i***i
发帖数: 7 | 1 his campaign dishonest or disorganized?
Obama's flip-flopping June
There's nothing wrong with a politician changing his mind. They all do it,
and constancy in the face of error can be as harmful as flip-flopping.
Yet the month of June saw Barack Obama abandoning positions at a clip so
brisk it should give even his most stalwart supporters pause.
In the wake of last week's Supreme Court ruling overturning Washington's
handgun ban, for instance, the Obama campaign disavowed a 2007 statement it
had |
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s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 2 对，我觉得核心议题是美国的经济，以及如何管制非法移民源源不断的进入美国。
其他事情，他爱怎么flop 就怎么flop.
实话说，那些非核心议题，什么同性恋啊堕胎啊，我连听都不耐烦听。这些烂话题都炒
了几十年了，对美国有什么实质影响？也就是某些左逼和右逼不敢去面对美国的实质话
题所以去炒作这些无关紧要的边缘话题。 |
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l*****6
发帖数: 7881 | 3 造进攻犯规是合理运用规则（虽然有些规则很傻逼），担不是欺骗。
因为很多时候造进攻犯规是要牺牲自己身体，被狠狠撞一下的。只有很好的防守者才能掌握这个尺度。
FLOP也分两种。一种是对方确实已经犯规，为了让裁判看得更清楚，所以表现的更夸张
一些，这个还好。属于看完让人觉得好笑的一种。
还有一种就是零接触或者体毛级接触，就假摔的FLOP，这种就是很贱了。 |
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i***0
发帖数: 8469 | 4 你肘子不抬起来,人家怎么flop也没有用
现在是大家都想偷偷搞别人一下
那么flop也是诱敌深入,歼敌的一个好办法了 |
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n****e
发帖数: 4990 | 5 好的flop起码能骗得了裁判，而且让别人不看录像回放根本看不出是flop。
kb这个就是一个普通人都一眼能看出来。这就是档次的差距。 |
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c*****m
发帖数: 4817 | 6 果然
MIAMI -- The flop is having an impact on the playoffs, and it's being caught
much more than it was in the regular season.
Miami guard Dwyane Wade became the latest recipient of a postseason flopping
fine Monday when the NBA ordered him to give up $5,000 after a review
showed he over-exaggerated a foul during Game 2 of the finals that was
charged to San Antonio's Manu Ginobili.
...
AP |
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B********e
发帖数: 10014 | 7 应该讨论下，这个是不是应该当场就有鉴黄师鉴定，
如果是flop，立马停止比赛，加罚？
这比泥马时候罚个毛毛雨公正多了吧？
caught
flopping |
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q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 8 这一杆选flop的好处是什么？为什么不用chip？是因为flop比chip在落点上好控制么？ |
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r*********e
发帖数: 29495 | 9 【 以下文字转载自 Basketball 讨论区 】
发信人: eeyare (eeyore, actually), 信区: Basketball
标 题: Bosh fined for flopping in game 4.
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jun 14 16:08:33 2013, 美东)
Marc J. Spears @SpearsNBAYahoo
Heat center Chris Bosh has been fined $5,000 by the NBA for violating the
league's anti-flopping rules during Game 4 of the NBA Finals. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 sorry, didn't notice the flush draw part.
i guess a check with position here is still better:
1) pot control.
the pot is big already considering your stack behind, any "meaningful" bet
here ($150+) will commit yourself. any "baiting" bet here (say, another $68)
is hard to get him away after he calls your $68 on the flop.
if you hit your draw on the river, hard for him to put you on such a hand
anyway, i.e., you'll still get value;
2) you don't want to be check raised.
Ac on the turn is a pretty |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 11 good point, I am just too aggressive and bet 200$ on the pot , when he check
raise all in , I know am far behind but have to call the rest
172$.
surprising ly he show set of QQQ, that is too risky for check twice on that
flop and turn.
I lost 450$ as a result. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 12 If he's super short stack, the opponent doesn't get a good implied odds from pre flop,
calling all-in on flop with a gut shot straight draw would only make sense if:
1. he gets the right odds with call (very unlikely)
2. it's a tournament and it's very close to be in the money or already in the money
Do you think so?
up) |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 sigh, i was running bad too.
