v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 1 "5. Right hadn. 右手的作用就是个挂钩，在down swing过程中钩住杆，避免early
rel
ease, 然后在双手经过肚脐的时候及时地release, 以实现杆头速度对手速度的最大比
值。"
agree. pretty good teaching.
right elbow close to hip bone during the downswing.
left arm keep straight during take-away, upswing to get more arc for
acceleration.
at beginning, i focused too much on my shoulder turn, so tried to make fast
body turn, not only hard to keep balance, but also offset set club speed... |
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 2 a question. I always can't co-ordinate my lower and upper body rotations
very well. we all know downswing starts from the lower body rotation, but
once i turn my hip, my upper body will follow too quickly and it's going
outside-in. Is it because I'm lack of fitness? I gotta tilt my body a little
bit to the rightside in order to delay my shoulder turn. but it naturally
causes my hip's "lateral shift", which I don't like. Because it's very hard
to control the timing, as long as any overshift, my u |
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 3 in Jim Hardy's one plane swing theory, he also say if your backswing is on
the plane, you can start your downswing by turning your body's big muscle(
the torso you mentioned) as hard as you can, but not the hip rotation only.
自然 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 4 check out ben hogan's demo on how to lead with mid-section, watch the angle
between his arms and club shaft no change at beginning stage of downswing...
quoting "他认为一个好的挥杆应该是从上身的mid-section启动，也就是肚脐到横膈膜
之间这个位置。set up的时候全身都是放松的，只有这里和相对应的背部有些tension.
他建议平时就可以联系用这个部位（或者说把意念集中在这个部位），练习左右转身
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 5 attached tw,sg,ak swinglex video down_the_line
check the 3rd row of attached picture:
when the right elbow reaches right side belly, the club shaft is aligned to
right forearm, and the club head is well behind torso.
i checked my slow motion swing video, not even close. tried to do it in
front of mirror in slow down motion, i have to do swing very different from
now. or take a very different swing plane from now.
i think this is a check point for efficient swing. gotta take me another 3 -
6 mont |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 6 especially helpful to see the downswing
need 200fps or above.
ex-f1 is too expensive, ex-fh20 is about $550 ( i bought one for $525, 20 optical zoom), not sure other models have 200fps or plus high speed video mode.
found HS in other models:
Casio EXILIM EX-FS10 and EX-FC100 specifications have it, for around $350.
shooting high speed video requires ample lighting, otherwise it will be very dark.
burst shooting mode is not good enough. |
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F*****y
发帖数: 100 | 7 每个人都要经过的阶段,如果动作不对的话,提高到一定程度就很难再向上了.不是
CONSISTENCY就是DISTANCE会撞到CEILING.我刚开始也是差不多这个DISTANCE,后来动作
提高了后,现在大概能打140-150.SOLID CONTACT比什么都重要. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 8 我当初练习这个动作时，试着把右脚固定在地面上越长时间越好，另外，试着放松腿部
和臀部。
练习这个动作的关键还是需要个放松的感觉，就比如你自然的转臀，没球杆在手的时候
，就那么自然。
如果腿和臀越紧张，臀部做的动作很可能是个向着目标方向的平移，就是所谓的
lateral move， 这个造成的结果很可能就是击薄了。 |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 10 已经打了500个球了，还一点感觉都没有。基本等于回零了。人武林高手是练到一种境
界就什么招式都忘了，我连了3个多月自废武功呀。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 11 i thought I returned to 0 in last July.
after i've been playing 4 years, and shot 70s quite often. |
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y**********7
发帖数: 769 | 12 初学时, 完全不必使用名牌和昂贵的球杆. 这时主要是学习技术.
"刨地"是因为你在左腿没有完全站直前,手已经释放(release)了. 造成杆头在触球前触地.
打高尔夫球必须不用力. 落杆(Downswing)是一个自由落体加钟摆运动. 手和胳膊都非常松, 只提供运动轨迹. 这样才可以打的准和速度快. Tiger Woods 在他的书中提到, "Loose muscle faster."
