d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 1
have
is
on
best
Player Nim, I don't like your using the result to prove anything.
I think you had special read on those 2 ppl. But still I am not sure why you
did not bet out on the flop. |
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f**********1
发帖数: 52 | 2 I like your check on the flop and would probably fold as well only because
of the stack size of the vietnamese girl, I'm not worried about the black
guy, I don't think you're under ranged against him, you could have AA/KK/
AsKs/AsJs/AQ/TT/77/QQ, or even Js9s, suited connector spade depending how
they perceive you. if the vietnamese stack were comparable and how you
think you can push her off the draw, I would push here or call and push on
turn with blank, the way I look at risk and reward...
al... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 3 I certainly do not fold tptk often. But based on the playing style of two
opp and the board structure, it is quite risky to proceed with this hand.
My AQ on Q T 7 two spade board is so much weaker than Q 7 2 rainbow board.
If both opp are on a draw, I could be still a huge under dog. That is
thy it is mathematical correct to fold nuts straight on the flop a lot of
time when playing PLO. Here I only invest 20$, I have to put additional 430
$ into risk wih such low EV situation if... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 4 I see Player's view. Raise with AQo pre is good under that moment. With the
flop and a new round of betting, he got more information than before, so
folding here is reasonable. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 "If both opp are on a draw, I could be still a huge under dog. "
This is incorrect. Even if they are on a straight flush draw, you are still
slightly under dog, depending on whether you have A of spade or not 45%:55%
or 49%:51%. This is not a huge underdog. If 2 of them are drawing then you
are ahead money EV wise for sure.
"My AQ on Q T 7 two spade board is so much weaker than Q 7 2 rainbow board
."
I also diagree with this statement. Your AQ is not SO MUCH weaker on a drawy
board QT7 spade.... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 6 I did mention in OP that I have no spade in my hand.
say if one guy has KJ, one guy has js9s, I run pokerstov. I only have
about 35% equality to win the pot although I am ahead on the flop. 35%
equality is a solid underdog for me.
AQ on that draw heavy board against two tight opp with strong bet/call
is pretty weak. Combined the range of two opp, it
is very likely to be -EV , or slightly +EV to proceed. I think I can get bigger edge
in the game instead of chasing such low EV( if p... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 7 小弟只玩live casino，1-2NL为主，2-5NL钱带足了偶尔为之。感觉1-2还有点胜券，2-
5纯属送钱。想请教各位一下如何打flop 2 pairs. 感觉自己bet size掌握不好，经常
该赶人时没bet足够大，不该赶人时overbet把鱼吓走。当然这跟reading和对手有关，
还是觉得自己做得很不好。高手指点下？ top 2 pairs, middle or bottom 2 pairs,
vs dry board or wet board etc..... |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 8 thanks. what if you flop your KQ/KJ/KT/QJ/JT two pairs and you led out with
a big bet and people raised you? for me most of the time people either
floped a straight or a set and I had tought time folding...
out
minimize |
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t****t
发帖数: 95 | 9 There will be 0.5% probability that one opponent flopped a set if you had
two-pair. It's extremely rare but one might have it. I'd say if you have
top two, with no-possible-str8 board, pot it.
with |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 10 what if a possible 3-card straight? for example KQT board and you flopped KQ
top two pairs. You lead out with 60 and a preflop raiser LAG raised you to
150 and one NIT called behind. What do you do?
btw did you see my PM regarding the lunch? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 preflop如果比较平淡的话，flop上两对基本也是浪费，类似TPTK。
bottom two尤其要小心。
2-
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l*u
发帖数: 1770 | 12 面对这个flop 上的all in, 假设你估计对方是bottom two. 你基本还有7 outs.， 大
概30%的赢面。
pot有90+40+200=330. 你还有200剩下来。你call这个all in似乎不划算
and |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 13 5/10 is not that hard as you imagine, especially in commerce. there are many
5/10 tables. Well, it's true that there are 2-3 very descent players at
table. But every table has at least 3-5 amateurs. Most of them are seniors
including business men, doctors. They are just rich and can afford $1000 buy
in. they play typical TAG. they are aggressive after flop. But there are
many leaks in their play to exploit. |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 14 I seriously consider about folding there. I saw him do the similar raising
with air before (but also saw him do the same raising with nuts) and I
donked my first flopped flush one hour ago and he might think i didnt have
the made flush and try to bluff me out. So I spend 420 more to win 400+ pot,
not sure what's percentage that he holds nuts. My raising cant get value
from worse hand. The only purpose is to acquire information and protect my
hand from outdrawn. So it seems too risky to spend tha... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 in the old days, i played for fun or getting high (imagine the feeling when
you hold trash suited and flop comes as ...). if someone came on top, even
better, like nobody was putting me on a made flush. or, i lost more not
because playing them like nuts, but because of chasing big/missing.
now i play for stability, hehe. |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 16 I feel you are talking about two things here, EV of a hand and EV of a
session. For EV of a hand, the stack size doesn't play in the math because
it is a known parameter. However in term of EV of a session, stack size is
indeed a important factor to consider (especial for a live session since you
only play limited amount of hands, a few big hands could define the result
at the end). And under certain situation, playing a hand in a -EV way is
more appropriate if it can increase your EV for the se... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 17 I can't agree with you more. Excellent points.