$26 90 ppl SNG, 78o on a rainbow flop 69T, raise, re-raise, all-in, guy has
9To, hits f**king river T. would feel much better losing to a flopped set.
then lose a series of small tourneys, can't win any confrontations... |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 14 I lead on the pre-flop and after flop. check the turn. one raise and the
other re-raise, I fold. not a hard fold, but FTP does this to me so many
times recently... |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 He 2 X and i 3 bet to 7 X preflop. 2s 7s could be in his range but
after the 3 bet, i think my stack should be in there anyway after flop. The
way I under represented my hand after flop ( i played like I have pocket Ks)
, I do think i am facing a lot of bluffs and A top pair. It is not an easy
call but i don't think i am folding this ever.
Also, when the other player's value range is small, you always call. ^_^ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 i lost 2 like this the other day too.
22 vs. 66 on 6A2xx, i have a note on this guy "not a bluffer so far", but
was still a tough situation on the turn when both of us couldn't wait any
more
66 vs. AA, AA made it cheap pre for me, 654 flop, i check raised flop, bet
raised turn, river A, both checked, well, he got scared by flush possibility
, so i saved some. |
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z*******y
发帖数: 578 | 17 昨天在赌场遇到一把，
两家AK, 一家66 Flop A K 6 三家all in
Turn K
Flop set的 66这家伙 郁闷死了 ... |
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r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 18 这个flop raise应该是commit自己了吧。
i think your hand is too good to be a bluffing hand.
it's a wet board. he can have overpair, or sth like AhQh or TJ or he can put
you on those hands. so I'll go with 3.5:1.
i think it is all in flop, or fold to his cbet if you believes him.
我还不到这个级别。
有没有可能call然后有机会show down呢？不过这种想法也许太weak了。
cal
Ha |
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B*********s
发帖数: 4158 | 19 nut flush draw是不是更倾向于call我的re-raise呢。就算考虑上nut flush draw, 不
过nut flush draw也只有2-3种情况，AA+KK+QQ有18种情况。
另外我觉得flat flop得不到任何信息，他接着bet turn我怎么办，所以我就在flop re
-raise了
put |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 This is so much easier than posting pictures... now only if someone can tell
me how i can make the suit of the cards to show up as graphs... lol..
Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1031913
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
SB: $91.40
BB: $100.00
UTG: $192.85
UTG+1: $246.75
UTG+2: $238.15
MP1: $140.95
MP2: $119.60
CO: $354.75
Hero (BTN): $174.70
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with Ks Kc
UTG raises to $2, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $2, 3 ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 i think it is standard to bet bet bet on that board if he is a preflop
raiser. (bet bet shove with 100bb is fine) Since he flat pre and called
squeeze, I figured he has weak and speculative hand preflop. I think 2
street is probably good for this hand. It is WAWB situation at flop. Betting
the flop is fine too. |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 22 是应该FOLD preflop， 但是live game时候， 你一直fold SB， 你的形象会很不好，
等你一出手， 基本上没有call 你， 而一旦被人call了， 你就危险。
flop的call 主要是两个原因
第一： button的牌基本是明的（flop时我认为60% 是top two）
第二： 大盲是个CALL station， 玩90% preflop， 但是不raise, AA也是call 到底。
我想他只要有一点东西（one pair， gut shoot, 甚至有个A)， 就会call. 如果他要
call的话， 后面也许有人CALL。结果都fold了， 悲剧。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 It means that fish has got a flush draw.
I hope he makes a post of this hand somewhere and people can tell him that he does not have odds to call that~~~~~
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/1036726
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Hero (UTG+1): $164.75
UTG+2: $83.30
MP1: $57.30
MP2: $138.80
CO: $130.70
BTN: $308.45
SB: $377.25
BB: $47.50
UTG: $100.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+1 wi... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 Turn out he has KK. so i guess it is reasonable. I called that smallish donk bet to induce spazz from the late position because the board is so safe. I was happy to get it in with that board
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
UTG: $39.85
UTG+1: $473.10
Hero (UTG+2): $108.10
MP1: $50.80
MP2: $97.55
CO: $139.40
BTN: $123.25
SB: $107.85
BB: $153.90
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+2 with Ad Ac
UTG raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 check turn?
