f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 hehe, met one guy a few weeks back. he only bought in for the minimum, $60
for 1/2NL table, looked like that's the maximum he could afford.....
he played a few hands, doubled with premium hands.... then one hand i played
against him, i hit nuts straight on the river, bet $45 (big for him, pot
was about ~$100)... took a long time for him to call (only got ~$30 left
after it)... however, one loose guy went all-in behind him with ~$65 or so..
. i happily called, waiting for him to call such a have- |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 2 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - -3000 hehe,I like NL much better. If I go back to limit now I would be bored to
death, or more likely, act like a donkey. Swing-wise, I don't know, it's
definitely much bigger swing if you count it by BB, but for the same kind of
bankroll, no-limit player also has much smaller BB than limit player. I've
had 300BB downswing in limit before, boy it felt much worse actually.
I'll move down to NL200 for a while, actually the loss is not as brutal as
it sounds. I'm still life-time winner on nl400, but I di |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 3 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 一个牛人. And by the way, in short term, playing a ton of high buy-in sng can cause a
huge down swing.
Just watched a 9ppl sng FTP good player, and complain he has a 15k downing
swing during 12 days, and 30k downswing in 1.5 months. But he is still a
very good sng player on FTP, total profit from sng is over 150k.(it is a lot, since sng's roi usually around 10%-15%, must play 1million$ for 9ppl sng already in 2 years)
And you can see that kennl guy has big down swing on sng also. 4k-5k(considering the gam |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 得意一下 your number is super good.
I have downswing on other poker site. can not maintain 8bb/100.
2 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 5 normal
I have seen one buddy has 19 full buyin downswing in a day.
last on, in 1.5 hours session, he gets 15 full buyin back. |
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i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 6 if you keep playing above your roll, just a few beats will destroy you.
keep in mind, this is not even a downswing.
and
I
any
cards
higher |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 i believe big pros play more limit games for a reason.
swings in NL set back 快 a lot.
and online games change the poker world a lot, too many ppl get huge
practices nowadays, and the pro edge is really shrinking. then if you only
have a small edge, luck in NL affects your results big. even top NL pros
like tom dwan could have a 2/3 bankroll downswing in just one summer. gus
hanson lost a ton too.
20 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 8 from my experience. You do not need do this. If you are confident that you
can beat certain games. You just keep playing it. It will have downswings,
but in the long run, you will up.
Surely, if you do not think you can play well certain days, just skip it,
since no one wants to lose money and pay energy and time to lose money. |
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t******b
发帖数: 56 | 9 downswing happens. just make sure you have more than 30 buyins of the stake
you play. moving down and rebuilding bankroll are also good. game selection
is very important in low-mid stakes game.
t
call
As
temper |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 10 1. bankroll management. iam a BR nitty so i use 100 BI. you can be more
brave and use 20BI, as long as you are willing to move down when you lose
10BI. but to play at a stake with 1.5BI is flipping a coin. we all admit
that we are gamboooling, but there is a difference between gamble and
coinflip.
2. going thru downswing and tilt is actually good for us. i realy mean it.
