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f********8
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Undecided voters只是在“不投票”和“投床铺”之间挣扎。因为all you have to
know about Hillary is already out there。最后一个多月谁还指望Hillary端出个新
菜?
所以到如今还没有决定的人,主要还是在观察床铺。毕竟他是政治新人,undecided
voters要尽量多收集信息再做判断。看poll的时候不妨把undecided的百分比打个对折
,归类到床铺的那边。恩,就这样。
m********e
发帖数: 1391
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对, trump lover vs trump hater
没有床轮子或许床粉能更多一些
[在 formitbbs8 (formitbbs8) 的大作中提到:]
:Undecided voters只是在“不投票”和“投床铺”之间挣扎。因为all you have to
:know about Hillary is already out there。最后一个多月谁还指望Hillary端出个
新菜?
:所以到如今还没有决定的人,主要还是在观察床铺。毕竟他是政治新人,undecided
:voters要尽量多收集信息再做判断。看poll的时候不妨把undecided的百分比打个对折
:,归类到床铺的那边。恩,就这样。
i*******e
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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/10/19/cnn_focus_group_trump_won_third_debate_10-5.html
CNN Focus Group Of Undecided Voters: Trump Won Third Debate 10-5
A CNN focus group of undecided voters picks Donald Trump as the winner of
the third debate, by a margin of 10-5. Six remained undecided.
l****z
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Sunday, 01 Jan 2012 09:00 AM
The volatile Republican presidential race in Iowa will come down to which
way an enormous chunk of undecided voters breaks in the coming days.
With the first-in-the-nation voting of the 2012 race for the White House
looming Tuesday, Mitt Romney is contending for victory in a state that
eluded him four years ago, while Rick Santorum — a hero among social
conservatives — surges and libertarian-leaning Ron Paul slides in a contest
that remains incredibly fluid.
With man... 阅读全帖
T**********2
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我认为到现在了不会再有undecided的人了,那些说undecided的,要么是不想跟别人说
他会选谁,要么就是两个候选人都不喜欢,不打算出来投票的。
S***E
发帖数: 1977
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八年前的总统选举NPR说了一句实话,根本没有多少undecided voters。媒体之所以渲
染undecided voters的重要性,是因为如果实实在在按照decided voters报道,根本不
新鲜,新闻没人看。

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Undecided都是假的.这么火热的选战,这么两极的对手,怎么可能Undecided.
k********0
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"今年undecided voters其实没妖婆什么事"
make sense.
a**********r
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属实。
这次undecided voters主要看的就是TRUMP在HILLARY的UNDER SKIN式的攻击下会不会发
飙,只要他说出crooked Hillary他就输了。TRUMP表现得紧张,不自然,甚至某些时候
有些嘴笨,但能克制,还是有点presidential的样子。
j**********r
发帖数: 3798
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对老妖婆的不信任来源于各种scandal。对trump的不信任来源于老妖婆烧钱的各种广告
抹黑。辩论一看老妖婆没啥新意呀。黑8哪生的很重要吗,trump几十年前骂了一个胖妞
是猪很重要吗?倒是Trump给出了保护工作的做法,行不行试试总比不变的好。这在
rust belt绝对是横扫undecided。
老妖婆没戏了,子弹打光了。那边手里还有一堆手雷没出呢。要是wikileak发大招,把
email露出来一堆金主,那就是横扫的节奏。
C******y
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来自主题: NCAA版 - Cyrus Kouandjio remains undecided
The relationship between Auburn and five-star offensive lineman Cyrus
Kouandjio of Hyattsville (Md.) DeMatha, left up in the air on National
Signing Day, remained that way on Thursday.
After announcing Wednesday morning on national television he was heading to
Auburn, Kouandjio -- the No. 3 player in the ESPNU 150 -- never signed his
national letter of intent and remained undecided between Auburn, Alabama and
New Mexico.
Thursday, questions outnumbered answers. Kouandjio returned to school
Thurs... 阅读全帖
g******4
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Naperville North High School (读书好去藤校 4 人; 9 人 cannot find )
[36 SEMIFINALISTS IN THE 2015 NATIONAL MERIT ...]
