W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 there is a hand that really put me on tilt yesterday. I notice this guy who
just raise preflop with vpip 24/23, and super aggressive and bet 3 barrel
always. I met him a few times and folded a couple on turns.
and this hand comes up,
I have pocket 9s.
he raise mp 3$, i call LP.
flop QQ4 rainbow,
he goes 2/3 pot. I call.
turn is a 8 he goes 2/3 pot. I call.
river is a 10 he goes 2/3 pot i call.
I had a read and i was going to call down no matter what. and he shows K10o.
. speechless. i run bad. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 请大家拍砖
我昨天fold 了一把set.. 从没turn 就fold 过set on a dry board..
utg vpip is 8/6, flop aggression is 10%, turn aggression is 1%. river is
0%.. typical nits? winning at showdown 100%(only 6 hand).. over all
smallish sample size with couple hundred hands.
MP1: $100.90
MP2: $100.40
CO: $109.30
BTN(Hero ): $100.85
SB: $100.55
BB: $70.35
UTG: $100.25
UTG+1: $100.95
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with 8 8
UTG raises to $3.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, 4 folds
Flop: ($8.50) Q 8 2 (2 players)
UTG bet 5. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 not really that bad, VPIP was high, lol. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 One more interesting hand.
Ep raise 3X farily tight with vpip of 12 8. I am at sb with AdAc. effective
stack is 100. i 3 bet to 11X . pot is 22$
flop is KsQsJd,
i c bet to 14$, EP calls. pot is 50
turn is a 5c
I check, Ep bets 28 $. I call. pot is 106. we both have 47$ left.
River is a Js.
I lead all in. he fold.
Sort of a strange hand. my play was not very consistent. turn is probably a
check shove, but I opt to call and reevaluate. River is a great card for me
. I did't think he was on... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 First of all, I do not advocate cold call 3 bet with AA and I don't even think
I have done it. I just want to say that I see the merit in it and some
regular would do it too sometimes.
Let us construct the perfect example here.
Lets say nitfish Windstormm raise 3$ utg with a vpip of 10/6 raising only 3%
utg, should we say it is pretty clear he has AQ JJ+? Now someone with
pretty wide 3 betting range 3 bet 11X at CO. And we cold call with AA on the
button. Now what would windstormm do if he is ... 阅读全帖 |
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B*********s
发帖数: 4158 | 6 对手比较tight，当时觉得一定要fold，后来想想pod odds大约是3.5:1,是不是应该cal
l呢
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Full Tilt)
$25.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em
Table Apollo (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( $30.17 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $14.39 USD )
Seat 3: Player3 ( $41.44 USD )
Seat 4: Player4 ( $28.32 USD ) - VPIP: 15, PFR: 12, 3B: 14, AF: Infinity, Ha
nds: 26
Seat 5: Player5 ( $12.48 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $25.56 USD )
Seat 7: Player7 ( $25.64 USD )
Seat 8: Player8 ( $32.26 USD )
Seat 9: Her... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 7 Harrington's book has a exact same example and I think it is very useful.
It is all about opponents range and distribution. If he is tight, say vpip/
pfr like 8/8, 10/8, most likely he plays high card or high pair.
A 6d3d6h board is very good flop for 77s against tight player. Most of his
range missed the flop and there is only small pct that he had flush draw. I
like your check-raise on the flop. If he doesn't have a over pair, then it
is very hard for him to proceed.
Note that you can't just c... 阅读全帖 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 8 BB has a nit stats: VPIP = 9/pre = 5; with 150 hands sample |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 9 He is vpip 32 22 12. I am never folding this after I 4 bet.. wasn't my read
spot on? is he the donk 5 bet all in with pocket 10s or am I the fish
calling the 5 bet? lol..
would be a fish to fold this vs a donk...
