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发帖数: 3382 | 1 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 如何读圣经 "southern confederate did so, then they committed fallacy."
you are evading the question. you are certain that the southern confederates
were wrong about slavery, right? you are certain the fundamentalists are
wrong about the age of the earth, right? the question is how do you prove it
. they got their answers from the bible too, no more or no less than what
you did, then why are you so sure that you are right and they are wrong?
unless you can justify your judgement it is only an arrogant reite... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 2 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 一点感受 You also twisted my meaning.
Please see common fallacy 2.
Most bible verses are descriptive instead of prescriptive.
I showed how those verses should be understood in historical context. Not to
encourage anyone to use the method nowadays. |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 3 You can check my post about common fallacies(final part).
If you have better ways, please reply my post about how to read bible.
Thanks. |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 4 This is not a method. These are fallacies.
這種
應該 |
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 7 你这个逻辑谬误的学名儿叫： argument of ignorance.
可以去学习一下常见的informal logic fallacy, 基督徒基本都用了一遍，circular
reasoning什么的。 |
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 8 Argument from ignorance, also known as argumentum ad ignorantiam or "appeal
to ignorance" (where "ignorance" stands for: "lack of evidence to the
contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is
true because it has not yet been proven false (or vice versa). This
represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option,
which is that there is insufficient investigation and therefore insufficient
information to prove the proposition satisfactorily to be e... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 9 An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for
argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an opponent
instead of against their argument. Ad hominem reasoning is normally
described as an informal fallacy, more precisely an irrelevance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 10 ad hominem
short for argumentum ad hominem, is an argument made personally against an
opponent instead of against their argument.Ad hominem reasoning is normally
described as an informal fallacy,more precisely an irrelevance.
大师，转轮子偶尔也该换个花样吧，看得人审美疲劳阿 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 11 诉诸人身谬误（英语：ad hominem fallacy），指借由与当前论题无关之个人特质，如
人格、动机、态度、地位、阶级或处境等，作为驳斥对方或支持己方论证的理据。诉诸
人身又称作“对人不对事”、“因人废言”或“以人废言”。
诉诸人身可诉诸负面特质（也称作人身攻击谬误）、正面特质、或中立特质。
形式种类
1, 经验主观
“你没有加入我们这行，怎么可以对我们就说三道四！”
“你又不是XXXX爱好者，也不了解我们的乐趣，再说我们的兴趣又没违法也不是作奸犯
科，你有什么资格批评！”
“你有本事就去XXXX，你有什么资格来批评！”
“你算什么，有什么能力指指点点！” |
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发帖数: 228 | 12 Your post is full of logic fallacies.
First, according to christianity, there is only one god, and he is “全知全
能全善” blah blah blah. So, when he committed even one single crime, he is
not “全知全能全善” no matter how many idiots try to deny it. Is it so hard
to understand?
The statement of "中国人民是勤劳勇敢的" refers to ALL the chinese people.
Rigorously, if one of them is lazy and coward (like you, who do not have the
courage to accept facts), then this statement IS wrong. But people accept
it under the assump... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 13 Nathan Ketsdever, lifelong theological questioner just like you. avid
theology, cultural, & philosophical thinker & reader.
New atheist authors (Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, et al) and the people who
repeat their arguments (ad infinitum). My problem with these authors, their
followers, and their ideology mostly gets to 3 issues which spread from
those books:
Scientism. The worldview that science explains everything--that the
arts and philosophy don't matter. The Folly of Scientism (Alvin P... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 14 发信人: leonana (Nana), 信区: TrustInJesus
标 题: Re: 神对于公义的启示唯有通过耶稣基督才得以完全。
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 30 19:19:19 2014, 美东)
诉诸人身谬误（英语：ad hominem fallacy），指借由与当前论题无关之个人特质，如
人格、动机、态度、地位、阶级或处境等，作为驳斥对方或支持己方论证的理据。诉诸
人身又称作“对人不对事”、“因人废言”或“以人废言”。
到底拿得出拿不出原文阿？嗯？
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 15 诉诸人身谬误（英语：ad hominem fallacy），指借由与当前论题无关之个人特质，如
人格、动机、态度、地位、阶级或处境等，作为驳斥对方或支持己方论证的理据。诉诸
人身又称作“对人不对事”、“因人废言”或“以人废言”。
到底拿得出拿不出原文阿？嗯？ |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 16 Abusive fallacy – a subtype of "ad hominem" when it turns into verbal abuse
of the opponent rather than arguing about the originally proposed argument.
