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k****r
发帖数: 9629
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呵呵,这样的小CEO满地都是,
谁能出书?要不是前面的东西有人看有人买?
d**s
发帖数: 1255
2
更正一下
大妈说的是2个世界的生活
最多只能说在米蒂一半的主要经历可能没问题
p******e
发帖数: 897
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中国背景这样的CEO满地都是?
有人想出名,有人要发财。
CEO们也是人各有志
r*****2
发帖数: 2682
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十几年的小公司才100来人,最近几年连REVENUE都不敢报,就靠忽悠来骗人买这个公司。
如果没有中国的出奇经历,谁看她的书?
k****r
发帖数: 9629
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所以说她的中国北京是假的阿.呵呵.
f****e
发帖数: 24964
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这个不是卖点,受苦受难的水分才是卖点,没得bend了
w*********r
发帖数: 42116
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根据老将的理论和实践,只能说
1. 在米蒂一半的主要经历的问题没有暴露。
2. 在米蒂一半的主要经历的问题被政府掩盖了。
h****n
发帖数: 2552
U***5
发帖数: 2796
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就嫉妒她长那个寒骖大饼脸?我认识的人里还真长不出来,
再说,混得比她牛的华人很多吧。
p******e
发帖数: 897
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比她受过苦的人多了去了。没有她现在的CEO什么的,她也没机会出书
p******e
发帖数: 897
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文革经历有问题,不等于中国背景是假的
k****r
发帖数: 9629
12
美国的道德标准很低么?
b****i
发帖数: 256
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论坛里很多红卫兵和网络文革打手或中共富二代贪三代,特别是一些极端的方鞋教流氓
集团成员。一本个人回忆录而已,被大家用自己的经历曲解。为何傅苹的经历必须跟你
们一样呢?不可理喻!
n*****3
发帖数: 94
O*******d
发帖数: 20343
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她撒一个谎,需要100个谎来圆。 她现在拼命把她装扮成一个受害者。 美国人爱听她
编的灰姑娘故事。
j*********s
发帖数: 158
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http://fangzhouzi.t.sohu.com
"英国《卫报》新发了一篇调查傅苹的报道http://t.itc.cn/UM7QH ,采访了一些专家,揭穿了傅苹的一些谎言,并要求傅苹做解释,傅苹只能又改变说辞了,说她口误了之类的了,并承认不该说别人抹黑她。向《卫报》致敬。加上法新社今天也发了报道。看来欧洲开始包围美国了
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英国的媒体人用实际行动来告诉世界他们比美国的同行更有职业道德和职业素养。
为了保证权威性,对不同的谎言采访了不同领域的专家。研究孙中山的专家Prof John
Wong of the University of Sydney、研究文化大革命的专家、Michel Bonnin of
Tsinghua University and Prof Yin Hongbiao of Beijing University、研究中国现
代文学的专家Perry Link, at the University of California at Riverside、傅苹的
同学Yinghong Cheng, 现在是 Delaware state univer... 阅读全帖
T**********e
发帖数: 29576
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八马的白女朋友前一阵出来说,八马自传里和她经历的种族激辩和各个心潮澎湃的情节
都是编的。
结果八马亮出自传出版的一个fine print,说书里人物可能是composite figure,八马
可以把经历过的事情汇集到一个人身上写,所以O8仍然伟大光荣正确。
傅萍应该再版时加上这么一条小字,书里自己的经历可以是身边人的或是中国人可能受
到的迫害,in President Obama's style。
Obama: 'New York girlfriend' was composite
By DYLAN BYERS |
5/2/12 12:08 PM EDT
Editors’ Note: The original version of this post inaccurately stated that
Barack Obama had not revealed creating composite characters in his book, “
Dreams from My Father.” An update to the post was added that Obama h... 阅读全帖
w*p
发帖数: 16484
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来自主题: Military版 - Fake memoirs 造假被抓的真有不少
傅萍终于为海外华人填补了一项空白
n*****3
发帖数: 94
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来自主题: Military版 - Fake memoirs 造假被抓的真有不少
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s**********w
发帖数: 866
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里面的讨论说这个可能是FP指示干的
H. Chen says:
On twitter:
Meg Withgott þ@megwith
What can we do to counter the coordinated attack on Amazon against Ping Fu's
remarkable book? c @pfugeomagic http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/04/ping-fu-defends-bend-not-break-memoir-against-online-chinese-attack.html ...
