U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 1 OH. I see. Thanks.
Basically 拧 for short balls.
For both penholder and shakehand, backhand can do 拧, but forehand, 拧 is
difficult, right ? |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 2 Saw him play in Hua Yun Hui before, very very powerful loops, never
thought i could beat him from SF city.
First time played him, i warmed up one match, if i won, it would be
next 2, i was behind all the way to the end, but came back to win 13:11
Which gave me a lot of confidence, so i won 2nd game, from 3rd, 4th,
i did not stick on my 3-4 different types of serves he had most troubles
with, he came back to 2:2.
5th game, he led all the way to 10:8, i won 2 points with my own 2 serves,
luckily i... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 3 btw, his name is Tony Tam, his forehand is more powerful
than penRBP's, but less footwork...
his serves are very very spinny. |
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Q**J
发帖数: 23283 | 7 酱紫的BSO我们很欢迎，呵呵
那天你打掉个2100的， 你也往死了BSO啊 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 9 actually did anyone played him before? how to handle his spinny
serves?
it has such a small margin: i either return under the net or out
of the table... |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 11 我以前住在三蕃市的时候还经常跟Tony他们打，也赢过他，如果在小场地打，他是占优
势的，因为他是典型的近台打法，发球确实很好，然后是一板"all or nothing"的近台
正手爆冲，但正手连续性稍差。他推挡也不错，因为个子蛮高所以推挡护台范围较大。
去年的华运会团体赛我代表Foster City时跟他打过，2：3输给他了。接他的发球，绝
对不能只是上去“碰球”，一定要主动加点力才好控制，而且最好侧接以便避转同时主
动加侧旋。发到你反手的半出台要尽量侧身用正手拉起来，不要搓接。你也可以试着用
长胶那面去“磕”他的发球，注意是“磕”不是“削”，他那板正手爆冲的稳定性还是
有点欠缺的。 |
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W**T
发帖数: 18996 | 13 你这痴呆. 这是另一个人, 就是上次那个手放台子低下, 你说人家象猩猩的那个. 球是
很不错的. 扫雷的2100+. |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 15 Tony遇到防守好的，或者有不错连续相持能力的，就有点麻烦了，因为他正手基本只有
那一板球，连续性比较弱。你回过去的话，即使到他正手他也多半是变成挡，很少有连
续拉冲的。 |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 16 直板是最近两年开始玩票性质的，他以前一直是打横板的。 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 17 yes, that's the way i won.. but too passive against his style.
i can return with my LP 70-80%, but just 30% with smooth side, i flipped
about
once a game to win a point for serve return. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 18 the first time i played Terry Tam was at one of the 4 star Berkeley Open
U2375, i beat a guy over 2100 from TX in group RR, led Terry 2:1, asked
Patrick Wu to coach me, but he declined since he said he knew Terry too,
at that time, Terry was a 2100+ shakehand.
I lost 2:3, afterwards, Patrick told me if i had won, my rating would have
jumped over 2100.
So i was just one game away from 2100. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 19
Stanley stopped by the club after our 1st match, he couldn't believe i beat
tony, said if we played again, most likely Tony would win.
After the 2nd match, he said tony should not loop again after i blocked his
strong initial loop using LP, instead he should have just pushed back, since
he looped under the net...
thanks for sharing your experience, Barry said he played him once and lost
to him 2:3 too. |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 20 Move your feet, continually loop with your forehand, including counter-
looping.
penholders should do to beat the consistent shake-hand guys ? Any
suggestions ? |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 21 i think surefire is a good attacker, whereas ypeng has good defense, you
don't have much defensive skills.
when u play surefire, u need to initiate attack more, but he is a penholder,
it is relatively easier for him to start attack. |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 22 嘿嘿，所以我说飞猪要是碰到色火，如果还按G决赛打，
胸多鸡少。
i think surefire is a good attacker, whereas ypeng has good defense, you
don't have much defensive skills.
when u play surefire, u need to initiate attack more, but he is a penholder,
it is relatively easier for him to start attack. |
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W**T
发帖数: 18996 | 23 我还是看好飞诸的赢面大.
penholder, |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 24 跟你赌了
怎么样
我们两都all-in，纸面上色火是underdog，这个赔率也正常吧
我还是看好飞诸的赢面大.
penholder, |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 25 I like to watch a penholder like Pan Gang. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 26 his backhand defense would be better if he plays penhold. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 27 penholder or shakehank ? |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 28 Let WWTT make a video for you and you can see your video, Then compare yours
with those in youtube. Then you know the difference.
Or upload a video for letting everyone to have a look and give comments.
I just know that for penholder, forehand 腕 is little better than shakehand. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 29 usually guys who have better serves would have better serve return.
just like average to say: penholder has better serves and serve returns...
also pips can be used for better serve return. |
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J********9
发帖数: 36508 | 30 哈哈，我记得当时还跟你争了很久“发球好，接发球也会好”，
我是同意这一观点的。
usually guys who have better serves would have better serve return.
just like average to say: penholder has better serves and serve returns...
also pips can be used for better serve return. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 31 QQMJ, the penholder at that time ?? |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 32 In the first game, you gave too many forehand balls to him so that he made a
lot easy loops in hs forehand.
