f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 1 看了他前一阵的声明，俺觉得他有点看破扑克红尘的意思，其实挺佩服他的，至少还有
自我。
俺觉得有几大原因：
1)该死的丹麦政府，收了他很多税，一多半没了；
2)他之后的比赛战绩非常差，在high stake cash games里面，也让durrrr和一帮老混
蛋push得很厉害，据他自己在有一期card player上说，输得一塌糊涂。或者说，他其
实也是某种意义上的伪pro，完全没有准备好那种。真久经沙场的pros还那么多死得很
难看，何况他？
3)最年轻WSOP ME冠军才一年就让人刷新了，这个世界，花落花开。看他自己说，自己
从来也没想要这样的生活，俺觉得他说的是实话。毕竟才20几，可以做的事情多了。象
durrrr这样现在看还牛B轰轰的，到2015年会怎样，天知道，天才型牛B型的牌手到死的
时候一文不名，如孔乙己似的也不是一个两个了，说到底，还是在赌博。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 well, if he plays KQs this way, he's not really hoping some Kxx or Qxx flop
in most cases. just like for an OK player, hands like KQo is a throw-away in
this spot, simply because a TPGK hand out of position is not a big hand at
all, let alone for a big pot.
what he really wants to see is flop like this, or not as good (say, without
Q but 2 spades), and to really maximize the power of his strong flush draw.
this hand is almost identical to one of the biggest hand in history on TV,
where durrrr ho... 阅读全帖 |
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t*****s
发帖数: 1240 | 3 2+2上有消息说大部分是durrrr的资金，小部分是他朋友们的。
在kevmath那个置顶的帖子里。据说durrrr还在亚洲，下个礼拜要继续搞。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 史上最伟大的扑克玩家TOM DWAN和IVEY在到达澳门后，立刻和中国本地的富豪开始在澳
门最大的现金桌进行游戏，开始的盲住是5000/10000，之后很快升级到10000/20000。
中国的富豪们在为IVEY贡献了几百万，为DURRRRR贡献了2000万之后，情绪基本稳定，
而两位传奇人物也带着盈利满意的离开。
因为富豪们坚持只和名流玩（即只给名流们送钱）的原则，所以澳门本地的REG这次没
怎么分到油水。
IVEY和DWAN以APT的名义来到澳门，其实真正意图就是这个极品大现金桌。 IVEY在APT
上迅速输掉比赛，而DWAN虽然进入了第二天的比赛，但他离席去玩现金，嘱托朋友还有
20个BB的时候喊他，他来推了就了事。
桌上其他几个高手的盈利不详，但无疑，DURRRR轻松赚取的2000万使他成为最大的赢家
。同时，2+2上人声鼎沸，很多REG表示，很希望可以去澳赢这帮肥鱼的钱。 而DURRRR
在此行之后也爱上了澳门，毕竟，满地捡钱的好差事没人会拒绝 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 yes, he did over durrrr's shoulder for a year, how great was that? and i
guess those years were durrrr's hottest ones too.
's |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 6 I think there is no way to know which one is better since no objective
criteria available.
If you put phil g and durrrr in a fish pond fr, i bet durrrr would win more.
But if it is heads-up, phil g is my bet.
durrrrrrr's strategy is simply creating action to win more money, he cares
less about balance etc. Phil g focuses more on a flawless strategy and loves
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHk-mF1tBgM&feature=related
Here is the thought process of Durrrr on this hand. He actually raised
on the flop to get KT and AT behind to fold. I though he only did that for
information. Turning top pair into bluff against two players need lots of
good read and courage. Durrrr made it, Really amazing one!
DWAN |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 最好选手一年下来3BB/100(不含rakeback/bonus)这可不是说的，而是网站自己统计的(
rush出现以前)，可信度较高。
不是说能与不能，durrrr当然能，durrrr的徒孙也能轻松。而是说难不难，或者有多少
人能做到，这个，俺个人觉得很多人都高估了自己。
鱼是能输几个buy-ins(算上鱼走狗屎运的时候，少那么1，2个buy-ins)，可别忘了，
edge是建立在有牌的基础上的，更何况，还有很多人要分鱼吃。
100 hand at NL100. 我最后30万手还偏整出一个4.1bb/100 hand. 这live 大大小小
那么多场子, 容易点的整出个40$/hour over large sample, 也不是不可能. 咱也没
说这那里都可以搞出这win rate 啊,或随便一个人都可以打到. 这不是听cmis 的介绍
而已吗? 他说他能搞出来,我就不会一口告诉他不可能. have an open mind everyone
? 再说, 这live game, 没有最鱼, 只有更鱼, really anything is possible. 你不能
不代... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 10 这不，坐下来才 10 分钟，就有玩家过来要 durrrr 我。尼玛，哥虽然才坐下来 10 分
钟，还是看出些你老哥的端倪的。没办法，只好 durrrr 回去。
Game started at: 2013/9/28 22:14:57
Game ID: 203305695 0.25/0.50 Manganite (JP) - 2 (Hold'em)
Seat 8 is the button
Seat 2: vorotilo (62.45).
