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发帖数: 5754 | 1
谢恩的。而比如前几天在网上把一个基督徒驳得体无完肤了，这件事情也要谢恩？比如
：“感谢天父让我发泄得很爽？”
Then the 基督徒 who has been 驳得体无完肤了 has a lot to thank the Lord for.
。因为魔鬼干的事情未必都是坏事情，比如让你找到一份好工作，娶到梦寐以求的女人
，身体健康等等。这个时候谢恩的话，谢的又是谁呢？
God reigns in Heaven and Earth with absolute sovereignty, so in all things
give thanks to God.
We give thanks and praises to the Lord for a gifted brother/sister. May s/he
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 2 Study By: Greg Herrick
A. Introduction
“Two things never live up to their billing; the circus and sin.”
“It does not matter how small the sins are, provided that their cumulative
effect is to edge the man away from the Light and out into nothing. Murder i
s no better than lies if lying does the trick.”—C. S. Lewis
“The punishment of sin is sin.”—Augustine
B. Translation of Passage in NET
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness an
d unrighteousness of people who ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 3 D. Simple Point Outline
I. The Basis of God’s Wrath Against the Gentiles (1:18-23)
A. The Gentiles Suppress the Knowledge of God (1:18-20)
1. God Has Made Himself Known (1:18-19)
2. God’s Eternal Power and Divine Nature Can Be Known from Creation (1:20)
3. The Gentiles Are without Excuse (1:20)
B. The Gentiles Are Idolaters (1:21-23)
1. They Do not Glorify or Thank God (1:21)
2. They Became Futile in Their Reasonings (1:21)
3. Their Foolish Hearts Are Darkened (1:21)
4. The Gentiles Exchanged th... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 4 F. Homiletical Idea and Outline
Idea: How Does God Judge Mankind’s Sin? He Gives Them Over. But first…
I. Why Does God Judge People? (1:18-23)
A. They Suppress the Knowledge of God (1:18-20)
1. God Has Made Himself Known (1:18-19)
2. God’s Eternal Power and Divine Nature Can Be Known from Creation (1:20)
3. They Are without Excuse (1:20)
B. They Are Idolaters (1:21-23)
1. They Do not Glorify or Thank God (1:21)
2. They Have Became Futile in Their Reasonings (1:21)
3. Their Foolish Hearts Are Dar... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 5 Study By: Greg Herrick
A. Introduction
“Two things never live up to their billing; the circus and sin.”
“It does not matter how small the sins are, provided that their cumulative
effect is to edge the man away from the Light and out into nothing. Murder i
s no better than lies if lying does the trick.”—C. S. Lewis
“The punishment of sin is sin.”—Augustine
B. Translation of Passage in NET
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness an
d unrighteousness of people who ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 6 D. Simple Point Outline
I. The Basis of God’s Wrath Against the Gentiles (1:18-23)
A. The Gentiles Suppress the Knowledge of God (1:18-20)
1. God Has Made Himself Known (1:18-19)
2. God’s Eternal Power and Divine Nature Can Be Known from Creation (1:20)
3. The Gentiles Are without Excuse (1:20)
B. The Gentiles Are Idolaters (1:21-23)
1. They Do not Glorify or Thank God (1:21)
2. They Became Futile in Their Reasonings (1:21)
3. Their Foolish Hearts Are Darkened (1:21)
4. The Gentiles Exchanged th... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 7 F. Homiletical Idea and Outline
Idea: How Does God Judge Mankind’s Sin? He Gives Them Over. But first…
I. Why Does God Judge People? (1:18-23)
A. They Suppress the Knowledge of God (1:18-20)
1. God Has Made Himself Known (1:18-19)
2. God’s Eternal Power and Divine Nature Can Be Known from Creation (1:20)
3. They Are without Excuse (1:20)
B. They Are Idolaters (1:21-23)
1. They Do not Glorify or Thank God (1:21)
2. They Have Became Futile in Their Reasonings (1:21)
3. Their Foolish Hearts Are Dar... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 8 F. Contribution of Passage to Systematic Theology
This passage contributes to the doctrine of the depravity concerning the ent
ire human race and that no person has escaped the grip of sin. Further, no a
mount of good works, done in accordance with the highest ethical norms, can
result in our being declared righteous. The situation is hopeless as far as
we are concerned. Our entire heart, mind, and will is enslaved to the power
of sin and we stand under the just wrath of God.
