p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 1 单从牌将，我觉得第一首打得有问题， kk是应该repop的。 不要result
oriented, 碰到AA, 就是个大cooler. 没有办法。 第二手打得很好，思路是对的。
我觉得你这次主要还是心理方面的问题。 其实， 你可能打得不是很多，大多了
这种情况迟早要经历的。 就看你以后能否碰到类似的情况是， 能否提高。 类似情况
我经历过很多次，一开始也有很多很惨的教训。 其实在打得不顺，又有很多bad beat,
cooler 时，最好的武器就是选择离开。
再copy phil galfond 的几段话，共勉：
"
You should pride yourself in making a good quit. I really mean that. When I'
m playing and make the decision to quit, I'm very happy with myself.
The two real reasons to quit are if playing is -EV financially or -EV
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 2 In term of level of thinking, I can not find anything even close
to Phil.Galfond's training vid though, even some top notch pro's vid on CR .
He only produced short handed or HU NL or PLO cash game vid though. |
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l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 3 从Phil Galfond 讲的probability, psychology, logic这三样来讲，我可能后两者比
较强，但probablility就很差，平时打牌都很少像大家算的这么仔细，什么FOLD
EQUITY，什么POT ODDS之类的，我一般就知道个大概，除非很关键的时候我会花点时间
算算，但也不会算得像你们这么很清楚，大部分时间我都不管，只知道这么多钱去CALL
不值得。所以我想知道下面这手牌我到底CALL对没?
Hero (320$): UTG+1
Villain (400$): LAG, opens a lot lately.
Villain raises 15$ from UTG, hero calls with QcQd. All others fold. Flop 10s
7s 4. Villain bets 25$, and hero raises to 75$. Villain immediately goes
all in. Hero goes into tank. I didn't reraise him pre-flop because I want... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 靠, 不要叫MM老师了, 太肉麻了.
i guess you need to have a plan at the flop especially for plo when they
like to play for stack a lot. Ranging specific hand is difficult in plo, but
you should have some idea whether you want to play for stack before you
even start betting after flop based on your opponent's stack off range and
your own hand. PLO is more about playing your own hand, with different board
structure and always remember "big hand--big pot, small hand--small pot".
It is so easy to understand, but... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 5 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 你们好无聊 这种东西争来争去， 很难有个输赢。就是真争赢了又怎么样呢？
poker 这个东西有点像武功，各种风格流派都有， 而且很多人都喜欢以明门正
派自居，把别人看作旁门左道。像射雕的柯镇恶，虽然还是一个好人，但非常自以为是
，总把别人看作邪道，魔头，自己武功不高，却感觉自己很牛逼，总以正道自居。
poker 很多东西很难讲对错， 大家都是按照自己的理解和感觉去打的。像patrick
antonus没有读过任何一本poker书，一样是世界一流高手。相反，能讲出很多道理，
理论的选手好多是泛泛之辈。 所以真的没有必要把自己的想法强加于人。
像 Phil Galfond 26 岁， 比这里大多数人要年轻，却是是世界级高手。可为人
却十分谦虚，我看过他大多数的NL video, 他经常承认自己在 打牌中tilt , 也说自己
的game 有leak. 这样的世界级高手，都能承认自己有leak, 别人给我们指出game 有
leak, 我们心平气可得接受就是了，大可不必大惊小怪。 我自己的game 就有非常多的
leak, 需要提高，学习的东西很多。本... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 6 you play 6 max or FR? what is your stat in these games? should have least
30-35 buy in to be a somewhat safe if you play FR at one level for long term
. 50 buyin is pretty safe if you have decent edge in the game. For 6 max ,
it should be higher. maybe 75-100 since swing is a lot bigger. I agree with
dch that playing style matters. playing 24/20 needs a lot more BR than
playing 12/8.
but you can always take 10-15 buyin to take shot at higher level and move
back if it does not work well. ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7 thanks for the input , guys. has been playing too much live poker last
few days and did not get time to reply this.
In actual play, I did fold it. I fold it based on villian's playing style
and his turn raise range. He could raise with full house or higher flush
for value which I was drawing dead against. He showed me QQ, with Q of
hearts. He thought he is way ahead.
I do not feel bad about this fold though. Think about Phil Galfond 's G-
buck concept. QQ-AA with one heart is pretty ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 8 I do not usually play 200BB+ with top 2 unless with strong read.
when you make this kind of decision, we may always refer Phil.Galfond's G
-bucks concept. We put opponenets on a range of hands and think about our
hand's equality against that range. We define that range based on opponent's
style, position and how the hand is played out. We also want to think about
risk/reward factor when we make the decision. I definately do not like to
risk 400$ to a 40$ pot with top 2 , w/o strong read.
