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y***g
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Follow these tips from pros to avoid buying a flood-damaged car from a
dealer or a private party:
• Buy a title history report, which may reveal if the car has ever had
a flood-damage brand. Thanks to the Justice Department database, these
reports are becoming more comprehensive, but you want to back them up with a
careful inspection, especially if the vehicle has been titled in other
states.
• Use your nose, Jacobson says. The first step in his inspection at a
wholesale auction is t... 阅读全帖
n******r
发帖数: 13312
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njsummer (查有此牛, 嗯。。就这样吧) 于 (Tue Oct 30 08:22:31 2012, 美东) 提到:
这次飓风过境, 美东地区沿海,河边, 低洼处大量汽车被淹。 估计1-2星期之后就
会开始涌入市场。
如果对方是住在上述区域内的而价钱又很便宜的话就要小心检查车了。因为是刚发生的
,估计carfax, autocheck上都不会有记录。
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aaddoo (闲话少说,言归正传) 于 (Tue Oct 30 09:01:59 2012, 美东) 提到:
看车时,仔细检查边边角角,看看有没有泥沙的痕迹。

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ziewhcs (aa) 于 (Tue Oct 30 11:19:16 2012, 美东) 提到:
敢问版主可安好?
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l*****r
发帖数: 2123
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: lblayer (leonis), 信区: Military
标 题: 这个开车撞死人的小留2百万刀保释, 真他妈的有钱
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 3 18:36:38 2013, 美东)
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020474352_chinesebailxm
A Chinese national who faces a vehicular-homicide charge for a Nov. 10
accident that left one woman dead and three injured in Des Moines has been
freed on bail after his family posted a $2 million cashier’s check.
Yichun Xu, 19, allegedly drove his newly purchased Mercedes-Benz at freeway
speeds t... 阅读全帖
W*****e
发帖数: 7759
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: lblayer (leonis), 信区: Military
标 题: 这个开车撞死人的小留2百万刀保释, 真他妈的有钱
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 3 18:36:38 2013, 美东)
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020474352_chinesebailxm
A Chinese national who faces a vehicular-homicide charge for a Nov. 10
accident that left one woman dead and three injured in Des Moines has been
freed on bail after his family posted a $2 million cashier’s check.
Yichun Xu, 19, allegedly drove his newly purchased Mercedes-Benz at freeway
speeds t... 阅读全帖
t**********3
发帖数: 12623
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: lblayer (leonis), 信区: Military
标 题: 这个开车撞死人的小留2百万刀保释, 真他妈的有钱
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 3 18:36:38 2013, 美东)
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020474352_chinesebailxm
A Chinese national who faces a vehicular-homicide charge for a Nov. 10
accident that left one woman dead and three injured in Des Moines has been
freed on bail after his family posted a $2 million cashier’s check.
Yichun Xu, 19, allegedly drove his newly purchased Mercedes-Benz at freeway
speeds t... 阅读全帖
W***n
发帖数: 11530
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“Mummy -- Car!”
Welhelmo Rodriguez Caido Jr., 41, blurted out the warning as he was riding
in the passenger seat of a Honda City driven by his wife, whom he
endearingly called Mummy. A moment later, as they entered an intersection in
the Malaysian town of Sibu on July 27, a collision with an oncoming car set
off the air bag with such force it knocked Caido out.
On the driver’s side, the inflator inside the air bag, made by Takata Corp.
(7312), malfunctioned and ruptured, firing a one-inch-wide s... 阅读全帖
W***n
发帖数: 11530
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来自主题: Automobile版 - Toyota Sienna complaints
Toyota Sienna
HomeAutomotiveCar Models Last updated: 08/07/2017
Consumer Complaints and Reviews
Nancy of Chatham, NJ on July 28, 2017
Satisfaction Rating
I purchased my Toyota Sienna 2013 XLE new. After 3 1/2 years and 39,000
miles, I have had to replace a full set of run flat tires 4 times, brake
pads and now have been informed that I need to replace the shocks and struts
and the tires again (since they are wearing unevenly due to the first issue
). To top that all off, the cable to the automat... 阅读全帖
r******s
发帖数: 3662
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THIS GUY IS DANGEROUS!!!! STAY AWAY!!
Beware!! This man and his company are trouble - he is being investigated
by the authorities for fraud and other more serious crimes. Under
suspicion of running a major human trafficking ring - DON'T GO NEAR
HIM!!!!!! he runs many other aliases on the websites -
bestdominicanadultvacations, etc. STAY AWAY!!!!
January 29, 2010 by Charles in Nashville, TN
STAY AWAY! THIS GUY IS DANGEROUS!
Stay as FAR AWAY as you can from this guy, he is serious TROUBLE! He is
l... 阅读全帖
b*******n
发帖数: 12321
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发信人: ymmy (为了梦中的橄榄树), 信区: Money
标 题: Re: AMEX的卡收到了, 只有10K points
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 19 02:16:21 2011, 美东)
Update from Original Slick deal Post:
Ok, so I have some more interesting information about this whole ordeal and
what it means for us. American Express is definitely well aware that this
special offer has gone viral. I also confirmed that it was in fact only
meant to be targeted to a small group of people (recent Columbia Graduates).
It was also (supposedly) supposed to only be valid ... 阅读全帖
d*b
发帖数: 21830
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来自主题: ebiz版 - ebay的5万刀的case study来了
Hartmann v. McKerness,
Case number: 2011 BCSC 927
http://www.bcjustice.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=arti
Citation:

