c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 1 well, the raising range is actually normal, slightly tight. The chance
for any two cards with rank at least queen is 4.98% plus a few
big pairs, that would consist his raising hands, which is actually
tight, but not absurd for a full ring game. 32% of vpip includes
any two cards with rank at least 9, which is 20.8% plus a few low
pairs and suit/non-suited
connectors, which is certainly loose, but also not absurd
at all. Anybody play this starting requirement can win in any low limit
game if he p |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 2 和谐和谐,今天真爽,碰到一个vpip=70的大鱼, 然后我看到他limp我也limp,哈哈, 不过
丫运气真好, 总能draw out,或者直接flop full house, quads什么的 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 3 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 得意一下 装了Pokertrack 3, 分析了自己4000手得牌， 帽似VPIP和PFR都在最佳值， AF>3， 属
于超级凶得那种。
HOHO |
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l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 4 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 得意一下 what are your vpip and per numbers? :) |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 5 he is super fish with
51/2( VPIP/Pre flop raise) |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 6 need learn the game from you.
By the way, what is your estimated VPIP, and preflop raise percentage? and
what is your aggression factor? |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 Maybe you still play too few. I play a ton when I play cash game, usually 6+
table, 3-4 hours per session.
So, suck out other ppl sometimes and of course, they will bad beats me.
When you play such volume, the variance is little. I am ok with 5BB/100
hands. I usually play 6max. even, 6 table, my vpip still 30%, pfr 20%.
and |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 It really sucks sometimes to play these low buy-in turbo games. 12 people
left (9 people gets paid). EP Chip leader 20k chips (running vpip 50 14)
limp in. Another guy limp in behind. I got 9k ( rank 7th or so) chips and
blinds was running 1200. I shoved with KK and Chip leader called with JQ. I
have no idea what the heck he is thinking to limp and call shove with JQ. I
can almost live with him shove JQ EP. but limp calling is really retarded
honestly.
I don't even need to double up on this id |
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c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 9 played 1h PLO25 and 1h NL25, both up couple of buy-ins. game is
tightpreflop, but so bad postflop. ppl stack off lighter than ring games,
even more so in plo...
bad news: there is no more 80 vpip donks, they can just fold and play next
hand in 2 secs.
bad news: no HUD, no read
good news: ppl stick withthe hands they play more postflop. stack off light
with tptk
good news: they don't have HUD on you. if you play 100/100 (raise every
hand) they don't know. just play hyperagressive and they ha |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 10 my vpip is about 14%, I probably should cut down to 12% in rush poker.
Played too many marginal hands at early position. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 15 is not tight bah, hehe, and to be accurate, it's between 15-19 most of
time.
one major leak i fixed was:
1) no limp or very few;
2) defend more SB/BBs, and resteal.
am |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 i attempted to steal here and there as well from sb bb. Sometimes it works.
but when it doesn't it becomes very costly. 9X 3 bets and half pot c bet at
least 10X bb. if it gets called then you have to shut down. 20X bb goes
away fast. It is more effective button reraise LP Co open, at least you
have got position. If you think about why would you put yourself in a
position to be bluffing out of position. 3 bet and shut down if gets called
might be ok if you target your audience right. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 i steal/re-steal from the right people, hehe.
like against those robotic button 3x guys, success rate is about 90%. i just
can't believe one guy who i have re-stolen everyday from still doesn't seem
to have a note on me! they're just so amazingly straight forward, "i'm
button, if all fold to me, i 3x with whatever...". the smaller stacks, the
more likely they do so.
i steal from CO guys a lot too (at button), 50% of time i'll re-raise them
right away, with position, even they call, i got a lot p |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 15 do you c bet from sb bb if your reraise gets called or just give up?
I used to 3 bet in position like button vs co or bb vs sb, then I realize it
is better just call. I believe in stealing small pot in position. To blow
up the pot before it even gets to flop is something i do not like to see. I
am also strongly against bluffing a big pot out of position with a bet size
that is too big and once it gets called you know you have to
give up the pot. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 depending a lot on the specific players, my c-bet win rate is about 70%.
the key is that most LP stealers don't really have an OK hand to call c-bet
anyway. if your pre-flop raise is kind of small, sometimes they might be
suspicious and will take a flop.
but most flops miss most hands, an Axx flop or 3 low cards flop will drive
them away. be more careful with Kxx, Qxx or 8s9sJx alike flops though since
they could hit their loose ranges more likely.
stack size is another important factor, you don |
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c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 17 king, do u still play some normal FR game? or u r full time rush now? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 18 i still play regular 50NL on other sites, like 20%.
i might start to play more on PS too. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 the problem with out of position and reraise pot is that once your c-bets
gets called. you pretty much have to give it up or it will get really costly
for you. it became not profitable anymore. Unless you want to play like
this guy.
