d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 1 啊呦妈呀 直接吓尿了
碰到tag reg在中后位，哥一般是不会EP limp太light的哈（笑~）套用最近比较流行的
一句话就是，没玩就已经输在起跑线上了哈
所以还是必须澄清一下，vpip/pfr只是最终的一个appearance，哥声称自己打的多
loose，其实反过来回顾也只有33/17。真实情况往往是，同时开着4到6桌，有些桌子是
40/25，有些桌子是15/12甚至更nit。
决定是否前位limp，需要看后面的对手和table dynamic，either哥觉得range仍然领先
，or哥觉得有非常非常高的implied odds，举个极端的例子，如果table非常soft，
postflop fit or fold，哥甚至愿意limp到any 2。
至于，“碰到有个boring 打法face up 在D神眼中就是一坨屎的TAG REG”，哥还是非
常注重位置和dynamic的，本身跟他们切磋的机会就不多，且在他们没有意识过来之前
，哥基本上都是打nuts line的（笑～）经常见到的情形是，对方骂两句，然后fold哈
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 2 某大神曾经说过，"you should have a bluff range on every decision." preflop
cold 4 bet 也是， best hand to 4 bet is probably a hand with a blocker like
Axs or even total trash at the right spot.
Merge $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players -
MP1: $100.65
MP2: $248.67
CO: $282.33
BTN: $97.00
SB: $143.83
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $96.34
UTG+1: $100.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with X X
5 folds, BTN raises to $3, SB raises to $8.25, Hero raises to $23, BTN
raises to $97, SB fold. HERO?
这里button vpip 16/11/5,... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 3 I thought you guys are playing high stake $400 - $800 games. Then I read
the posts again and realize it is just 0.5 - 1 dollars game.
I see ppl lose a big chunk of stacks all the time in SB, BB, Btn position
playing the steal, re-steal and re-re-steal game. In tournament, I can
understand, but just feel it is so unnecessary in cash game.
Never understand why ppl try to make things so complicated for a simple game
. Holding KQo facing a 5 bet, and players are still thinking their brain out
about... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 4 I found this site: http://www.pokerhandreplays.com/ that can convert ACR hand histories. Yet don't know how to post the converted hands here. Let me know if anyone figures that out...
about this hand, don't have too much read on gilbey. His status is (VPIP/PFR
/3b) 18/11/2.6 over about 80 hands. So, seems like weak tight.
what's your calling range OTR, if you were treydeuce?
In reality, treydeuce tanked for 30s and called with pocket 4s. |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 5 光从这几个指标能得出以下结论：
Total Games: 129 game(s)
一桌打了一个多小时？继续加油
Games Won: won 29 of 129 (22%)
vpip得大于40了吧，玩的太松了，少玩一些pot
Win/Loss: won $7.12
赢钱了，恭喜，拍包子吧
Raise/Call Ratio: 0.7 (26 raises, 37 calls)
preflop call 太多了
Call/Fold Ratio: 0.4 (37 calls, 94 folds)
preflop call 太多了
Bet/Check Ratio: 0.9 (21 bets, 24 checks)
postflop bet 不够
总体而言是好的开始，要注意更加tight aggressive |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 6 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讨论几手牌 Following is the hand-post tips from 2+2, which helps a lot to improve the
quality of the post, plz read.
HAND POSTING TIPS
Just about everything in this section can be observed in every thread that
good, regular posters make - that's not a coincidence! Following these
guidelines is essential to posting a hand that will generate good discussion.
