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发帖数: 791 | 2 可笑 from textbook fallacies descents into a deplorable bad, tribal exorcising
dance --say hello to voodoo boy
可鄙 taking things out of context, miss-interpret, and/or deliberatly being a
dumbass
可悲 waste of resources(all sorts from all parties)
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发帖数: 19049 | 3 AN ORISON OF SONMI~451
On behalf of my ministry, thank you for agreeing to this final interview.
Please remember, this
isn’t an interrogation, or a trial. Your version of the truth is the only
one that matters.
TRUTH IS SINGULAR. ITS “VERSIONS” ARE MISTRUTHS.
… Good. Ordinarily, I begin by asking prisoners to recall their earliest
memories to provide a
context for corpocratic historians of the future. Fabricants have no
earliest memories,
Archivist. One twenty-four-hour cycle in Papa Song’s is i... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****h
发帖数: 3386 | 4 你此处的验证，证伪地用法都是属于verbal fallacies. 文科生呐。。。 |
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发帖数: 3575 | 5 所谓持有
“中医不是科学”观点的人
大概有三种论据
1 中医基本理论阴阳五行，上来不看，为什么不看？假的？为什么假的？算命先生用过
。我在开头已经做了解答，logic fallacy.
2 稍微有点技术含量的，就是一知半解的扯波普理论，什么可试错的扩充之类。但是波
普哲学有个弱点，就是它只认为渐进性的修改，而否定跳跃，并且要么篡位成功修改旧
理论，要么认怂被当成错误。再此之外，并存鼎立的状况没有涉及到，或者被中医黑错
误的理解为不可能有。心理学的例子已经很清楚了，各学派可并存，并不存在一对一错
，或一主一次的关系。
3 就是是否从微观研究起才是可靠的观点。这种观点纯粹是视角的偏见。归一下谬，在
这种观点指导下，除了量子力学，其它都是不可靠的科学，最后都要被量子力学拓展统
一的。而我也阐述了宏观自有特殊的规律，可以与微观交叉，未必被微观囊括或未来被
微观囊括。
这个不完全导读给的很清晰了吧？再看看第6楼，我相信你们会有不同的理解。
子曰“好为人师，不求甚解”
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发帖数: 1632 | 6 电面原来要问那么些具体知识啊。。。
问我：C# 里啥时候用 static。我竟然忘了。。。 只好说，我过去用了好多 static
啊，但为啥涅？。。。 然后念叨了半天，说，好像是为了各程序间传数据，因为我印
象最深的是我用 static object 构建了一个 queue，来在几个 module 之间实现
pipeline，从而这些 modules 可以做并行处理。。。
然后问：database design 中， denormalization 有什么用？我心说，靠，十几年前
国内程序员等级考试问题啊，我现在哪里还记得？这个不是 google 一下的事么？回来
一 google，是为了 performance。立刻想起前几年在组里给大家做 data mining 的科
普时讲过这个。。。
接着问了个 multiple testing 的问题，我说需要 significantly justify the p-
value，这是最常见的 statistical fallacy。他问 justify 的公式是啥。。。 我当
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发帖数: 377 | 7 既然是review, 不妨也来看看这个。
http://www.bible-researcher.com/recovery-version.html
6. Conclusion
The Recovery Version is a fairly literal translation. In places, the
translators’ attempts to be literal have led to renderings which would
probably baffle some readers, some phrases being meaningless or not readily
understandable. The translators have tried to consistently render certain
Greek words by the same English words, wherever they occur – but this can
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发帖数: 3382 | 8 i feel i went through all those trouble for nothing since you are
fundamentally questioning science, the scientific method and the science
community. if you have zero trust in science, then i don't think it is
necessary for us to continue. how can we reconcile if you think all those
science discoveries are not facts but human fabricates based on politics?
how can we reconcile if you don't even believe that the world is more than
10000 years old? and bye the way do you know how many people actual... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1301 | 9 i feel i went through all those trouble for nothing since you are
fundamentally questioning science, the scientific method and the science
community. if you have zero trust in science, then i don't think it is
necessary for us to continue. how can we reconcile if you think all those
science discoveries are not facts but human fabricates based on politics?