everyoneone has come the same way. afterall, it's the fluctuation that
keeps the fish playing. if we were to play chess |
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t******b
发帖数: 56 | 11 Got bad beats several times in a row. Tighten up and more bad beats follow,
poker gods put the doomswitch on me. what to do? forget poker and engage
other stuffs? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 12 take a rest for a couple of days, then play more poker. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 呵呵，没办法，歇几天吧，没有人可以厉害到完全不当回事，cardplayer上说了，几乎
没有哪个pro没有输光过至少一次的经历，它们至少比咱bankroll还厚，心理素质强，
大场面见得多吧？
连现在如日中天的durrrr，2007年夏天把3M输到1M，也想过是不是收关，把这剩下的钱
存到银行，然后去干个什么正常职业。
badbeat其实不可怕，怕的是没了自信，输光了也不可怕，咱们也没有倾家荡产的赌。
牌运太差，站起来就走的本事绝对要有，没有poker god，没有报仇。
bankroll management也确实有道理，在一张桌子上，不要玩超过5%的，当手气好，毛
驴多的时候看，也许很保守，不过回头背运时想想，多少人的血泪经验。 |
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t******b
发帖数: 56 | 14 I lost it all. This is the end of my poker career. |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 15 You may deposit some and start over. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 兄弟，如果你热爱扑克，这完全没有必要。
再说一个大名鼎鼎的人吧，scotty nguyen，70年代初从越南逃出来，一文不名，靠打
扑克，80年代初已经是百万富翁(相当于现在千万吧)，挥金如土，几百块的顶级牛排吃
两口就扔。在LV凯撒住都是总统套房，玩女人无数...却连一分钱都没有给过他还在越
南受苦，没饭吃的家人。
结果也许是真有上帝吧，还不是扑克上帝，呵呵，让他一个bad run统统输光。输到他
无家可归，厚着脸皮去找他一个从来都没正眼看过的兄弟，人家只是个普通养家糊口的
人，他管人借钱(能有多少钱？)...但是严厉的骂了他一顿以后，还是给了点。
scotty nguyen不管今天有多少钱，都是从这点微薄的债上翻的身，可以说他从那以后
的为人也翻了身。
输了不要紧，你只要能相信自己有比一般人高的基础，痛定思痛，找出提高的空间(任
何人都有，不过往往让bad beats悲观情绪掩盖了)，纯扑克技术上是这样，管理财务，
情绪控制也都是这样。
俺自己以前恶赌几通宵，清晨无人回家的路上，凉风习习，无比寂寞后悔，在路边加油
站实在困得不行，怕再开车非送了命不可，不得以打个盹...那种滋味，俺 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 呵呵，完全理解。
扑克可以是生活中很好的补充，问题只是控制。目标是什么？
输多了可以玩小的，5分1毛有点娱乐，也比打游戏强不是？技术有欠缺，看看training
videos或者旁观高手之间的较量也是免费娱乐。
收手其实也正常，那天俺好像给谁说过，没准再玩一两年俺就歇了，本来也没指望着这
个发财(心理素质不够)，生活中其他的乐趣多了。目前俺也就是把它当个小part time
job，挣点小钱，图个乐，所以整天在micro stakes不亦乐乎，竞争水平低嘛，所以稍
微搞搞，一天平均下来几十块，一个月一千，也不累不操心。
starting
to
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 18 Poker is an ugly game.
Online is a wrong place to play poker. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 19 lol
Do not say so. It is easier to catch up comparing with other games, such as
golfing, chessing. For example: No one can compete seriously by chessing in
one year.
Online is a wrong place to play poker.-----No online poker, majority players
do not have chance to play it. And no way for multi-tabling, and catch up
quickly.
From my experience, if you take poker seriously, one year(to 2 years) is
good enough for you changing from losing player to winning player.
Online poker is the only place for |
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p********a
发帖数: 6437 | 20 totally, online misses a lot of fun, i like tables way more. |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 21 老大之所以是老大, 牌技高, 为人也是纲纲的. 希望有朝一日能有老大心态一半好. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 又拿俺开涮了，哈哈，这里玩的，最没有出息的就是这个唠大。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 lol
your biggest pros is your biggest cons also.
With your way, you will not lose money.
With your way, you will not improve in a short period of time.
Because I take a lot of physical education classes recently. I know the
feeling. If you always lift low weights, you will not improve at all, but
the benefit is that you will never hurt yourself.
Because I am old now, I choose a much safe way to lift weight.
If I were 5 years younger, I will push to my limits, it is suppose to be
very very aggres |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 24 hehe, after 3 years of play, i finally figured it out, i don't have it (win
big) in me.
as i read so many pros' stories, 3 years is like a cutoff line, you either
become one big winner or you never will. i guess for me, i'll be where i am
now for looooong time, eat like a bird, suck (hopefully) not like an
elephant, lol.
yeah, for my current play, it's really hard for me to go broke with my tiny
roll, and i can pretty much win little here and there consistently. i get
badbeats but with short buy |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 yeah, i know exactly what you said, hehe.
for live games (mostly before i started to play online), i still run under
overall. for online, i only started to be on the small positive side since
mid of last year.
i know how i play when 心态坏了, just like your feelings. actually in live,
i got lucky a few times when i was more like gambling (when down big), and
came back... however, in the long run, luck can't sustain.