把我贬低了一下，还是没有回答问题。女娲造了几个人，他们是如何繁衍后代的？
对，请问你对中国人的定义是什么？
顺便问一下，您是中国公民么？我记得你把中国叫“你的祖国”。 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 17 appeal to common sense,楼主自称正常人都会这样想，但是这不是证明，而且不符合
现实。
Argumentum ad hominem,楼主使用了基督徒都是糊涂人的前提，这个前提不仅不符合现
实，还是对基督徒的人身攻击。
Begging the question,用基督徒都糊涂的前提，证明基督徒是糊涂的，进而证明“上
帝”不存在。结论的一部分已经在前提中了。
即使基督徒是糊涂的也无法证明上帝不存在，这里的逻辑不连续了。犯了formal
fallacy，没有前提直接出结论. 除非楼主使用，基督徒的糊涂可以证明上帝不存在的
前提，那么就犯了circular reasoning/另一个begging the question. |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 18 基逻，不敢回答问题就诉诸人身
An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for
argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies in which a claim
or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the
author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. |
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a***x
发帖数: 1303 | 19 以色列军队攻进加沙，打击哈马斯，成为全球新闻，也引起争议。众所周知，以色列是
民主国家，哈马斯代表专制。这场冲突不仅是专制与民主的冲突，野蛮与文明的冲突，
背后也有犹太教（衍生出基督教）和伊斯兰之间的对抗。
那么怎么看待伊斯兰？美国知名的伊斯兰教专家、普林斯顿大学教授路易斯（Bernard
Lewis）曾在《华尔街日报》刊文指出，伊斯兰教义《可兰经》上写着：“要用战斗把
世界上所有不信伊斯兰的人，都变成穆斯林”（伊斯兰信奉者被称为穆斯林）。而伊斯
兰教的先知穆罕默德，就曾率领军队，砍杀征服。
另一个任人皆知的事实是，22个成员国家的“阿拉伯联盟”，多数都没有真正的民主选
举，更无宗教自由。很多穆斯林国家，女性不要说没有投票权，甚至连开车都被定罪，
出门必须带面罩，受到歧视和摧残。
那些大胡子男人主导的穆斯林世界，只要听到任何批评，就示威抗议，就谩骂骚乱，就
群起而攻之，制造恐怖气氛，威胁世人封嘴。印度裔英国作家拉什迪的小说《魔鬼的诗
篇》被视为亵渎伊斯兰，在全球追杀；丹麦报纸刊出穆罕默德的漫画，遭到全球穆斯林
抗议，他们愤怒地砸毁人家使馆，攻击丹麦人。前任罗马教皇本笃十六世只是引用古人... 阅读全帖 |
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j******f
发帖数: 228 | 20 科学家发现只有生命能产生生命
I was pointing out the fallacy in his logic: Something hasn't been proved
doesn't mean the opposite has been proved. If you cannot understand, at
least try it before bitching out. |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 21 ad hominemn。自己没有解释，又开始说别人也这样。
You too fallacy。说我也是这样。
appeal to common sense。说大家都知道。
事实上你还是没有证明你了解我所想的。 |
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t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 22 如果投了20次head， 下一次是tail的可能性会增加吗？
这问题就是monte carlo fallacy
然后就有了以monte carlo tree search作为 machine learning的例证 |
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t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 23 其实汉传佛教 也在潜移默化地变动着
国内静坐的风气也是越来越浓，正如市场经济
有了消费者， 自然汉传的寺院很多也开设了禅修班。
但是汉传僧团的问题依旧积重难返。。。首先一个问题就是“厌智”。
如果大陆汉传如果连印顺法师的著作都没有中肯中道的学习和理解
想要发展是很难的。 尤其是现在政府对意识形态的洗脑甚嚣尘上， 想要利用佛教
对抗基督教的兴起。
转贴
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印順佛學與大乘是佛說
2017. 1. 30 Mon.