(1) Meghana Machireddy (Cornell University)
Cornell University or
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
(2) Michael Sun Dartmouth College
(3) Amy Tien Princeton University
(4) Tony Zhou Harvard University or Yale University
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(*) Crystal Chen Undecided
(*) Elizabeth Chang Undecided
(*) Br... 阅读全帖
g******4
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来自主题: Chicago版 - 请教在Long Grove买房

http://www.naperville203.org/cms/lib07/IL01904881/Centricity/Domain/4/Excellence%20in%20Education%20program.pdf
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Naperville North High School (读书好去藤校 4 人; 6 人 cannot find )
[36 SEMIFINALISTS IN THE 2015 NATIONAL MERIT ...]
(1) Meghana Machireddy (Cornell University)
Cornell University or
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
(2) Michael Sun Dartmouth College
(3) Amy Tien Princeton University
(4) Tony Zhou Harvard Unive... 阅读全帖
h*******s
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来自主题: USANews版 - Polls: Mac is closing in zz
Final Mason-Dixon battleground numbers: dead heat" (HotAir)
Colorado: Obama 49, McCain 44, Undecided 4
Florida: Obama 47, McCain 45, Undecided 7
Nevada: Obama 47, McCain 43, Undecided 8
Pennsylvania: Obama 47, McCain 43, Undecided 9
Virginia: Obama 47, McCain 44, Undecided 9
Ohio: McCain 47, Obama 45, Undecided 6
Missouri: McCain 47, Obama 46, Undecided 5
North Carolina: McCain 49, Obama 46, Undecided 5
As Brad Coker, who runs the Mason-Dixon poll, notes, the vast majority of the undecided voter
l****z
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October 17, 2012 by DJ Drummond
As expected, the media is casting the Second Presidential Debate as a win
for Barack Obama. This is no surprise, not only due to the known bias in
broadcast media, but also to keeping the drama alive in the election race.
Anyone saying Romney won Tuesday’s debate is essentially saying the
election is over. There’s a lot of advertising money to be made or lost on
the question of when and how the election is decided, so two losses into
the debate series, the med... 阅读全帖
g******4
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[36 SEMIFINALISTS IN THE 2015 NATIONAL MERIT ...]
18 中国孩子
999 Chang, Undecided
209 Guan, Undecided
160 Hu, Northwestern University or Washington University
450 Hu, University of California -Berkeley
843 Li, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Physics
162 Liu, Undecided
999 Shen, Computer Science University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
628 Sun, Dartmouth College
628 Tang, Biology School: University of Illinois atChicago
209 Tao, University of Michigan in Ann Arbor
628 Tien, Princeton ... 阅读全帖
c****x
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蛮有意思的调查结果
http://www.quora.com/If-the-Hong-Kongese-have-a-choice-will-they-choose-to-be-a-colony-of-the-UK-or-to-be-a-land-of-China
Robert Charles Lee, Printbroker, financial printer, non-practising lawyer
Answered Thu
I’ve actually done several short informal surveys of that — spanning 30+
years from when the matter first cropped up in the 1980s, then again before
the 1997 and after it, and another one around 5 years ago.
It was an irresistible thing to do — especially in the face of all those ... 阅读全帖
g********d
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Posted on Advocate.com June 08, 2011 06:50:00 PM ET
Queens United, Almost, for Marriage Equality
By Julie Bolcer
A substantial contingent of elected officials, labor leaders, and other
advocates hosted a press conference Wednesday to show support for marriage
equality in Queens, N.Y., a borough represented by two undecided state
senators key to passage of the legislation.
The event, which brought together federal, state, and local leaders,
signaled the start of the final, intensified push for ma... 阅读全帖
c****x
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: cccpwx (flg政庇小学生), 信区: Military
标 题: If the Hong Kongese have a choice, will they choose to be a colony of the UK or to be a land of Chin
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Aug 11 20:58:20 2018, 美东)
蛮有意思的调查结果
http://www.quora.com/If-the-Hong-Kongese-have-a-choice-will-they-choose-to-be-a-colony-of-the-UK-or-to-be-a-land-of-China
Robert Charles Lee, Printbroker, financial printer, non-practising lawyer
Answered Thu
I’ve actually done several short informal surveys of that — spanni... 阅读全帖
g******4
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来自主题: Chicago版 - 请教在Long Grove买房

http://adc.d211.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/2015-Semifinalists-Natl-Merit-Program.pdf
[36 SEMIFINALISTS IN THE 2015 NATIONAL MERIT ...]