G. Contribution of ... 阅读全帖 |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 9 F. Contribution of Passage to Systematic Theology
This passage contributes to the doctrine of the depravity concerning the ent
ire human race and that no person has escaped the grip of sin. Further, no a
mount of good works, done in accordance with the highest ethical norms, can
result in our being declared righteous. The situation is hopeless as far as
we are concerned. Our entire heart, mind, and will is enslaved to the power
of sin and we stand under the just wrath of God.
G. Contribution of ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 3781 | 10 by Dave Hunt
Two Conflicting Views
Calvinism presents us with the mystery of why God Who is love and Who is inf
inite in mercy toward all lets billions go to hell whom He could rescue. The
Bible on the other hand, confronts us with quite another mystery: why anyon
e who is offered salvation as a free gift of God's grace chooses to reject i
t. We have no answer to that question. Pusey writes:
There is something wonderfully impressive in the respect shown by the Creato
r to the freedom of choice w... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1153 | 11 团结起来与其为了征战，不如珍爱神赐予的生命，无论是自己的还是他人的。
在自己有限的一生中配合圣灵，be more like Jesus，从而be glorified in Himself.
尔牺牲
的基督徒们， |
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R*o
发帖数: 3781 | 12 by Dave Hunt
Right here we confront another vital distinction. It is one thing for God in
His sovereignty, and without diminishing that sovereignty, to give man the
power to rebel against Him. This would open the door for sin as being solely
man's responsibility by a free choice. Is there any reason why God could no
t do this while retaining His absolute sovereignty? Of course not. A denial
of free will in protection of God's sovereignty is well intentioned but unne
cessary and misguided.
In or... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******d
发帖数: 1191 | 13 Romans 1 (King James Version)
1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto
the gospel of God,
2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of
David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of
holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith
amo... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 10694 | 14 << Romans 1 >>
American Standard Version
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1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto
the gospel of God, 2which he promised afore through his prophets in the holy
scriptures, 3concerning his Son, who was born of the seed of David
according to the flesh, 4who was declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead; even
Jesus Christ our... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******d
发帖数: 1191 | 15 link: http://online.recoveryversion.org/BibleChapters.asp?fcid=118&lcid=118
ROMANS CHAPTER 1 (Recovery Version)
I. Introduction --
The Gospel of God
1:1-17
A. Promised in the Holy Scriptures
vv.1-2
1 1Paul, a 2slave of 3Christ 4Jesus, a 5called 6apostle, 7separated 8unto
the 9gospel of God,
2 1Which He promised 2beforehand through His prophets in the 3holy
Scriptures,
B. Concerning Christ
vv.3-4
3 Concerning 1His Son, who 2came 3out of the 4aseed of David according to
the 5flesh,
4 Who was 1desi... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 16
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and
unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/calcom38.v.vi.html
" He reasons now by stating things of a contrary nature, and proves that
there is no righteousness except what is conferred, or comes through the
gospel; for he shows that without this all men are condemned: by it alone
there is salvation to be found. And he brings, as the first proof of
condemnation, the fact,... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 17
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath
shewed it unto them.
" Inasmuch as what may be known of God, etc. He thus designates what it
behoves us to know of God; and he means all that appertains to the setting
forth of the glory of the Lord, or, which is the same thing, whatever ought
to move and excite us to glorify God. And by this expression he intimates,
that God in his greatness can by no means be fully comprehended by us, and
that there are certain limits wi... 阅读全帖 |
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6. Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
"
As he had to do with blind saintlings, who thought that the wickedness of
their hearts was well covered, provided it was spread over with some
disguises, I know not what, of empty works, he pointed out the true
character of the righteousness of works, even that which is of account
before God; and he did this, lest they should feel confident that it was
enough to pacify him, if they brought words and trifles, or leaves only. But
there is ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********t
发帖数: 5754 | 19
4. God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,
That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when
thou art judged.
"
4. But let God be true, etc. Whatever may be the opinion of others, I regard
this as an argument taken from the necessary consequence of what is opposed
to it, by which Paul invalidates the preceding objection. For since these
two things stand together, yea, necessarily accord, that God is true and
that man is false, it follow... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1153 | 20 神在自己做事。
We wish that God may be glorified through us, and He answers prayer.
你同意楼主“学医的人信基督教必定精神有问题”的观点吗？ |
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发帖数: 887 | 21 翻译:任大弟兄
Live for Eternity - Paul Washer
No one has been able to bear the preaching of The Gospel, they will live the
eternal against and feast on you as aninmals, or be converted.--Through
yourself upon Christ! Stay in him,trust in him.
we are not called to build empires, we are not called to be seperated, we
are called to glorify the God--Eternity!