View summary
Feb 15 ping Fu þ@pfugeomagic
@megwith report abuse on amazon
====================
Meg Withgott wrote "What can we do to counter the coordinated attack on
Amazon against Ping F... 阅读全帖
m**i
发帖数: 9848
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这种对细节的质疑其实没什么质量,傅萍一句话“我这是memoir”就轻轻打发掉了。
b********n
发帖数: 38600
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In reply to an earlier post on Feb 17, 2013 8:32:15 PM PST
charles says:
3 ways To get to the bottom of the truth:
1. Contact all the media you can find, to mobilize them to hunt down Ping Fu
. All the good journalists are hunting for this kind of news.
2. Contact the Republican Senator in your state to tell them that a liar (or
even a felony) is on President Obama's Advisory Board, ask them to look
into this or ask them to request FBI to look into this;
3. Directly contact FBI, ask them to carr... 阅读全帖
b********n
发帖数: 38600
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A Memoir Dividing Two Worlds, February 16, 2013
By Lenny - See all my reviewsThis review is from: Bend, Not Break: A Life in
Two Worlds (Hardcover)
Conversation between a 1-star reviewer and a 5-star reviewer on "Bend, Not
Break: A Life in Two Worlds" by Ping Fu and Meimei Fox.
1-star: Some of Ping Fu's stories told in her book don't seem to be true.
5-star: It is a very inspiring book!
1-star: Some of Ping Fu's stories are not true and my doubts are supported
by the evidence provided by many re... 阅读全帖
s**********w
发帖数: 866
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Q: Did you expect Chinese nationalists to attack your credibility?
This caught me totally by surprise. I thought maybe there would be some
negative grumblings, but I never expected anything like this.
Q: How do you explain the intensity of the attacks against you?
Forbes did an interview with me, and Forbes translated that interview in
Chinese. The translation had some errors in there. … But what really
happened is the Forbes article comes one day after The New York Times broke
the story about t... 阅读全帖
s**i
发帖数: 4448
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A shameless women who has succeed in business. The book does full of lies.
She lied many times in media. People have a reason to look down on her.
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Melissa M
People can have memory problem on some details that happened 20-40 years ago
, but it is... 阅读全帖
C*********l
发帖数: 10248
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我转的,麻烦你回到梦版去
楼主不一定来这里
【 以下文字转载自 Dreamer 讨论区 】
发信人: Dreamer (不要问我从哪里来), 信区: Dreamer
标 题: 求一封关于Fu Ping自传书不真实的英文说明,学校要拿它来做普及阅读范本
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 5 11:15:39 2013, 美东)
学校正在全校收集意见,选取2013学年新生的普及阅读材料,其中Fu Ping的英文自传
《《Bend, Not Break》是首选。校方介绍这本书是“This memoir tells the story
of a Chinese woman’s harrowing girlhood during China’s cultural revolution
and her remarkable journey to becoming a successful entrepreneur in the
United States. It is a remarkable story of resilience, full of dramatic
incid... 阅读全帖
S*******n
发帖数: 1721
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当年李文和的事情,也是非常地狗血。
In his memoir, My Country Versus Me, Lee charged that his Chinese ethnicity
was a primary factor behind his prosecution by the government. As evidence
of such racial profiling, he cited cases of several scientists of non-
Chinese ancestry who were responsible for similar security transgressions
but were able to continue their career. Former FBI Director Louis Freeh
categorically denied these charges. After Mr. Lee’s sentencing,
investigators at LANL were able to fully examine t... 阅读全帖
I********l
发帖数: 8702
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下面这段话摘自佩里·安德森(UCLA)对79年投名状的评论,你怎么看?
