A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 1 just check wiki for the course
here is the scorecard:
Hole Name Yardage Par
1 Ailsa Craig 354 4
2 Mak Siccar 428 4
3 Blaw Wearie 489 4
4 Woe-Be-Tide 166 3
5 Fin Me Oot 474 4
6 Tappie Toorie 231 3
7 Roon The Ben 538 5
8 Goat Fell 454 4
9 Bruce's Castle 449 4
10 Dinna Fouter 456 4
11 Maidens 175 3
12 Monument 451 4
13 Tickly Tap 410 4
14 Risk-An-Hope 448 4
15 Ca' Canny 206 3
16 Wee Burn 455 4
17 Lang Whang 559 5
18 Duel in the Sun 461 4
Out 3583 35 In 3621 35
Total 7204 70
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 2 Course score card revisit
there are 9 par4 holes with length over 450, that is half of the venue
3 Blaw Wearie 489 4
5 Fin Me Oot 474 4
8 Goat Fell 454 4
9 Bruce's Castle 449 4
10 Dinna Fouter 456 4
12 Monument 451 4
14 Risk-An-Hope 448 4
16 Wee Burn 455 4
18 Duel in the Sun 461 4
See who fell into the pitfall
Tiger: bogey 3, 10, 16
3 of 4 his bogey are from that 9
Nick Faldo: bogey 3, 10, 12, 14, 16
5 of 7 his bogey are from that 9
Liang: bogey 8, 9, 10, 12, 14, 16
6 of 7 his bogey are from th |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 3 我一贯的原则:
知名度高的，卖得贵的，年代新的
全部试一遍
因为记分比较严格所以铁杆开球还好点?
why?
400 par4, driver + 6/7 iron + penalty = 3i + 3i + wedge
180 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 4 450 yard par4 is even tough for pros, watched several holes played by tiger
woods, westwood and japan teen, tiger play very conservative, japan teen
tee shot was 50-60 yards ahead of tiger and westwood, both of them bogeyed
while japan tee par'ed.
without so many people and tour staff, pro going to lose more balls and
score higher.
seems that the difficulty of the course lie in:
very uneven terrain, slope there and here all over place, the deep and small
bunker very tough, deep and mess rough |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 5 hazeltine is crazy difficult course
play golf at this course is like play world series of poker, lucky guy get
win...
about half par4 over 450
half par5 over 600
one par3 248, only 2 par 3 shorter than 200
these yardage should be very accurage, not like local muni, you can play 10-
20 yards shorter than yardage sign...
water hazards, tree, bending fairway, bunkers, uneven terrain... you name it
http://www.hngc.com/TheCourse.aspx |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 6 looks like you had a good play there...
seems like a fun course, the web site even provides play guide.
if get comfortable with 200 par 3, then think of that play second shot at
400+ par4. it's still tougher since no tee up at fairway, have to have a
good drive 230+ to have an easier approach(170, could be shorter than 170
yard since fairway bends if you take straight line shot path), for making
par or better(forget birdie for me)...
course. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 7 你们说现在PROS打起来是不是都是DRIVER+SHORT IRON
基本上最近电视的转播我看到的都是
par5, driver + 3/5wood, 2 on, if not 2 on, pitch or chip would get on green
par4, driver (300+) + short iron (<170)
i rarely see any pros use long iron, except some long par3.
at least, i rarely see tiger use 6 iron or 5 iron, not to mention 3 or 4 (
only few times on the par3)
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t****i
发帖数: 904 | 8 赞！
这个俺只有在顺风/下坡的时候可以做到，否则最远的一次是295吗的par4. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 9 上次打了一回SKIN，有两高手，还有一个比我稍差的
决定让球的时候，比我稍差的9洞要了4个HANDI，就是按场上给的HANDI，最难的8个洞
各让一杆
可能是我的EGO，我没要让球
一场打下来，我输了，
我看了看最难的4个洞, (本来打算让4洞), 我赢的和我输的
赢的是HANDI 1的PAR5，和HANDI4的PAR4，HANDI2的大家PUSH了，HANDI3的我+2，我输了
所以就算他们让我球，我也一点没占多大便宜
但是不让，我肯定是输，我该怎样让他们让球呢 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 10 昨天在summitpointe的一场，整体感觉还不错，结果被HANDI-INDEX 17，18的两个
PAR3搞了两个+3, 搞得整场下来par4, avg 5, par5 avg 5, par3 avg 还是 5.