how can we reconcile if you don't even believe that the world is more than
10000 years old? and by the way do you know how many people actuall... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 25615 | 10 1. 我不是懷疑考古學，我問你即使 Jericho 符合聖經描述， 怎麼推出
其他部份也對？ 何況描述還未必對。
2. 你亂引用也不知道求證一下
看一下 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
讀一下 Common fallacies 那段。
3. 死海古卷頂多證明那時到現在沒篡改， 這就像我們要是發現封神榜
很早的抄本一樣，還是不能證明那上面寫的就是真的。
更何況古卷跟現在舊約還相差不少，你自己查查。
4. 你這個海道什麼的也太膚淺了吧？ 古時候人不知道魚會到處游嗎？
5. foundations of the world 是什麼？ 海底山脈很難想像嗎？
你講的這些如果就算證明， 那麼聖經講錯的是不是就否證基督教了？
蚱蜢之類的。
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发帖数: 1607 | 11 对于你的质疑一，你的观点是必须证明圣经中所有的细节来证明圣经是对的。那我就说
说你最爱的进
化论。进化论有没有被证明？从科学理论上，用实验的方式，自然进化出新物种证明进
化论对；在考
古领域里发现所有已知生物的进化链条上的所有化石。有没有？
对于你第二点质疑。我就说Common fallacies 那段。他简单一句nDNA研究证明是有很
多女人，
而不是只有一个。怎么证明的，机理是什么？核DNA的变化非常复杂，选用线粒体DNA去
研究就是为了
避开核DNA的复杂性。我还真想知道怎么用核DNA研究这个问题的。第二对于“亚当”和
“夏娃”不同带
的问题。实际上这个问题是这样，科学家根据基因的变化来判断先祖的年代，是基于对
变化率的假设
的。所以得到亚当和夏娃相差的年代很大。但是后来的实验研究表明，原来的假设是有
问题的，变化
率远比原来的设想复杂的多。亚当的谱系的追寻不是用线粒体dna，夏娃的谱系追寻用
的是线粒体
dna。目前对于变化率还没有一个非常清楚的认识，所以基于变化率推算出来的年代，
只能作为一个
参考数据，远没有达到同位素碳14断代那样可以依靠程度。
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发帖数: 25615 | 13 http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/may/15/stephen-hawking-i
Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story'
In an exclusive interview with the Guardian, the cosmologist shares his
thoughts on death, M-theory, human purpose and our chance existence
A belief that heaven or an afterlife awaits us is a "fairy story" for people
afraid of death, Stephen Hawking has said.
In a dismissal that underlines his firm rejection of religious comforts,
Britain's most eminent scientist said there w... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 15
你這連 fallacy 都算不上，根本與題目無關。 |
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发帖数: 38403 | 16 【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
发信人: leonana (leonany), 信区: Belief
标 题: How to Persuade a Christian to Become Atheist
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jun 6 03:22:40 2011, 美东)
Steps
1
Are you prepared? You have to give them a real reason - not just an
emotional one. However, you have to realize that many of their reasons
for being a Christian are emotional, so be ready to show atheism in an
emotionally positive light.
2
Think about your friendship. Are the two of you close? If not, try to
increase your friendship b... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6791 | 17 Much of what people do is done in the name of God. Irishmen blow each other
up in his name. Arabs blow themselves up in his name. Imams and ayatollahs
oppress women in his name. Celibate popes and priests mess up people's sex
lives in his name. Jewish shohets cut live animals' throats in his name. The
achievements of religion in past history -- bloody crusades, torturing
inquisitions, mass-murdering conquistadors, culture-destroying missionaries,
legally enforced resistance to each new piece of ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 18 The amillennialist believes that God has abandoned Israel and is finished wi
th His national people forever. In short, Israel will not receive any of her
earthly promises. Therefore, they must get rid of the Millennium as a liter
al promise given to Israel. Of course, the Scriptures clearly teach that God
is not finished with national Israel (Rom. 11:1-2, 15, 25-27). In addition,
the amillennialist also teaches that the Church of today has supplanted or
taken over the place of national Israel an... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4956 | 20 【 以下文字转载自 Belief 讨论区 】
发信人: Godwithus (神与我们同在), 信区: Belief
标 题: Mormon Beliefs, are they Christian?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Oct 18 21:54:10 2011, 美东)
Mormon Beliefs, are they Christian?
by Matt Slick
There's a lot of discussion about Mormon beliefs. So, in order to make this
easy, I will list out what Mormonism actually teaches. These are not sensati
onalized, and inaccurate statements.