如果你能打100个球后, 胳膊完全不疼, 那就入门了. 祝你成功.
发信人: bluerock (...), 信区: Golf
标 题: Re: 高手们帮忙
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 15 22:00:53 2009)
主要还是刨得我那胳膊疼 ！！！ ：） |
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y**********7
发帖数: 769 | 13 麻猫, supination 是正确挥杆的必然结果. 不是刻意做出来的. 刻意去做不但做不好,
手腕还容易受伤. 事实上, 如果顺其自然的话，应是supination 而不是pronation.
在杆头触球的瞬间(at impact), 如果你的左腿已经站直, 身体重心已经从右脚转到左
脚, 下身(胯部)已经45度open, 上身基本正对球与setup时差不多, 而你的双臂与上身
绞合(hinge)保持得很好的话, 你的左碗必定在杆头的前面(相对目标而言, 即离目标近
). 这时, supination 是必然的. 不可能是pronation. 如果, 你认为pronation是顺其
自然,那么你的swing就不可能正确.
这个录像我觉得不错. 你可以再看几遍, 仔细研究(不妨分解后,逐格研究). 只要握杆
, 手腕, 手臂都很松, 挥杆smooth并在杆头触球前保持头不动, 落杆(downswing)是自由落体+钟摆运动, 你就容易打得准而不容易伤手腕. 切记不要用力和人为制造紧张(tension). |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 14 downswing key moment comparison with pro.
check the 3rd row (tiger,garcia,ak,jim fyruk,me): not exactly what i expect,
but getting close. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 15 too much pressure on his left knee when he is doing his swing.
i would say it's his lateral move befor the downswing, especailly, for his d
river.
you guys heard about a x-factor which tells how to hit ball further. bigger
x, longer ball.
if people keeps doing the x-factor things, I am not surprised the knees woul
d be hurt. |
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v****e
发帖数: 19471 | 16 主要学到的就是一点：take away的过程中逐渐开始左手腕的"hinge"，而不是等到9点位
置（通常所说的position 1)再开始。如果到position 1才开始hinge的话，通常club f
ace没有足够时间get square at top，造成N个关联的问题：
1，club face closed at top.
2, swing looks more flat than upright
3, no club head lag on downswing
第三点是结果，直接的表现是hit fat, 或者high slice。做到手腕逐渐hinge，可以像
tiger那样每次set up之后，左右摆动两三次手腕，也就是waggle the wrist. Anthony
Kim每次set up之后所作的是把球杆挥到position 1的位置然后检查自己club head是不
是指向上方。
说起来很technical, 但关键就是要给手腕足够的时间去build up the hinge，这样dow
nswing的时候才能有那个lag and whip, 也就才会有所谓的hi |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 17 因为练draw练的，我的swing又开始struggle了，
基本上就是slice,而原因就是我下盘在downswing时的lateral move<
club face永远在接触时处于开放状态。
身体不太听话。
今天去一个私立球场，Jack nicklause设计的7050码左右，打得更sh*t..
记得上周也是第一打个新球场，也打了75。
懒得管这swing事了。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 18 checked out kenny perry swing. i think it does not look bad.
look at his spine angle, lack of extra moving parts of body, compressing
down upon ground during downswing, pronation/supration, release, all look
great.
of course, kenny's left arm bends a little, does not recoil as much compared
to tiger, els (those guys arm/body lines like drawn with ruler)
kenny perry swing front view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTJZjNC983o
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 19 那pull的感觉是有些左手“领导”的感觉。 双手永远都是在球杆头前可能最能体现这
个lead和pull了。
这里还有一点的 就是，body不能在downswing时，overrace身体了。 就是不能在下杆
是身体做lateral move了，否则也没法做到“手”在杆头的前头。
这些一个swing的顺序关系，理解起来不难，主要还是如何练习来达到这种稳定的效果。
比如我吧，前些日子动作超自信的时候，基本上就只担心我对距离判断的不好。 而现
在，因为练习draw，整得身体做很多lateral move，这样肩膀和手就协调不上，打超多
cut/slice..