In the second game, you added more control in returning the balls, then he
made a lot of mistakes. Also your serve quality is better than the first
game.
For our penholders, if we do not make him loop easier, he will make mistakes
or we loop first. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 33 Only penholders can do good on that. Shakehand is difficult. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 34 The paddle looks smaller so that it looks strange compared to CHinese
Penholder. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 35
Sure, 2000 level player G F/S S are doing that, LP RBP is not a loop,
instead, it is no spin punch.
Actually one side LP penholders in bay area, most of them don't twiddle.
it takes talent to twiddle fast enough to take it advantage.
Usually it is easier to twiddle for serve/serve return just like
ZJQ is doing, but a lot more difficult to twiddle during a rally.
长胶发球有优势吗？
LP can't generate much spin, so it can ONLY be used as a variation,
whereas variation is one of the most important keys in s... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 36 the russian guy has very good backhand, it is not easy to play
against shakehands with strong backhand when you are a tricky
penholder player... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 37
。要是平时打着玩儿的， 肯定输了。
even though i had competed almost in my whole life in sports, i still
shared the same experience:
When you dare to win, but not afraid of lose, u play the best!
but when you have the idea of wanting to win, you start to lose.
in the team final against Jiaoda, 5 singles in a row: my opponent is
2100+ TSP Spectol penhold hitter, at first: my goal was not losing
at the earliest of our 5 singles, so i was fighting for each point,
lost like 4:11 in first game, but came back from 7:... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 38 his backhand from middle distance counter attack has improved a lot,
which surprised me when i smashed to his backhand...
now, he plays more like a mid distance 2 wing looper...
not that common as a penhold. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 39 that is a long time ago, he has 3 world cup titles, 1 world
champion title.
even if he just wins 2nd again in London, he is still considered
one of the most famous players in Chinese TT history since he
started a total new era of penhold RPB. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 40 i can have a try too... I thought a lot of penholders over 2000
have better serves than his, eg: Tony Tam, Jim Chai etc... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 41
i never consider myself is a LP player, for me, i am more like
a single sided penholder attacker.
LP is a defensive oriented rubber, but i am a offensive minded player.
Well, why i add one side LP? one reason is for serve return, another
reason is i can NOT master RPB skill well enough to my play level,
so why leave one side none? |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 42 it all depends on which choice is better for you, average to say: there
are more penhold who play LP on backhand over 1800 than those play PRB
over 1800. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 43
this is so true, if a kid is learning penhold, i would highly recommend
PRB, for adults, i would recommend using pips on backhand 90%. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 44 some points from my own experience and observations:
1. under certain level like U3600, yes, 2 1800 players should play best.
2. But style matching is more important: usually one stable, one aggressive
is the best matchup
3. Usually attacker plays better than defender in doubles.
4. guys who have solid attack skills, but less footwork in singles, usually
play doubles higher level than their singles.
5. Serve/serve return become a lot more important, so guys who have good
serve/serve return play ... 阅读全帖 |
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b*****1
发帖数: 1355 | 45 为什么陈酒大侠这么好的技术贴都没人回？是因为大伙都不爱看e文吗？
翻译一下吧：
从我自己的经验和观察一些要点：
1。像U3600一定程度下，答案是肯定的，2 1800球员应该发挥最好。
2。但风格相匹配更重要的是：通常一个稳定的，积极的之一是最好的对决
3。通常攻击者扮演比后卫更好的双打。
4。球员有坚实的攻击技能，但少步法单打，通常打双打高于自己的单打水平。
5。发球/接发球成为了很多更重要的，所以具有良好的家伙服务/服务返回发挥更好的
双打。所以通常2 penhold次双打
更好地在同一水平比2 shakehand。
6。如果你是在强大的杀好，试图找到一个合作伙伴，可以设置你起来，就像一个唱片
播放器，同样，一个唱片机需要一个强大的杀手配对。
7。如果你控制的球员，找到一个很好的的攻击，如果你是一个推杆，找到一尺蠖等。
8。一起练习可以提高很多，2个合作伙伴，每个也喜欢其他帮助，去深刻，化学工程，
就像生活伴侣。
9。一个追随者，在双打中，总是有一个铅谁会谈有关如何发挥和战略。2健谈将无法正
常工作，2追随者有时无法生存的关键分。通常，导致调用的超时。
10。电枢水平，也许米克尔森... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 46 wow, i think the opposite...
his game has good spin, but not enough speed/power s.t. he has to depend
on his consistency which needs stamina which he would not have after some
tough matches.
Also his serve/serve attack is just average among 1900s penholders.
His game is better against familiar guys, likek myself, not against
strangers. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 47 his backhand count loop has a lot of spin, at least against my penholder
backhand, watch out.. that is his new weapon which he didn't have 2
years back. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 48 he will be national team coach after 2012 Olympics to replace
Wu Jingping, he will lead the penholder team, Wang Hao will retire
after 2012 Olympics too, but will be kicked off the national team.
He is not a good candidate for national team coach, i mean WH.
So most likely Xu Xin will become the lead in Ma Lin's team! |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 49 Maybe I need to learn how to play like a shakehand using penholder |
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