* 以下修改自本部落格舊文，刊於2017/2《弘誓》雙月刊以及鳯凰佛教網
印順佛學與大乘是佛說——2016無錫「批印」研討會之回應
去年（2016）十月底本人參加江蘇無錫惠山寺為期兩天的佛教義學研討會，會議主題是
「印順法師佛學思想研討」；我是極少數「躬逢其盛」而與主辦單位持相對立場的學者
，不少人問起我這次的會議，在此簡短表示一些看法如下。
推動印順思想深入探討？
該研討會「邀請函」表示：印順法師是現代最著名的僧人學者，著述浩繁影響深遠，在
兩岸佛教學術界、思想界堪稱泰斗，共尊為導師；在印順法師誕生... 阅读全帖 |
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z****0
发帖数: 3942 | 24 【 以下文字转载自 Parenting 讨论区 】
发信人: Beida101 (北大学子), 信区: Parenting
标 题: Re: 望提高亚裔高校录取率的“法律之友”已递交最高法院
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jun 7 12:17:08 2012, 美东)
哈佛大学年初时被教育部调查是否在录取上对亚裔有歧视之嫌，今年亚裔的录取率就是
近年来最高的，比往年增加了15%。
Hehe, logical fallacy. Correlation does not equal causation. The reason
could be that 2012 is the Dragon year! And BTW, what was the result of the
investigation?
他们那场的21个学生几乎都是亚裔小朋友，颁奖的时候孩子们几乎也都考上了级。
Hehe. If you look at the other facet of the problem, why no OTHER races pay
such a huge attention t... 阅读全帖 |
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B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 25 Logical fallacy: Ad hominem
Manners.
Manners!
Keep your composure even if you are losing. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 26
I have enough experience in the compiler domain to tell where he gets it
wrong. If language A does more than language B then it is impossible to
convert a program written in A into B. To do that the original A program
has to chop down to fit in B - in Chinese "削足适履" - a show stopper.
That's just one of the fallacies in his thinking. I can go on to other
problems such as performance, efficiency and so on but it's already bad
enough. HTML+JS is too weak to be a powerful platform for serious apps. |
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k**********g
发帖数: 989 | 27
This is the recommended initial approach. Prototype as quick as possible (
getting it to run correctly in the shortest amount of writing time.)
But once a profiler tells you the bottlenecks, do you have the proper skills
to do the optimizations which you have promised?
呢?
This is a misunderstanding. The principle is that bottlenecks are usually by
a small fraction of code. By being a bottleneck, it is implied that the
implicated code accounts for a disproportionately large fraction of total
exe... 阅读全帖 |
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a********k
发帖数: 2273 | 28 花了一个小时，深深的鄙视一下自己的无聊行径！！
125 蔡亮 男 1980年11月 复旦大学 生命
科学 2007年12月毕业于[美国]北卡大学 [美国]加州大学旧金山分校 博士后
Cai L, Mostov K. Polarity is destiny. Cell. 2009 Nov 13;139(4):660-2. PubMed
PMID: 19914162; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC2900917.
Cai L, Makhov AM, Schafer DA, Bear JE. Coronin 1B antagonizes cortactin and
remodels Arp2/3-containing actin branches in lamellipodia. Cell. 2008 Sep
5;134(5):828-42. PubMed PMID: 18775315; PubMed Central PMCID: PMC2570342.
Cai L, Makhov AM, Bear JE. F-actin... 阅读全帖 |
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s**i
发帖数: 4448 | 29 反转和JDT差不多，自己的claim没有证据，以对方无法证伪己方claim做论据。
你说有害，拿出数据来。
你说有上帝，拿出证据来。
不要用没有证据能否定“可能存在的害处”/"上帝存在”来做你的论据。
反转和JDT的逻辑错误就是Argument from ignorance (Latin: argumentum ad
ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance stands
for "lack of evidence to the contrary"), is a fallacy in informal logic. It
asserts that a proposition is true because it has not yet been proven false
(or vice versa).
只要你aruge potential harm却没有数据来证明确实，那就是Argument from
ignorance.因为potential harm是不可证伪的。任何事物对人类都有pot... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****i
发帖数: 24 | 30 请问下面的题目属不属于13种common logical fallacies中的一种？ 考试时如果不指
明flaw的种类，分数影响大吗？ 多谢！
“This past winter, 200 students from Waymarsh State College traveled to the
state capitol building to protest against proposed cuts in funding for
various state college programs. The other 12,000 Waymarsh students evidently
weren’t so concerned about their education: they either stayed on campus
or left for winter break. Since the group who did not protest is far more
numerous, it is more representative of the state’s colle |
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m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 31
了.
