p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 1 http://twitter.com/#!/tom_dwan
do not know what "really good news" Durrrr mean.
do not know if he and philg will honor the 1m$ promise if ftp does not
pay. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 as much as i don't like him (and durrrr), but i still hoped he could make a
new record, sigh. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 3 1. Phil. Galfond.
2,3 Phil Ivey, patrick anotonius
4,5 Source, Durrrr. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 you are right.
300-400k/y will put you on top 3 of SNG leader board, across all
online site.
If you play 6man or 9man, you are guarantee to play high stakes, and play
against those top pros day in and day out, and you still get a solid ROI,
probably one of the highest ROI among those top pros. And all other top pros
will not be happy to stay at your table.
if you can make that much on HUSNG, you are top 3 without any question,
because you are guaranteed to play against all top world level player... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 5 Agree. When you are OOP, pot control with marginal hand is extremely
important. I think stacksize and table image(both you and opp) matter a
lot.
If your stack is pretty short and think you are ahead with tptk, check/raise
and willing to call shove is fine. Otherwise, do not think that is a
profitable play majority of time. You are right, check/raising to find out
where you are with tptk is way too expensive. I do not think Durrrr and Phil G do that often either unless it is head... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 6 A lot of durrrr's play are quite questionable. No wonder he lost that much
to jungleman. Mabye back then he focus on PLO and his NL game went down
somewhat. |
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 7 Actually, I think there are a few players who would benefit from this if he
truly gives his honest and complete answer in the coaching session. mainly
the guys who will be playing against him regularly.
Phil Garfond said he doesn't do individual coaching because the only players
who can afford his rate of coaching would be the ones that will be playing
against him regularly. And those are the players that he doesn't want to
coach. |
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p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 8
he
mainly
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for the regs against him, that session probably cost $6500k/h. :)
players
playing |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 9 Not all team pro are owners. Team Pro only has promotional meaning. Guys
like Durrrr , Mike Matusow , Phil Gordan do not own a single piece.
Pretty sure that Phil Ivey is a owner and got a lot of our money, guess
he dumped them all on crap table. Saw him get a marker for a million playing
craps.
"Another owner, described by the feds as a professional poker player,
received at least $40 million in distributions, as well as millions of
dollars more characterized as loans from Full Ti... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 I gave up the hope getting money back long time ago when they shut down FTP
operation. I just want these pros spill out their money or get punished. I
personally do not think people like Durr should be paid a million to play on
FTP rake free at the first place. I will be glad when justice is served and
they return all the money even if the money does not go back to the players.
Not all team pro are owners. Team Pro only has promotional meaning. Guys
like Durrrr , M........
★ Sent from iPhone A... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 11 唐国强演的也没有非常好， 但的确比陆毅好多了。 不过，演诸葛亮的确很难把
握。
lzi现在可以迷durrrr 了。。。俺听说他不是ｇａｙ. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 12 觉得唐国强有些奶油气，跟诸葛亮的智者气质多少有些差距。不过，我也找不出
能比他演好这个角色的演员了。 也许黄小明？ 稍嫩了一点。
最近我一直在想，假如诸葛亮玩扑克， 凭借他的策略和智慧，肯定是世界顶尖
高手。
那个durrr的bluff 并不是最经典的， 这个是。
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfP2GU74dFc
连Gabe kapland 都讲， 以前只有stu Ungar 有这两下。 He raised on the flop
for information, when PeterEastgate cold called the raise and Barry called
as well, he knew he had worst hand. He had to turn a made hand into bluff
and bet big to win.