一个154顺风，打过了，一个122打短了, 难度大一点的那个199 PAR3好不容易LAND
ON GREEN，结果搞了一个3PUTTS
版上有没有PAR3很牛的，分享分享经验 |
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q******3
发帖数: 622 | 11 aff是老虎的风格。Par3不怎么样，都是靠par4，par5捞回来的。
打par3，还有什么讲究，就是一干上green。哈哈。 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 12 讲讲有什么高招?
我自己觉得也没有什么COURSE MANAGEMENT的，但是总觉得PAR3 TEE OFF的时候，打
得好坏是非常偶然的，不像PAR4 PAR5打坏第一杆TEE还可以用APPROACH找回来 |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 13 yes, i agree chipping is very important for par3 to save up and down, but i
feel the greenside rough around par3 green are harder than other par4/par5
greenside rough.
and within 20, 30 yards, judging the shot distance on how far the chipping
can go is very difficult. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 14 i used my hybrid on 183 #5 (handcap index 7), it was down wind, over shot,
one chip back on green, but the green was sick, and roll the ball all the
way to the edge, lucky i got 2 putts, which i was expecting another 3 putts.
otherwise it would be another 5 strokes on par3.
yes, summitpointe par4/par5 are not very long. the best shot of the day for
me was attacking #14 488Y par5, after 270 downwind drive, my 3woods landed
on green and roll out of green. it was first time for me 2 shots over the |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 15 now you have no problem with 450- 500 par4 frequently seen at pro-play
setups...
funny that over shoot green is deemed as "good shot" by another golfer, i
also count over shoot green as "good shot" . if that's the way to miss green
, will take it anytime... |
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j*****j
发帖数: 290 | 16 I think the key is swing Tempo on the Tee.
Unlikke par4 or par5 , which you can hit it litlle bit faster or slower, tee
par3 require you normal tempo as you practicing |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 17 looks like the president cup course setup will be very different.
and one of the 475 par5 will now be converted to par4.
hole# are changed too.
is it better to book a tee time after the cup?
Park |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 18 you went there? how did you play the back nine?
i still have scorecard at my desk, only one par4 only #10 is < 400yard. par3 is 20x and 220yard or so. but i guess disttance is not an issue for you
recall that most fairway turning, have to put ball in correct spots to have easier next shot.
not sure i sucked last time or it's harder than front nine. horrilble play last time at backnine. will go there for an revenge sometime later. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 19 i was writing post, didnt see that one.
backnine is ok la.
#11 fairway is turning dramatically, like 90 degree. i realized it after i
tee off, and walk along the fairway. prior knowledge of course would help
for #11, #14, #18.
the rest are just typical muni course par4.
par3 is 20x and 220yard or so. but i guess disttance is not an issue for
you
have easier next shot.
play last time at backnine. will go there for an revenge sometime later. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 20 called and booked a 4-some 2:50pm Saturday (twilight rate), currently Hzhu and
I are in. ANYBODY else?
i never played there either...
looking at the scorecard, compared to Boundary Oak, if Callippe makes all par3 200 and 3 short par4 (330-340) 30yards longer each,
then it could play to 7000yards.
it still has some long par 4, par3, par5.
i guess the layout could be more interesting, rather than be long each every hole...
went there for a demo once, a bit hilly, expect uneven fairway and slopy g |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 21 9-holes executive course often has 250-yard par4, usually fairway turn, or
bad grass condition and get a lot of roll. so play much shorther, 210 - 240
yard direct line distance, if downhill even make it shorter
it was a lot of fun play this kind hole, you always want to reach the green
in one shot...
if you are serious, play it as long par3, birdie at this kind of par3 is
not easy ah. even bogey i feel still good. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 22 tiger的par 3成绩是over par很多的，par4是比较持平par的，
par 5是远低于par的。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 23 more than 10 times. assume average course length = 6400yard, which is 3.6
miles.
my route is from course to range, first time play course without any range
practice or instruction except watch some DVD.
man, almost score every hole 8-13 on very shot course. even 290 par4 felt
so long... |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 24 yeah, for that 3 GIR, i was just feeling lucky to get on the green.