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
Hero (BB): $149.15
UTG: $145.50
UTG+1: $101.50
UTG+2: $125.55
MP1: $84.65
MP2: $186.60
CO: $122.00
BTN: $30.20
SB: $166.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with Qc Qd
5 folds, CO raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $10.50, CO requests TIME,
CO calls $7.50
Flop: ($21.50) 6s Qh Qs (2 players)
Hero bets $10, CO calls $10
Turn: ($41.50) 3s (2 players)
Hero bets $20, CO requests TIME, CO folds
Final Pot: $... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 26 Dont waste your time thinking how to play flopped quad as it only happens
twice a year. you can play whatever you want and it will not affect your win
-rate. As fcf mentioned, we need discuss something which happens everyday...
LOL... I wish I flopped quad and ask you guys how to play... |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 27 fold, your hand is weak.
UTG's pre-flop limp raise size (only $30 after 1 raiser and 3 callers) is
funny, and his check on the flop is weird too. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 28
action,
i
preflop $
flush
sure he's not going anywhere, but the problem is that he acts AFTER us.
He could be thinking TPTK is good against the LAG but not hero. To me
it's more like he's scared by the flush flop as well. If we call I don't
see him coming in.
Agree with ATs
comment though. it's live, and ANY club would stay imo. Unless a T hits,
we are never good.
On another thought...what about open to $7~$10 pre? sure you'll get
called
by many ppl, but if someone 3bets it's easy to let go, a... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 29 不对吧，如果是3-way pot, KK怎么也没有概率call吧
on the flop is also fundamentally sound. I think he should call if utg does
not call, but utg coming along make it more of a call.
win the hand. the call on the flop is 50 50%. I would not call it a good
play either fold or call. |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 30 直接推得那个fish是一个44/25的fish，Merge上这种aggro fish太多太多了
其实当时我也是和你这样想的，我当时想，如果call了，后面那个fish也跟过来就好了
从preflop的角度上来讲他拿着KTs,T8s,87s,76s,甚至65s都有可能，但是他直接推flop
的话KTs,T8s的可能性就是0,所以他只有可能87s,76s,65s这几种组合
结果是我输掉了这个pot，the fish shoved on flop got 62s
我的odds比我想象的要差很多 |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 31 1/2的台子， 因为有毛驴在， 很疯狂， 毛驴是每手raise 16-22。 毛驴有800，
chip leader 有大约1500. 我有370. 一手牌， 毛驴在BB， EP limp， chip leader
在MP raise 25， 后面一个人call， 我在cut off call with JcQc， 毛驴fold了，
EP call， 4 个人看 flop with pot 100。 FLOP 10hJsQs。 EP check, chip leader
bet 180, MP fold. Me? EP had less than 180. |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 32 I would fold. That was a scary board. He could have set of 10s or AK, or the
worst, KK. With a heavy drawing board like that, his flop overbet could be
justified.If you called the flop, then you would be pretty much committed.
That's too much to play for just two pairs. Let it go and wait for a better
spot.
leader |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 fold pre 也不错。 不过象lz描述的桌子这样玩可能永远也看不到flop. Multi-way 有
位置， 有毛驴， 筹码也不浅， call 一下我觉得还行
I would fold pre-flop.
★ Sent from iPhone App: iReader Mitbbs Lite 7.28 |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 34 我当时认为他有AA， KK的可能性大， 所以我shove了。
现在想想他有AK这样overbet也有可能， 毕竟是个action flop，
这个台子其实很crazy， 平均筹码在300BB以上， 有毛驴在， 如果JQs在有位置的情况
下都fold， 基本上没有机会看flop了
flash
If |
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 35 为什么有nuts还要overbet，赶FD么？
我觉得其实这种疯狂的桌子就应该玩小对和suited connector。pp flop set的概率是1
/8，所以只要implied odds 超过8倍就可以了。换句话说，只要大家的stack都超过$
160，$20看flop其实不吃亏。我记得suited connector hit 到draw的几率好像差不多
？
恭喜楼主的小船 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 36 If I am 100% sure some one will bet flop, C/R squezze is sweet. but I dont
want to count on that and C/R flop just kills everything.
if I bet 75 on turn and get raised by CO, will BB call? if BB call, I fold.
r
agree. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 37 Had been playing quite solid on a 2-5 NL table.
Raised 20$ UTG with AQ(hero 450$), called by tight/weak black guy(350$)
and a Vietnam girl at SB (over 1k$).
Flop came Q T 7, two spade. I checked, black guy bet 50$ into 60$ pot,
vietnam
girl snap called.