这2天在练习场上调整呢。
to
holding
to
the pull feeling ET talked about? left hand pulling could prevent left
wrist break, it feels like so. |
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r*********l
发帖数: 120 | 20 thanks yellowstone7
learned sth today for the iron downswing |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 21 he put so much hard work, he changed his swing, flatter, and laid off at top
like xia ke finding the key "martial arts skill" secret book
new
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWkJiDrha4A
old
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OILWOH8T_EI
"O'Hair lives outside Philadelphia year-round. He uses an indoor driving
range to work on his game."
"I've completely changed my swing. My setup is different, my backswing is
different and my downswing is different. Basically what I've done has been
to take the left s |
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h******u
发帖数: 341 | 23 嗯，确实是我一个不好的习惯。
以前在改正动作的时候，习惯了扭头check position，到后来就改不过来了，总是想看
杆头。不过头扭过去了以后，身体转动的余地也有提高，距离有所增加。我想如果能保
持downswing时头部的水平高度，问题应该不会太大吧。
右腿抬直的问题：不知道如何解决，如果身体不稍为直起来一点，杆头往往会提早着地
。不知道是不是我的右手肘及右手腕release太早了。 |
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z***u
发帖数: 115 | 24 膝盖转的时候，naturally左膝就是往前和往里的，外八字不是很怪么？
hip lateral shift是老topic了，建议去看一下jim hardy关于swing plane的书。个人
觉得，关于这个问题，这书讲得最清楚。简单点说：two plane swing需要lateral
shift，one plane swing不需要lateral shift。lateral shift的目的是让downswing
能够回到正确的挥杆平面上，坏处在于很难control timing。 |
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M*******n
发帖数: 508 | 25 到borders瞄了一眼hardy的书，好像他把这个当作地理大发现一样自豪。回头到
drivinig range上体会体会。自个儿感觉好像我现在正在向two-plane swing靠拢。
hardy更偏爱one-plane.应该有些道理吧
downswing |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 26 this is the dtl swing sequence, took yesterday after work at home. should
be the swing i used at course.
as you can see downswing and impact the comparison, hands and shoulders. i
know i am still a flipper, no right hand and forearm roll over left. what i
did is the swing thought to add the right hand/forearm roll, and left hand
leading the impact.
still way to go to have sth similiar to ELS... |
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r*********l
发帖数: 120 | 27 I am getting used to the interlock grip but happened to know overlap is more
common. Why is that?
Also, I used to hold the club fairly tight, or in high pressure. I knew it
sounds incorrect. How tight you guys hold the club? Any difference between
the hands?
Your wrists is supposed to be hinged on the top of backswing. What about
downswing? Should the wrists remind flex to be able to rotate by the
movement of club head? Or the wrists should be in control of the club all
the way to follow-throug |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 28 heard at address, grip pressure is 5 in a scale of 1-10.
i figure this pressure remain during backswing, and early stage of downswing
, until 9 clock position.
then grip pressure increase during impact zone, to square club face and
impart speed to ball.
not sure about follow tho stage, should no worry, as long as you hold on
the releasing club. but it's better to hold your left wrist firm...
according to brian gay's coach, something you do in follow tho would have
some effects, because "u |
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b*******e
发帖数: 724 | 29 我想至少有两点可以帮助你CONTROL你的OVERTURNING.首先,你的头转的太多了,在
BACKSWG过程中你可能有一半时间看不到球,DOWNSWING时头要转回来很多,这样一来很难
CONSISTENT.第二,你的腰部以下转的太多了,适当RESTRAINT LOWER BODY可以帮助你
TIGHTEN UP. |
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n*****0
发帖数: 185 | 30 我现在控制腰部，好多了。
你说的很对，“头转的太多了,在: BACKSWG过程中你可能有一半时间看不到球”,
我downswing 的时候基本上不看球，就是flush.你是如何做到转腰但是头部转的不多?