Hartmann v. McKerness,

2011 BCSC 927
Date: 20110711
Docket: S086381
Registry: Vancouver
Between:
Dr. Oliver Hartmann
Plaintiff
And:
Wendy McKerness, aka Wendy Woodhouse-McKerness
and Christopher Fulton, aka Christopher McKerness
Defendants
Before: The Honourable Mr. Justice Johnston
Reasons for Judgment
Counsel for the Plaintiff:

L.N. Robinson and S. Hellmann
Ap... 阅读全帖
e*******n
发帖数: 2178
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来自主题: ebiz版 - 汇报一个可能的evil buyer。
63 Lovers Ln
Northfield, VT 05663-4416
感觉是老手。在amazon买了我的东西,过了一个月claim没有收到。
第一封信:
Hello, I still have not received this order. Has it shipped?
Thanks a lot~
George
Vermont
我回信给了tracking显示已经delivered了
第二封信:
Hi xxxx, Checked my mail again this weekend and still no delivery. Where do
we go from here? After all this time, I'm doubtful that it will arrive. Can
you suggest a solution. Thank you for the excellent communication and sorry
for all the hassle with this order.
George
Northfield, Vermont
我回信... 阅读全帖
d*****e
发帖数: 3868
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来自主题: ebiz版 - 真要命,300多刀呀
USPS called back this morning and told me that if it says it was delivered
that there is nothing they can do beyond that. I have no recourse with them
so I am forced to seek a refund.
y**7
发帖数: 478
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来自主题: Faculty版 - 觉得得了忧郁症
都是这个领域的player,也就是 use and manage the recourses to generate!
enjoy it
M****o
发帖数: 4860
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来自主题: Faculty版 - 来自英国的Offer,求意见
哎,大家都说福利好,其实跟我这种拿工作签证的半毛钱关系都没有。除了医疗,但现
在签证费里的加上了health care费用,基本上对他们也是包赚不赔了,我们总共看家
庭医生三年也没几次。还有,我们全家的签证上都写着大大的几个字:
“No Recourse to Public Funds ”。。。
所以,福利在哪里?