I did not have any spade in my hand. After thinking quite a while , I
just decided to fold on the flop even I know I have best hand a lot of time.
Since I only have 20$ invested and it is quite dangerous to me to continue
this hand ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 38 I do not think that it is a stanford fold since we raised pre and we do have
tptk.
I made the decision mainly based on risk/reward concern. I think that is
the area where my cash game improves somewhat after playing so many hands
online.
When we make a decision, I think we should not only make it based on
range/equality and read, we should also think about risk/reward factor,
which could give us huge long term edge. We are dealing with incomplete
information when making a poker decis... 阅读全帖 |
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n*****t
发帖数: 190 | 39 If you choose to check/fold this flop, you might want to fold pre-flop with
this hand next time. Cannot understand you point about risk control.
$)
time.
continue |
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t****t
发帖数: 95 | 40 I would be extremely aggressive if I flop two pairs with my connectors and
be very cautious on the turn for any card completes the str8.
Things like KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, JT are very vulnerable if flop two pairs. I
would lead out bet/overbet the pot to give wrong odds, rather than check/
raise to make the opponent committed to crying call with the draw. Lead-out
betting will make the pot smaller compared with check/raise, thus, minimize
the variation.
just my 2 cents.
2-
, |
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t****t
发帖数: 95 | 41 Well, let me brief the hand.
1/2/2/4 game
me: UTG + 1 with KQ of diamond, raised to 15
6 players saw the flop: K34 rainbow
I led the flop betting $40. all fold to UTG who shoved allin (we both had ~
200 left).
I am getting 2:1, 200 to win 600. I have 5 outs for the turn (Ace on the
turn)(10%) and 8 out for the river (16%). That's 26%. so donkey called and
lost. UTG had 34 of spades.
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Not my typical play anyways, and I got sick of it. |
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t****t
发帖数: 95 | 42 On the flop, what do you do when your opponent is on a flush draw and
pushes
all-in first, while you have the top set or straight flopped? |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 44 “Look at all the sub-optimal things that could’ve happened only because we
were out-of-position:
We were forced to bet the flop despite some reasons for checking,
because our opponent could bet anyway if we checked.
Our opponent can raise the flop with a lot of weak draws (97, A7ss,
Ad8, etc.) and we’d fold an overwhelming majority of the time
We had to check-fold the turn with a decent hand because it would be
too hard to play the river out-of-position. ”
especially like... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 45 还是2/5NL live, 我300 buy-in打到900多点。桌上一年轻老印（villain），buy-in
500第一手拿到KK和chip leader AA prf all-in hit K on river and doubled up. 打
法凶猛，range很大，几次bluff被抓，也有几次nut hand把两个reg wipe out. 一会儿
就有大约1600多。My image is similar to him. 然后是下面这手牌。
UTG raised to 20， villain called, I called with Ah4h at SB. Flop A 4 7
rainbow. I checked to hope villain will bet.. Both checked instead. Turn 5d,
two diamonds. UTG bet 60, villain raised to 160, I re-raised to 360. UTG
folded. Villain tanked a bit and pushed all -in... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 46 Check, you got 3 guys to act after you. Even if you had the best hand on the
flop, you hand was still very vulnerable. Check the flop and reevaluate. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 47 thanks.
there are three hearts on the flop.lots of higher flopped flush in his
range(like AhTh, KhJh etc), I guess....
would
the |
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s*********f
发帖数: 155 | 48 With a flopped flush, it seems more likely that the villain may raise on the
flop instead of the turn, because the paired board should be a cooler for
him as well. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 49 "extreme loose image" and some one fold the flop with QQ on the flop as over
pair facing your cbet?
I am shocked.
I really doubt some one will put you on an extreme loose image from a rock image after you raise button c-
bet once and shows 4-7. Its more like " oh, this nit can bluff too and steal in position" |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 50 slow play的一种结果，slow play了自己。类似的还有limp with AA, check flopped
set, top 2 pair...等等。
slow play本身并没有错，错的是忽略了后面的情况变化，自己给自己设了套，欲罢不
能，挺常见的。
slow play还有个问题就是没有build pot，比如你这个flop，对你很美，但是后面出很
多牌，比如A/J/Q/K/T...，都可能警醒你的对手(比如它们觉得你可能有两T而不愿意再
玩K)，或者搞坏你的牌(比如这把)。 |
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