12th 190 par3
13th 415 dogleg left par4, my approach shot was 190
14th 563 par5, my third shot was the shot of day, behind the tree, from
rough, 155 to green.
none of them is easy, but 3 bogey seem unacceptable.
is
60feet
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 25 木哈 哈哈
bridges blue tee #12 par4
yes, the bridges: blue tee rating 73.5 slope 146.
driver + 40 yards 56 degree pitching
太开心了!
now i can really call bridges my home course.
Dec 15 2009. |
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n**h
发帖数: 154 | 26 It happened to my too when I used 56 or 60 wedge. I feel that it was because
my swing plane was too shallow, or I just totally used my hands to
manipulate the ball.
Try to swing deeper and to keep hands not too actively. Just my experience.
approaching
sho
par4
compoundi
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 27 400+ yard par4 free of yardage error or severe dogleg is always a headache
for non-pro...
blue line is pull slice for right hander, isn't it.
draw is the best solution in theory, the ball rolls to green direction after
landing.... just that most guys do not have that shot.
i will chose #1 option, and hope to hit the cart PATH as well... yeah ho....
right rough far off the corner is the miss i want to miss. seriouly if you hit drive very straight and know you carry distance, i think you can use |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 28 看来我跟你们正好相反，
我是前9差，后9好，自打场地以来还没有过前9比后9好的
往往，出错就是在不经意的时候
最近一场，第一个洞381 PAR4 SLIGHTLY DOGLEG LEFT，UPHILL，
保守开球，没用DRIVER，3WOOD 220，RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE，感觉很爽
APPROACH 165 UPHILL，TREAT AS 180，用4HYBRID，球很直，BUT 从GREEN
BOUNCE到GREENSIDE BUNKER
本来是很好TEE和不错的APPROACH，最后打成+3
BUNKER出到ROUGH，再切，4上，3PUTT
我的感觉是后9能吸取前9的教训, 后面的BUNKER就更AGRESSIVE一点 |
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 29 纪念一下:D
还没开始学driver,下场一律iron打,打的还成
以前是par3的par打出来过若干,但一遇到长场就必然+1起
今天头一次7iron*2+S,切完落点大概洞前2ft,一推搞定
真不容易啊:D |
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t*******5
发帖数: 300 | 30 原来是铁将军啊.牛的
建议driver和铁杆一个姿势.要不会折腾很久的
俺就是z turn n久然后决定改的.现在就很爽了.收获期了
driver 290不是carry是total distance.最主要就是你的腰腹和肩膀,俺现在尽量控制
手臂,打得直是关键.fairway上随你怎么整.要是球在小hill上,就很麻烦了.par 5 除外
,俺喜欢草长点的,wood打起来爽.当然下雨天除外 |
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p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 31 我前一阵子试过在driving range上学打driver,但状态总是很起伏,稳定性差
好的时候就能打到200+而且很直,差的话就是球压根起不来或者明显的右曲
所以后来索性先放下不练,准备把iron练到有一定稳定性后再来:) |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 32 it is called 400+ yards..
lol.. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 35 is that on the range or on the course.
if your 9 is about 140, and 8 is about 150-155, pretty much you can finish
your round without other iron's.
my experience: i practice and practice my irons, but in my course play, i
rarely rarely have chance to use my irons.
for 400 par4, 3 8iron would get your 3 on, and if you are lucky, your driver
pick up some slack, you can get 2 on.
