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发帖数: 1650 | 7 市长V5! fickell V5! OSU 教练 V5!
Phil Knight 更V5: “If there is a villain in this tragedy, it lies in that
investigation and not in Joe Paterno’s response,”
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发帖数: 696 | 8 查了一下，Antonio Logan-El，还就是锯的maryland
http://blog.oregonlive.com/ducks/2006/01/antonio_loganels_displ
Logan-El first pulled a Florida cap out of a bag before declaring it
wasn't the school for him and tossing it aside.
Then he held up a Tennessee cap, said a few words and threw it aside.
Finally, the senior got to the Maryland cap, said a few nice words
about the program he originally committed to as a sophomore and then
dropped it on the floor.
Logan-El then held up a picture of him and Penn Stat... 阅读全帖 |
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B****a
发帖数: 1526 | 11 这人纯粹有病。
不是还有阴谋论说搞掉Spanier和Paterno都是对他最有利的么。 |
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发帖数: 1416 | 12 After five years of court battles, the Pennsylvania State Employees'
Retirement System (SERS) revealed Paterno's salary in November 2007: $512,
664. He was paid $490,638 in 2006.
看看 wikipedia ：
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Paterno
老爷子的salary 早公开了 |
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l****o
发帖数: 942 | 14 我在上面说的能力不是指能打赢几场硬仗就行，也不是纯face to face看谁赢得多。这
么比下去都是A>B,B>C,C>A的死循环乐。
我说的教练实力主要是两个：
1，接手一个losing program，在最快时间内变成top program，夺冠。
2，在任期间保证这个program一直赢下去，至少每年都是实实在在的contender。
Meyer 在1上能跟saban比一比，2上差得太远。miles在2上做得不错，但也不如saban，
1上还没有这种经历。
在1和2上都不错的，我能想到的也就是BearBryant，SOS，老Bowden，Paterno。从成绩
看也只有BearBryant比saban强乐。
saban是个wsn不假，但人家的coach能力是实打实的。 |
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发帖数: 1526 | 15 推荐大家都看一下这篇文章：
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2012/06/12016/we-could-be-heroes
（头一次推荐buckeye nations的文章。。。）
摘一段：
Almost 50 years ago a 28-year old woman named Catherine Genovese was walking
home late at night from her job managing a bar in Queens, not even a half-
hour from where Paterno grew up in Brooklyn. A man grabbed her and she
screamed for help.
He stabbed Genovese, who kept shouting for help. A voice from the building
shouted back to leave her alone and several windows lit up from the
apar... 阅读全帖 |
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p******o
发帖数: 2682 | 17 这事我觉得大多数人的观点已定，除非有惊人的转折，PATERNO的名声难以挽回了。 |
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l********e
发帖数: 2499 | 18 支持release，真相大白天下，给受害人一个交代。 |
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P**C
发帖数: 4333 | 21 不错，这是比烂。大10的其他队伍该高兴了，这一下10年PSU都起不来。 |
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发帖数: 2987 | 23 PSU is in deep trouble. |
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B****2
发帖数: 8892 | 24 公开、透明对谁都有好处。主要当事人中，辞职的辞职，解雇的解雇，离开的离开，去
世的去世，判刑的判刑，再糟也不过如此。 |
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发帖数: 13724 | 26 "Our most saddening and sobering finding is the total disregard for the
safety and welfare of Sandusky's child victims by the most senior leaders at
Penn State,"
"In order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful
leaders at the university -- Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley --
repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse,"
PSU要糟。 |
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发帖数: 937 | 27 有一点不大理解：report里面提到1998 criminal investigation：
“While the local district attorney did not prosecute, the Freeh Group
condemned Paterno and the others for not setting up further precautions
against Sandusky's behavior.”
那地区检察官是不是应该负很大责任？ |
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发帖数: 13724 | 28 你这个似乎类比不当，一个是45罪guilty，一个是根本没convict的。
最后会有什么惩处我也不清楚，看吧，一个礼拜内估计就有结果了
关学院是我猜得，没法律基础，看到这条联想的。
The U.S. Department of Education is examining whether the school violated
the Clery Act, which requires reporting of certain crimes on campus,
including ones of a sexual nature. The report said Penn State's "awareness
and interest" in Clery Act compliance was "significantly lacking."