所有人都倾向认为自己是正确的。你做的不只是提供客观事实吧。就你在这里的辩论方
法，几个常见的逻辑谬误fallacy全用了。什么Appeal to Authority(中医治一些西方
人还不认为中医能治的病就是夸大疗效，中医没有得诺贝尔奖说能治这个病就胡吹），
什么Appeal to Popularity（中医太假在中国都式微了），什么over generalization
（中国人当了几千年的东亚病夫，都是叫中医害的），你这些张口就来的胡说八道还少
？我一次又一次的指出你这些错误，你从来都不虚心接受，反而将错就错，还说什么中
医造成了中国人的矮化。你从来就挑别人的错，自己说错了时候说过sorry么?表面上都
是客观公正，骨子里是偏见自恋，就跟在世界上指手画脚的霉国人一幅德行。 |
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m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 32
I provide 10 pieces of information, 1 or 2 maybe misinformation.
But you continuously use lack of information and logical fallacy to attack
Chinese Medicine. And so far you haven't provided any help here. The only
thing you care about is to destruct, what credit do you build? |
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t*****e
发帖数: 224 | 33 大家来批判一下我的批判吧。。。
批判“实际商业周期”－－从“集群谬误”谈起
科学家一个最基本的要求就是避免逻辑谬误，这是一定程度上为什么数学对科学包括经济
学那么重要的原因：如果所有的经济学推理都能用数学语言表达，那么经济学家就能避免
逻辑谬误。当然这是不可能的，很多关键的经济学推理还是依靠普通语言。而普通语言到
处都有陷阱；不是吗？虽然“白马非马”摆明了没道理，但诡辩家仍能用似是而非的逻辑
谬误说得大部分人服服帖帖。
一个经济学家常犯的逻辑谬误叫作“集群谬误”（Fallacy of Composition），也经常被
翻译成“合成谬误”，指把在个体身上成立的结论搬到群体身上，比如说看到一个股民能
发财，就说所有股民都能一起发财[1]。这看似愚蠢至极，不易上当，但换个形式换个故
事，很多最聪明的脑袋都会中套，其中甚至包括今年获得诺贝尔奖的基兰（Kydland）和
普雷斯科特（Prescott）。
这两君子是“实际商业周期”（Real Business Cycle）理论的鼻祖，他们毫不犹豫地从
另一位诺贝尔奖获得者卢卡斯（Lucas）那儿继承了“代表经济人”（Representative |
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t*****e
发帖数: 224 | 34 I'm absolutely serious. I know it will make some people unhappy, but it is
what i think after reading both sides of arguments. Of course my argument is
not new. In the book I mentioned in the note and elsewhere there are other
arguments against RBC, too. But this one, the fallacy of compostion, is the
fundamental one to me. In retrospect, i feel it is silly for so many otherwise
brilliant economists to jump into it in the 80s.
The reason why RBC is successful, I think, consists of three. First, |
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c******r
发帖数: 889 | 35 They did nothing wrong.
It's a standard procedure to take X-ray pictures of all your teeth at your
first visit. Because of the anatomy of the head and the fact that one can
hold only a tiny piece of film in the mouth, it takes many shots to cover
all your teeth.
The exposure to the radiation is minimum and it does no harm to your body at
all.
That you had ulcers in your mouth the next day after your visit is just an
unfortunate coincidence.
This is a classic correlation vs causation fallacy. Som |
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s*******1
发帖数: 135 | 36 Attoeney: I ask you to find Mr. Smith guilty of assaulting Mr. Jachson.
Regrettably, there were no eyewitnesses to the crime, but Mr. Smith has a
violent character. Ms. Lopez testified earlier that Mr. Smith, shounting
loudly, had threatened her.Smith never refuted this testimony.
The attorney's argument is fallacious because it reasons that
A. aggressive behavior is not a sure indicator of a violent charecter.
B. Smith's testimony is unreliable since he is loud and aggressive.
C. Since Smith ne |
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b*****t
发帖数: 8 | 37 呵呵, 不理解您怎么看出来"搞个人崇拜"的意思的, 更不明白与六十年代有任何关系.