One day you stand in the granite halls, before the lord's glory, and kings
the great men on the earth, devided, splited and culled--Some are caste... 阅读全帖 |
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h*****k
发帖数: 5022 | 22 他是个爱神的好孩子，打球也是glorify God |
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发帖数: 933 | 23 Wrong, your reasoning is not sound. You are trying to fit for an answer
after the fact. First of all, creation does not predict that a creator must
use common building blocks/materials to create various species. Second, no
text in Bible supports common building blocks/materials anyway. In fact,
one would expect, if there is a 全能的 God, that he would create life use
many different building blocks/materials. This would show his awesome power
that he is not limited to one material, and would ce... 阅读全帖 |
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C*****e
发帖数: 367 | 24 【 以下文字转载自 Church 俱乐部 】
发信人: CCBible (神同在圣经), 信区: Church
标 题: Glossary to the Westminster Confession
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Apr 24 21:16:33 2012, 美东)
Glossary to the Westminster Confession
Explanations of all archaic and uncommon words, usages, and expressions, in
the order in which they occur.
Title Confession. n. Public statement of religious beliefs.
1.1 Providence. n. Divine care. Manifest. v. Show. Are they. idiom. T
hey are. Unto. prep. With regard to. Sundry. adj. Separate. D... 阅读全帖 |
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C*****e
发帖数: 367 | 25 【 以下文字转载自 Church 俱乐部 】
发信人: CCBible (神同在圣经), 信区: Church
标 题: 海德堡要理问答主日34
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Apr 26 01:34:41 2012, 美东)
海德堡要理问答主日34
来自基督徒百科
目录
1 英文版
2 英文2011版
3 赵中辉版
4 陈达/王志勇版
5 基督教要义圣经课程版
6 链接参考
英文版
34. Lord's Day
Q. 92.
What is the law of God?
A.
God spake all these words, Exodus 20:1-17 and Denteronomy 5:6-21, saying: I
am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out o
f the house of bondage.
1st commandment:
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2nd commandment:... 阅读全帖 |
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m****s
发帖数: 18160 | 26 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
Dramaer (不要问我从那里来) 于 (Fri Oct 22 12:02:52 2010, 美东) 提到:
Act 1：1-11 Jesus Taken Up Into Heaven
1In my former book, Theophilus, I wrote about all that Jesus began to do and
to teach 2until the day he was taken up to heaven, after giving
instructions through the Holy Spirit to the apostles he had chosen. 3After
his suffering, he showed himself to these men and gave many convincing
proofs that he was alive. He appeared to them over a period of forty days
... 阅读全帖 |
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E******u
发帖数: 3920 | 27 给你加点料
A number of passages are put forth to support the doctrine, including (
quotations are from the ESV):
John 15:16: "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that
you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide, so that
whatever you ask the Father in my name, he may give it to you."
Acts 13:48: "And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and
glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal
life believed."
Romans 9:15-16: "For... 阅读全帖 |
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E******u
发帖数: 3920 | 28 给反方加点料
These are Scriptures commonly used
Conditional election[citation needed]:
Isaiah 45:22 "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth, for I am
God, and there is no other."
Mathew 11:28 Jesus said "Come to me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and
I will give you rest."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 7:17 "If any man is willing to do His will, he shall know of ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 29
established idea for status quo's sake or for getting more funding.
That's NOT my opinion, so I can't change from it.
True scientists shall explore the wonder of the universe as their ultimiate
goal, so as to fullfill their God-ordained role to glorify the Creator.
Unfortunately many like Higgs have to overcome obstacles from "other
scientists"
because of their tendency to pledge their faith in popular beliefs
& the autoriative & famous in science --- they treat science as a religion. |
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m****a
发帖数: 9485 | 30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pzmw6DDEodQ&feature=related
I stand all amazed
I stand all amazed at the love Jesus offers me
Confused at the grace that so fully he proffers me
I tremble to know that for me he was crucified
That for me, a sinner, he suffered, he bled and died
Chorus:
Oh, it is wonderful that he should care for me enough to die for me
Oh, it is wonderful
Wonderful to me
I marvel that he would descend from his throne divine
To rescue a soul so rebellious and proud as mine
That he s... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 6300 | 31 Question: "Did God create evil?"