How is this zenith of Sino-American collaboration, as Kissinger repeatedly
calls it, to be judged? Militarily, it was a fiasco. Deng threw 11 Chinese
armies or 450,000 troops, the size of the force that routed the US on the
Yalu in 1950, against Vietnam, a country with a population a twentieth that
of China. As the chief military historian of the campaign, Edward O’Dowd,
has noted, ‘in the Korean War a similar-sized PLA force had moved further
in 24 hours agai... 阅读全帖
d**e
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这是主帖提到的第一份官方声明英文版
http://eng.suda.edu.cn/article/20130612114559585.shtml
Official Statement on the Deceptive Behavior of Ping Fu, a Former Student of
Soochow University
Recently, many of our alumni at home and abroad have contacted us regarding
the validity of the book, Bend, Not Break: A Life in Two Worlds. They claim
that some stories in the book are outright falsehoods. These falsehoods have
given both our school and country a poor reputation and caused our alumni
and friends to feel deeply i... 阅读全帖
k********k
发帖数: 5617
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来自主题: Military版 - 越南大将武元甲去世 享年102岁
http://news.yahoo.com/legendary-vietnam-gen-vo-nguyen-giap-dies
Vo Nguyen Giap dies -- Legendary Vietnam Geneneral
MARGIE MASON and CHRIS BRUMMITT45 minutes ago
HANOI, Vietnam (AP) — Vo Nguyen Giap, the brilliant and ruthless self-
taught general who drove the French out of Vietnam to free it from colonial
rule and later forced the Americans to abandon their grueling effort to save
the country from communism, has died. At age 102, he was the last of
Vietnam's old-guard revolutionaries.
Giap died... 阅读全帖
o*******n
发帖数: 407
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来自主题: Military版 - Soochow University Statement
Soochow University Statement
July 21, 2013
Pursuant to our second Official Statement, and in view of the fact that Ms
Ping Fu, staying indifferent to our kind advice for her not to attend the
2013 ALA Annual Conference, offered as Auditorium Speaker falsified
explanations about fraudulent accounts as recorded in her memoir Bend, Not
Break, Soochow University publishes herewith our open letter to Ping Fu,
followed with some of the evidence from the university archives(See the
attached).
Attachmen... 阅读全帖
g******t
发帖数: 18158
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来自主题: Military版 - 卡拉什尼科夫和AK-47的那些事

Mihail Kalasnikov is admitting he was "helped" by the German inventor and
arms maker Hugo Schmeisser to create the AK-47 assault rifle
-- The German inventor developed the first assault weapon Sturmgewehr 44
during WWII. After the end of the war Schmeisser was displaced and forced to
work in the Soviet Union
Sturmgewehr 44 and AK-47
February 17 16:09
Famous Soviet arms builder Mihail Kalasnikov recently acknowledged he didn't
worked alone at the design and development of the AK-47 assault rifle... 阅读全帖
b*****d
发帖数: 61690
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来自主题: Military版 - 呵呵:所有的功劳都是巴马的
巴马总统是个奇葩.
“The controlling nature of the Obama White House, and its determination to
take credit for every good thing that happened while giving none to the
career folks in the trenches who had actually done the work, offended
Secretary Clinton as much as it did me,” Gates writes in an piece published
by the Wall Street Journal.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/robert-gates-memoir-hillary-clinton-101858.html#ixzz2pm2L7XHU
s**p
发帖数: 275
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转一个在抗议ABC行动中的英雄人物,李春燕博士通过【微动博】网站 (weidb. com),
亲自发表对这个连续剧的看法:
标题:在主流媒体看亚裔连续剧?FOB会自毁形象吗?
昨天转了大手笔Swan 的消息:“请大家到Entertainment Weekly的网站上投票,在那
些录像之后就是,把Fresh的票数顶上去。现在是第三名。”
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/13/abc-fall-tv-clips/
今天一看已经是第二了。大家再接再厉啊。就是我这个一向不愿提及“融入”“主流”
的人,也要说,在主流媒体看亚裔连续剧不是很好吗?看ABC的line up以及promotion
都提到diversity。我们不应只是被媒体利用和其他族裔掐架的“model minority",而
是要建立自己在这社会的形象,那么喜剧就是很好的入口。下面很多链接与大家分享。
也可以买来Eddie Huang的这本书和孩子们阅读讨论(据说已脱销,链接有节选)。
把投票拱到第一,让媒体看看市场?