18 中国孩子
999 Chang, Undecided
209 Guan, Undecided
160 Hu, Northwestern University or Washington University
450 Hu, University of California -Berkeley
843 Li, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Physics
162 Liu, Undecided
999 Shen, Computer Science
School: University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign
628 Sun, Dartmouth College
628 Tang, Biology
School: U... 阅读全帖
g******4
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来自主题: Chicago版 - 学区房 HS and 中国孩子 at them
*** NAPERVILLE NORTH H. S (18 out of 36) *** [1]
18 中国孩子
999 Chang, Undecided
209 Guan, Undecided
160 Hu, Northwestern University or Washington University
450 Hu, University of California -Berkeley
843 Li, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Physics
162 Liu, Undecided
999 Shen, Computer Science: UIUC
628 Sun, Dartmouth College
628 Tang, Biology: University of Illinois atChicago
209 Tao, University of Michigan in Ann Arbor
628 Tien, Princeton University
600 Wong, Undecided
628 Wong, Und... 阅读全帖
g******4
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来自主题: Chicago版 - Re: 续 boston suburb 买房 (转载)

哪里东北大学 ??
*** NAPERVILLE NORTH H. S (18 out of 36) *** [1]
18 中国孩子
160 Hu, Northwestern University or Washington University
450 Hu, University of California -Berkeley
843 Li, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Physics
999 Shen, Computer Science: UIUC
628 Sun, Dartmouth College
628 Tang, Biology: University of Illinois atChicago
209 Tao, University of Michigan in Ann Arbor
628 Tien, Princeton University
302 Wu, University of California -Berkeley
455 Xu, Northwestern University
629 Zha... 阅读全帖
t******l
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来自主题: Military版 - 弃婴就是物理界的雷公太极!
我目测弃婴确实是学物理的,症状是计算科学的基本名词伊不知道。。。比如不管有多
少计算力,还都无法计算的难题,计算科学上叫 undecidable problem。。。而且有些
undecidable 是可以证明的。。。而弃婴争论的那个,如果不是指 theoretical
undecidable,至少也是指 practical undecidable。。。而弃婴的讨论思路,跟计算
科学上互扯 practical undecidable 特么实在是完全不在一个频道上。。。
所以弃婴应该是学物理的没跑。。。


: 这些都是知识点,不知道不奇怪。
s*f
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特朗普法国归来
恼羞成怒
2018 midterms update: What has changed since election night
By Kyle Blaine and Jennifer Agiesta,
Sinema gives tribute to McCain in victory speech
Sinema defeats McSally in Arizona Senate race
Now Playing
The election results are in. Now what?
Meet the only woman to give birth 3 times while serving in Congress
Late-night hosts dissect Trump's Putin grin
WH aide to exit after Melania pushed for ouster
WaPo writer: Does anyone love military less?
NYT: Audio could implicate Saudi Crown ... 阅读全帖
g********d
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来自主题: QueerNews版 - Mehlman Lobbies for New York Marriage
Posted on Advocate.com June 07, 2011 10:35:00 AM ET
Mehlman Lobbies for New York Marriage
By Julie Bolcer
Former Republican National Committee chair Ken Mehlman took his most visible
step to date for marriage equality in New York Monday when he traveled to
Albany to lobby undecided state lawmakers on the bill that could receive a
vote in less than two weeks.
The visit, which included a brief media availability with state capitol
reporters, marked an unusually public display of involvement from M... 阅读全帖
s***5
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-why-our-model-is-more-bullish-than-others-on-trump/
As I wrote last week, Hillary Clinton is probably going to become the next
president. But there’s an awful lot of room to debate what “probably”
means.
FiveThirtyEight’s polls-only model puts Clinton’s chances at 85 percent,
while our polls-plus model has her at 83 percent. Those odds have been
pretty steady over the past week or two, although if you squint you can see
the race tightening just... 阅读全帖
g******4
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读书好去藤校 都在这里:
http://www.naperville203.org/cms/lib07/IL01904881/Centricity/Do
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Naperville Central High School (读书好去藤校 5 人; 2 人 找不到)
[23 SEMIFINALISTS IN THE 2015 NATIONAL MERIT ...]