4. Please just include one hand per thread. There are exceptions, such as if
you have a couple hands against the same player or hands that share some
ki... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 7
mm老湿说对了前半段，对手其实已经adjust了，但是是adjust到nit/trapping side，
毕竟来回几个M的chips对桌上的每个人来说都是相当大的价值。可以想象，宁可牺牲掉
几个BB，换来这个小孩一个错误，然后一剑封喉，比起用更凶的打法跟他拼运气来说，
还是非常合算的买卖。
另外，AJ vs 22那手牌确实没有任何借口，turn上reraise已经非常非常thin了，再去
call对手的shove，更是把自己给推进了坟墓。
但是，从视频里看不出，小孩的vpip，他拿着烂牌4bet fold也只有一手牌，而且，当
时桌子到底怎么样的dynamic，我们不可能非常清楚，从他玩的这几手牌来看，他主要
是打太凶，但是要知道，对上采用nit战术的对手，你还没有摸牌，就已经WAWB了，所
以，他死在自己没有进一步adjust |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 8
打脸贴
对手数据不多，但是vpip 33， pfr 6，喜欢post flop chase with weak hand，AF 1
1 1, 为此哥给他上了色还打了标签。
本贴的重点在于，没位置，对上只call不raise的弱玩家，river的bet size是否应该适
当减小，因为太多情况，对手under rep牌力 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 File: HH20131108 Hydra #16 - $0.10-$0.25 - USD No Limit Hold'em.txt
PokerStars Zoom Hand #106729015605: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2013/
11/08 22:07:39 ET
Table 'Hydra' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: serg1244 ($18.63 in chips)
Seat 2: wuyeyoulan ($23.35 in chips)
Seat 3: Chiro Scott ($9.78 in chips)
Seat 4: salama 21 ($55.82 in chips)
Seat 5: socrat3ss ($52.57 in chips)
Seat 6: aecdragon ($47.98 in chips)
wuyeyoulan: posts small blind $0.10
Chiro Scott: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE... 阅读全帖 |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 11 I actually consider being anonymous as a advantage. Anonymous system
protects fish to a certain degree. It also protects me as an ABC and weakish
player from being exploited by those very good players.
It also helps me improve the ability of taking notes in a limit period of
time. I mainly just label players a certain color, but believe me that's
more than enough at the stake I'm typically playing.
And I think most of Bovada's value comes from their tourneys. There are so
many guaranteed prize p... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 12 regular的统计
pfr vpip 3bet 4bet，squeeze，bb／sb steal，flop cbet，turn cbet，river cbet
，bip
ag factor of 3 streets
w%sd wtsd等
就象工资单那样的一条 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 13 VPIP: 41.1
pfr: 32.0
3bet: 11.2
4bet: 4.6
squeeze: 13.9
steal: 61.9
Flop cbet: 79.3
turn cbet: 52.4
river cbet: 53.6
w$SD: 45.1
WTSD: 26.4
Ag factor: 4.36
cbet |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 there you go. Enjoy!
=========================================
VPIP: 10.1
pfr: 8.0
3bet: 0.9
4bet: 0.1
squeeze: 0.1
steal: 10.9
Flop cbet: 50.3
turn cbet: 20.1
river cbet: 13.1
w$SD: 78.1
WTSD: 62.4
Ag factor: 0.9 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 15 本来不觉得啥，今天降级打回100nl，才意识到这里的200nl打得特别凶，高频的vpip／
pfr，2barrel，floating都是经常性的。前几天，哥还纳闷儿呢，为什么，上了200nl
，就经常over play tptk／over pair, 来payoff那些讨巧牌，觉得自己越打越秀逗了
，回到了扔不了牌的节奏。
但实际上，哥回顾历史，也有认怂的阶段，结果招来的就是被更多的push，这尼玛尺度
真的很难掌握。看来哥年纪大了，不适合高对抗的节奏，每个session上下少则2／3，
多到6／7个buyin的swing，着实让人不舒服，再加上时不时出现cooler或者suckout，
人很容易，从崩溃的边缘直接崩溃，矮马～～
看来今年升级的步伐要缓一缓啦～～还是从操哥最擅长的micro tourney捕鱼的旧业吧
～～ |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 16
我觉得给对手贴fish donk reg good reg等标签，意义不大。判断对手的thinking
level才是关键。拿这手牌来说，如果我是hero，我会回放对手之前的所有信息，最好
是有showdown的牌局。针对这个spot，我会更关注
1 从showdown或者vpip/pfr判断对手的range
2 对手之前raise过的牌局
3 对手有没有over play的历史
4 对手有没有float的历史
5 对手是不是selective aggressive，即对手是看着自己的牌打还是看人
6 对手有没有总在尝试相同的情况，不同的玩法，即是不是tricky player
一般和对手同桌几个小时，这些信息会慢慢reveal。这样的话，这个spot就相对容易决
定。
如果，真的找不到有用的信息的话，我会结合这个级别整体的tendency，按照abc来玩
。比如，这个spot是foxwoods 300买入，且离钱圈还很远，我会check turn，lead
small river。
换做我是villain，并且turn hit boat，我会在turn上持续下注略小于1/2，理由m... 阅读全帖 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 Online 各式牌手都有， Live 也是各式牌手都有。 阅读的方法不同而已。 同样都是
对症下药。 搞来搞去， 还是SPR, board structure, range and hand read.. 你没在
网上碰到过VPip 63 10 的？ 和live Player 区别何在？ |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 18 online我看一眼软件就知道VPIP 63 了。live打一个小时能看出来吗？可能live高手打
了一会儿就知道，我要打两三个小时才知道，这个区别还不够大？
你要是live打一会儿对手的stats都知道了，那你的live水平爆我几条街了，还要问我
建议吗？ |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 19 His name is MamaCoolJ. He is a coach on DragTheBar. This guy was on every
table I play tonight. I think usually he is on every table from NL25 to
NL100, playing 30+ tables at the same time.