I have 10 5s. I raise preflop 3.5X button. bb reraise me 8X, i call. I
normally fold but this time I was on a gambling mood.
the flop is JQ6 with a flush draw but not my suit.
He c bets half pot, I feel the c-bet is very weak from him. So i floated.
turn is a 7, h |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 well, i'd not raise with any 2. even for stealing, my hands still need some
quality, because even i know 70% of time they'll fold right away, i still
need to prapare for the other 30%.
overall, it's still about the fundamentals of poker, whether a move is +EV
over time. losing a few c-bets is fine with me, and i don't expect stealing/
re-stealing will push my overall wins up much, or, just use them as a small
weapon.
it helps me a lot in really analyzing my opponents' hand ranges. even pure
bluf |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 21 I try to keep my stack size around 60 BB from now on, that worked out pretty
well for me yesterday. The stack size is also important for stealing
attempt. If you have deep stack, one with a deep stack would call you much
more often with the implied odds. And Cbet would work less often once he
hits something. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 lol, finally you came to join me with that magical 60 number.
i like it, a size even when i got sucked out, easy to come back.
pretty |
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R***c
发帖数: 13 | 23 So you guys actually cash out whenever you reach 60BB then re-buy with
smaller stack?
I usually buyin with 100BB (NL50 Rush) and wouldn't cash out even when i
double the stack... Got backfired once in a while against deep stack but
also allows me to win some big pots too.
I think the key is to know when to fold (e.g. TPTP, Overpair etc) so the
downside of having big stack doesn't hurt you as much. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 24 I cash out when I reach 100BB+. Rebuy with 60bb, this reduce the variance
and you get bluffed less often. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25 (6) "I am ALL-IN."
The game continued and I played my regular tight game. I usually
play rush 25 on-line with vpip of 12 7. I was probably pretty close on the raise rate but
with a little more on the limp rate. I even limped under the gun a few
times with suited connectors because I had my big plan in the future.
Soon another hand came up with 1 limp ahead, the Russian raised to 12$ LP
and Cutoff called. I looked down and saw one black and one red rocket.
Pocket As! No need to slow |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 Microstake cash game all have heavy rakes. it is true for FR too. Playing
NL 25. Everyweek we got rackback 40$ at least. 22% rack back, so we got raked 181$
every week. that is at least 3bb/100 hand. Of course you get to fold a lot
of hands, if your vpip is 16 8, so you in fact only play 1/8th of the hands.
HU, you are playing almost every hand or at least 50% of the hands? so if
you think about it, 10bb/100hand is really not too much worse than FR..
can |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 27 It does track the hands lively. Otherwise, it's not that useful. I guess
ppls hand range base on their vpip and Pfr ratio. At least you can tell they
're loose aggressive or tight aggressive and having an idea of their 3 bet
range. |
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s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 28 Thx a lot. I know Pfr, I guess. What is vpip?
Anyone have it to share the license(I can pay).
they |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 29 I can share with you. We can split the cost. vpip means the percentage pots
you play. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 Reading the book non-limit holdem theory and practice. It appears to me that
they advocate more limping than raising preflop. The reason is that it is
better to keep inferior hand in to win a bigger pot than to win a mere
blinds. Does it make sense? Half of the hand they recomment limp, i would
even raise with. i only run vpip 13 7 or so. so are they suggesting to have
something 18 6 for vpipd?
Any comments? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 i guess open limp or follow limp are different, it doesn't hurt to limp more
if your VPIP is kind of low, but should be in good position no matter what.
that
is
have |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 you are the one squeezed at button vs utg limp and my co limp last night.. i knew utg has pocket As before he even reraised you because he has vpip of 10 or something very very tight. I was waiting to bust him until you come along.. lol
you owe me a stack, maybe we should call it even.. ^_^ |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 33 LOL, really? Sorry about that then, maybe I saved you money.. :)
I just send the key to your email, please check. Wish you and me good luck
in our future game!!
i knew utg has pocket As before he even reraised you because he has vpip of
10 or something very very tight. I was waiting to bust him until you come
along.. lol |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 34 hud更新明显跟不上。感觉rush的原理就是同时开9张（6 for 6max）桌子，每张桌子你
占定一个position，一张桌子fold了就换过来另一张，但是fold掉那张还在继续，打到
showdown了pt3还是能有显示的，只是这时候你不定在哪张桌上了...so...rush时候的
hud显示完全对不上，包括自己的，vpip/pfr总是在变...之后看pt3记录也是，9个
session，同一个table name，9个position，每个都是不一样的数据...有高手知道咋
解决这个问题吗？ |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 35 I already planned check raising. Base on my read, button is a maniac. His
vpip/pre was 70/50. But SB's donkey move ruined my plan. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 36 not 100% sure
VPIP/PFR/STEAL/3BET
AGG/FLOP CB/FOLD FLOP CB/HANDS
player NAME |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 37 太惨了... i need to stop donk my stack away by 4 betting with Qs even if donk's vpip is 24/24.