When ppl talk about long term, we have to put players in the context.
For poker pros or ppl can play everyday, the long term could mean a year, 2
years. But for recreational players who only play 30-50 sessions a year, the
long term could mean really long. Thus stack size should be a huge factor
in our decision making process. You lose 2-3 big pots in 60% vs 40% or 55%
vs 45% situation in one session, sometimes it takes you 1-2 month or even
longer ... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 18 thanks a lot for the advice. definitely a leak to fix. In this case I missed
the flop bet to get some information out of the villain. when he raised on
turn, my initial thought was just to fold since it only costed me 20 so far.
... but again with two pairs, I decided to take some actions.... My thought
was if I just flat call him, if my hands did not improve much, I probably
would still call his 200ish bet. given I like 主动在我，I raised on the turn
. hindsight it is stupid mistake 2 after mistake ... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 19 Should definitely lead out on the flop. No point to check raise. I would
fire 75$. On turn you were beat. Should fold to his raise instead of
reraising. You could only beat a bluff there. Just my opinion. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 77 at MP, UTG straddles $10, one caller, i call, short stack shoves $40, 3
callers + UTG (yeah, i know, it's loooose WV table), i call.
flop: 8c2c3d
UTG checks to me, what to do? i have $250 left, 3 guys (normal, tend to be
weak) act after me + UTG (a wild loose guy). |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 actually i led out $50, it looked like small but they could only continue
with flush draws here.
8x hand wouldn't get involved preflop, weak 99-JJ alike possible though.
my image was tight until then, hehe.
i was about right, only one guy called with AcJc. he hit turn club and
shoved on me after i checked. i hollywooded for a minute to lay down my "top
set".
paired river, and i was screaming "damn, oh my god", lol.
AcJc said he put me on 88 and i got greedy and wanted $50 more from him
instead o... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 22 老大是彻底没救了，呵呵，越赌越凶。。。
I have similiar hand yesterday. 2-5NL A few limpers, including a giant
fish, I limped with 65o at cut off, SB ,BB checked. Flop came 478r. All
checked to me, I bet 20$, button is a very tight passive old guy, raised to
40, All folded to me. He has been playing really passive, I do not think he
will raise with a draw or one pair there, so I reraised to 100$ , just looks
like to find out whhere I am at. He folded.. sign...
I think I could smooth call there..
them... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 瓦赛， flop nuts， 还被shove... TWICE... 羡慕ing。 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 24 2-5 NL last night.
I have been playing relatively LAG, open quite a few pots and won quite a
few pots.
This hand I raised to 20$ with 6h8h at cutoff, got called by button and BB
. Button is very weak and passive player. Limped in many pot and only 3 bet
one time , showing QQ. He started the hand with around 500$, I got him well
covered.
Flop comes 2h 3 h 9h. BB checked, I bet 30$, button called and BB folded.
Turn was 9, pair the board, I bet 60$, button raised to 160$. what to do
here? ... 阅读全帖 |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 25 i will do whatever as if he raise the flop
a
BB
bet
well
folded. |
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 26 misread, i thought he's on the blind, i'd call the raise and fold to shove
on the river in that case.
seems to be a fold to me this case when OOP,
based on the history, hero's hand seems to be too weak against villain's
range, in this case almost only AA-QQ.
personally i think he set on the flop |
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 27 I would 3-bet to $400 to give btn enough room to 4-bet allin here. It makes
your hand so strong if you call on the flop with such a board.
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 28 seems players/flop is less than average vpip. any idea?
tyvm |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 29 The FL is harder ... to win. Actually for low stakes FL in casino, like 2/4,
3/6,4/8, ever player is losing in long run.
When it goes above 10/20, someone get chances to win some money.
The biggest problem for FL live, is patience.
Playing tight pre-flop is only math-correct way to win.
If you are tighter then your oppoents, you got a edge over them.
The max EV is only play AA in a infinite time frame.
Is there anyone could be discplined to play only one hand per hour on live
table? Not me.
Bra... 阅读全帖 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 30 If you consistently try to bluff catch in LHE because there are so many
showdowns it will be a huge leak in your game. In the mid 2000s most
winning players had 45% go-to-showdown, and by late 2000 it was trending to
55% go-to-showdown, but still not anywhere to the point that bluffing
becomes unprofitable.
I think we need to qualify what you wrote below with 'if you play straight-
forward'.
PLO is an equity game - much different than hold'em of either variety. Like
you said the hand equities ... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 8h9h, limp at UTG, 5 limpers including one LAG.
flop: 7dTdJs, bang
i lead out $10, one new guy next to me calls, short LAG (black dude) moves
in for $48, others all fold.
new guy apparently got very excited, shouts, "hey, i don't know about you,
but whether you call or not, i'll go all-in..."
he and i each got $300 left, and he looks serious to me.
what should i do? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 pause a sec and say "i have to peel one here, call" and hope for a shove.
shove blank turn if he just calls flop. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 33 1) from the too excited way he talks, i know he must have a monster, bluff
is out of question.
