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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 3 Hokieman: i could see you used to play penholder.
after u switched to shakehand, i didn't see your game took
advantage of being a shakehand, no hitting/looping from
backhand at all.
whereas maybe u lost some serve/serve return/short ball
advantage of being a penholder. |
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b*****t
发帖数: 1276 | 4 penholder? or shakehand?
it's way way too heavy for penholder. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 5 Tenergy 05 has a good 弹性. But it is too fast for backhand of Penholder.
T05-FX is better.
But I guess that they are both too hard. A soft rubber may be better if you
want to be more consistent for backhand, but like forehand to be powerful (
Penholder) |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 6 Last time, I saw QQMJ's backhand block for looping is very good and
consistent (in the video).
It appears to me that shake hand is easy for backhand block (against
looping)than penholder. For penholder (like me) I feel that RPB block is
easier for the handshape than
front-side block at backhand. Front-side block at backside needs to put the
paddle in a special angle.
See WMTT today's match, a RPB soft blocking is very good. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 7 A couple of comments:
1) Ma Lin looks like 气宗.
2) Ma lin's speed is not like before. He cannot cover the right big-coner by
moving there with a forehand looping as before.
3) Are 气宗 all penholders ? if not, I guess that most of 气宗 are
penholders .
Ma Lin is the king (real 老大) of 气宗. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 8 For shake-hand, many 反手拉球太牛 .
For penholders, very fewer.
For those of being young, change to shake-hand if you are penholder. I am too
old to change. |
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u***t
发帖数: 3986 | 9 Final
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HPZD Stiga Hybrid NCT flare master 1
Mi24 Stiga Clipper CC Flared Master 1
QQMJ Stiga Offensive NCT Wood Flared Master 1 (light)
WMTT Nittaku Premium 3* Balls White 1 dozen
Boeing Nittaku Premium 3* Balls Yellow 1 Bulk
bbs1011
1. Stiga Carbo 7.6 WRB Penhold
http://www.paddlepalace.com/Carbo-76-WRB-Penhold/productinfo/PS
要求：no more than 77g, the lighter the better
2. Stiga Clipper Classic, Straight
http://www.... 阅读全帖 |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 11 consistentcy: Shakehand is better than penholder.
Defense: Shakehand is better than penholder. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 12
it worths a try, u can always switch back if u like, guys who play shakehand
from penhold
find their PRB is a lot better after switching back.
if your game depends on 小球，变化, then stick on penholder as i did. |
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发帖数: 1565 | 13 I found that I like to practice/ warm-up with loopers, mostly because
there are more rounds of plays for each ball, and there are a lot of funs.
The worst ones are those who are some of penholders and Chinese (I am also
penholder and Chinese -- but I am not the same ), but during Practice/ warm-
up, they either hit the balls everywhere on the table or smash each ball but
have too many missing the tables during practice. It appears that most of
the time is to spend on picking his balls. Of cour... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1565 | 14 I feel that maybe female-shake-approach is more useful for my learning as
male-penholder-RPB.
1. With RPB, we should play like shakehand with two-side looping.
2. Male top players (such as Xu XIn) are too fast (footwork) and too
professional and their approaches could not be learnt by me. Female approaches
may be deserved to learn.
In summary, as a male-penholder, I would learn female-shake-hand approach with consistent two-side loopping. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 17 Then, my mistake; there are three persons:
1) one: shakehand, used to be 1700+ 10 years ago, I also met once on an
airplane to China.
2) another one, 1900+ 10 years ago, penholder, consistent forehand loop.
3) Thrid guy in UT-Memphis student, penholder.
Which one > |
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 19 Shocking!
Good sign for the health of China TT.
Xu has earned it. He is the final stand of penholder.
Wand Hao participated twice already. No obvious reason he should be placed
above Xu Xin.
As I said long ago, Xu is currently the best penholder in the world,
followed by Ma lin, then Wang hao.
In my view, current world top three players are: Ma long, Zhang JK and Xu
Xin. Now all three represent China, a right selection.