Only one form used to report such crimes was completed on campus from 2007
through 2011, according to the Freeh findings. A... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1131 | 29 Paterno 死的太是时候了，他曾经害怕退休，怕退了就死了，现在是被解雇就死了，倒
是不用回答当年的罪（convicted or not, legally and morally)了. 这老头至少是不
用过天天被指着鼻子骂的日子，更不用说去和Sandusky作伴了。 |
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发帖数: 18685 | 30 Nike跟进了
把用JoePa命名的child care center改名了
"I have been deeply saddened by the news coming out of this investigation at
Penn State. It is a terrible tragedy that children were unprotected from
such abhorrent crimes. With the findings released today, I have decided to
change the name of our child care center at our World Headquarters. My
thoughts are with the victims and the Penn State community."
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Paterno-NIKE-Name-Cha
facilities. |
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 32 太长了。in this country anyone can sue anyone, 不说明什么。再说这只是prosecu
tion的case, 还得听defense的argument吧。it's convenient to say now since JP c
an't defend himself any more isn't it?
High profile的indictment其实往往都是failure, 比如bill clinton, 还有最近的rog
er clemens
JP我觉得多少知道一点，程度多深，那就不知道谁知道了。我觉得，要是他活着被起诉
反而比现在没的defend自己好。怎么也听听his side of the story
前面谁说过，这个freeh报告不知道为什么，一个defense side当事人都没有采访。是
他们拒绝采访还是因为进入司法不能comment我就不知道了。
and
investigative
when
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F***I
发帖数: 4170 | 33 Like you said: JP我觉得多少知道一点，程度多深，那就不知道谁知道了。
That's the point. He put Football interest over those kids. That' enough. |
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 34 and he is paying the ultimate price now isn't he?
我觉得讨论的重点是psu football program, psu该不该陪葬，不是
这些人有没有责任。 |
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F***I
发帖数: 4170 | 35 well,at least people know that he is not the person people used to think.
PSU definitely does not deserve 陪葬, although financially they will.
Football program I think deserve at least a few years of ban |
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发帖数: 4372 | 36 拿我盖来讲
TP sb，小背心包庇，为什么要让Urban和这些球员受罚一年? NCAA
办事就是不讲人情，没办法 |
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发帖数: 1416 | 37 Bobby Bowden 等着vocate joepa 的win |
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发帖数: 680 | 39 I am not totally sure the credibility of this guy, but I think he has a
point here. |
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B****2
发帖数: 8892 | 40 三大司机已经被判有罪。我所说的真相是到底Joe Paterno 知道多少，隐瞒了多少。是
故意隐瞒还是的确不知道那么多并没有意识到问题的严重性。如果是三大司机的雕像，
砸了都不为过。现在的趋势是，大家为了政治上的正确性，宁可信其故意隐瞒，不可信
其的确不知道那么多。我个人认为，如果他真知道那么多却又故意遮盖，恐怕有些太愚
蠢了吧。纸里是保不住火的，这么简单的道理，老头子不懂吗。 |
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 41 reggie bush should be compared to sandusky in this case.
joe paterno should be compared to pete carroll who turned a blind eye.
not saying taking money is comparable to child rape. just pointing out
the logical error in this post
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发帖数: 1416 | 44 sandusky 是主犯。 媒体应该报道sandusky的事情，他的trial 了解他的成长经历。
如何产生这样的变态人格。 现在媒体却盯着已亡了的paterno，football 这些 只是案
件的枝叶的东西， sandusky才是主干。 NCAA 和媒体 没一个好的 |
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发帖数: 4321 | 45 操。什么鸡巴逻辑？
PSU就是以足球为掩护干犯罪的勾当。
NCAA有责任惩罚PSU.
paterno这王八隐瞒事件达十多年之久。学校高层都卷入。
刑事是刑事，主管机构在实事已经明了的情形下有义务进行惩罚。 |
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D***h
发帖数: 148 | 46 If you equal little evidence to slyness, you are as biased as the Paterno's
!??
哩. |
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l****o
发帖数: 942 | 47 你说对了。这个record除了Paterno，跟别人都关系不大。老pa跟老bowden斗了一辈子
，一年前还是稳占上风，无论战绩上还是道德标准上。
老bowden之前不但违反纪律被vacate wins，后来还被FSU的师生们劝退过，最后被FSU
从教练位置上强拉下来。结果谁也想不到老bowden还是笑到了最后。这个说明，强装一
个高高在上让人崇拜的道德完人，迟早要摔下来。而当一个会犯错的普通人要安全的多。 |
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 48 还好吧。早死早超生，其实这个结果大家应该都可以接受(except paterno family of
course)。下面就可以move on了 |
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发帖数: 2682 | 49 1、PATERNO家
2、4个BOT成员
3、一些LETTERMEN
NCAA的回应很可能是不予接受，然后下一步就是上法庭了。 |
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