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/05/13/abc-fal... 阅读全帖
l*****9
发帖数: 9501
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来自主题: Military版 - 天安門事件的最後一幕
天安門事件的最後一幕
吳仁華
1997年7月
頁次: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |  上一頁
在侯德健等人的影響下,面對嚴峻的局勢,學生領袖們堅守不撤的決心似乎有所動
搖,他們難以承擔數以千計學生安危的重責,最終決定在場學生立刻用口頭表決方式決
定是堅守還是撤離。廣場副總指揮封從德在廣播中解釋說,在目前危急情景下,我們已
經不可能召開緊急會議討論決定,只能採用最簡單的口頭表決方式,具體做法是,我在
廣播中喊叫一、二、三後,主張撤離的同學就喊“撤離”兩字,主張堅守的同學就喊“
堅守”兩字,少數服從多數,以聲音的強弱來決定。口頭表決的結果是堅守的聲音遠遠
越過撤離的呼聲【異】,在紀念碑北側幾乎就聽不到撤離的聲音,學生們還對眼前的軍
人做著V字形手勢,情緒高漲。然而,學生領袖們還是傾向於撤離。 (64memo.com -
2004)
正當學生領袖們準備具體布置實施撤退行動之時,軍人鳴槍沖上紀念碑底座,因而
使侯德健等人力圖促使學生和平撤離廣場的良好願望成為泡影。
凌晨四時四十分許,在紀念碑北側,一支人數約四十人左右的軍隊突擊隊沖入學生
隊伍。他們身穿迷彩服,端著衝鋒槍,緊貼著紀念碑... 阅读全帖
d****i
发帖数: 2048
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开枪时间︰
“6月3日23时10分,有个穿便衣的人说什么也要见我,说有重要指示传达。我见了他,
他掏出工作证,是某领导机关的副部长,来传达上级首长指示,命令部 队当晚一定要
到达指定位置。必要时可以果断处置。他刚传达完,军区前指也来指示,通报了万寿路
戒严部队(即38军)鸣枪示警驱散人群、迅速开进的情况。这 使我意识到事态已相当
严重,显然不对空呜枪部队很难突围开进,于是我们决定︰第一,坚决执行上级首长命
令,采取对空鸣枪驱散围阻人群的坚决措施,组织部队 突围,保证在4日4时前全部到
位。”(Memoir Tiananmen-1989)
---40军少将军长吴家民《再度京华》《戒严一日》(精选本)
军人死亡时间︰
王其富、李强、李栋国、杜怀庆、徐如军、王小兵︰
“这时,我瞅了一下表,还差5分钟零点。车就要从路口向右拐弯了。
我觉得车在向左倾斜,并且斜得很急。是不是离心力太大?但车速又不快。还没等
我反应过来,车已经向左翻倒了。
与车翻倒的同时,我看到象蓝球一样大的火球从我的对面8、9米处飞了过来,直冲
车厢的下侧。顿时,火球引燃了车厢尾部。我们10名战士全被车上的防暴 器材砸在车
里。... 阅读全帖
T**********e
发帖数: 29576
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女助理像是个烙印姐,不是都说三姐不外F吗?
Fans Wait Hours to See Hillary Clinton at Book Signing
Andre Morales, a 36-year-old from Brooklyn, arrived before 3 a.m. Tuesday
and planned to ask Hillary Rodham Clinton how it felt to work for President
Obama after he had defeated her in the 2008 Democratic primary.