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 20 有直拍情节的人常有一个说法，说是外国人爱打横拍是因为他们从小吃饭用刀叉，用横
拍自然，而中国人从小吃饭用筷子，所以更适合打球用直拍。
这实际上是一个myth。
横拍的英语是shake hand grip， 而直拍是penhold grip。似乎比拿刀叉用筷子更形象
一点。
握笔（penhold）老外和中国孩子一样从小也会吧，为什么鲜少有人玩直拍呢？
是不是因为握笔再容易也不如握手（shake hand）容易吧？握笔需要学习训练，而握手
大概不需要专门训练。一个孩子握手都要教，大概其天资也不适合玩乒乓球这种精细活
吧？
人有走捷径的天性，就是一个已学会握笔拿筷子的孩子，要他挑一种握拍法，他也一定
会选一种容易的握法，而和握手一样容易的横拍自然就成了孩子们首选握法了。要是孩
子选了直拍，一般都是父母强制的结果。
为什么以前亚洲一带直拍为主呢？乒乓文化传统使然也。大概亚洲一开始玩乒乓球的觉
得直拍好玩，很少有玩横拍的，这样长久以往就形成了亚洲以直拍为主的乒乓文化传统
。再说，以前的乒乓球技术胶皮水平，直拍在力量上并不吃多少亏，反而在小球控制上
有些优势。国际成绩也斐然。
当然，30年河东，3... 阅读全帖 |
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q***s
发帖数: 1718 | 21 我的黑白双煞求包养。
Stiga Clipper CR Penhold
Stiga Hybrid NCT Penhold
都没怎莫用， 尤其那黑的， 没有用10分钟。 都木有打磨。
有性取咱唠唠 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 22 for amateurs, the best penhold in bay area used to be Ren, Yong,
over 2400...
another penhold in SF from Guangzhou was also over 2300.. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 23
i am not even on top 10, let alone top 3 penholds, i would guess
Tony Tan from Guangdong can beat heige.
there are another few players in SF are over 2100 penholds.
even the older pete chen, haha! |
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f*1
发帖数: 837 | 25 可以本站搜索“PenRBS Stiga YEO”。好象本版对Stiga和YEO比较青睐。
我本来要说如果要便宜+国产，可以试Friendship 729 Bomb Penhold ($18)和
Friendship 729 Focus III Snipe ($14)，不过刚一查，好象Bomb Penhold没得卖了。
横板的还有。 |
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L****n
发帖数: 35 | 26 Hi all:
There is a new table tennis place called 123PingPong and the coaches are:
1) Zhang, WeiJian (2582) lefty shakehand, with pips-out on the
backhand side
2) Zhang, Jinge (2321) righty penhold, specailize on reversed
penhold backhand
3) Zheng, Hao(Sylvia) (2070) lefty shakehand, 2-wing looping style
They are hosting summer camp:
http://www.123pingpong.com/main/Training.aspx
•$340 weekly rate for whole day session
•$180 weekly rate for hlaf day session
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L****n
发帖数: 35 | 27 Sun Bin of Intel is playing inverted forehand (Hurricane 3 rubbers)
and long pips backhand (penhold style).
He has one of the most deceptive penhold serves(those resembled Liu Guo
Liang using
the backhand side of the rubber to serve on his forehand position or we call
it reversed-backhand forehand serves) and his long pips is so surprising in
terms of position chop block.
I think he used to play much better when he was in China and at least in
2250 or higher level.
LXXfan |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 28
a good 场外 candidate:
1) a penhold: penhold style needs a lot of thinking...
2) a good player himself/herself, even though it is not proportional
to his/her coaching level...
3) He/She has had tons of competition experience...