Seat 3: Hero (53.75).
Seat 4: ThanksGotLucky (51.38).
Seat 5: blackaugust (102.06).
Seat 7: timstraz (44.21).
Seat 8: cahoots (46.91).
Seat 9: jsb436 (29.88).
Player vorotilo received a card.
Player vorotilo received a card.
Player Hero received card: [Ah]
Player Hero received c... 阅读全帖 |
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 11 This is your own words:
"When it was released to Malaysia, it has ALREADY come out to public domain."
Second, did you just start this thread talking about what responsibilities
Malaysia shoulder? Durrrr?
good |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 今天早上有人告诉俺这个大坑，专门到这个不常来的版面看看。
作为德州扑克版版主，qing78俺们都比较熟悉，发过一些很好的贴子，最近自己也说打
得不好，所以没脸见人。赢的时候也看得出来很高兴，说自己是学生，这几千还是很激
动的，也提到过你，说你很担心。
婚姻，学业角度别人已经说了很多，俺只是从打牌的角度说，你LG的确是象个赌徒而非
牌手。这个涉及金钱的游戏，说别人都没有一点赌性是不可能的，但是这个是自己控制
的问题，别说你LG，就是顶尖高手Johnny Moss，死的时候也是一文不名。
你LG经常是在50NL里面比如说赢了100块，然后觉得不过瘾，去打400NL，那里可是鲨鱼
迷布，一晚上输上万都有可能，而他又不具备这样的技术水平，急于求成，指望一夜暴
富是不可能的。你可能也知道durrrr，已经是天才级选手，从$50起家，３年内打到300
万，输回到100万，又上升到900万，现在又回去了。他已经是全世界公认的天才，尚且
如此，更别提一般人。
你LG可能是对现实学业的倦怠，所以有不切实际的希望在扑克上，这个太本末倒置了。
好好和他谈谈，告诉他俺的话，不要再害自己了，他和俺们版面大家一样 |
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n*******y
发帖数: 3337 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 TexasHoldem 讨论区 】
发信人: fcf (fcf), 信区: TexasHoldem
标 题: 扑克玩家的成长
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 7 10:58:11 2010, 美东)
转发一个我几个月以前写的东西
扑克玩家的成长
这是我对扑克玩家的成长一点心得，不一定都是对的，总是有特例的，但我想对大
多数人来说是差不多的。
级别1：
刚刚学会打牌的规则，没有任何技巧的概念，打牌基本是乱玩。
级别2：
看了一点资料，可能看了一本书，知道了pot odds, position, 知道了打牌要tight
aggressive, 不过其实并不懂为什么， 也不知道怎么样打才叫tight aggressive, 打
牌的技巧基本只知道preflop, flop, 如果问问题的话，一般只记得自己有什么牌，
flop上有什么牌，对每个人的动作只记得是bet/check/raise, 不在意下注的大小，
大家的位置，stack 大小，等等。这时候记得的牌多半是AA/KK 这种牌。
级别3：
玩了上万手牌了，输了一些，这是一个分界线，有些人输了就... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 yeah, they're pretty different.
tourney (no re-buy) may involve more strategies at different blinds levels,
if your or your opponent's tourney life is on the line, lots of interesting
things could happen, hehe, for example, the bubble effect.
that's why many top cash players, like kenny tran (regular game is $1000/
2000NL), only got his first WSOP bracelet recently. tom "durrrr" dwan, who's
a top online cash game pro and wins/loses pots of quarter millions, got
busted on day 1 in the main event |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 15 hey bro, I am sticking to my gun. Anyone else wants to join the party? |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 16 Tom Dwan challenge looks to get underway soon
February 13th, 2009
The challenge issued by Tom Dwan to everyone (except for Phil Galfond) looks
to be almost underway, as FTP has set up a series of special heads up
tables titled ‘durrrr Challenge’ 1-4. One seat is reserved for Dwan, and
it’s expected play will begin shortly at the 200/400 PLO tables.