^_^ 而且, 怎么又冒出一个崭新的ID (全部发贴数: 4, 包括新人报道贴), continuing the unprovoked attack on littlenorth's English?
I am expressing a personal opinion, with no plan to keep in sync with "所有"
follow-ups messages. Besides, no one can honestly dispute that the follow-
up messages represent a wide variety of views.
This is a discussion forum, not a model essay showcase. Like anyone who
writes spontaneously without time to review and revise, it is natural to
make a few typ... 阅读全帖 |
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w******e
发帖数: 1187 | 38 I don't mean to start a fight here, but I do think you are the one who are
rude to me first.
a
some logical fallacies here: a scholarship doesn't equal a full ride(or do u
mean free ride?:) you can get fee waiver or money in different sums.
the granting of scholarship has a lot to do with the lsat score, based on
common sense plus some previous discussion. r u trying to deny it? if not,
then getting a scholarship is NOT totally beyond your control, coz you can
try to increase your chance greatl |
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s**d
发帖数: 142 | 39 这个所谓的china practice，又是一个天大的忽悠。中国国内的法律市场有多大，有人
估计过没有？中国全国的法律市场的总和，估计还没湾区大。这块小肉，轮得到美国律
师来吃吗？美国JD在国内混出个人样的，一只手就数得过来，而且都是10多年前回去的
，剩下的国内做大的律师，都是一开始就在国内混的。所以现在上法学院，打算以后“
回国发展”的，呵呵，基本上是在发梦。
版上的诸位，跟国内公司打过交道没有？国内的公司是什么概念，就跟国内的人一样，
95%都是烂人烂公司，尤其是法律部的，更烂，包括华为海尔这种所谓跨国公司。他们
根本不知道怎么看work product quality，就看账单，和个人关系。尤其是到collect
bill的时候，扯皮的时候多了。别看美国是个律所就叫嚣着有中国office，基本上每个
都在亏钱，每个都有collection的问题，国内的公司，想赖帐就赖帐，赖完了还有N多
美国所屁颠屁颠的去bid。
美国律师，跑到国内去混，根本就是下策。去一个亏钱的remote office，基本是自掘
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发帖数: 10012 | 40 恩
我也觉得 law不是全球通用
有地域限制
在美国学法律跑回过去practice
确实基本没可能
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发帖数: 1187 | 41 well, there is always the "potential":P
to go off the topic a little bit, I'm wondering how many Chinese partners
there are in US law firms. the only few I know are in IP practice, which is
why I favor this direciton. after all, it's hard to imagine how we can
become
rainmakers when facing with a WASP client base in corporate law field.
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s******s
发帖数: 20 | 42 多谢。作为一个新人，我其实是很想听harsh words的。
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发帖数: 10012 | 43 how about corporate law patent law?
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发帖数: 204 | 44 你在美国律所的中国office做过?
我个人认识若干个在top wall street firm的中国office成为partner的中国人，请问
你认识几个在同样水准的firm的纽约office成为partner的中国人？用你的话说，有几
个中国JD在美国混出了"人样"?
至于你说的在国内发展的问题，那些问题在哪儿不存在呢？要想混出"人样"，谁不需要
成功地解决这样和那样的问题，难道中国人在美国处理这些问题更加得心应手？
还有，我至少知道有两家top6的law firm中国office的ppp要高于firm wide的ppp
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x**y
发帖数: 10012 | 47 恩
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发帖数: 204 | 48 另外，你觉得为什么这些top firm给那么好的expat package,有些甚至相当于一年工资
的一半来吸引律师去中国？这些firm的managing partners脑子坏了？
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w******e
发帖数: 1187 | 49 I actually have one datum to provide for this argument: I attended a talk
by a Chinese partner in a Biglaw once. He came to US in the late 80's,
so as you can imagine his oral english is kinda broken and his style is
quite conservative. I can't help but wonder whether his key role in founding
the Chinese branches has a lot to do with his success in making partner.
However, it still doesn't make sense to me why fresh US-educated JD would go
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发帖数: 122 | 50 这也就是前两年大家怀着"potential"的梦想都到中国淘金的时候吧。现在谁还脑子进
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