(1) Joy Chiu Yale University
(2) Sophia Heiser University of Pennsylvania
(3) Siqi Liu Undecided (Harvard)
(4) Andrea Lin University of Pennsylvania
(5) Sanjay Subramanian
University of Pennsylvania or Carnegie Mellon University
(University of Pennsylvania)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sanjayss34
-----------... 阅读全帖
E********t
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来自主题: NCAA版 - 麦当劳名单 NC State独中三元
Name Position College
Kyle Anderson SF UCLA
DaJuan Coleman C Syracuse
Kris Dunn PG Providence
Perry Ellis PF Kansas
Shaq Goodwin PF Memphis
Gary Harris SG Michigan State
Amile Jefferson PF Undecided
Tyler Lewis PG N.C. State
Tony Parker PF Undecided
Alex Poythress SF Kentucky
Rodney Purvis SG N.C. State
T.J. Warren SF N.C. State
WEST TEAM
Name Position College
Brandon ... 阅读全帖
z****0
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这是俺收到的最后一封80-20邮件,是吴先生发的。贴上来供大家参考。
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From: S. B. Woo ;
To: ;
Subject: Why the Self Empowerment Long-term Fund?
Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2013 4:05:05 PM
As the acronym SELF implies, it may signify that henceforth Asian
Ams possess the
self-confidence, wisdom, courage and the caring
for justice and equal opportunity
to put up OUR OWN money in order to fight OUR OWN battles t... 阅读全帖
g********2
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Speaking exclusively to Breitbart News, political polling pioneer Pat
Caddell said the Reuters news service was guilty of an unprecedented act of
professional malpractice after it announced Friday it has dropped the “
Neither” option from their presidential campaign tracking polls and then
went back and reconfigured previously released polls to present different
results with a reinterpretation of the “Neither” responses in those polls.
“This comes as close as I have ever seen to cooking the resu... 阅读全帖
i**********k
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Post Debate Poll: Clinton Won on Performance, Trump Won Votes
A Post Debate Poll conducted after the presidential showdown at Hofstra
University finds Hillary Clinton put on the best performance, but Donald
Trump won votes. While voters 47% to 44% think that Mrs. Clinton “won the
first presidential debate,” Mr. Trump won over undecided voters who changed
their mind by nearly a 3 to 1 margin.
Nine percent (9%) were undecided on the question of who won the debate.
Among those who were undecided (5... 阅读全帖
z****0
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这是俺收到的最后一封80-20邮件,贴上来供大家参考。
-------------------------------------------------------------
From: S. B. Woo ;
To: ;
Subject: Why the Self Empowerment Long-term Fund?
Sent: Mon, Oct 7, 2013 4:05:05 PM
As the acronym SELF implies, it may signify that henceforth Asian
Ams possess the
self-confidence, wisdom, courage and the caring
for justice and equal opportunity
to put up OUR OWN money in order to fight OUR OWN battles to WIN
O... 阅读全帖
M****m
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看看谁支持谁反对:
支持:萨班,慕斯长,少一脉,丹木林,肖大伟,喉科,蛋痛鸟,等
反对:市长,Bielema,Spurrier,Charlie Strong
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11320309/majorit
SEC
YES: Alabama's Nick Saban, Florida's Will Muschamp, Kentucky's Mark Stoops,
LSU's Les Miles, Mississippi State's Dan Mullen, Ole Miss' Hugh Freeze,
Tennessee's Butch Jones
NO: Arkansas' Bret Bielema, Georgia's Mark Richt, Missouri's Gary Pinkel,
South Carolina's Steve Spurrier, Vanderbilt's Derek Mason
Undecided: Auburn's Gus Malzahn, Texas A&M's Kevi... 阅读全帖
m**c
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A close race will, meanwhile, be made even more uncertain by the unusually
high number of voters who are still undecided or planning to vote for third
parties.
A recent Wall Street Journal/BNC poll shows that 13% of voters are undecided
; in 2012 the figure at the same time was 8%. Add to those the voters who
say they will plump for Libertarian Gary Johnson or Jill Stein of the Green
Party, and around a quarter of voters haven’t nailed their colours to the
Trump or Clinton mast.
Third party vote... 阅读全帖
x******g
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来自主题: Military版 - 习近平采取了我的建议了吗?