But he knew Peter Eastgate had trip no kicker ,but did n... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 没错，俺自认已经是对扑克很上瘾，但是充其量只算平均值的玩家。
就俺这点量这点low stake，俺一年也能为FTP贡献过万的rake，天，就算昨天说的，实
地赌场$12/hr的rake不高，它们要赚一万rake，也得俺这样的一年玩1000小时以上，不
可能的事情。
更别提绝大多数小玩家，如果没有网络扑克，对赌场的“贡献”一年可能近乎为零。
扑克和其他赌场游戏最主要的不同，就是其他的BJ，craps等等，都是和赌场赌，赌场
靠概率优势和玩家错误大发特发。
但是扑克，赌场的利润很单一，就是手续费rake，这个必须靠巨大的量来体现利润，你
就是只有钱玩1/2c的，时间长了，照样比一年只光顾次把赌场的观光客利润高得多，而
且网络扑克成本低太多了，多架2 servers，几个码工看着，比运转几十个dealers,
floor managers, cashiers，场地，设施，...便宜不是一点半点。
没有网络扑克，还能有ivey，毕竟人是真刀真枪，under age就拿假驾照从AC赌场一点
点杀出来的，但是有没有durrrr这样的，俺看很悬，$100根本没地方玩，玩也早淹死了
，再借几个$100... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 no guy, no durrrr, simple as it is, haha. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Sun Nov 6 20:48:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
and o'dea down to a few BBs, sigh.
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superbobo (123) 于 (Sun Nov 6 20:49:09 2011, 美东) 提到:
等于Collins BB掉O'Dea，哈哈
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fryking (赤道企鹅) 于 (Sun Nov 6 20:50:24 2011, 美东) 提到:
still sick and sick.
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player (Hope is the best thing) 于 (Sun Nov 6 20:52:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
OD made a mista... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 16 both players are not experieced heads up player. Only watch a few hands but
I do not like how they played heads up. No where close to durrrr/phil
galfold caliber. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 从娱乐角度讲，搞个类似durrrr challenge一样的大战倒不是一个坏主意。
而且，应该是PLO！最好大家都不熟不行的招数。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 18 we are not expecting a game like Ivey vs Durrrr. It is just a game that we
will enjoy watching since we are familiar with each other.
thinking |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 19 Well played. Turning a made hand into a bluff against 3 players is
fantastic.Similiar to Durrrr's play,haha.
What is reasoning of calling A5o preflop? just coz you have button? I
barely play these Ace rag hand even when playing heads up when OOP. What
were you trying to rep there when raising on the turn? AQ? or slowing play a set
on the flop?
Not |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 20 1，1/2 venetian
前位一个limper，我AKo，感觉玩一次raise的pot没意思，所以也limp
到sb raise到11，弃到我，我干到32，sb call，HU
flop Jxx，他donk 30，我看到他还剩100不到，想了想感觉他如果有强牌没有这么donk
的理由，感觉就是AQ或者TT之类，就shove了，他果然很快弃。
2，1/2 venetian
刚搬到版大桌上没几把，我straddle，3号位弄到16，只剩我，看到88，call。下意识
是3bet但是觉得被call了oop比较难受，而且因为straddle，credit少。所以就flat了。
flop A73r，我chk，他bet 20，我call。我觉得这里flat也就rep Ax了
turn 9，rainbow，chk，他bet 35。感觉比较怪，他有点polarized的意思，所以继续
call了。
river A，感觉是张好牌。chk，他又搞到35，想了想call，希望看到KJ，没想到对手亮
出也是88。我觉得88有足够的show down value啊，难道要thin到抓我的7x？
这手amus... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 21 my fav vid is Phil. Galfond's on Bluefire, especially his philosophy
series.
here are two samples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SNMXVGBx3I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBq7t-xQnas
For semi education/semi entertainment, high stake poker season 1-6 are
great, not 7 though since Gabe Kapland is not in. Million $ cash game,
Aussie millon cash game , Poker stars Big game, Poker After dark Cash game
are all decent. Some of the best cash players , like Durrrr, Ivey , PA are
in the s... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 22 http://www.pokernews.com/news/2011/11/big-game-in-macau-draws-i
Kao, Durrrr made 6.5 M USD last year, but lost back 2.6M this year though.
Everybody likes to catch these huge Chinese businessman/fish. Interesting
PA got banned for playing too tight.
I heard from friends that a Chinese guy made over 100M HKD last few
years playing these big cash game in Macau. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 23 先写两个，欢迎补充。
lzi- 俺又用23o rep一个flush , 让对方丢掉top set 了。outplay别人的感觉让
俺有女中durrrr 的感觉。 同版上太多人吵过架了，该歇歇了。
patrickcp- "I never bluff", but you will never see me do.
hector: I do not water here often, but I got sicker bad beat than all of
you. Top set all in beat by gutshot.