。一
居又
们就
国经
,这
w***o
发帖数: 151
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来自主题: Faculty版 - 骑奴找马 phone interview questions
Q4
how about this?
In five years I hope that I can become a valuable member of your department
via teach, research and service, and to make an immediate impact on the
field of XXXXX research.
I have been applying for federal funding, and will bring more recourses to
support our research here.
m****g
发帖数: 69
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协议已签 如下:
Agreement
This agreement is reached between 男方 and 女方, husband and wife. Before
entering the marriage, the parties agreed to keep their financial fairs
totally separate from each other during the marriage, and all household
expenses during the marriage shall be equally shared.
男方 and 女方 agree to sign this agreement because 1) 女方 just purchased a
property at 女方新购的房子, 2) 男方 has no intent to move in with 女方 to
this new location at 女方新购的房子 and is planning to move out of their
current res... 阅读全帖
s******d
发帖数: 323
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emulex (来福灵) 于 (Mon Jun 26 12:03:14 2006) 提到:
That's a problem for the bank, not a problem for you. Mortgages generally
have no recourses, you really can walk away without filing for bankruptcy.
You will have a serious negative event on your credit history for a few years.
But hey, if the trade-off is getting to keep 500K in cash it's probably
worth it.

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emulex (来福灵) 于 (Sun Jun 25 22:44:12 2006) 提到:
Ma
h*******y
发帖数: 864
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来自主题: Investment版 - 现在是不是时候开一个Roth IRA?
The first condition is non-sense. It is perfectly fine to have mortgage debt
or any debt that is secured by an asset especially all the non-recourse
debt.
h*******y
发帖数: 864
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Credit score is a very stupid way of accessing risks. Buffett explained this
year why Clayton Home's borrowers has only a median of 644 credit score but
their delinquency rate was lower. Sound business practice is not as easy as
just looking up a single score.
But on the other hand, I don't know how many stupid borrowers are defaulting
on their credit cards first before they default on their non-recourse home
loan. Under Bush's new regulation, the banks could come after them even if
they file ba
S******n
发帖数: 617
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credit card debt is recourse now! I didn't know this. No wonder people
stop paying mortgage first. I thought credit cards are reserved for
food & water...

this
but
as
defaulting
home
j***1
发帖数: 158
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来自主题: Investment版 - 投资房准备下手了,请参谋
every project bit different than another, so its case by case.
1. deep discounted projects, you going to expect to close with cash, what I
mean by deep discount, is like 40-50 cents on a dollar, then you can create
value thru renovation, when finish you still only 70 cents on a dollar.
2. stressed properties, current owner can't sell it on market due to
condition or location of the property, most time they may consider do seller
financing.
3. near marketable or marketable properties, about 80% o... 阅读全帖

发帖数: 1
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来自主题: Investment版 - 地产贷款
大家能推荐个好的地产贷款的公司吗?看中了一个公寓小区,但是手上现金不够,打算
贷款。不知道这种商业贷款,与普通的residential 的贷款来比,有些啥区别?no
recourse 有哪些讲究?谢谢
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x****5
发帖数: 97
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来自主题: JobHunting版 - 药厂ZZ
I mentioned something at this board before, but just my own feeling. I feel
that big pharma's own R&D department hasn't been efficient in developing new
drugs these years. they put lots of recourses into it, but very few
blockbusters come out of their product lines. the recent mega level layoff
is an indication that many of them don't have anything big in their
pipelines as well, and they are preparing for this. so i think that in the
next few years, there may be big mergers across the industry.
h****n
发帖数: 298
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Location: Bay Area, CA
Welcome fresher who has engineering background
Title/Position: Sales Engineer
Responsibility and Nature of Work:
Manage internal cross-functional business/technical teams who will be
supporting multiple customers. Responsible for: 1) Managing assigned
programs from initiation through delivery to ensure effective implementation
and utilization of project resources to meet or exceed business goals and
objectives, 2) Being the key point of contact to bridge customer and
inter... 阅读全帖
B*********s
发帖数: 306
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In California, the loans are non-recourse, so the lender cannot come after
your wages and assets if the house fails to sell for more than the loan
amount. Is this true for other states?
j*****3
发帖数: 654
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来自主题: Living版 - 请问房子怎么办?请给建议
如果不打算回美常住就别租了,不然就是把短痛变成长痛。你人不在这块儿盯着,谁会
事事替你着想?房子租出去几年也就糟塌得差不多了,再卖又是一样痛苦一回。而且2k
得房贷不低,加上空置维修地产税,打平都勉强。
Walkaway其实没那么恐怖,房贷本来就是抵押保险,不付了银行把房子收回去了事。如
果你们州是none-recourse mortgage而且没有refi过,没有第二个mortgage,那么法律
保障银行不能go after你其他财产。退一步说,你们孩子的名字不在房子title上,银
行也没有孩子的ssn,所以对孩子没事儿,对你们自己来说也就是信用问题,7年内不能
借贷,入境什么的肯定没问题,最坏就是以后跟你磨着要帐,你人都不在美国呆了,有
啥可顾虑的?
最后忍不住说一句,你家娃多可爱啊,看你帖子也是很顾娃,有啥不可调和的矛盾不能
小忍忍?年轻的时候眼里揉不下沙子,其实过日子就是那么回事儿,过了这个村下个店
儿也好不到哪去,娃就可怜了
f***h
发帖数: 485
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来自主题: Living版 - 请问房子怎么办?请给建议
查了一下,maryland是recourse state,能不能再给点建议