Y... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 9 我觉得在比较低得level 上，打sng BR 会增长得比较快，对BR 要求小。风险也小得
多。好多online pro, 向 durrrr , Phil Galfond, 都是打sng 把BR 打起来后，在打
cash game的。好像现在cash game 的环境也大不如前。
st husng 在husng.com 有几个免费的video, 在2p2 husng 版，有一个非常大的
thread. 关于st husng的。 有个德国的牛人，在ps 不到一年，只打st husng, 已经赢
了 700k. 以前在FTP时，我同他打过。 不过，st husng 如果rake 超过2%, 最好不要
打了。不太好beat. |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 10 www..dot...runitonce...dot...com
Without doubt, Phil .G is one of the best online cash game player, with
over 10 million$ online winning. Also, Steve Gross is the best online MTT
player in the world, not one of. He has over 6 million online cash ,with ROI
over 100%.
With former super high stake winners like trex313 and urindanger in the
site, this is almost an allstar team. Way better than CR, BF, DC etc.
Poker now days is just getting tougher , with so many training site
aro... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 11 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这手牌乍办 phil Galfond 就在他2+2的well里说如果他打micro stake 会玩40/12.
Jim 大大, lihai, vely lihai.
我现在也就周末偶尔玩玩。 Full ring 没table 也会开6max（merge FR 的NL100 你
妹的基本开不出来啊）. 可能已经被Jim 老大血洗过了。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这手牌乍办 phil Galfond 就在他2+2的well里说如果他打micro stake 会玩40/12.
Jim 大大, lihai, vely lihai.
我现在也就周末偶尔玩玩。 Full ring 没table 也会开6max（merge FR 的NL100 你
妹的基本开不出来啊）. 可能已经被Jim 老大血洗过了。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 13 有个大牛说过 SNG其实是一个非常好的学习poker的道路 高水平的sng 涵盖了从full
ring到短手、 range调整、 postflop等多种poker必要技能。典型的成功例子是Phil
Galfond。
中间转型cash，估计很多东西又都要重头来过。
其实任何一条道路都通向poker成功之路，对于seriously想要打出一片天的玩家来说，
认真做好bankroll management，不停的练习、总结，短期的输输赢赢算个p。打扑克贵
在坚持，任何其他的成功又何尝不是。 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 14 今天说一下我看过的几本口碑非常好但是个人感觉用处不大的书。（大概是我的打开方
式不对吧……）
第一本是ed miller 的《Professional No-Limit Hold 'em: Volume I》。 应该说这
本书的出发点还是很有意思的。作者试图用stack to pot ratio（SPR）来处理poker当
中的各种可能的situation。这是这本书的特点，也是这本书没什么用的原因……现实
的情况比简单的SPR复杂的多，感兴趣的可以看Bill Chen的《The Mathematics of
Poker》。另外让我比较无语的是很多和stack size有关的interesting and
fundamentally important的concepts在这本号称专讲stack size的书里面居然完全没
有涉及。这个就是不能容忍的了。比如说100bb effective stack size， 为什么3bb
open 比5bb 或者2bb open要好。为什么3bet size是一般是10bb，4bet size一般是
20bb。如果对手open 5bb 或者 2bb... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****s
发帖数: 29 | 15 In my opinion it is more like "situational" move, if the table is loose and
aggressive.
Let's first look at premium hands. If you raise with AA/KK/AK in EP, and get
3 callers, it is really hard to play OOP postflop, and it gives you an
awkward SPR. If you limp and get raised by someone, you can easily get on
the top with a 4bet, such that SPR is better and you can get rid of callers
with speculative hands. If you don't get raised, it's much more easier to
get away from the limped pot if postflop... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 其实D神是BSO 自己就是Galfond. G man 在他的2+2 的well 里装B, 自己打
microstake 会打vpip 65/17 （具体数字不记得了） 之类的， post flop 把可以reg,
fish 都爆出酱。 牛B 啊。 其实我很想看看他打NL100 65/17如何赢钱， 在我看来，这
比在NL1000打24/20 难多了。
谁有兴趣可以去看看。 搜G man 的well， 前5，6页就有提到。。。 |
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h*****s
发帖数: 3289 | 17 其实还是cash选手厉害 cash高手认真打tournament都不会太差
比如isidur zigmund galfond 本杰明....
tournament某种意义真是donkament...... |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 18 你这个call的水平不是tom dwan,是phil Galfond啊，尤其第一把。
2013 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 第一手刚才读帖太快，竟然miss 了。 这手果然是phil galfond水平。特别是turn 的
snap call~
哥仿佛已经听到了如果PG 在做training video 时的解说“even though I only have
6 high here with a gut shot， I do not think villian has anything, so I can
play perfectly against him on the river with 6 high."~~~~ 请问楼主大牛是介
个意思吗？ |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 20 It's very naive for us to judge Isildur, who is considered as one of the
best by Dwan and Galfond. But if he also select opponents strictly, and only
playing with fish on PS, I think he is still grinding NL100 now, and of
course, "keeps his winning".