For those of you unfamiliar, here’s the text of the challenge issued by
Dwan a few weeks ago:
“I’m making this heads-up challenge to the world. A |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 呵呵，70，30这个比例不错，不过应该是反过来，打牌只要是你不控制发牌的，运气就
永远存在。在高手之间的对决中(假设技术接近)，这个运气比例可能还要大点。
用WSOP的最后结果来说明毛驴运气的重要有点以偏概全了，在那么6000多人的比赛里能
活到最后，无可置疑，运气的确比什么都重要。其实平时的一个上千人的比赛就可以知
道，关键时候没有几把落后反败为胜，或者连续赢coin flips什么的，很难赢下一个比
赛来，而且很难赢到大钱，因为比赛的奖金分配极其不平衡，前几名拿掉大多数钱，即
使十几名也相对没有什么钱。
那为什么还说运气长期来讲会平衡掉呢？呵呵，其实你看看这些pros(Gold和Yang根本
排不上号)，基本上都不是靠打个把大比赛“中彩”过日子的，这个只是他们的锦上添
花，他们平时的饭碗都是至少$100/200NL，甚至10K/20K NL的cash game过日子的，比
如Kenny Tran，对一般只关心tournament的牌手陌生吧？没错，他至今只拿过一条小金
手链，还是去年才拿的，可他在cash game里面的名声很大。又比如tom "durrrr" dwan
，截至目前 |
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l***q
发帖数: 62 | 18 象durrrr这样的应该不会不明白，扑克盈利主要来自于对手犯错误吧。对手越强，发错
误越少。ivey和antonius都成了精了，哪里有那么轻易让他赚钱的道理？胜负多半只是
看运气，edge小到可以忽略不计。
如果他每天就是跟这些人打牌，他还赚个屁钱啊？我认为这些所谓的名人战都是他们为
了吸引眼球，提高自己知名度的，以便赚更多的广告费，签约费等等。 |
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t******b
发帖数: 56 | 21 last word from martonas after he lost a big pot to raptor yesterday is "i
will go look for a bridge." not sure what it means.
I never told anybody this....about 8-9 months ago i'm at the Taj and its
late and in walks Durrrr and and everyones got an eye on him. He sits at 300
-600 and the whole place stops. Its Tom Dwan and after a little while there
was no one playing because all the high rollers are there watching him. And
some of them were sitting playing giving away their moneys just to say I |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 never used one, but am wondering whether it can load hands and become
adaptive... like collecting 100K hands of durrrr's, lol. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 呵呵，没办法，歇几天吧，没有人可以厉害到完全不当回事，cardplayer上说了，几乎
没有哪个pro没有输光过至少一次的经历，它们至少比咱bankroll还厚，心理素质强，
大场面见得多吧？
连现在如日中天的durrrr，2007年夏天把3M输到1M，也想过是不是收关，把这剩下的钱
存到银行，然后去干个什么正常职业。
badbeat其实不可怕，怕的是没了自信，输光了也不可怕，咱们也没有倾家荡产的赌。
牌运太差，站起来就走的本事绝对要有，没有poker god，没有报仇。
bankroll management也确实有道理，在一张桌子上，不要玩超过5%的，当手气好，毛
驴多的时候看，也许很保守，不过回头背运时想想，多少人的血泪经验。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 24 they played last night until this morning. i watched them playing while
listening to the wsop final broadcast. this morning when i woke up at 7:30am
PST, they were still playing!! but durrrr said he would be busy for the
next 3 days so maybe no more play for a while, hehe.
playing
never |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 well, nobody is denying durrrr got a huge talent, but this doesn't mean he
would not make mistakes at all (and mistakes nobody can understand? hehe).
if he lost 3.4M in a few days, he'll just be like any other player, to go
broke.
as for donkness, who knows who Isildur1 really is? and why he's donk?
guess rule #1, nobody can be poker god and beat bankroll management. ppl
come and go from tables, only those old guns like doyle managed to survive
for long term.
you
no
short |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 this is somebody talked about too, without big fish, durrrr wouldn't be
where he is now in the first place. the edge he got against those high stake
regulars is small, or, put in this way, take long to win $3M but easily to
lose such due to downswings. and he's become a target of many pros too.
edge
game
make
.
NL1000 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 27 I just hope durrrr's bankroll is big enough to survive such variance.
a |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 hehe, he set up durrrr challenge for a reason...that is, to prove he's the
best cash player in the world.
well, partially true, but the correction should be "one of the best players".
and he doesn't have a big enough roll like billionaire andy beal who can
afford to fight/win/lose to the "corporation", and still walks away fine.
ego helps a player to become the best but also kills a player when he's tilt.