Following documentation from Mormon authors. Finally, please understand tha
t the Mormon Church uses Christian t... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 21 How can there be any real freedom of choice if only one kind of choice is av
ailable, and one which has been decreed eternally? But would a Holy God decr
ee evil? Obviously, this is not free choice at all. It is, however, the only
"freedom" Calvinism can allow. Pink favorably quotes J. Denham Smith, whom
he honors as a "deeply taught servant of God":
I believe in free will; but then it is a will only free to act according to
nature . . .. The sinner in his sinful nature could never have a will a... 阅读全帖 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 23
Wishful thinking is a fallacy.
Now, you can continue. |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 24
With statements full of fallacies?
你沒有誠心討論的，才會有什麼五句話這種無聊要求。 話題是你開的，
不想討論就算了。 |
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h******d
发帖数: 1891 | 25 Lao E, let me know what are your definitions of fallacies and wishful
thinking, please. Without the rules, I really don't know how I could play
better with you. hehe |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 26
are
True. Faith is illogical, based on many logic fallacies. |
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s********b
发帖数: 3 | 27
回应：
一、注意“长老”不是“老年人”可能是年轻人或中年人。请长老抹油祷告是很正常的
，任何相信圣经的教会都会有人相信并实践的。
二、我不清楚怎样解释‘“圣经”“新约”明确要求女人在教会要“闭口不言”’。
我不知道这个教导是不是绝对的，或“明确”。
例如，哥林多前书十一章，
4 凡男人祷告或是讲道（讲道或作说预言下同），若蒙着头，就羞辱自己的头。 5 凡
女人祷告或是讲道，若不蒙着头，就羞辱自己的头。因为这就如同剃了头发一样。 6
女人若不蒙着头，就该剪了头发。女人若以剪发剃发为羞愧，就该蒙着头。
这些经文意为，女人可以讲道（先知预言）只有蒙头（要不就剪头发）就可以了。与哥
林多前书十四章34-35节的教导有异。我没时间具体查原文希腊文怎么写的。
在网上找到一篇有关文章。（比较长）
http://www.ntrf.org/articles/article_detail.php?PRKey=16
Correctly Interpreting 1 Corinthians 14:33b-35 (Part 1＆Part 2)
by Steve Atkerson
If you ever wis... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 4298 | 29 Creationist Wisdom #234: Who’s the Moron?
Posted on 21-March-2012 | 11 Comments
We occasionally post about columns written by Ben Bova, a good science
fiction writer, when he discusses The Controversy between evolution and
creationism. He lives in Naples Florida, and sometimes writes for his local
paper, the Naples Daily News: The last time was here: Ben Bova: The Search
For Life’s Origins.
Bova recently wrote The ignorant and their leaders are marching endlessly —
to oblivion , but we didn’t po... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3382 | 31 littleshirt, you are making a pretty nasty logic mistake here and funny you don't seem to realize it
you just completed a perfect circular argument, and let me point it out for you
“Once you have your own kids, are you going to push your kids to school, or to semi-annual dental cleaning (a lot of kicking and screaming and crying... just wait till you have your own kids)? These are optional (literally not required by the law), do you decide for your kids, or let your kids make their own choice? I... 阅读全帖 |
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s*y
发帖数: 933 | 32 这不是典型的strawman fallacy，稻草人谬误么？自己树靶然后打倒。
至少在这里看到的讨论，没有人说任何理论是科学“真理”。接受进化论的更是有提出
可以证伪这个理论所需要的条件和证据。
进化论是个科学理论，是通过科学方法，包括逻辑，实验，等等所得出的结论。它是目
前最好能解释、预测物种来源和走向的理论。
看的出来你不接受进化论。那我们不妨比较一下你接受的理论和进化论。你接受的理论
是有什么逻辑和实验科学的证据支持？能证伪你的理论的条件和证据是什么？ |
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发帖数: 5754 | 34 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 超越上帝
a common fallacy for 反机 is not acknowledging God as the omniscient and
benevolent creator of the universe with absolute rightouness and sovereignty
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X*t
发帖数: 1746 | 35 假兩難（推理、論證）（False dilemma），又稱非黑即白（black-or-white）、偽（
假）二分法、偽二擇（選）一法、偽兩面法、雙刀法等。它對討論的論題，提出看來是