人
, |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 this is somebody talked about too, without big fish, durrrr wouldn't be
where he is now in the first place. the edge he got against those high stake
regulars is small, or, put in this way, take long to win $3M but easily to
lose such due to downswings. and he's become a target of many pros too.
edge
game
make
.
NL1000 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 no cry no cry.
unless you're a grinder and play a lot cash games, it's hard to clear those
bonuses anyway.
but if you are, it's good for small bankrolls as long as you keep your play
in control (i.e., no tilt or big downswings), $600 or so bonus is nice.
for myself, it's more for fun after playing at FTP for long, lol. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 Cada在wsop前有一个150k的downstream----if he plays NL5000 HU game, 150k
downswing is not that much, only 30buyin.
WSOP还是别人back的------it is not bad, just like a freeroll.
annette, and zangbezan24 get betfair's sponsorship, it is the same thing,
freeroll(I guess they will play wsop, wpt, ept...). Moormani get doyleroom's
sponsorship. They just need showup to advertise the pokerroom.
I guess all pros on FTP get similar sponsorship.
能拿一半还是不少 再加上endorsement什么的 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 29 心态不好的时候, 就应该少打. 不管是 live or online.
不可否认, poker 中运气在很大程度上决定你在某一段时间的输赢. 运气在你这一边的
时候, 你怎么打怎么有, 运气不好的时候, 你总是会看到对手搏到 4 outers, 3
outers 甚至于 one outers.
我前一段时间打 live, 运气就特别不好. 我 post 了不少 hand history. 绝大多数都
是给人 miracle card draw out. 我那一段时间 downswing 可能有 2K+ 左右. 我的经
验总结出几点:
1. Bad beat 很多, 一晚上有两三次, 很明显的信号是今天运气不好, 看看能不能换桌
, 换 casino.
2. 打牌打的更 tight. 更愿意 laydown marginal hands. 运气不好, 给 bad beat 几
次后, 最重要的任务其实不是把钱扳回来, 而是止血. 在 1/2 NL table 上, 一般的
bad beat 最多不过 cost you one buy-in, 也就是 $100 - $200 左右, 可实际 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 85% ROI is very nice. The sample size is too small to use the ROI as your overall performance in a long run. A few downswings can easily knock you down to 20-30% ROI. Overall, 9 person sng have much smaller swings than cash and mtts.
It is very profitable even with 20-30% roi, which is not hard to achieve at all. |
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j********4
发帖数: 72 | 31
overall performance in a long run. A few downswings can easily knock you
down to 20-30% ROI. Overall, 9 person sng have much smaller swings than
cash and mtts.
at all.
Yes, you are right. My target is to have 30% ROI but play high level buy in
SnG say 30 or 40.
I guess I will move to $20 buy in the next a few days.
I started to play SnG two weeks ago with only $6 dollor in the account. Got
1st prize $22.5. Then start to play $10 buy in. Now it goes to $465...LOL |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 You obviously had a very good run. That is great! But i am more curious how
you deal with downswings. Like KK can't hold up preflop all in twice in a
row against under-pair, and river beaten by two outs multiple times all in
one nights! These all have happened to me after 1k games. There is a time when I always have a bad feeling when i picket up pocket Ks. LOL! I would never put
in more than 1% of my bank roll in a game. But if you are willing to
deposit more. It is always great to go up th |
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j********4
发帖数: 72 | 33
how
a
when I always have a bad feeling when i picket up pocket Ks. LOL! I would
never put
Nothing I can do to the downswing, however, I tired not to get many chips in
the pot in the early stage, I would easy fold some big pocket pair. In the
late stage, play very aggressive with it. People tends to play more small
pair in the early stage when your 5BB raise is still only 100 chips. In the
late stage, they more likely would fold when you raise big. I would feel
better if I was bad beat in the la |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34
Nothing I can do to the downswing, however, I tired not to get many chips in
the pot in the early stage, I would easy fold some big pocket pair. In the
late stage, play very aggressive with it. People tends to play more small
pair in the early stage when your 5BB raise is still only 100 chips. In the
late stage, they more likely would fold when you raise big. I would feel
better if I was bad beat in the late stage rather than in the early stage.