2k
j*****3
发帖数: 654
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来自主题: Living版 - 请问房子怎么办?请给建议
详细的也不太清楚,只是停付mortgage的话,银行要慢半拍,一般过几个月才进入
process。
如果是recourse mortgage,假设你们还欠银行260k,walk away了,银行把你们房子
foreclose,一年后卖了230k,理论上它可以sue你跟你要那不足的30k,不过你人都不
在美国了估计
也不能把你怎样。
如果不是急着走,short sale倒是一个选择,因为最后的卖价是银行同意的,没有日后
的顾虑,而且
file short sale之后就不必付mortgage了。还有就是自己卖卖看,毕竟你们差的不多
,自己卖可
能比银行卖能多卖些,可是现在这个市场,多长时间能卖掉也是个问题。
如果实在急着要走,那就只能walk away了,房子就是这个坏处,便现难。
y*******w
发帖数: 5917
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不要紧,据我所知几乎所有的美国的mortgage都是non-recourse贷款,也就是说你抵押
的只有房子,银行不能对你的任何其他财产动脑筋,所以房子毁了,foreclose就可以
了。
不过加州有些地方地价远远超过房价,所以就算房子毁了,地皮只要还在(没有沉入海
底),假设地皮还值钱,银行还是可以搞回不少钱,
w**7
发帖数: 1265
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baobeimimi (宝贝咪咪) 于 (Sat Mar 12 02:48:46 2011, 美东) 提到:
rt
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apps (〥.) 于 (Sat Mar 12 03:35:54 2011, 美东) 提到:
即使沉入海底也要还。套用中国一句古话“人死债灭”。

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yorkchen (恭喜发财) 于 (Sat Mar 12 09:49:46 2011, 美东) 提到:
要。所以有地震险。
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Botticelli (BBM) 于 (Sat Mar 12 10:20:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
你借人1000块钱买了台电视机,看两个月电视机摔坏了,你还需要还那1000块钱吗?
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c*u
发帖数: 916
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来自主题: Living版 - 买房子一次性付款好不好?
很多国家是recourse loan的,贷款是跟人走的,就算你放弃了房子,除非你宣告破产
,你的其他财产和收入仍然要抵债。所以walk-away是很困难的。
j***b
发帖数: 5901
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Being locked for a loan does not obligate you, it obligates the mortgage
company. The "lock" simply says that you are entitled to a certain rate for
a given time. If you have a lock at 6% for thirty days and you find a rate
for 5 7/8% you are free to take the lower rate without recourse. Of course,
most companies have charged you an application fee and done considerable
work for you by the time you get the lock. The practical time to shop for a
rate is before you get a lock unless you are in an ... 阅读全帖
s**k
发帖数: 174
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http://www.illinois-attorney.com/lp21.htm
POSTCLOSING POSSESSION
When a seller is holding possession beyond the closing date, the buyer's
attorney will have two main concerns.
First, the seller will be asked to pay a daily rate for use and
occupancy of the property in the amount of the daily rate of the
purchaser's new mortgage payment plus taxes and insurance.
Second, the seller will be required to post a "possession escrow" or a
certain amount of dollars to guarantee that the seller will actua... 阅读全帖
y*******w
发帖数: 5917
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来自主题: Living版 - 房子跌了20万,应该怎么办
你过虑了,美国几乎所有的房贷都是non-recourse(无追索权)的债务,你抵押的只是
房子,和你的个人别的财产无关。就算你有数亿cash,你仍然可以一拍屁股一走了之。
你去和银行要求short sale,银行不同意,就先贷款买下一个房子,出租,然后现在这
个房子不交mortgage,免费住一两年,再搬到新的房子里去。
m*********y
发帖数: 582
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来自主题: Living版 - 房子跌了20万,应该怎么办
恩,有道理,还是找个律师问下再说吧
我也算过,同样的房子,现在出去租,要1800最起码,我贷款一个月还2500加地税400
,减去税务优惠大概有900吧,每个月房子上要花2000块,其中还的本金40万,按照30
年算,每个月还了差不多1100吧,那其实花费才900,比外面租房子还是便宜了900块,
所以我觉得这个房价还是偏低,应该还有上涨空间,或者说现在房租市场定价不正常,
但房租从来都是只涨不跌啊