所有可能的選擇或觀點（一般是兩個）；但其實這些選擇並未涵蓋所有的可能性，因之
可能疏漏了其他可能存在的、甚至是真實的情況。假兩難推理屬於分散注意謬誤（
Fallacies of Distraction），是一種非形式謬誤。其特性是錯誤使用「或」邏輯運算
符（Or operator）。要破解此類謬誤，可以證明除了論證中提出的選擇外，還有其他
的可能。
例子
1.要麼人類是上帝創造的，要麼人是從猴子（人猿）變成的。 ——這推論犯了假兩難
推理的謬誤。因為「上帝創造」及「猴子變成」並不是人類來源的所有可能。除非能證
明除這兩種可能以外，人類無可能有其他來源；否則這句並不成立。
2.你中學畢業後如果考不上好學校，則下半生都要做低薪的工作。（參見訴諸恐懼）
——事實上，考不上好學校也不一定表示下半生只會做低薪的工作。
3.你再不煮飯，今天晚上我們便要捱餓。 ——除了在家中吃飯外，還可以外出用膳。
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 36 IMHO, 老七的推理和结论中的错误在于：
老七不认同基督信仰的最基本的前提，却来论断在此前提下的阐述。
he/she has been trapped in his/her fallacy for years. May God have mercy on
her/him. |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 37 http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/18/my-take-six-things-i-d
My Take: Six things I don't want to hear after the Sandy Hook massacre
By Stephen Prothero, Special to CNN
(CNN) – There are a lot of things I am sick of hearing after massacres such
as the one at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. Here
are six of them:
1. “It was God’s will.”
There may or may not be a God, but if there is, I sure hope he (or she or it
) does not go around raising up killers, plying them with semi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3382 | 38 Plurium interrogationum -
Fallacy of demanding a simplistic answer to a complex question.
Example: "If god didn't create the universe then explain what did."
Non-Sequitur -
This refers to an argument in which the conclusion does not necessarily
follow from the premises. In other words, a logical connection is implied
where none exists i.e. "There is so much beauty in nature. There must be a
God." |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 39 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 偶像就是 special pleading fallacy |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 40
你『沒有讚美』，不是嗎？ 沒說你否定神做的事，但是至少你不覺得該去讚美這事，
不是嗎？
Fallacy of Special pleading.
你經歷過日軍屠殺嗎？ 你經歷過任何屠殺嗎？ 又不講經歷了？
那就夠了， 老七其實就只要你承認你『贊同』神殺嬰屠城，
吵什麼二元不二元的根本離題。
老七是個白痴，我也是， 被你拉著去討論啥宇集空集的， 實質的問題其實早解決了。 |
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E*****m
发帖数: 25615 | 41
都可以按照你的動作判斷
都可以按照你的動作判斷
不讚美不是動作。
Fallacy of special pleading.
歸納一下， 暫時死一下還會復活的值得讚美， 不能復活的犧牲不讚美，對吧？ |
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l*****a
发帖数: 38403 | 46 Superior Court of Human Intelligence
Anti-Stupidity Law
1:Thou shalt not commit logical fallacies |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 47 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 如何读圣经 I told you this post is about a method, not related to any perticular bible
verses.
I recommend you use the method in my post and reread bible with ESV study
bible.
Then you won't have these questions.
You committed at least first, second common fallacy in my post.
导？ |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 48 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 如何读圣经 These verses are descriptive not prescriptive. So Bible doesn't tell you to
do these today.
You committed common fallacy 2.
导？ |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 49 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 如何读圣经 No. fallacy means mistake. scroll down further. |
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发帖数: 3382 | 50 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 如何读圣经 okay so you believe the southern confederates committed some fallacy...
what makes you think you have the authority to make this judgement? you are
no more than just another sinner are you not? what makes you think you are
more right than them? after all they are the literal, word by word
translator and perpetrator of the bible scriptures, you are not.
i don't care what your understanding of genesis is, i am asking whether you
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