oh well it is nice to be a lucky fish.. hehe.. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 10 what's your vpip in NL 100? if you don't want to say it in public, you can
pm me. I definitely widened my range in NL50, which kinda increased my
winrate a lot. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 11 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请高手指点 leakbuster 说我除了小盲大盲fold to raise steal还可以之外 其他全fail
说手要紧，但是要多偷盲，3bet要多， pfr/vpip 需要达到78%和90%之间才算合理
请高手们赐教 这些是不是ABC |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 12 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请高手指点 低手说两句。
这些肯定不是ABC了，起码也是EFG，能做到这个标准，领悟到这个程度，并且实战中能
切实使用(而不是似懂非懂)的，起码是100NL以上稳定的TAG赢家了。
"pfr/vpip 需要达到78%和90%之间才算合理"，俺就达不到，70%都差点。
3 bet要多，这个倒同意，敞开了这个口子，甜头比较大，对对手风格，位置感，stack
size等的观察都要比较熟悉。就好比学开车，你要叫新手多踩油门，肯定车毁人亡，
因为这个必须是得结合经验，看路，看路标，看其他行车状况才能综合决定的事情，新
手根本腾不出注意力来干这个。
偷盲，现在有点用得太滥了，即使micro stake里面，尤其是rush games，很多人不自
觉的auto steal，然后又缺乏control的能力，不是乌龟马上缩头认输，就是搬石头砸
脚搞大了下不来台。反过来exploit偷盲者的moves现在也很流行。 |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 13 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请高手指点 pfr/vpip 达到78%和90% is very easy. Mine is 77.8 currently.
Just don't cold call too often. Only cold call with speculative hands when
multiple people in the pot, or very good implied odds. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 14 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请高手指点 If you eliminate all the leaks shown in Leakbuster. I think you're at least
5bb-10bb/100 winning player.
Easy ones to fix is VPIP, pfr, fold to 3 bet percentage, Cbet percentage ... |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 15 偶打 Ｅｌｅｃｔｒｏ(ＮＬ４００), 到目前是3.6/100. I got over 5.1 for
the first 2 weeks,
then dropped after some cooler and bad beat. Also, I was a little tilting
sometime.
I played about 100k hands so far after almost a month. 2 tabling most of
time.
Still have lots of things to improve.
I played a super tight game , my vpip is only 12.5%. Rush is highly
beatable
if you know what you are going. Position and pot control are the key.
Avoiding
put lots of money in post flop with one pair( top top or over pair) ver... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 no longer nitty preflop.
以后就打这数据了..
以前是 vpip 12 8 3... , 再以前是 12 8 1.8~~~~ |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 his vpip is 8 8 4..
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
CO: $100.85
BTN: $192.45
SB: $100.00
BB: $23.75
UTG: $152.75
Hero (UTG+1): $288.55
UTG+2: $50.00
MP1: $172.10
MP2: $22.90
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG+1 with Tc Ts
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 4 folds, BTN raises to $8.50, 2 folds, Hero calls
$5.50
Flop: ($18.50) Jc 9d 7s (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
Turn: ($18.50) 2h (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10, Hero calls $10
River: ($38.... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 vpip 8/8/4 to 3 bet with 34s vs utg +1 open 还是有点奇怪。。。 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 19 I play 3 table of NL25 (9max). I get around 70 FTP points per hour. It is so
slow to accumulate FTP points.
I have very high vpip and pfr also, still very hard to get enough FTP points
. And it is not so easy to earn money from the games at the same time. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 the more nitty you play the faster you will generate your FTP points.
I can get 1k ftp points in little over 2 hours with 3 table NL 100 playing
vpip of 12 or so.. I played until 1am laster night. I already have 496 points for today. I even took care of my daughter at the same time in the first half hour which slow me down a bit. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 21 大小盲直接fold，被统计进vpip否？
总的手数有没有算进盲注之外直接fold的手数？ |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 22 very nice win rate. Your vpip is so high. You open any two cards from button
and CO? |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 对手是个tight reg. 1.3k hand history with vpip 11 6 2.3
one of the notes i have on him
"3 bet with pocket Js and check set flop... and pot turn and pot river"
I 3 bet this hand preflop with AQo to isolate MP. Villian flat behind. He is pretty tight. so he can have JJ QQ AK KK, maybe 1010 KQs and AA. I suspect him to 4 bet most of the time with AA KK. So these two hand needs to weight less in the range especially AA.
Now on the flop, i didn't hit anything. Vs villian's range, I didn't have much fol... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 24 actually tight player's range is relatively easy to figure out. in multi way
part the ppl I am afraid of is those loose goose player. especially those
flop seems wet.
against such a tight player with vpip 10 and pfr 6 and c-3-bet 45, the card
he can call your three bet come down to this: pair jj or higher , Ak suited
or off-suited. that is it. that construct to be 3% of ranges which he can
all your 3-bet range.
AA or Kk is less likely since he face a raise and reraise before him as a
tight reg, ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 25 i dont think it has do with style, rather it is a personality. We are who
we are.
i will never comfortable playing lag style and use my whole stack bluff with
air like tom dwan.
you can be a nit and still win money. my results are dramatically improved
when i cut down my vpip and pfr range in half.