现在俄亥俄州的大豆农民已经开始抱怨狼脯的贸易战了。
他们其中一个说:给你们打个谜语:我跟一个亿万富翁睡觉,他说他爱我。我期待着他
的爱但第二天被他抛弃,并想用钱来堵住我的嘴巴。
我是谁啊?我不是一个模特或妓女,我是美国农民!
Let me tell you a riddle.
“I slept with a billionaire because he said he loved me. I expected to make
love, but in the morning I realized I was getting screwed. When I went to
tell the world, I was offered cash to keep my mouth shut.”
Who am I? No, I’m not a model or someone named Stormy. I’m the American
farmer.
形势不好啊。狼脯赶到俄亥俄州去助选。共和党的候选人只有44%的支持。而民主党的
对手有43%。
另外独立选民有11%的选票。
你想想,狼脯的贸易... 阅读全帖
l****z
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Poll Shows 62% of Voters Oppose Obama's Amnesty Plan for Illegal Immigrants,
Only 26% in Favor
by [email protected]
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l****z
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Voters Overwhelmingly Oppose Imperial President’s Lawless Amnesty
by Jammie via Jammie Wearing Fools
Ever since Obama decided to throw a post-election temper tantrum by
legalizing millions of lawbreakers there’s been a dearth of polls. We
finally found one and the people definitely aren’t on his side.
Most voters oppose President Obama’s reported plan to unilaterally
grant amnesty to several million illegal immigrants and think Congress
should challenge him in court if he goes ahead with it.... 阅读全帖
b*****d
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A new statewide poll gives Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton double-digit
leads in the lead up to the Arizona’s March 22 presidential primaries.
But 30 percent of Republican and 26 percent of Democratic voters say they
are still undecided.
Arizona pollster Bruce Merrill conducted the survey along with Phoenix-based
Westgroup Research.
Among Republicans, Trump leads with 31 percent. The business mogul has led
in other Arizona surveys.
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz is second with 19 percent followed by Flori... 阅读全帖
V**3
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很多人都指出这个问题了,在GE中要争取的对象和在primary中的不一样
在primary中的共和党选民,在过去8年中由于民主党当政而积聚了愤怒,默认都是仇恨
/讨厌希拉拉/奥巴马/民主党的,关注的是几个候选人的policy,primary比拼的是铁杆
支持者的人数
GE中是比拼谁能convert undecided人群, 很多undecided 是墙头草,很多人并不认为
过去8年多么可怕(认为可怕的就不是undecided了),这些人的投票会被一些鸡毛蒜皮
的小事,比如你的风度,你的大嘴,你的manner所左右,这不理性,但是是现实
H****S
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来自主题: USANews版 - Trump在PA领先希婆5点
http://www.cbs8.com/story/32806609/trump-leads-clinton-by-5-points-in-the-key-battleground-state-of-pennsylvania
Trump Leads Clinton by 5+ Points in the Key Battleground State of
Pennsylvania
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has surged to a 5-point lead
over democratic rival Hillary Clinton in the key battleground state of
Pennsylvania as per a latest poll.
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania - August 21, 2016 - (Newswire.com)
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump has surged to ... 阅读全帖
g********2
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2016 looks like a repeat of 1980
You probably remember that in September 1980 voters were couldn’t wait to
cast a vote for Reagan.
If you remember it like that, you remember wrong. At least a little wrong.
TIME magazine examined voter sentiment in its September 15, 1980, issue.
Voters that year sounded a lot like voters this year. Here’s how TIME’s Ed
Magnuson summarized the voters of 1980:
Disenchanted, but not apathetic. Caring about issues, although much more
concerned about character. Lo... 阅读全帖
p*****n
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关于最近的 poll 就是这个问题。虽然大多数 显示希拉里领先,但是有相当数量的
undecided, third-party.
表面看起来 Romney 对 Obama 时, Obama 领先的和现在 Hillary 领先差不多,但是
那时几乎没有 undecided vote.
这些 undecided vote, 应该有相当大部分会转向 trump, 加上希拉里的 base 热情不
高, turnout 不高, 到时希拉里就悬了。
b*********h
发帖数: 1001
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来自主题: USANews版 - Post debate poll 来了:Trump surge!