keep in mind, the fast way to lower the score is to avoid big number. have a
solid iron within 150 is definitely great th |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 37 well, ET was using 275 as example. for your case, you might decide to carry water if the water is less than 275, what about 230? 240?
i bet you have play tons of short par4, which you might not need to carry 275.the more you play, the more you know your own stats and numbers.
it is hard to imagine every drive you have would be run along way on fairway, if so, your fairway hits would be very high. but you said you cant control the direction. that means you would constantly search your ball off th |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 38 这还是他们留了一手的距离吧, 用IRON还是主要追求精确度
"Here’s how far all the pros on the list hit their 7-iron.
Angel Cabrera – 185
Phil Mickelson – 183
Tiger Woods – 180
Camilo Villegas – 177"
qail hollow 340y par4, Angel tee off using iron, 40-50 yard left.
是有很多ROLL， 但是也至少有 ２４０－２６０ 的CARRY， 可能是３IRON
GOLF毕竟是项运动
这些都是世界级好手
会跟 那个 BOLT 或 刘翔比短跑吗？？ |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 39 100-110码一个典型的例子是jimmy clay的第5洞，这个从tips到果岭就是个105码的，不
过一般打得不是顺风（冬季），就是逆风（夏季）。除了特殊的时候（back pin)我用5
2度，一般我就是用58度，就是是逆风。
没有，我没de-loft. 我在练习场喜欢练一种deloft的击打法，跟pro学的，就是就是飞
得低，也能挺得快。主要做法还是在球上控制它的spin.
我用ping的wedges. ping的wedges shaft是不是长一点？我记得我还cleveland/titlei
st的apple vs apple比过。还是cleveland的长点。
我layup到58的机会不太多。但如果有，基本上就是它了。比如上周的一个roy kizer的
12洞，开了420码的par4, 球就在100码的红色mark出，果岭在前。我球过了果岭15feet
处。考虑到不是full swing, 100码应该是个比较正确的数据。
我的wedge不行。放70码之内的wedge play还不如给我放130码呢。可是我现在还经常把
自己放在这个awkward的地方 （这个距离，看pro |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 40 “做生意一定要同打球一样，若第一杆打得不好的话，在打第二杆时，心更要保持镇定
及有计划，这就并不是表示这个洞会输的。就好等同做人及做生意一样，有高有低，身
处逆境时，你先要镇定考虑如何应付。”
老头说得可真好!
好多次，我TEE的非常好的时候，两上PAR4，或者三上PAR5，等在GREEN上准备收钱，结
果一同打的高手也许TEE的不是很好，结果人家不紧不慢，一杆一杆RECOVER，最后非但
不输钱，要是我3PUTT了，反倒他们赢钱
而反过来，一旦我TEE的不好，基本上就是等着送钱了
"在打第二杆时，心更要保持镇定及有计划，这就并不是表示这个洞会输的。" couldnt
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 41 确实我在场上８IRON 打出几个１７０ １８０都有顺风的帮助
难怪逆风要打STINGER
我一般都学PRO抓一把草往风中一扔测一下风向风速。 打１９０那天没什么风。
tempature is high 80F, hot weather will help a little. 也只是在RANGE 上练
SWING MECHANICS 的时候做一些距离上的尝试. 在场上我现在最大的愿望是不丢球，宁
可短 １０－15 码， 少想一些 DRIVE par4 GREEN， 那种有丢球可能的HAZARD， 就
别想 １７０＋ ONE SHOT ON GREEN.
昨天又去打了一些球， 未能重现 ７IRON １９０， 大多在１６６ YARD FLAG 附近。
昨天球的路线较准， 没有太多的偏， OFF LINE １０－２０YARD。 DRIVER OFF
LINE 也在１０－３０ YARD 的范围内。 只要不丢球， 保守一点， 我觉得 BOGEY
GOLFER 可以达到.