保持头部不动？ |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 31 当我想打好球的时候，通常都打不好。像ET说的，我认为自己就是来呼吸新鲜空气，来
走路的，是来enjoy户外的，这样就会放松。
I also try to develop a pre-swing routine. Like align myself, grip correctly
, then when I swing, my mind is free of any thought or I only remember one
thing. (Currently, it is turn my hip to initiate the downswing). This way it
is just like practicing on the driving range. I do my routine, I don't feel
I'm swinging. It just happens automatically. |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 32 自从上次ET说到reverse pivot问题后，我已经有所注意。上杆的时候shoulder turn幅度更大，这样重心会转移到右腿。上次babyhorse建议address ball的时候左脚open，我采用他的建议后左膝盖已经没有内弯的那么厉害了。具体改善了多少，等下回拍video再看吧。
今天找教练，开始我和他沟通了一下说看我自己的视频，有reverse pivot, 左膝内弯严重和spine angle在impact的时候改变的问题。他看了一会儿说，这些问题他都不认为有。我就暂且认为我的调整有所改善吧。
今天最关键的他说我在initiate downswing的时刻臀部有严重的slide问题。所以不是hip turn，而是hip slide把重心带动到左侧。我想这也是为什么我现在打球经常thin，要不就是top over的问题。（今天打球的地方是草地）后来仔细看了看视频，hip slide的真的很严重。他说我的hip能slide 4，5 inches.
现在看来得找些drill来解决这个问题。This is actually what I found:
http://www.s |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 33 I think you are right. At least about the take-away and upswing part.
But I don't shift weight to the back foot during the downswing. I'm gonna
take a closer look about divot. Now, I think more carefully. You might be
right. It seems my divot sometimes starts behind the ball. Never paid too
much attention before. |
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d*******r
发帖数: 590 | 34 看看这篇纽约时报的文章摘要：
......
Not to add insult to injury, but if you're a hacker with a slice, you also
are more likely to develop an elbow or wrist problem. Foster said that those
injuries were often the byproduct of a swing in which the wrists release
prematurely. Start the downswing with your wrists instead of your hips and
shoulders, and not only will you be looking for that banana-ball shot in the
woods, but you might also be trying to rub the tendinitis out of your
leading elbow. Other observatio |
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u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 35 dont think so.
what's the percentage of those players that have so much 'uniq' swing among
pros?
IMO, all pros swing in the same way, especially the downswing part. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 36 不看他的backswing,他的downswing还是fundamental solid的。
其实他的backswing现在看起来也比以前还多了。
比较nasty的一个是Seigo Garcia,一个是sabatini.
所以我说嘛，大家对形式不要太在乎，掌握contact是根本。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 37 i don't believe "no use 腕力" either, heard so many pro players hurts their
wrists...
look at pro player's face during downswing,,, most of times, tense and
grimace...
guess yellowston was emphasizing something esle like rhythm and tempo. ding
ET's word, no buying range finder or gps, you don't know how 290 or 300
comes out...
golf mucle is kind of special tho, people play golf young, get chance to
develop their golf muscle strength and explosiveness, and flexiblity, even
they don't look paticula |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 38 heard "drop the club into the "slot" before entering" from often from
instruction material.
not sure how to implement it:
ben hogan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL_6M_xZvq0
demoed that just practice the early part of downswing
hitting longer is kind of adrenline driven, a bit macho man stuff
but now i realized carry 250,drive 260 is never easy task for average
golfers.
choi and johnson are pros for years, if they carry that much 260 and more,
then it's going to be very hard for average guys. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 39 已经很久以来显示不稳定了。
看着他的动作，我就想起我前端时间的挣扎。
他driver开球长久以来的slice，大部分就是他的lateral movement，而且，他的手（
forearm)的动作，按照pro randy的说法就是，不release.