The other thing is always to chase 1st or 2nd pla |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 35 Another milestone on FTP, officially made 2k on ftp. This 1 K came a lot
faster than the last one. 2 and half month instead of 8. I will set my next
milestone at 5k and hope to reach it by the end of the year. Nothing
significant about the amount won overall. But i would like to mention my
consistency. Never had a down swing more than 50$ except one 100$ downswing.
I can proudly claim I am a winner on microstake poker. 该升级了.
with
with my
). Now I |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 37 rushgame NL25.
开三桌。ftp涨起来真快。但是感觉每桌没法仔细分析，同时有几把运气太差，
刷刷输了50.不过这个月ironman应该没问题。
rushgame KK的玩法？ 我KK LP raise 3bb，button reraise to 9bb。
我直接all in了，结果那厮是AQ o，flop出A了。
这种情况是call 一下更好吗？不过我是mini-buyin，call是不是太示弱了。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 Short stack 还是prepflop reraise ALLin 吧。 if more than 100bb, might think for a
while, because their calling range is much tighter. On a side note, my KKs
in rush game have been losing more than winning on perflop all in. KK run
into AA 4 5 times and bad beat by small pocket pair 4 5 times... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 Rush game swing 还是挺大的。 You can run 60 bb up to 300 bb in half hour or
lose 2 3 buy-ins in the same time. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 rush game makes you lose a big weapon, playing people, since it's hard to
observe a single or few opponents and programs like HM can't catch up.
even i notice a few fish are limping with A3s from EP and playing big... i
don't have time to write some good notes and take full advantage of him. AND
, it's hard to catch him again down the road, i mean, not like sitting at
the same table for 50 hands more.
or |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 41 rush game更像gambling, less skill evolved
AND |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 42 I disagree rush game is more gamble less poker. It takes more reads in rush
since everyone is unknown. More skill in other words. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 43 unknow 何来 reads...
rush |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 44 reading by betting size and action on each street. IMO, this is in fact what
reading is all about. You can read by person, but sometimes it is actually
misleading. |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 46 fryking,ironman的year end bonus是只有年底有。
还是年中也给？
如果是只有年底有，实际上只算了6个月？
by |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 both, mid (counting first 6 months) and year-end (second 6 months).
iron, $100/month
gold, $75/month
silver, $50/month
bronze, $25/month
say if you are gold for 2 months, bronze for 1 for the first 6 months of
2010, you'll get $175 in july (by playing and clearing)
one important catch: you MUST achieve ironman (any level) in JUNE or DEC (
for year-end).
for example, for mid-year, if you qualify in jan., feb., and may, BUT you
don't do it for june, you'll get NOTHING. but it's ok if you qualify f |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 48 I think I will call, especially if I have a deeper stack. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 49 I usually raise 3X. will try some variable raise sizes.
by |
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H*******n
发帖数: 914 | 50 3x or 4.5x?
感觉4.5x把人全赶走了，不管是ep or lp，
现在很多人ep和mp， AA，AK，KK都是limp in。
LP可能会raise一些，但是也是不会超过4x，因为那样全跑了，如果limp in的人太多另
说。
我现在的打法是什么牌（AA，AK，KK，AQ，QQ，JJ）都趋向limp in了，hit到就成，
hit不到就跑，
premium hands有人raise最好，那样可以smooth call or reshove，没有我就看看flop
再决定。
因为我的策略就是mini buyin and double up，
collect blinds其实效率很低，因为rushgame里面大家对raise都很敏感，
很多人不在乎丢blinds，你和他和平看牌反而可能让其放松警惕。 |
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