Reality is, this "bad poker player who can't keep his winning" has already
made over 4m this year. Maybe that's not a lot money to you, but I think
most likely that's more than I can make from my poker life.
take |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 21 It's very naive for us to judge Isildur, who is considered as one of the
best by Dwan and Galfond. But if he also select opponents strictly, and only
playing with fish on PS, I think he is still grinding NL100 now, and of
course, "keeps his winning".
Reality is, this "bad poker player who can't keep his winning" has already
made over 4m this year. Maybe that's not a lot money to you, but I think
most likely that's more than I can make from my poker life.
take |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 23 我高度怀疑galfond话的真实性。被人看见底牌和running bad完全两码事,就连我这种
水平,hu不出5分钟我也能觉察出不对劲,他怎么可能不知道?
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 24 Galfond makes his living by playing online. Do you think he will say online
poker is rigged and scare off all his customers?
This topic has been discussed to death on this board. If you think their
dealing system is totally random, just believe it all you want. I don't
believe the randomness but I will say this:
The bottom line is as long as you makes money, you can continue to play
there. Don't complain the sucking out, cold deck impacting your winning
rates. Just think about it, fish and donke... 阅读全帖 |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 25 First of all, Galfond palyed HUSNG exclusive for quite a long time to build
majority of his roll, but I'm not sure what games he played on UB.
Secondly, there are definitely a lot of ways to avoid getting caught playing
HUSNG in a limit sample size as a super user.
Imagine if I could see your hold cards in a HUSUG, I wouldn't use that
information to fold to your normal value bet. I would play "normally" most
of the time, but only by doing three things I could easily crush you and you
wouldn't re... 阅读全帖 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 26 你说的都对,要装是不难的。但这个超级用户从来不装,打tourney每手牌都上手,最后拿
第一。high stake cash game更是乱来,最后也是被一些用户举报,网站才开始调查。
galfond就算不是举报人之一,也知情,这些high stake pro 都互相交流。
build
playing
you
get |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 27 I think you are right about it. I just watch a interview with Tom Dwan. He
got 300k refund and said that there was only one time while he was playing
at Ultimate Bet that he thought something was likely going on.
Since Galfond only got 100k refund and how high they were actually playing,
he might be lucky to not playing that superuser that many times. I'm not
surprising if he was one victim and not realizing it. I wouldn't think he
need to lie about it. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 I saw this hand replayed back then. Honestly, I would not be surprised at
all if Galfond and urindanger were IMing each other during the hand. We are
talking about a lot of money in play. What a joke if you expect these
gambling degenerates to play honest.
cheating
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 30 你的说法是对的。如果你对对手有足够的read，比如你知道他水平很一般，river only
shove with absolute nuts，在这个情况下是boat+，那你bet small的策略没有错。
我们现在考虑更general的情况。比如flop出来 AA2 rainbow， 你是preflop raiser
with AK。我们来看应该bet多大。你说的所有理由都是成立的，就是对手基本没什么牌
，如果他有A你总能赢钱。
但是，如果我们考虑“balancing your betting rang”的话，我们就会有新的思路。
这个pot我的想法是pot flop， pot turn，shove river。显然如果你每次这么做都是
AK+的话，对手能轻松fold。但是如果你mix with air呢？通过计算，在flop 上的
optimal play （注意optimal play的定义不是max EV，是纳什均衡解）你大概能mix
70%的air。在turn 上你大概还能mix 50%的air，在river 大概还能mix 30%左右的air
。显然如果对手每次都call到底... 阅读全帖 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 32 Phil Galfond 他们讨论的背景中对手最可能的是有超过 top pair的牌力。
所以raise有bluff走对方的意思。
而lz提供的这个录像中最经常发生的是大家都没牌乱bluff一气。
所以只要catch 对方的bluff就行了。
所以在这个river call就够了。raise不过是增加自己一旦判断失误的代价。
你这么想，如果对方是纯bluff，你call就赢下pot。
如果对方牌力比你强，你raise那么一点对方会fold吗？在这种大家都频频bluff，同时
又怀疑别人bluff的背景下，对手有超过A8 top pair的牌力，根本不会fold。
拿A8这个人这么打就是因为相信对方是在bluff。
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 33 系啊系啊, 握手握手，还以为乐版只有俺和张三兄好这口儿，没想到家驹老弟也是道儿
上混的哈！ TD(durrrr)这小子打牌是天才，Stu Ungar那种。Hold'em Heads Up的实力
当世只有Phil Galfond和isildur1可以与之匹敌了。 |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 34 Tom Dwan challenge looks to get underway soon
February 13th, 2009
The challenge issued by Tom Dwan to everyone (except for Phil Galfond) looks
to be almost underway, as FTP has set up a series of special heads up
tables titled ‘durrrr Challenge’ 1-4. One seat is reserved for Dwan, and
it’s expected play will begin shortly at the 200/400 PLO tables.
For those of you unfamiliar, here’s the text of the challenge issued by
Dwan a few weeks ago:
“I’m making this heads-up challenge to the world. A |
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