【 在 fryking (赤道企鹅) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 24 在理，但是这个和tilt一样，没有谁敢说没有的，只是程度不一样而已，容忍度高低而
已。
即使是顶级pro包括durrrr在内，也多次因为bad run产生离去的念头。咱这样的要说输
到一定程度，回家路上还崩高兴，觉得自己play well, run bad，俺觉得也是假话。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 25 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
player (Hope is the best thing) 于 (Sun Nov 13 17:40:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
继续提高版上人气，也许老大可以搞个有奖征文，
大家说说自己得意的bluff，要把bluff 的思路讲清楚。 然后大家投票，得票最多者
奖励30 个包子。
当然，也后也可以讲best laydown，best thin value bet 一类，但俺觉得还是best
bluff 最刺激。
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nanpa (nanpa) 于 (Sun Nov 13 18:11:42 2011, 美东) 提到:
算不上最好的bluff，但还是很刺激，上周末的home game， 1/2
EP, raise to $7，CO call, button call，
hero SM 35o
$7 在这个桌上是个比较小的raise,后面两个limp应该也只是中/小对或SC之类的牌... 阅读全帖 |
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g*******s
发帖数: 2828 | 26 随便写写，博大家一笑。
打牌时间蛮久，可惜水平不高。Moneymaker拿冠军那年，刚刚开始工作，一个人，下了
班就在espn上看球，无意看到WSOP，觉得非常有趣，开始整夜整夜的看。不过只是看，
没有打过，当时以为tournament的冠军都是绝世高手，像Raymer之流。
后来回去读书，参加了poker club。每个礼拜四包个酒吧玩，$20 buy-in, 二三十个美
国同学，那时候真是菜鸟，去了几次都是送钱。终于痛下决心，买书苦读。记得买的是
Harrington on poker，因为电视里看到那个老头连续两年WSOP main event final
table。说来好笑，几个同学有次看到我在图书馆埋头苦读，还在书上画重点。我从来
不去图书馆，所以他们很吃惊，问我看什么书，结果发现是poker书，当时笑倒一群人
。再后来我把一帮中国同学拉下水，基本每个礼拜打3/4次，十个人左右，$10的
tournament，赢钱的人请大家去吃夜宵，日子过得也很快活。听说后来师弟师妹们把这
个传统一届一届传下去，非常有成就感。
毕业到了Boston，慢慢认识了一帮人，开始他们打80，后来被... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 不矛盾，技术好，长期稳定赢钱，运气好，单次赢大钱，两者都占着，奔durrrr去了。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 28 Got sick after 1 week's live play and stayed at room whole day. Did not
play any poker last few days, live or online. Find some really good reading
on 2p2 HSNL board.
It is probably posted here before, but I think most of you do not mind my
posting here again since it is so helpful.
This is from Jman28(phil Galfond)
" If you are near someone who plays poker and is smart, spend as much time
around them as you can if you want to improve your game. "
I really like this statement!
I star... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 29 Another very good piece!
I like these two statements a lot:
I. " I think the three most important areas of intelligence in regards to poker are logic, probability, psychology. They actually are pretty close in order of importance, and change depending on game structure.".
II. "I absolutely believe that your personality affects the way you play poker"
I think logic is really his strength. I improve my poker logic a lot from watching his vid and play.
I just posted about the time t... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 30 今天帖子太多了，看不过来，也没兴趣 看了，还是讨论一下牌吧。
It is a tourney hand against genius28- an online superstar who used to
play the biggest game on ps/ftp, but like to challenge the best like PI/
durrrr/phild G etc and had bad BR management. he won a bracelet last year
though.
Anyway, in this hand genius28 raised in LP with KQ, David Qiu called
from SB.