Answer: At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil
must have been created by God. However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock
or electricity. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its
own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they
only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it
cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all
He created was good... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 5754 | 32 “因你们要在火中荣耀耶和华。” Amen.
24:15 Wherefore glorify ye the LORD in the fires, even the name of the
LORD God of Israel in the isles of the sea. |
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发帖数: 18304 | 33 版上有同学转了个新闻：一对基督徒夫妇，孩子生病了，不送孩子看医生，两个孩子都
不幸亡故。
下面是那对基督徒夫妇的教会的一篇布道：
http://www.fcgchurch.org/Messages/Pages/Healing%20-%20from%20Go
Healing - From God or Medicine?
Since God cannot change; Jesus is the same; and the Holy Spirit
is with us, then the same healing all through the Bible, is the healing from
God anyone can receive who believes. The healing ministry of Jesus is all
through the New Testament, and since He is Hebrews 13:8 “the same yesterday
, and to day, and for ever,” then w... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 34 http://www.clearbibleanswers.org/questionsanswers/100-how-can-g
How can God PUNISH a person’s family to the 3RD AND 4TH GENERATION?
QUESTION 17
IS IT FAIR FOR GOD TO PUNISH THE INNOCENT? HE SAID, "VISITING THE INIQUITY
OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION OF
THEM THAT HATE ME"! (EXODUS 20:5)
Only four times in Scripture this phrase is recorded. In Exodus
20:5, Exodus 34:7, Numbers 14:18, and Deuteronomy 5:9. These are all in the
writings of Moses. In E... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 35 没错。上帝不需要我们的钱，永生是一个免费的礼物赠给每个人，要我们决定是否接受
。我们只需要对自己的罪悔过，并相信耶稣在十字架上赎了我们的罪，就可以得到这个
礼物。
而这个礼物是人自已无论如何努力也无法得到的。当耶稣再来，基督徒与上帝在一起之
后，当回首世间的生活，我们会发现这世间的一切物质财富与追求都是浮云。
而且上帝保佑基督徒，让基督徒做的好，做的优秀，成为世间的光：
Matt 5
14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden
. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they
put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the
same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good
deeds ... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 36 来自主题: TrustInJesus版 - 地狱是误译 KJV当然不是完美的，NIV中已经把很多问题纠正了。但是问题是JW的翻译跟后来的几乎
所有ESV，NIV，NET，NASB都不一样。我看了一下我说的那几段，跟天主教的圣经都不
一样。说以前所有的翻译都不对，只有JW是最准确的，不是很有说服力。
暂且不管别的地方的翻译，耶和华的名字在新约中的使用也是很多人极力批评的。
而且有很多人也说NWT的翻译有问题。
不过我发现似乎你的中文版本跟英文版（2013新版）差别还不小：
NWT2013
Philippians 1:6
For I am confident of this very thing, that the one who started a good
work in you will bring it to completion.
耶稣在信徒身上做了工，一定会让这个信徒完美的。这不是说一旦得救永远得救么？
NWT2013
1 John 5:3
I write you these things so that you may know that you have life
everlasting,+ you who put your... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 37 我感觉新教强调了上帝的在信主过程中的作用。新教信徒相信上帝如果让信徒信了，那
么上帝就不会抛下这个信徒不管。所以信徒的任务似乎更轻了，上帝的任务更重了。
Romans 8
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love
him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God
foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that
he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he
predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he
justified, he also glorified.
道理就是靠人自己，人是没希望让上... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 38 这里的belief版的版主也是反对基督教的。所以没必要大惊小怪。版主信上帝更好，不
信也没什么。基督徒本来就生活在各种权威之下。
可以想想这段：
1 Peter 2
11 Dear friends, I urge you, as foreigners and exiles, to abstain from
sinful desires, which wage war against your soul. 12 Live such good lives
among the pagans that, though they accuse you of doing wrong, they may see
your good deeds and glorify God on the day he visits us.
13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether
to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 39 https://net.bible.org/?ref=nbt#!bible/Genesis+3
Who was the tempter? Among evangelicals there are two major views regarding
the identity of the serpent.
1. It was a literal snake.
a. Moses called it a beast of the field (v. 1).
b. Though snakes do not speak, Satan could have spoken through a snake. He
did this through demoniacs in Jesus’ day. Also, a spirit being spoke
through Balaam’s donkey (Num. 22:21-30).
c. God judged a snake in this case (v. 14).[186]
2. It was Satan himself described here... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 40 https://net.bible.org/?ref=nbt#!bible/Genesis+3
Who was the tempter? Among evangelicals there are two major views regarding
the identity of the serpent.