4) He/she can read games very well, ie easily find the strength and
weakness of both 2 players
5) he/she is articulate.. a good teacher candidate too, out spoken
out going player. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 30
exactly, such a lazy boy, switched from penhold to lazy shakehand...
i do feel ur backhand is weaker than an average 1800 penhold's backhand.. |
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n**0
发帖数: 642 | 33 YEO
YES
Yasaka Ma Lin Soft Carbon Penhold
Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon Penhold
这4个比较如何？各有什么优缺点？ |
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n**0
发帖数: 642 | 34 请问“碳板跟BTY还有差距”具体是什么意思？block不够快？拉球旋转不够，力量不够？
Yasaka Ma Lin Soft Carbon Penhold 和 Yasaka Ma Lin Carbon Penhold 比 YEO /
YES 要快吗？ |
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j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 37 如下面图所示(均为直拍 penholder)：
1。Butterfly Chinese-real
red sriver
black 729-08
非常适合初学者，木拍，配上容错很好的经典皮子 sriver 和 729，
容易控制 拉 打都是适合。
球拍加皮子很轻。 原价 $85 要价 $40
2。红双喜9009 6stars
red 狂飙II
black 狂飙III
很经典的成品拍，两款皮子都是非常适合初，中级player,适合快攻结合
弧圈打法 重量 比 上一款 重一些 力量大的人比较适合 原价 $75
要价 $35
这两个拍子我都没有打多少次 （小于15次）照片里还能看出 撕掉保护膜
的皮子粘迹。
3。为了对比新旧 再看一下我目前使用的
YASAKA Malin Carbin
Red Sriver EL
Black Tenergy 64
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t*******y
发帖数: 11968 | 39
Amazon 上随便找个 penhold racket就可以了, 俱乐部也有免费拍子用 |
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l********r
发帖数: 4005 | 40 Hong Zhao, (626)839-8069,(626)475-6488
Club:Rowland Heights Park
Style: Penhold Attacker
Career HighLights:
1980 China Open, Women's Double Champion.
Graduator of Shanghai Sports Institute.
1988-1994 Coach of Tianjin(China) women's Team. |
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G****n
发帖数: 618 | 43 多谢!
比较了几个网站, 把结果给大家汇报一下, 也算做点小贡献:
1) Zeropong.com 东西种类其少无比, 找不到要买的东西.
2) paddle palace 对于Stiga 的拍子种类也是很少, 当然横排的话选择还是非常多的.
但是 penhold 只有7款.
3) dandoy-sports.com 拍子种类多, 价格便宜, 但是我找不到Sriver胶皮..:(
4) Ping-pong.com 种类不少, 价钱偏贵一些, 国产胶皮都out of stock了, 还好
Sriver还有货... |
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S***r
发帖数: 12443 | 44 现在的打法主要是快攻， 想向快弧发展。
底板 stiga clipper wood WRB, 这个就是大家说的CL吗？WRB是什么意思？还有handle的
flare, shraight, anatomic有什么区别？ penhold是直拍吗？
正手 bryce fx 有1.9， 2.1 选哪个好
反手 sriver fx 2.1， 有1.5， 1.7， 1.9， 2.1， max 应该选哪个 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 45 good analysis, also her short pips makes it easy to return spinny serves,
her penholder style makes her serve/serve return/short balls are all
better than Boros's and Jiang's
BTW, both Jiaqi and Huajun are from Shandong, they could share some same
coaches before Jiaqi moved to Beijing team, Huajun moved to HK. |
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p**o
发帖数: 3409 | 46 正式报道一下～
id: pulo
地点: Minneapolis, Minnesota
等级分: 暂无
打法: 近台快弧（尝试过半年正手生胶，放弃...）
底板: Stiga Ti 5.4 Penhold
正手: NEO天极III
反手: Donic X1 Turbo (platin) （拟） |
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p**o
发帖数: 3409 | 47 正式报道一下～
id: pulo
地点: Minneapolis, Minnesota
等级分: 暂无
打法: 近台快弧（尝试过半年正手生胶，放弃...）
底板: Stiga Ti 5.4 Penhold
正手: NEO天极III
反手: Donic X1 Turbo (platin) （拟） |
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k******r
发帖数: 2243 | 49 Mine is Hurricane Hao Penhold. |
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