Donna Gabriel, a 65-year-old retiree, said she wanted to be the first one in
line on Monday afternoon. Jacquelyn Corsentino, 21, a college student, is
writing her senior thesis on why Mrs. Clinton would make a... 阅读全帖
z****0
发帖数: 3942
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该文章很长,这里提供一个英文摘要和部分引文。
Ed. Note: Wesley Yang's piece, "Paper Tigers", presents fascinating insight
into the lives of Asian-Americans faced with life and career disappointment
after the diplomas, along with ways Asian-Americans are changing the game
to avoid these pitfalls, stemming from their values, upbringing, and
cultural norms. The take-aways are many, and we've selected only a few to
highlight in this venue. It's a recommended read in its entirety to
appreciate the full context and nuan... 阅读全帖
o******r
发帖数: 1378
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這個不是隱私吧? 美國很多人的memoir成為暢銷書。 不過好像有些人名改了。但是很
容易找到原型。
D*******o
发帖数: 3229
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最近在读一本书“Lonely Soldier: The Memoir of an American in the Israeli
Army”。是一个美国犹太人讲述自己在以色列伞兵部队服役的经历。里面提到伞兵最后
的考核项目是全副武装从特拉维夫行军到耶路撒冷,全程90公里,中间没有宿营。迫击
炮兵要背着迫击炮走前30公里,然后把炮卸下来继续完成下面的60公里。不禁感慨红军
的光荣传统被犹太人继承了。
b*****d
发帖数: 61690
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美国前防长、中情局局长帕内塔(Leon Panetta)在其新书《值得奋战:领导战争与和
平的回忆录》(Worth fighting: Leadership war memoirs and peace)中披露了一段
他担任防长期间访问北京时的趣事。对于中国用茅台招待外国贵宾这一老规矩,帕内塔
想方设法逃避,在一次解放军宴席上暗自以水代酒。
帕内塔在书中谈到自己先后以CIA局长和国防部长访华时的感觉:(中方讲话)五味杂
陈,令人迷糊,夸夸其谈且又直言不讳,有戒心但又很热情。他说,中美高层官员的会
晤常常都是照本宣科,比如中国一贯地斥责美国对台湾的支持,美国则非常礼貌地插入
人权话题;中国为了经济增长要求加大市场准入,美国则抱怨中方侵犯知识产权以及源
自中国的网络攻击。表面双方都很友善,心照不宣,都避免彼此施压过大。
帕内塔担任防长期间首次访华会晤习近平
2012年,在会晤时任中国国家副主席习近平时,帕内塔写道:“会晤前习近平已经好几
周未露面,媒体都猜测他可能患病。一些人都想知道他是否会取消同我的会晤,但是,
令很多观察人士诧异的是,他最终在人民大会堂神采奕奕地问候了我。他摒弃了照本宣
... 阅读全帖
b********n
发帖数: 38600
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来自主题: Military版 - 纽约时报开始打日本的脸了
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/15/opinion/comfort-women-and-jap
The Comfort Women and Japan’s War on Truth
By MINDY KOTLERNOV. 14, 2014
WASHINGTON — In 1942, a lieutenant paymaster in Japan’s Imperial Navy
named Yasuhiro Nakasone was stationed at Balikpapan on the island of Borneo,
assigned to oversee the construction of an airfield. But he found that
sexual misconduct, gambling and fighting were so prevalent among his men
that the work was stalled.
Lieutenant Nakasone’s solution was to organize... 阅读全帖
t***o
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作者:Robert Foyle Hunwick
翻译:方舟子
原文
北京,中国——你是否知道在美国,工人辛苦所得低到一小时3~5美元?而靠这点
收入很难生存,因为“路边小店一顿饭每人要花20~40美元”。
这些奇怪而错误的说法只是周小平写的《梦碎美利坚》一文中很多这种说法的一部
分。这个月,在“文艺座谈会”上中国国家主席习近平把此人(连同其同行博客写手花
千芳)特地挑出来表扬之后,这个33岁的博客写手已成为北京官方最推崇的人。习主席
表扬这两个人的作品拥有“正能量”。
周被证明了是一个特别有争议的选择。
他最著名的文章之一,题为《美国对华文化冷战的九大绝招》,是一篇反美文章,
声称好莱坞是美国破坏中国的阴谋的一部分,并把美国人对待中国人的态度比做希特勒
对待犹太人。
实际上,自从上世纪90年代末像《活佛》《红色角落》这样的电影产生争议以来,
好莱坞很担心会由于批评中国而失去一个巨大的市场。恰恰相反:2014年的大片《变形
金刚4》是一部自大、饱受批评的续集,因为赤裸裸地推销中国品牌和迎合中国人的感
情而受到冷嘲热讽。
但是在习讲话之后,与周争论事实真相已变成了政治反抗行为——不管你多么... 阅读全帖
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/29/us/charles-h-townes-physicist
Charles H. Townes, a visionary physicist whose research led to the
development of the laser, making it possible to play CDs, scan prices at the
supermarket, measure time precisely, survey planets and galaxies and even
witness the birth of stars, died on Tuesday in Oakland, Calif. He was 99.