1. It was a literal snake.
a. Moses called it a beast of the field (v. 1).
b. Though snakes do not speak, Satan could have spoken through a snake. He
did this through demoniacs in Jesus’ day. Also, a spirit being spoke
through Balaam’s donkey (Num. 22:21-30).
c. God judged a snake in this case (v. 14).[186]
2. It was Satan himself described here... 阅读全帖 |
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J*******g
发帖数: 8775 | 41 如果一个人已经下定决心传道，那么他显然应该已经相信自己所传的福音。如果已经接
受了福音，那么这个人就该可以去天堂。
那么你说的拣选就不是romans 8中的拣选(predestined/called)。
29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image
of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also
justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
你说的相当于是一个universial calling.人的选择最终决定了人是否能去天堂。 |
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 42 保罗是基督教第一个神学家，对基督教神学有精辟的论述，但我们读的时候最好能配合
旧约和福音书一起理解。我说的拣选与保罗说的没有不一样，也符合神对诺亚的拣选，
对亚伯拉罕的拣选，对以色列的拣选，对基督徒的拣选。
在说自由意志之前先讲一下天堂，现在教会里教的天堂有世俗化的倾向，比较好的教导
是说天堂就是与神同在，而地狱就是与神隔绝。这一点上我比较同意古老的东正教的理
解，他们认为神在天堂也在地狱，天堂和地狱不是不同的地方，天堂和地狱是信神和不
信神的人对神的圣洁的反应。但我更同意一些早期教父（特别是奥利金）的观点，既然
神也在地狱，并且人已经可以认识神，那么人终究会悔改，与神和解，即所谓：
Apocatastasis。这是因为：“若因一人的過犯，眾人都死了，何況神的恩典，與那因
耶穌基督一人恩典中的賞賜，豈不更加倍的臨到眾人麼？” 神最初的创造是好的，最
后的救赎也必定是好的。天堂是每一个人的终点，自然也是被拣选人的终点。
拣选的意义在于：“我必賜福給你，叫你的名為大；你也要叫別人得福。為你祝福的，
我必賜福與他；那咒詛你的，我必咒詛他。地上的萬族都要因你得福。”
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发帖数: 2940 | 43 Eastern Orthodox New Testament renders 2nd Thess. as:
"They will face the penalty of eternal destruction from the face of the Lord
and from the glory of his power,"
"上帝跟亚伯拉罕说的话。不见得适用于所有基督徒啊。"
“是要作你和你後裔的神。”神和亚伯拉罕立的约对他的后代都有效，基督徒在精神上
是亚伯拉罕的后裔。
“不知道你说的坚定他们的信心，算不算用权能改造他们？”
以色列人经历同样的神迹，他们有不同的选择。我也可以相信如果不是亚伯拉罕和撒拉
，对神赐的儿子也会有不同的反应，不同的反应出于他们的自由。
“如果只看这句话，那么被神选的人，神必然会让他一直到glorified”
所以圣经不能只看一句话，如果只看这一句话，那么它在圣经历史上和现实中都不成立
。当然仍然可以说失落的羊不是真正被拣选的，但比较牵强。从亚当下来的后裔，神一
直在拣选，人一直在分化（从拣选的人群中），现实中的基督徒也是这样的。神的应许
不应该理解成神的... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 44 如果一个人已经下定决心传道，那么他显然应该已经相信自己所传的福音。如果已经接
受了福音，那么这个人就该可以去天堂。
那么你说的拣选就不是romans 8中的拣选(predestined/called)。
29 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image
of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
30 And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also
justified; those he justified, he also glorified.