first i run bad then i play bad. 反省 |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 38 。。。24/24 是donk？？
donk's vpip is 24/24. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 39 well, a few points:
1) adjustments are still needed for a new level;
2) don't trust HM too much;
3) sleep and get good rest, i play much better in short sessions when i
focus well.
donk's vpip is 24/24. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 40 preflop loose or tight will not decide whether you are a winner or not... you need a play style to go with your preflop action. and always remember how other people is perceiving you with your vpip values and make use of it to your advantage.
from poker blueprint:
when they feel you are strong, you should bluff more..
when they feel you are weak, you should value bet more... |
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n******1
发帖数: 4742 | 41 PFR%有些低，我是21.7/18，3bet5.4% wtsd28.9%（高了），w$sd51.6
我觉得wtsd w$sd 25/50比较好，不过我打的6max 要比9人桌loose。
我觉得你可以降低vpip，limp的牌fold或者raise。不要call
otherwise
considered
you
playing
what |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 42 This hand is totally by design.. ^_^
utg vpip 86/71, button is 20/20 with 3 bet rate of 20%
i gave button a chance to 3 bet and to see utg's reaction on whether i will
reraise all in.. he flat, i know he has junk. so shooooveee.. lol
I feel so sorry for the two clueless donks..
seems risky with pocket Qs. but I can't have this type of situation all the
time with pocket As.. have to go with my read.. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 43 all deep stake, I 3 bet in BB and he called.
after flop I c bet 2/3 the pot and just want to stop there, he 3 bet me, I
called and dont feel comfortable. On turn he went all in with about 120BB
left. I almost fold over there. the only thing I noticed is that this guy
has over 40 vpip and 3 bet a lot. I decide to gamble and get the rewards. |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 44 Do not know. Sounds you are too tight. I check my cash full ring games, it
shows vpip is 24%, pfr is 23%.
But my final result is not good. Only 1bb/100.
Maybe I need grind more to check if my winrate can go up a little.
difference |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 45 very good result, play a style you fit well.
VPIP and PFR are very very low though, meaning you only play/raise with
almost just premium hands. |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 46 好吧...我承认另外1个多buyin是自己犯错搭进去的...顺便请教下，3-table rush，一
般vpip/pfr应该在什么样的水平？我是14/10，normal cash我是18/14的样子。
不谦虚的说，现在确实比之前read的水平有长进，有些river big bet能读出bluff了（
当然也有读错lose big的时候） |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 47 Answer is "Never Fold"?
hand 1. this guy have vpip 10/7 or something so i didn't 3 bet preflop with
As and he kept firing PSB as i wanted. i was going to shove all in with a small
card on river until K comes out. it actually crossed my mind that he has Ks.
.. but i have to call that...it turned out it was nit on the loose...
Hand 2 is a call down once i called flop as long as flush card don't come
out. He is only representing pocket 5s or spazz bluff. Note: if he keeps
firing when flush card co |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 48 EP raise 3.5$ short stack fish.
LP miniraise to 6.5$, very little hand history. 67 hand vpip 20 17 0% 3 bet
i have QQ at sb..
fish is short stack 50$ me and lp both have 130 $
what do I do?
flat or 3 bet?
if 3 bet how big? if anyone of them come over the top what do i do?
希望大家踊跃发言.. 我觉得自己打坏了.. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 49 主要不想用QQ 来set farming.. 我一flat, EP 跟进来, 我没位置被他俩夹在中间,太难受了...
这miniraise 再shove,很难读, 可能是AA, AK, 也可能donk shove 烂牌... 这4 bet fold
是真亏..他vpip 20 17 也很松了虽然才没几手牌.
不过这牌可能真是weak tight 一点flat pre 的好.. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 50 http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TexasHoldem/31188805.html
主人公是上面这篇里的black guy 和我, 和另一white guy, who has raise utg with
A suited rag and called 3 bet and folded afterwards on a c bet...
I want to talk more about this black guy before I continue. So everyone knows
what type of read i have on him. He has been playing for 29 hours straight,
was up first but now down 500$+.
He loves action. He limp all type of hand and will call any raise even a 15
$ raise, with hands like 89o (his vpip must be like |
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