An advantage being a nit is when you go aggressive to a pot, your bluff
almost always get a pass. ppl look at your 12/10 and 55 w$sd, they always
give u respect and let you get away with your bluff. ... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 26 UTG raise 3x with JJ, fold around to BB and he 3bet to 12x. he has a stat of
vpip 8 pfr 4 and 3bet 4.x. I had about 80 hands with him. I folded because
this raise seems a bit bigger than usual and he's so tight ...
my stat should be around 17/12/4 to him. |
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L****n
发帖数: 490 | 27 Just with 700 hand history with you. I noticed you have quite a lot of leaks
. You play too loose preflop. Even at early position, your VPIP is around 15
%. |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 28 opponet always pot 3bet , and he has a 5% 3bet range, 17/14 vpip/pfr
so will you fold? |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 29 you can set the how many hands needed in your HEM to display the stat in
HUD.
so how many hands in your hand history needed for some of these stat to be
meaningful? it seems for the for VPIP, PFR etc, some sample size is OK. (
like 1000? ) but for winning and some other rare stat(like check/raise on
river etc) need a lot more data for the stat to be meaningful.
偶不懂统计， 但觉得很多参数许要很大的样本空间， 另外大家打Rush,
HUD 里面都
加那些数据啊。
谢了！ |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 1K hands is a lot, even for rush, if you've played that many of hands with
someone, he/she must be a reg already.
i have stats on 190K players, most of them about 10-500 hands i guess, some
regs could go up like 3K.
i only use the basic 3 VPIP/PFR/AF, but MM said she uses more, like river
stats, for me, i don't have time to digest all those numbers, at the same
time checking notes.
be |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 有点意思 vpip 22 20 12%. 这种short stack, 他还真以为我没法治他? lol..
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool
from http://www.flopturnriver.com
SB ($133.10)
BB ($43.50)
UTG ($188)
UTG+1 ($381.10)
MP1 ($111.45)
MP2 ($157.40)
MP3 ($96.15)
CO ($106.15)
Hero (Button) ($103)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Jc, Kh
6 folds, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6
Flop: ($18.50) 7d, 9d, 8d (2 players)
BB bets $11, Hero raises to ... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 32 Even vpip 8 6, turn aggression 10% nits knows 2 barrel bluff.. 这牌越来越难打..
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
MP2: $98.00
CO: $610.00
Hero (BTN): $124.90
SB: $80.30
BB: $58.55
UTG: $133.70
UTG+1: $132.30
UTG+2: $109.65
MP1: $240.45
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BTN with Qh Ah
3 folds, MP1 raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $3, 2 folds
Flop: ($7.50) Kd 4c Ad (2 players)
MP1 bets $5, Hero calls $5
Turn: ($17.50) 3h (2 players)
MP1 bets $12, Her... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 33 If I remember correctly, windstormm started by playing tight as well. I
think his EV was close to 12/8 or sth like that, correct me if I am wrong,
windstorm.
I think he plays a lot more aggressive because he was winning a lot of money
and on one hand, give him a lot of confidence to make moves, and the other,
like Fryking says, a big bankroll backs him up and he can withstand any
kind of downswing without effect his mood too much. So it is more money,
more confidence, more confidence result in m... 阅读全帖 |
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s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 34 why not single table rush? care to explain? thanks. Also what does these
number like "19/16", "12/8" you all use? Is it VPIP/PFR number?
join me |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 35 SB has a high VPIP, so his pre-flop 10x 3-bet looks like a re-steal very
much.
but AJs is a good hand, maybe not good enough to call a nit but here call is
fine with position, i guess.
flop, he HAS TO bet most of time to keep his aggression, hit or miss. my
hand has almost no value if he's betting for real. but since he'd miss most
of time, and POSITION is priceless, i can call his bet (size is a little
weak like probe too).
turn, his check gives away everything, i could easily represent a "very... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 36 It is a question about what his 4-bet range gonna be?
So far, we have following information: his vpip 33/25 is a small sample but
indicate he is somewhat a loose aggressive player.
His 4-bet data could be extrmely small and basically useless.
I don't know what stake you are playing, NL100? what is your stack? 100 bb?