Of individuals that changed their mind:
Q10 change mind to
undecided to trump 34%
to trump 29%
to clinton 27%
undecided to clinton 5%
中间两个to trump
to clinton 是啥意思?
undecided to trump 不是已经是没决定的转向trump了吗
又来个选项to trump是啥?
i**********k
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来自主题: USANews版 - 今天Rasmussen的民调分析。。。
Friday, October 14, 2016
At the close of a week that began with him trailing by seven points, Donald
Trump still holds a slight lead over Hillary Clinton in today’s White House
Watch survey despite a flurry of news reports alleging a history of sexual
harassment on his part.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely
U.S. Voters shows Trump with 43% support to Clinton’s 41%. That’s
unchanged from yesterday. Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson picks up six
percent ... 阅读全帖
d*****s
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来自主题: USANews版 - Trump最多拿264张票
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-where-are-the-undecided-voters/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
如果undecided或者第3党里面所有票的2/3给Trump,Hillary只拿到1/3,那算下来按照http://www.270towin.com/来分票,Trump能拿到Florida,Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, 还是不够270票。Hillary能拿273票。
当然如果Trump在undecided里面可以拿》2/3,那在Minnesota和Colorado里面还有希望
d*****s
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来自主题: USANews版 - Trump最多拿264张票
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-where-are-the-undecided-voters/?ex_cid=2016-forecast
如果undecided或者第3党里面所有票的2/3给Trump,Hillary只拿到1/3,那算下来按照http://www.270towin.com/来分票,Trump能拿到Florida,Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Utah, 还是不够270票。Hillary能拿273票。
当然如果Trump在undecided里面可以拿》2/3,那在Minnesota和Colorado里面还有希望
S*******i
发帖数: 2018
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来自主题: USANews版 - Show How You Feel, Kavanaugh Was Told
NYT这篇写的有点意思
http://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/us/politics/kavanaugh-vote-confirmation-process.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
Show How You Feel, Kavanaugh Was Told, and a Nomination Was Saved
WASHINGTON — Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh sat in the anteroom of Room 216 in
the Hart Senate Office Building, a sterile, living-room-like space with a
couch and a couple of armchairs and a large television on the wall. His
chances of joining the Supreme Court seemed to be vanishing. “Disaster... 阅读全帖
t******l
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来自主题: Parenting版 - 数学家出的智力题
我刚才早上急吼吼敲错一个,应该是需要 nondeterministic-abstract-machine
(比如 nondeterministic Turing machine)。
具体而言,对于 deterministic-abstract-machine,对于 n > 2 的情况,不管
纯数学家的数学归纳法怎么看,由于本题里逻辑空间里的对称性的存在(对称性
imply 香浓的 indistinguishable),任何 deterministic-abstract-machine
在任何天的输出必然是 “等待” 而不是 “自杀”,导致所有 deterministic-
abstract-
machine 永远都锁在 “等待”,不出现任何 “自杀” 的情况。。。
当然理论计算科学家学究的黑话,是这个 problem (n>2 的情况) 对于 deterministic-
abstract-machine 是属于 undecidable problem。。。因为这个 decision
problem 实际上是 decide 自己的眼睛颜色(而不是简单的自行了断与否)。。。
所以 “等待... 阅读全帖
t******l
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发现这句话还是挺有意思的。
“Moreover, the equality of two computable numbers is an undecidable problem
. ”
(BTW:wiki 没有敲错字,这里指的是 equality by computation,一位一位比过去,
就算是一百万个零也不知道下一个是不是零,所以 undecidable)
其实如果沿用这个马工学角度的说法看希尔伯特旅馆,就是希尔伯特的塞个新旅客进去
的算法,让新旅客能不能拿到房间钥匙的 yes or no 的问题,成为一个马工学上的
undecidable problem。

yields
.
.
z*****3
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来自主题: LeisureTime版 - 逻辑和计算机
首先,halting problem和 Godel's incompleteness theorem必然联系。Godel讲的就
是undecidability.我想你是没上过symbolic logic. 要学Godel's incompleteness
theorem必须先学decidability和undecidability。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Formally_Undecidable_Propositio
这篇文章就是出处。
其次,这里的不自洽性是inconsistent,和soundness没关系。Godel 我上symbolic
logic的时候老师是这样翻译的。soundness应该翻译成可靠性。
所以他说的是对的,
“Any effectively generated theory capable of expressing elementary
arithmetic cannot be both consistent and complete”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göd... 阅读全帖
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