jays，但是第二第三应该就是这两
队，并说Nationals会赢）
这几年冬天做了大买卖又能马上夺冠的大概就是2009 Yankees了吧，买入Teixeira立竿
见影
ps:这是两年前一篇恶搞文，每年WS之后都要拿出来回味一下，2034年的冠军上海运动
家队一共搬了四回家且到哪都能拿冠军
http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7152611/st-louis-cardi
另外关于2013年的预测居然有一句接近命中：
resurgent pitchers A.J. Burnett and John Lackey share World Series MVP
honors afte... 阅读全帖 |
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z******n
发帖数: 1223 | 33 Smoltz有过先发单季20+胜(1996,24)，也有过单季50+save（2002,55）
分享这个履历的仅有一人，Hall of Famer Dennis Eckersley (1978,20;1992,51)
Eckersley做先发12年，没有Smoltz牛但也积累了近140多胜；到A‘s转为中继、closer
又坚持了13年，390 save史上第二，1992年cy young+MVP大约是史上惟一中继投手达成
此成就
首投名人堂。
Closer的位置越来越专门化，而最伟大closer Mo做先发的经历并不耀眼，不过标准放
低一点（比如生涯50+save且拿过单季10+胜）还是能找到通吃两面的行家：
最近的冠军队伍里有过starter-closer双重经历的有2008年Phillies的Brett Myers，
07年有21 save，08年转做先发10胜，WS输掉一场。后来在Houston大星星做过两年Ace
和半年Closer
Derek Lowe比较有名，2000（42 save）、2001两年是closer；2004年拿到三个系列赛
clincher的胜投
Ryan... 阅读全帖 |
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l******o
发帖数: 67 | 34 科比是命好，韦德要不是伤病和队友屎，成就肯定前三。 看看 科比 的抱大腿记录
From 99/00 to 01/02
Lakers - 25-7 (0.781 win%) without Kobe
Lakers - 13-13 (0.500 win%) without Shaq
Shaq = won all those rings by himself
2003
Lakers = 45-22 with Shaq (0.672 win%)
Lakers = 5-10 without Shaq (0.333 win%)
2004
Kobe and Shaq both missed 15+ games so I won't use W-L data
Kobe = all time playoff missed shots leader
Shaq = all time playoff off. rebounds leader (getting Kobe all his
opportunities)
PLAYOFF USAGE%
00 Shaq= 31.2...Kobe= 26.7 - Cham... 阅读全帖 |
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p******x
发帖数: 441 | 36 上学逛街专用的廉价clincher轮组，2块钱一条的内胎，可以随便爆。 |
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h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 37 Nice! pics?
I have been eying the Reynolds assault clincher lately. How do you like the
Carbone? |
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W****1
发帖数: 118 | 38 这个价钱还可以接受，是不是今年的？ 如果不是急用的话。有的时候在 eBay 上还可
以找到更便宜的。 |
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h******2
发帖数: 1498 | 39 www.zipp.com
yes, standard tire/tube would fit the clincher version.
price ranging $300-3k per wheel. |
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l********m
发帖数: 191 | 40 谢谢大家给我消毒，这东西确实没止境，就不长草了
多谢kenter,socratis,shallpion给我的建议，还是PB买一辆吧
我又看到一款2010 Fuji Roubaix 1.0 （$899），跟R-570一个价钱，但是Sram Rival
配件，小弟对Sram一无所知，上网看了看ms是Sram推出来跟Ultegra对抗的?而且Rival
的shifters是Carbon的！？这样子的话我肯定奔Fuji了，比R-570还划算呀，而且感觉
颜色也比10款570好一些
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_107758
BOTTOM BRACKET: FSA MegaExo Exterior Bearing System
BRAKES: Tektro R-580 dual pivot w/cartridge pads
CASSETTE: SRAM PG-1070, 11-26T 10-speed
CHAIN: KMC DX10
CRANKSET: FSA Gossamer MegaExo w... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****a
发帖数: 1992 | 41 For tires, try www.probikekit.com. Their mid to high end clincher tires
price are pretty competitive.
Sometime there are 5% or 10% coupon for the site as well. Search the
Internet.
Continental Gatorskin will be a good choice. |
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J********e
发帖数: 2284 | 42 用的是最传统的低帮clincher wheel叫做Williams System 19。 |
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f**********e
发帖数: 1994 | 43 光想到要除膠黏框就一個頭兩個大。tubular 還是留給有 team car 的牛人用吧。這年
頭好的 carbon clincher 也不會重多少，也不會貴太多。我實在不太相信以我們的水
平，會需要 tubular 那一點點的優勢。
时谁拿这个出来拉风啊? |
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f**********e
发帖数: 1994 | 44 曾经有过这样的一对轮组，我没有珍惜（mountain view performance bike，
Zipp 303/404 dimpled carbon clincher, $1150 combined, brand new),
等到失去了，却又追悔莫级。如果要为这样的的 deal 加一个期限，我希望是
一万年。。。 |
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w*****h
发帖数: 1770 | 45 前一阵看到有大概1k左右，不过是clincher + aluminum braking surface. |
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h*****a
发帖数: 1992 | 47 bso ah...
"Pouring cold water", much effect of an aero wheelset is psycological. You "
feel" you are fast when you ride an aero wheelset, but study has shown that
an aero helmet reduces power required for a timetrial much more than an aero
wheelset does.
carbon |
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m******r
发帖数: 9604 | 48 #@%!#... Joe Wong says: then why did you tell me?!
俺的头盔也升级了。在PB买了个像样点的road helmet. 我骑车头皮老痒痒，戴着aero
helmet没法挠。
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that
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R*****s
发帖数: 41236 | 49 但我看有些人比赛也不带那个水滴帽啊，比如那个Chrissie Wellington?
"
that
aero |
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h*****a
发帖数: 1992 | 50 An aero helmet is warmer. Some people don't like it especially in hot
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