Anyway, in rush poker, small stake and micro stake alike, few ppl will be 4-
bet light, even for aggessive player. I will say most of ppl 4-bet range
will be less than 2%, which con... 阅读全帖 |
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s********0
发帖数: 4 | 37 call, river complete，flush check/call or bet/fold,K fullhouse bet/call,
incomplete,check/fold,villian能赢你的range中有一些top range，所以villian的
3bet range很重要，vpip也是一个衡量标准，还有fold to cbet，agg也能看看不过不
太重要，这几个数据可以用来衡量下villian的range，数据不极端的话一般call都是可
以的，我觉得一般pro来玩这种low stake打法都比较standard |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 一月小小结 My stats is consistently at 14 11 nowadays. It is definitely not nitty by any means in rush. You can show your vpip vs mine otherwise. I think it is because I don't play huge amount of big pots. My post flop aggression is very very selective~ My style of play decided that I am a bigger loser on rakeback with the new rake calculation system. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 39 傻瓜也看出来bb has 9, UTG2 has vpip of 6,3.. i also knew he had AA and just can't lay it down... nits can never lay down AA~~~
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
SB: $243.65
BB: $100.00
UTG: $312.05
UTG+1: $149.55
UTG+2: $103.15
Hero (MP1): $291.45
MP2: $126.00
CO: $132.90
BTN: $590.30
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP1 with Jc Jd
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $3, Hero calls $3, 1 fold, CO calls $3, 1 fold, SB
calls $2.50, BB calls $2
Flop: ($15.00) 9s 9d 9h (5 pla... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 40 villian vpip 25 15 15...
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players -
UTG: $100.00
UTG+1: $40.50
UTG+2: $35.40
MP1: $94.60
MP2: $277.40
Hero (CO): $270.15
BTN: $139.95
SB: $100.00
BB: $100.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with Jh Th
5 folds, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, SB raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero calls $7
Flop: ($21.00) 6c 5s 9s (2 players)
SB bets $11, Hero raises to $28, SB calls $17
Turn: ($77.00) Jc (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $77, SB calls $62 ... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 41
yeah. I am definately a nit playing rush. lol. my vpip drops to 11.5 in FR
rush.
when I play HUSNG, I am a super maniac though. Open over 90% button most of
time. :)
I hate hand like KJ in deep stack NL though, I prefer 3 betting with 67
other than KJ. KJ playes very well in HU though. |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 42 Nice call river though... can not be bluffed! admire..
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Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
MP2: $104.60
CO: $190.10
BTN: $40.50
Hero (SB): $150.00
BB: $99.00
UTG: $160.70
UTG+1: $146.60
UTG+2: $135.30
MP1: $532.85
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is SB with Qc Ks
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $3, 1 fold, MP2 calls $3, CO calls $3, 1 fold, Hero
raises to $14, 3 folds, CO calls $11
Flop: ($35.00) Qh 2c 6s (2 players)
... 阅读全帖 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 43 I thought 45/1 is nanostake only stats... |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 45 yeah. I agree with fryking. it is SB vs BB, my 5 bet shoving range is TT-AA
, AQ+.
I run pokerstove, 35o vs that range has about 25% equality.
I almost never put AK preflop with 100 BB unless against very loose
player , not mention AQ. but this SB vs BB, and his stat are extremely
loose VPIP is 36. that is why I made that move.
bigger |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 46 sb stats over 113 hands
VPIP/PFR/3BET/3bet@sb/
23/14/12.2/13/
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 47 朋友 你的数据能晒一下么 输赢倒是其次 我很好奇你的vpip pfr af 以及 cbet rate
还有 3bet 4bet的数据 |
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s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 48 我查了一下HM，我NL100里面raked hands大概有26%
W$WSF是44.3%，差不多11.5%手要贡献.5个bb，贡献的bb应该有5-6 bb/ 100 hand
扣去rakeback的话差不多是3个左右的bb
基本符合事实
NL100晚上10点以后鱼实在太多了，一桌6个人里面平均有2个人VPIP-PFR>20 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 49 $200/hour
-----sounds very strange.
1) live game means only one tabling, generally you will be dealt 40 hands per
hour. I guess only 8-10 hands is playable. If you play all 10 hands, then it
is 25% vpip, which is a lot.
I still make the assumption of 10 hands.
2) $200. Supposing you play 5/10, it is 20BB. Even we do not count the all
other factors in, such as the tips, the commute fee, it is still a lot.
If we calculate the win rate, it is 20BB/40 hands, which is equals to 50BB/
100 hands, I do ... 阅读全帖 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 50 3% VPIP？而且1/3 NL preflop bet 100+？ |
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