recourse,
著你的note,
再行動。
y****i
发帖数: 17878
36
one caveat is that after refinancing, it is not a non-recourse debt anymore.
keep that in mind.
k******o
发帖数: 3328
37
Basically, non-recourse debt means your liability is limited to the collateral (i.e. your house), but not to yourself (or any other asses under your name).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonrecourse_debt
b***r
发帖数: 233
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是不是所有的refinance都是这样? 有没有可能refinance之后 debt 还是non-recourse
的呢? 什么银行可能这样?

anymore.
k******o
发帖数: 3328
39
Most of mitbbs user don't need to worry too much, and that is little you
could do about it.

recourse
b********4
发帖数: 442
40
加州这么多foreclosure,不可能没有refinance的,没听说谁被追债了

recourse
j*******g
发帖数: 118
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以公司名义贷款几乎不可能。个人贷款如果你default,foreclosure之后银行可以go
after 你个人作为recourse。公司如果default, foreclosure之后,如果还不够,银
行只能认了。从税务角度来说,LLC和个人是一样的。LLC唯一的好处是可以insulate
liability,比如你的房客滑倒了之类的。
a**r
发帖数: 661
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Huan2007 (胡绵涛) 于 (Wed Mar 7 11:13:09 2012, 美东) 提到:
作为投资考虑。
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ppANDpp (月日月光华) 于 (Wed Mar 7 11:26:42 2012, 美东) 提到:
应该是公司
用公司出租房子,你的很多开销都可以算到公司帐上,这个公司账面上每年都会亏本,可
以省很多税.
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Huan2007 (胡绵涛) 于 (Wed Mar 7 11:44:58 2012, 美东) 提到:
好象连亏三年IRS会怀疑