2) apparently he under estimates my hand too.
3) the pot is odd, with one short stack in.
i tank for a few secs, and raise to $100 ($52 on top of $48), he immediately
shoves as said. damn, i guess i have to take variance/free roll/whatever now
, and i call.
yes, he got 89o with 9d too, a semi runner runner free roll.
river pairs the board, and short stack triples with a boat (flopped T7o
bottom 2 pair)... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 34 这在Holdem 里被free roll 的可能性太小了。 这又不是PLO. 150bb 也不是深筹码。
这里就是要想方设法把筹码在flop全放进去。 如果这里有人考虑要fold, 那么1/2$
may be too big a stake for him.
set |
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z*******y
发帖数: 578 | 35 Yeah, range...
I had a chance to throw away my hand on the turn when the orignal raiser
raised $125, it should not be that difficult to sense his hand on this
connected board. Too bad I did not grasp the chance to fold.
By the way, actually I had a hand 66 in a 3/5 live, and the flop came
exactly 633 as the example you gave, one guy had a 3 and I slow played my
monster 66. Very unfortunately the river was another 3 :) I sensed that he
might hit his quaz, but still lose 500 in that hand. But usua... 阅读全帖 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 36 nnd, 今天前面共计3把AA vs JJ (2), AA vs AK， 都是preflop all in， 输了。
这把flop all in后， 也有不详预感， 果然也输了。
我是97s
把剩的都取了，休息。 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 37 nnd, 今天前面共计3把AA vs JJ (2), AA vs AK， 都是preflop all in， 输了。
这把flop all in后， 也有不详预感， 果然也输了。
我是97s
把剩的都取了，休息。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 昨天还在说什么royal flush啥子的。
结果整出这flop来，哥差点儿没晕倒。
turn上哥已经开始做梦了，不过，靠，As(spade是奖金最高的suit)话赌场自动给$1K。
当然，下两家要是Ax就更精采了。
river哥更是一点意见都木有，150K的BBJ，哥已经准备好了，你在哪里？
一声叹息，一声廉价wow。 |
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l*******r
发帖数: 328 | 39 if the other guy had ak, it is jackpot.
I would call the flop since there is already 3bet.
PF
,
player,
the |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 40 因为flop平call之后 pot 340，effective stack ~480
turn上如果sb推正好又是一个平call，villain想继续的话就套池了
如果sb check，哥多半是个130的bet，最差大家都平call，这样pot ~690，effective
stack 250，river的推也不显得突兀，希望能够将trip a给劝进来吧 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 41 6max 200NL
SB: ~$280 He 3bet quite often in response to my steal every time.
CO：~$200 a player new to the table
BTN: ~$300 Hero As9s
Preflop
CO limp
Hero open to $8
SB 3bet to $28
CO fold
Hero call
Flop Th6s6d
SB cbet $40
Hero call
Turn 8c
SB second barrel $75
Hero shove
SB tank and fold |
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123 | 42 7d9d
Flop 7c8dJd. 害我输了钱 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 43 loose table, v1 cbet 20 into 98, giving his range, he could have set, two
pairs, top pair, pocket pair, drawing hands. v2 could over play his top pair
, middle pair, or tilt raise. so, hard to narrow down though.
need see turn action to narrow down. but call on flop is too weak unless
you were trapping, but you may not get pay if Vs didn't complete their hands
. I would raise to see the action and ready to go all in if its really
loose table.
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 44 make sense.
given V1's wildness, i should have seen this $20 flop weak c-bet as more
suspicious, and would expect he leads out more for weaker hands.
one thing good by flatting $60 is to give V1 a second chance to show his
real strength, very few ppl with his style would be sick enough to further
slow play/disguise his monster hands.
AJo OOP is a very tough hand to play, unless the table is full of passive
fish. it's a hand hard to commit with but has ok value at the same time.
well, V1 seems li... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 played a hand the other day.
UTG (600) is a semi-decent korean reg but running shit recently, limps, i (
1100) open $25 from UTG+1, LP (chip leader, with about 3K) flats, UTG calls
too.
flop: Qs9s5d, UTG checks, i c-bet 25, LP (decent too) pops up to 90, both of
us snap call.
turn: 7h, semi-blank, UTG suddenly donk bets $155 with about 400 left, i
raise to 355, LP instantly shoves, UTG snap calls, i look at the dealer,
jeremy, and tell her "no drama tonight..." while pushing forward.
river: 3s
k... 阅读全帖 |
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F****d
发帖数: 261 | 46 not convinced the korean guy got AA or KK. more likely, he had 77 :).
why bet only 25 on flop when the FD is on board?
calls
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 47 flop bet are the same, but you really are a sick guy just calling the raise
:-)
calls
of
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 48 flop bet are the same, but you really are a sick guy just calling the raise
:-)
calls
of
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 49 flop bet are the same, but you really are a sick guy just calling the raise
:-)
calls
of
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 50 flop bet are the same, but you really are a sick guy just calling the raise
:-)
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