其实我后来意识到，如果重心不转移，或者downswing的时候首先做的lateral move，
很难保证stay head behind the ball， 这接着造成的结果就是球杆面在接触球的时候
不是square的，击出的球2个特点，一个就是直接讲球jam出右边，big push，还有就是
勉强的slice。
像我前段时间，即使driver不好，woods开球还行。和tiger这段也挺类似。 |
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q******3
发帖数: 622 | 40 终于看到减肥雪茄的swing了。很不错呀。年轻身体就是好。有弹性。你的backswing跟
我差不多，都是过头。
一点小建议。你uncock太早了，你看看你driver downswing到水平的时候的角度，已经
135度了，power早早leak了。可惜。否则driver还能加上不少yardage。
你的wedge打的很好。羡慕。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 41 also checked my recent impact and release, still some flipping linger(past
impact, still Y shape for lucas, but me club past hands still a bit quicker)
, but better than a while ago
pro references here tiger and lucas golver
it takes long time to change anything during downswing.
about flat left wrist, check this out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm8nXn34yUU
from |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 42 swing sequence and video uploaded at youtube
seems that my hip rotation during downswing could be better. (spine angle at impact is less than at address)
also swing path is still kind of out-to-in often...
DTL view different from PRO such as ELS, tiger, garcia etc, but closer to Phil and Villegas... |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 43 a highhander like you even feel this way about golf swing.
golf swing is such an unnatural movement.
but do you have to go-to swing thought or routine to correct ball flight?
yesterday early morning play, finnally i was able to correct slice and hit
straight drive at some holes. i have to think about it, and rehearse for a
min before i pull the trigger.
for me, the main things i work on are:
shoulder turn, downswing swing path, and keep head still and spine angle
unchanged, right hand roll ov |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 44 reminds me that in june 2009, my fairway hit is 70% average 210yard. but
iron play so much worse than my averge. otherwise may break 100 there.
driver swing is more of sweep feeling, while iron swing is more of up and
down...
总往右偏, me too once upon time. here was what i tried:
first of all, make sure you absolutely aware the lowest point of your iron
swing is, and the lowest point of your downswing should be ahead of ball.
so clubface contact ball first... contact ground first will lead to |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 45 lunch break golfer, die hard golf fan.
i lunch and golf too sometimes:) there are coworkers hiking trails around company
building... i wonder why not walking with putter and wedge
handsome swing... some similiarity to tiger's head going down during early
part of downswing.
some difference i notice from pro swing, you head and upper body moving forward before impact. the swing in the video produce a low shot? |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 46 tiger 他的hip 在target line 方向 动的真他吗少啊!
tiger's left hip does not move at all from address to top of back swing...
same for the right hip. how could this be possible, must be very limited hip
turn.
his right hip move to target only 1-2 inches from address during downswing.
上竿他头不动
下竿开始头下沉一点, near impact 头稍微往上和后面动一点点
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2HKaqzFKVk |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 47 TOO BUSTY 影响 SWING. no wonder you don't find many busty ladies in LPGA,
isn't it...
PHIL 是个 １９０＋ CM 的大个 with wide shoulders
所以有空间让他的BOOB 让开 胳膊 during backswing and downswing....
but, have you gusy noticed that phil rarely hold his finish... he always take club off the finish position very quickly, i was wondering if it is because his BOOBs bounce his arms back... |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 48 Initiate your downswing with your lower body, moving the right knee toward
the left one, opening the hips, shifting the weight, and then having your
shoulder and arms follow along... |
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 49 Don't swing down with your arms earlier than your upper body movement. the
downswing starts with your lower body, followed by the upper body and lastly
the hands and arms. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 50 最近您的POST大多都打过GREEN.
技术上是什么提高？ 有拍SWING VIDEO 吗
one technique to increase coil is said to start to make transition from
backswing to downswing before set wrist at the top)
最近我觉得我终于能改动作了, 可能是 overhaul.. (from foot work, left hip move
, swing path, wrist pronation/supination)
其实有很多INSTRUCTOR 和PRO都提到IMPACT HAND POSITION (LEFT HAND BOW), but it
is an effect of proper left wrist supination. (hogan's fundamental)..
http://www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyle/health_and_fitness/2007-11_tigers_impact_position |
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