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ppANDpp (月日月光华) 于 (Wed Mar 7 11:55:36 2012, 美东) 提到:
怀疑也没关系,他们就是查帐啊,你有帐可查就行了
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m**********r
发帖数: 2099
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来自主题: Living版 - 租客违约问题, 请教。
facts:根据你说的,这是一个tenancy for years,ie.有租住期限的,而不是tenancy
at will, ie.双方可以任意时间,随意解除landlord tenancy关系。
如果你要解决的是“气不过”:找个collection agency,哪怕out of pocket自己花点
钱雇他们都可以,弄个讨债,把对方SSN报上去,然后对方信用记录上加一笔,这样的
影响深远。如果对方海外学成归国,那你这样做效果有限。
如果你要解决的是“损失弥补”:只能告他们。理由是:也许,是说也许,你的租约是
违反规定的,也就是说不合法出租,但是除非那个规定“出租许可”的法律明确说:如
果你没许可就出租,那么你在法律上就没有任何recourse,除非那个法律specifically
这么说。你至少可以:
1) 承认合同无效,但可以claim unjustified enrichment.就是说对方由于在你这里住
,得到了好处,那么这个好处要吐出来,注意:这个只是对方得到的好处,而不是你损
失的。在你这个案子里,恐怕很少,基本上是打扫房间的费用,因为对方以前的租金都
给你了,是吗?唯... 阅读全帖
e*****u
发帖数: 567
44
查查有没有 permit.
from Zillow
"So what everyone seems to be saying is that if a homeowner or his
contractor break the law doing repairs, remodels or additions and can get
someone to buy the property without disclosing the facts.. then they get
away scott free and the new homeowner gets incur the legal repercussions
from the illegal activity.."
Yes. That is correct. Buyers can protect themselves by getting a quality
inspection and specifically requesting as part of the disclosure any
remodeling done ... 阅读全帖
r*****p
发帖数: 1964
45
来自主题: Living版 - 买房贷款好还是干脆一次付清
不要一次付清,现在30年fixed利率那么低,比实际通胀率恐怕都低,利息还可以抵税
,贷款买房等于是政府给你发补贴。
不会投资没关系,心理不要被短期的market波动影响,买S&P的index fund长期持有就
好,绝对跑赢贷款利率。
还有,如果房价跌50%,down-payment的高低跟你的损失基本没关系。首先,只有11个
州的房贷是non-recourse loan,即foreclosure以后银行就不能追你余下的债了,其他
州你跑不掉;其次,靠foreclosure然后walk away对你个人的信用记录影响严重,7年
里你信用卡、车贷都申不到,连apartment都难租得到,换工作好多公司的背景调查也
通不过。
r*****p
发帖数: 1964
46
来自主题: Living版 - 买房贷款好还是干脆一次付清
不要一次付清,现在30年fixed利率那么低,比实际通胀率恐怕都低,利息还可以抵税
,贷款买房等于是政府给你发补贴。
不会投资没关系,心理不要被短期的market波动影响,买S&P的index fund长期持有就
好,绝对跑赢贷款利率。
还有,如果房价跌50%,down-payment的高低跟你的损失基本没关系。首先,只有11个
州的房贷是non-recourse loan,即foreclosure以后银行就不能追你余下的债了,其他
州你跑不掉;其次,靠foreclosure然后walk away对你个人的信用记录影响严重,7年
里你信用卡、车贷都申不到,连apartment都难租得到,换工作好多公司的背景调查也
通不过。
d****y
发帖数: 398
47
来自主题: Money版 - Amex Gold 50K points, 2-yr fee waiver
UPDATE: (CC from slickdeal)
Ok, so I have some more interesting information about this whole ordeal and
what it means for us. American Express is definitely well aware that this
special offer has gone viral. I also confirmed that it was in fact only
meant to be targeted to a small group of people (recent Columbia Graduates).
It was also (supposedly) supposed to only be valid until 5/11 (two days
prior to the posting on SD). But as we all know, for some reason none of
that was ever mentioned in t... 阅读全帖
y**y
发帖数: 1261
48
Update from Original Slick deal Post:
Ok, so I have some more interesting information about this whole ordeal and
what it means for us. American Express is definitely well aware that this
special offer has gone viral. I also confirmed that it was in fact only
meant to be targeted to a small group of people (recent Columbia Graduates).
It was also (supposedly) supposed to only be valid until 5/11 (two days
prior to the posting on SD). But as we all know, for some reason none of
that was ever ment... 阅读全帖
C******s
发帖数: 813
49
通篇废话 看最后一句就行了

Update from Original Slick deal Post:
Ok, so I have some more interesting information about this whole ordeal and
what it means for us. American Express is definitely well aware that this
special offer has gone viral. I also confirmed that it was in fact only
meant to be targeted to a small group of people (recent Columbia Graduates).
It was also (supposedly) supposed to only be valid until 5/11 (two days
prior to the posting on SD). But as we all know, for some reason none of
tha... 阅读全帖
b******n
发帖数: 4559
50
Conversion Options
PayPal offers two ways to convert currency when you purchase from a seller
who uses a different currency than yours.
The PayPal currency conversion process
The MasterCard and Visa currency conversion process
Please select your option below:
1。 Use PayPal's conversion process to complete my transaction using
my card's currency.
Both the original transaction currency and the converted amount that I will
be charged are disclosed for my convenience. I understand tha... 阅读全帖
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