Flop came 456, David Qiu checked, Genius28 made a half pot c bet and David
called. Turn was a K, both players checked, River is a Q, David chec... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 32 关于吵架问题(历史上不止一次，也不止几个人)，俺的观点是：
1)牌手水平如果真有高低差异，一些问题是比较难以认同，这个可能需要时间和具体体
验。一些观点也许你现在不会同意，但是多考虑一下(假设有很多人是这种玩法思路的)
，甚至反练九阴真经也不是坏事；
2)有各种各样的牌手，durrrr, phil g.可能和老枪dan harrington, johnny chan等人
在很多问题上(甚至可能是所谓基础问题)都不会认同，一把牌的玩法不说N种，起码也
有3，5种吧？
3)牌手彼此之间的了解其实是非常有限的，这往往是误解的来源，类似盲人摸象；几个
没有见过面，在一起打过至少几个sessions的虚拟IDs居然吵得不可开交，这真是奇闻。
4)带有人身攻击的帖子对本版是有百害而无一利的。牌手间可以不同意甚至彻底反对某
种意见，但是如果缺乏对对方的基本尊重，任何有意义的讨论都无法进行。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 33 I admire this kind of guy. He has near 2 million career tourney winning
and still pursue his Ph.d at MIT. He could make a lot more money if he
drop school and play poker fulltime.
I like his future a lot better compared with so many college drop out
poker pro, like durrrr and Phil. G.
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 34 You got the point. I am really afraid of he had TJ and check raised me on
the turn. It that case, I probably have to fold to a hand which I had good
equity.-----------------if he really has TJ, you do not have much equity.
Suppose 500$ pot, you only get 100$. Not only he will c/r on the turn with
the nuts, TJ in this case, but also he will c/r some nut draw, such as AdTd,
Ad9d, because he is out of position.
The flop raise is another question that confused me a lot. In deep stack,
when we have s... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 35 in 1-2 or 2-5 NL ,there are just so many limp pots. in 5-10NL, it is usually
a lot less limping. But even at nosebleeding stake game , like the game
played by Ivey, durrrr, there are still decent amount of limp pot. I won one
of biggest pot in 2-5 nl just in a limp pot.
agree with fryking, you are confident with postflop play and can get
better edge by seeing cheap flop, playing limp pot is not a problem. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 36 偶像，你做到了俺们做不到的成绩，光这个就是一种宝贵经历！人生就是一堆五颜六色
的经历总和，哈哈。
扑克保持这么高的长期赢率确实可能是个神话，俺老是记得你的偶像durrrr说他火箭升
级，但还是在07年夏天把300万的BR输得只剩100万，也心灰意懒，准备收工转行。他是
幸运的，最后能走出来，到目前不管怎么说，还是又上了更高的台阶。其他N个和他类
似的人，可能早灰飞烟灭了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 37 呵呵，有意思，前几天俺也在想几个类似的问题。以前是你说的吧，XXX is correct
in the long term, but your life may not be long enough.
俺试验了3个多月，俺做不到，甚至做不到$15/hr这个"低"标准，尽管这是一般认为的
good rate in long term。个人水平有限，仅供参考。
一个业余选手，一年打500小时，这已经几乎牺牲掉大部分黄金业余时间(周末等)，确
实也就是一万把左右，加上travel time，实际上可能要6，700小时以上。这么说，一
辈子，就算能坚持，也就是30年，30万把牌。
online，这个只需要大概几个月。
以前说过很多次，online有很多很大的好处，所以the future of poker is online
and only online.
不说别的，只有online才能提供micro stake cash games or tourneys，multi tables
, 24x7 full action（时区，地域影响相对小）。
rakeback, bonus说起来也很大，... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 38 我觉得在比较低得level 上，打sng BR 会增长得比较快，对BR 要求小。风险也小得
多。好多online pro, 向 durrrr , Phil Galfond, 都是打sng 把BR 打起来后，在打
cash game的。好像现在cash game 的环境也大不如前。
st husng 在husng.com 有几个免费的video, 在2p2 husng 版，有一个非常大的
thread. 关于st husng的。 有个德国的牛人，在ps 不到一年，只打st husng, 已经赢
了 700k. 以前在FTP时，我同他打过。 不过，st husng 如果rake 超过2%, 最好不要
打了。不太好beat. |
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H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 39 版大太渊博了，啥人都了解啊。这货打的还真不错，有一手解说说："Even Durrrr was
stunned..."