你说的相当于是一个universial calling.人的选择最终决定了人是否能去天堂。 |
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发帖数: 2940 | 45 保罗是基督教第一个神学家，对基督教神学有精辟的论述，但我们读的时候最好能配合
旧约和福音书一起理解。我说的拣选与保罗说的没有不一样，也符合神对诺亚的拣选，
对亚伯拉罕的拣选，对以色列的拣选，对基督徒的拣选。
在说自由意志之前先讲一下天堂，现在教会里教的天堂有世俗化的倾向，比较好的教导
是说天堂就是与神同在，而地狱就是与神隔绝。这一点上我比较同意古老的东正教的理
解，他们认为神在天堂也在地狱，天堂和地狱不是不同的地方，天堂和地狱是信神和不
信神的人对神的圣洁的反应。但我更同意一些早期教父（特别是奥利金）的观点，既然
神也在地狱，并且人已经可以认识神，那么人终究会悔改，与神和解，即所谓：
Apocatastasis。这是因为：“若因一人的過犯，眾人都死了，何況神的恩典，與那因
耶穌基督一人恩典中的賞賜，豈不更加倍的臨到眾人麼？” 神最初的创造是好的，最
后的救赎也必定是好的。天堂是每一个人的终点，自然也是被拣选人的终点。
拣选的意义在于：“我必賜福給你，叫你的名為大；你也要叫別人得福。為你祝福的，
我必賜福與他；那咒詛你的，我必咒詛他。地上的萬族都要因你得福。”
这就我们需要：Gen 17... 阅读全帖 |
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t*******r
发帖数: 2940 | 46 Eastern Orthodox New Testament renders 2nd Thess. as:
"They will face the penalty of eternal destruction from the face of the Lord
and from the glory of his power,"
"上帝跟亚伯拉罕说的话。不见得适用于所有基督徒啊。"
“是要作你和你後裔的神。”神和亚伯拉罕立的约对他的后代都有效，基督徒在精神上
是亚伯拉罕的后裔。
“不知道你说的坚定他们的信心，算不算用权能改造他们？”
以色列人经历同样的神迹，他们有不同的选择。我也可以相信如果不是亚伯拉罕和撒拉
，对神赐的儿子也会有不同的反应，不同的反应出于他们的自由。
“如果只看这句话，那么被神选的人，神必然会让他一直到glorified”
所以圣经不能只看一句话，如果只看这一句话，那么它在圣经历史上和现实中都不成立
。当然仍然可以说失落的羊不是真正被拣选的，但比较牵强。从亚当下来的后裔，神一
直在拣选，人一直在分化（从拣选的人群中），现实中的基督徒也是这样的。神的应许
不应该理解成神的... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1397 | 47 Category 1: Jesus’ hallucinations/visions/voices. The perhaps ―grandest‖
and most frequently sited hallucination (or if not a hallucination, we must
believe a true event) is the reference to what is reported when Jesus is
baptized in the Jordan River by John the Baptist. Matt. 3:16-17
tells us, ―And Jesus, when he was baptized, went straightway out of the
water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of
God descending like a dove, and lighted upon him: And, lo, a voice ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 48 但是圣经中说上帝会派圣灵帮助使徒
John 15
26 “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is
the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,
27 and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the
beginning.
很多信徒不光是耶稣的门徒都得到了圣灵的洗礼：
Acts 10
44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all
who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter
were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been pou... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 8775 | 49 文中的这句话说的不是这个意思。圣灵不做不代表不能做。圣灵做时，不代表我们现在
看得到。这些都要看神的意愿。
圣经中说被神拣选的人必会完美，得荣耀。
Romans 8
28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love
him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29 For those God
foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that
he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. 30 And those he
predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he
justified, he also glorified.
但是具体什么时候，这是有争论的。
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发帖数: 8336 | 50 第六章 无条件拣选
据说预定论环环相扣，逻辑性很强。郁金香的第二点“神的无条件的拣选”就是建立在
第一点“人的全然败坏”的基础之上的。我同意人是全然败坏的，但是却扣不上神要无
条件拣选。根据圣经人背离了神，离开了他生命的根，离开了美善的源头，他的思想、
意念和意志各个层面都受到的罪性的污染。人被罪捆绑，不能主动寻求神，也不能了解
神的心意。所以，各人偏行己路（赛53:6）。但是，我们的分歧是当神来找人的时候，
人可不可以有正确的回应？正方没有试图证明这一点，他们直接从“全然败坏”推出人
不可能选择归向神，自然那些信的人应该是上帝在创世以前就预定好了。然后在他们的
生命中某一时刻亲自出手让他“活过来”，不然不会有人信神的。所以，正方没有举出
合适的圣经经文来支持这个逻辑上的大跳跃。正方证明了人不会主动寻找神，但是他们
没有证明当神来找人的时候人不能回应神悔改的呼召。如果丝丝相扣的话，那这里已经
出现了问题。他们关于“死人”和“活过来”的说法在逻辑上并不是严谨。关于这一点
可以参见第四和第五章。由一个没有充分证明的根据出发推出的结论我们应该更加小心。
一、正方关于无条件拣选的叙述
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