His daughter Linda Rosenwein confirmed his death.
In 1964, Dr. Townes and two Russians shared the Nobel Prize in Physics for
their work on micro... 阅读全帖
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润涛阎在他的长文《缅怀林彪,悼念张春桥》一文中(2005年5月19日18:24:43 发表
在《天下论坛》,有这样一段绘声绘色的描写:
“据尼克松回忆,毛泽东见到他时问他要不要玩玩中国女人。尼克松以为毛是在开玩笑
。当毛泽东看到尼克松表情尴尬时便解释说,中国女人太多了他玩不过来。这些女人只
知道生孩子,中国人口太多了(见《尼克松回忆录》)。毛泽东把中国女人当成他的玩物
,自己玩不完就把她们送给美国人去开心。他以为身体健壮的尼克松比他能玩,便答应
送给尼克松一千万女人让他去玩弄。”
看到这样的信息(只提供一本书名,确没有具体引用全文,也不注明哪一页), 我向
作者提出了下面的问题并作了简要的评论:
“请教楼主,能否提供确切信息。有关毛泽东对尼克松谈中国女人的那一段
1。书的英文原名是什么?
2。那一家出版社出版的?
3。在哪一年,哪个地方(城市名)出版的?
4。你谈及的那一段是在哪一页上?
N 天过去了,没有见润涛阎给出任何回答。到google 里打进“毛泽东, 尼克松,女人
”时发现与此最直接相关的只有“天下论坛”的润涛阎的这一篇。另外一篇有一点关联
的文章出自大纪元, 作者:马飞亚,... 阅读全帖
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-coming-chinese-crack-up-1425659
The Coming Chinese Crackup
By
David Shambaugh
March 6, 2015 11:26 a.m. ET
The endgame of communist rule in China has begun, and Xi Jinping's ruthless
measures are only bringing the country closer to a breaking point
Chinese President Xi Jinping, front center, and other Chinese leaders attend
the opening meeting on Thursday of the third session of the National People
's Congress at the Great Hall of the People in Beijing. Photo: Xinh... 阅读全帖
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看到好多人分享了这篇东西,阴谋论的味道很浓,但貌似还是有不少民众买账。将军们
来鉴定下?
Hillary, Wal-Mart And The Red Chinese Secret Police - How The Clinton's
Helped China Conquer America
http://allnewspipeline.com/Hillary_Wal_Mart_Red_Chinese_Secret_
"To understand Wal-Mart, you have to have a handle on Arkansas. And to
figure out Arkansas, you have to be knowledgeable about the Rockefellers.
And to fathom the Red Chinese Secret Police, you have to know a lot about
the richest family in the world." Sherman Skolnick
By Stefan Stanford -... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Military版 - 李光耀论朝鲜战争
on which page of lee kuan yew's memoir?
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Associated Press, By BRETT ZONGKER August 13, 2015 7:43 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Since the days when George Washington was enamored with
Sally Fairfax, presidents have contended with rumors of extramarital affairs
, but without proof, the shadow of a doubt has worked in their favor.
Then along came DNA testing. DNA testing all but confirmed Thomas Jefferson
slept with his slave Sally Hemings. Now genetic analysis has proved that
President Warren G. Harding fathered a child with long-rumored mistres... 阅读全帖
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http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB111937345541365397
A decade ago, the Department of Defense corrected an important point in U.S.
military history: about 36,000 American soldiers died in the Korean War,
not 54,000 as first thought. The revision was the result of new research,
conducted at the request of veterans.
Yet as the 55th anniversary of the war's beginning approaches, the larger,
incorrect figure can still be found in textbooks and newspapers, in recent
speeches from lawmakers and on war memo... 阅读全帖
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