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 42 After work 去球场练了。173 码par 3 打了三次，小逆风，第一竿7铁，不solid,落在
前沙坑。第二竿8铁，球停在果
岭左边。第三竿7铁，high draw or hook,超过果岭，停在左前方。然后是298码par4打
了三竿，小顺风，跟步行速
度差不多。第一竿球出去在果岭左后方。第二竿mid launch, 球停在离果岭5码的左边
，跟果岭中心平齐吧，我今
年最远的开球，是颗callaway。然后就认真的切球推球，终于捕获我的第一个小鸟球。
短球实在差，到现在才抓
鸟。去年初我在这练这个洞开球后我还在打90码approach.我想接下去要悠着点，别受
伤，吧准度和钿short game
提高一下。
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v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 43 I've been trying to improve my putting and minimize my double or triple
bogeies. a par5 is always my favorite and I am doing OK with most par3s. A
long par4 is my weakest link and most time I have a bogies or double out of
there.
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 44 en, she is a star material. 形象气质 & DEMEANOR 都很好,
watched 17 hole play, her first hybrid (5hybrid?) hit to 180-190 range.
so that 185 + 25 = 210 for 3hybrid or 220 for 5wood, 235 3wood, 250 - 270
for driver.
didn't watch her play 430 yard par4 #18, didn't she use iron for approach?
see if she plays in california
Oct 14-17
CVS/pharmacy LPGA Challenge
【 在 willywufd (WW) 的大作中提到: 】 |
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z**z
发帖数: 231 | 45 公司里的比赛。我们先是进行了4 person scramble（我们组夺冠）,然后是9洞的个人
赛。其实不出意外也就一个老美和我争个人赛的冠军，平时打球他几乎很少赢过我。个
人赛的时候，他和我一组，作弊严重。比如第二洞，par4，他开球fairway右侧下水，
drop一球攻果岭又下水，再drop一球chip上果岭，两推。他居然说boggy，脸都不带红
的。9洞下来这样搞了至少4，5杆。虽然平时打球他偶尔也这样，但是比赛这样就觉得
很没意思了。搞得自己打球的心情，乐趣全没了，但是也没有戳穿。
你们这种情况怎么handle的呢？ |
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z**z
发帖数: 231 | 46 par4，两次出界加两推，就算是新手也不会觉得是boggy吧（他都打了十几年了）？他
肯定是intentional的，呵呵。。。
其实看他当时angry的样子，他要是说double boggy我可以接受（平时这种情况都是他
自报double），boggy有点儿过了，而且是比赛。。
count
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 47 well said. 多尝试不同的竿便于灵活掌握SWING。
场上情况多， 需要用各种 SETUP.
recently, wedge is the best, driver second.
iron, hybrid, woods are all horrible. don't know why.
biggest disppointment happens on par5 after a good drive, 3/5 wood, 3h,
even 4/5 iron left for 2nd shot. simply could not make 2on, failed this
kind situaions 10 times now. all led to muffed 2nd shot turf roll 100 yards
or so, then wedge to green.
2on par5 is much harder than 1on short par4 ("on" --- short chip to green is
acceptable)
把. |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 48 本来我的tee shot就不错，不打back tee， 基本上就是6300＋的球场，par4 都是
driver ＋ wedge， 最多到8 iron， 感
觉不要太好。
gir的概率超高。
distance rules！ |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 49 400 yards par4, and you need 250 carry hazardous
assume your drive carry is around 250. do you need "智慧和策略"?
that is just one example.
another one is the ryder cup #15, you can cut corner and drive to green or
you can lay up.
there are tons tons of choices or trade-off |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 50 saw dustin johnson drove the #15 green using 3wood!!! yardage sign 370 or so
?
later on the commentators said only "requires 260 carry, dustin can reach it
using 3iron".
sunol palm course #6, 309 par4, dog leg right. i hit 3 shots yeterday. the
3rd shot is the most solid and cut the corner. i remember the direction of
the ball flight. but i could not find the ball no matter how i follow the
direction of ball flight. back home check google map, only 220meter tee to
green. i tend to believe i ... 阅读全帖 |
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