如果这人说的hourly rate是真的那他岂不是都billionaire了？ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 40 这家伙绝对是cash game的名将，经过长期考验的，屈指可数的名将，而且擅长多种MIX
游戏。
很少打tourney，他说在名fame和利money之间，他选择后者。他也是FTP pro之一，以
前经常可以看到在上面和hansen, urindanger, durrrr之类的混战顶级桌子，一个挺敦
厚的avatar。在LV，据说经常找不到自己想打的高级别，比较郁闷。
没记错的话，出身贫寒，而且高中没毕业。
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 41 hehe, got home last night and didn't get a chance to sit down and type...
was thinking about starting a looooong series about FTP and me, but then
felt like it could be as boring as 3425670 words long.
compared to others who suffered and are still suffering from the FTP
crackdown, i'm shameless because i quit online poker right before BF, and
actually owe FTP some money (they never took my small deposits for the last
6 months) but let me cash out all my $$.
i played on multiple sites before, wel... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 42 靠，谭老师搞死了barry?！ 太帅了！
也就是说他一晚上输了两万就废成这样了？他不是老上high stake poker和durrrr之流
一把几十万的吗？当然，俺个人一直觉得它们其实都是做戏。现实生活中它们估计比较
不堪，不过没想到这么不堪。
昨天看说greg merson也曾经很潦倒的，这才24岁，已经号称pro了五年，以前吸毒很厉
害，要靠赌博来养毒，真不知道没钱赌的时候是怎样的，在今年火山爆发之前，象他这
样的小pro，可能也是有一顿没一顿的。
现在道貌岸然了，以身作则劝大家不要吸毒。 |
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E*******r
发帖数: 520 | 43 TEN TIPS TO BEAT LIVE CASH GAMES
LIVE AID
BY ROSS JARVISNOVEMBER 2009
Training sites like CardRunners and PokerXFactor have a lot to answer for. A
few years ago, online poker rooms were swarming with fish readily handing
over their money on a daily basis. Unfortunately those days are over. While
you still might come across a dream table from time to time, it’s clear
that there’s been a gradual improvement online to the point that even at
lower limits such as $0.25/$0.50 you’ll find regular caree... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******e
发帖数: 64 | 44 durrrr现在的常驻地居然是澳门.......
果然是那里的钱好赚啊 LOL |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 神马都是浮云，今天的风云人物，不光是它，还有isildur，durrrr, phil，等等，真
不知道有几个能笑到最后的。
象doyle这样的，玩了一辈子牌，名利双收，有钱投资其他产业的真赢家，少而又少。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 46 very interesting topic...
in my eyes, edge can come from a few areas, so far, i guess we're mainly
talking about hand skills (or how to best play a hand?)
however, in events like WSOP ME, more experienced players also gain a much
higher edge on other things, for example:
1) bankroll, out of those ~7000 players, to be honest, i don't think most of
them are well bankrolled for it at all. yeah, it's only "10K" and a good/
serious player should be able to "save it up" in a year. but for those guys
w... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 47 这可能就是live的死结，业余玩的根本谈不上量(200 hr/yr??)，波动也放大。
durrrr要是从live打起，估计早去麦当劳打工的career了。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 48 然后就开始乱来, learn to stand up right away and go home. yes, it's a very
painful/lonely ride back home but you're already a winner if you do so.
yes, sometimes you stay for longer, bang, all of a sudden you hit big and
win more back. sometimes you up your stake and bang, hit big again and win
more back. but, this will only increase your expectation next time when the
same thing happens again.
情绪控制 is not about poker any more, we have to deal with it. it's the
biggest leak ever and could ruin a brilli... 阅读全帖 |
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E*******r
发帖数: 520 | 49 然后就开始乱来, learn to stand up right away and go home. yes, it's a very
painful/lonely ride back home but you're already a winner if you do so.
yes, sometimes you stay for longer, bang, all of a sudden you hit big and
win more back. sometimes you up your stake and bang, hit big again and win
more back. but, this will only increase your expectation next time when the
same thing happens again.
情绪控制 is not about poker any more, we have to deal with it. it's the
biggest leak ever and could ruin a brilli... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 817 | 50 Durrrr本人twitter上刚说他Had my biggest loss ever yesterday。
据说在澳门现场一晚上输了400多万美元。
现在没有FTP给他们发钱和报销了。他现在edge越来越小。继续打来打去，说不定就和
Barry Greenstein一样将来5000元都拿不出来。 |
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