You'
A
just
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 29 The way he plays is not correct at least from bankroll management view.
Winning 600k in 3+ months usually, and lose 2.3million in 3 days. It is not
sth a pro should do.
At least it means durrr does not have edge(or big dog) on that buddy. If
durrr does have an significant edge on that buddy, durrr can play much
smaller pot against his opponent.
Because if Durrr can 100 percent sure to win that buddy, no matter how small
the pot it is, durrrr will win all his opponent's money. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 http://betting.betfair.com/poker/bloggers/just-who-is-isildur1-111109.html
Just who is Isildur1?.Bloggers / Dave Allan / 11 November 2009 / Leave a
comment
Every couple of months a new "face" appears at the high stakes tables to rub
shoulders with the big names of online poker.
After 7,375 hands of NLHE he had taken durrrr for $810,000 and then won a
further $409,000 in just 122 hands of Pot-limit Omaha for a total bank of $1
,292,364.
The usual story is that they go on some sort of heater and |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 31 durrrr已经不能buyin 300BB是什么意思？是总的bankroll不足那么多，还是不敢放那
么多了？钱不够还是没必要继续了吧。ego啊。
rub
$1
go |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 32 I did remeber Durrr crush maronas one time. One night, Durrr won around 2M
from martonas through NL HU games(4 tabling).
don |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 shoved like a donk PREFLOP this morning, hands in a row... this is the last
hand.
and he could afford to play 1 single table now.
LOL. |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 34 看不懂奥马哈，lz的意思是他在FTP没钱了，还是证实他破产了？ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 35 he's on big non sense tilt like a gambler.
this morning alone he at least lost another $500K in 1 hour on 1 talbe.
omaha hi is not that much different from hold'em in card ranking. |
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j********4
发帖数: 72 | 36 Poor guy...Not sure if he will come back...He just became Fulltilt Team Pro
and ran into "Fulltilt"..Nice... |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 37 I guess so.
Suppose his usually winning rate is 200k/month. Playing such crazy style, he
can easily lose 500k/night.
last |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 it looks like everyone is taking on him, and i don't think his ego will let
him play anything lower. he's already got "smarter" by not multi tabling at
such high stake (or he couldn't afford already).
Pro |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 so called skill, durrrr shoved on turn...
gamblers are all the same when on tilt. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 40 我靠。。durrrr大概最不爽了。。or can he get it back from antonius@@? |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 41 呵呵,isildur1其实是full tile的员工,知道为啥durrrr加入fulltilt的同时发生这个
么,这个其实是fulltilt串通了durrr,patrick他们一起搞的一个show,回头钱还是会流
回durr的,当然可能我们看不到. 这么一炒作,ftp的名声又上一个台阶 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 haha, the best rumor i heard is isildur1 is actually durrrr himself! he's
trying to lose all his money to another "foreign" guy to avoid tax, haha. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 43 if durrrr wants have no tax, he should follow gus, PA, both are monaco
residents, no tax there. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 44 Isildur1 has taken on all comers over the last week, and yesterday Phil Ivey
found the time right to throw his hat into the ring. They played two tables
for the better part of three hours where Ivey ended up taking $900K of
Isildur1’s hard earned money. The main story of the day, though, was
Isildur1’s matches against Cole South and durrrr. In the former, he was
down one million dollars before turning it around to win $550K, and in the
latter he turned a 1.5 million loss into a $160K win.
minut |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 三英战吕布. hahaha, exactly what i have in mind, shake hands.
before, durrrr looked like 吕布, lol.
at |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 46 刚才看了一下， 你排名已经是mitbbs第一高手了啊， 相当于Durrrr在online poker的
地位。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 i only won a little, hehe.
i'm thinking about paying some tax this year.
IRS is tough, they even tax you for illegal drug sales etc., many big drug
dealers didn't end up in jail because of the crime, but because of tax
frauds (well, if judge found this was easier to put them behind the bars).
so far, i don't think IRS tracks small fish like us yet, but those big
sharks like durrrr. and it's kind of tough now for IRS since all these poker
sites are offshore (they don't share data with IRS or issu |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 48 这个人玩NL还是很强的，不过durrrr闪人后他就主力和Ivey, PA疯赌PLO简直是自杀。
PA玩PLO HU太强了。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 49 Isildur1 is not broke yet? he lost way too much to Patrick and Phil, yet he
enjoys playing with them. I guess durrrr is in the same situation!! |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 50 both get pissed off.
Durrr even can not buyin full.
only buyin 50BB on deep table.
Durrrr has 680k winning before playing against isil, in the end, durrr loses all his winning. |
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