I am not very sure about his style at lower stakes, but at NL100, his stats
are something like (VPIP/PFR/3b/f3b) 14/11/2.8/70. This is a super nitty no-
brain style. But to my surprise, he is still winning about 2bb/100 over 50k
hands I tracked!!!
I guess beating online low stakes poker is just not as difficu... 阅读全帖 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 20 对的,我VPIP>40,而且经常搞得很复杂,要弄到all in. 4桌就有些忙不过来了,其实应该
每桌少打点,多开几桌可能更profitable,而且variance小. |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 21 你VPIP这么高还能有这么高的EV真是厉害。你这是拿出打HU的力气在打6max啊 |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 22 很多人讨论过西安小周的线上水平到底如何。根据PokerNews的消息，来自亚洲的线上
高额玩家真实身份揭晓。该网站称“澳门高额玩家 Paul Phua就是MalACEsia，而Chun
Lei Zhou 就是samrostan，之前的ID是patpatpanda。“
根据扑克新闻的说法，patpatpanda 这个账号输掉了260万美元。也就是说“周输掉了
至少880万美元。”在线上亏损榜上两个账号分别排在第4位和第12位。尽管常年水下，
他似乎没有在意。“没问题。以前我只打无限德州扑克，有时没人和我打。所以我学了
其他游戏，输掉了不少钱。我喜欢打扑克。”
我们来看看网友是怎么讨论的。
@scorpiozm：线上线下根本是两种游戏。
@Nick_魏：什么水平完全不重要啊，即使线上最高额的crusher说不定这辈子和他坐在
一桌的资格都没有。
@自由于风：PS线上NL200水平其实和最高额差不了多少，差别可能就是资金实力，和人
的性格了。战胜NL200的人，你给他足够的资金，冒险的性格，他就可以站在最高额的
桌上。
@扑克圈那点事儿：NL400以上的reg或者Pro ，按技术来说很多人都... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 23 我没有看过专门讲leak的书。我想是因为leak在很大程度上是取决于人的。比如对于大
部分人来说，VPIP>30是leak，但是如果你能赢钱，那就不是leak。cbet 100%很可能是
leak，但是如果你的对手总是fit-fold，那就不是leak。
你完全可以到一个你的win rate<2bb/100的级别再开始担心leak。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 24 我也是，我想可能和我们VPIP太高有很大关系，这样就不可避免的VARIANCE也变大。 |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 25 short handed，VPIP不高就被blinds搞死了... |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 26 就象D神在一个帖子里讲的，利润的来源并不是一些很接近的决定，而是basic or
advanced ABC poker的概念，bet or check就属于这种基本的概念，我用一手今年打的
牌来举例说明。
NL600 6-handed
Preflop:
UTG (OK reg, $778) opens to $18
CO (Hero, $626) calls with Ts 9h
Flop:
Ah Ks Kc
UTG checks
Hero bets 2/3 pot $30
UTG calls
Turn:
Qd
UTG checks
Hero bets 2/3 pot $70
UTG calls
River:
Jd
UTG checks
Hero checks
UTG shows Ad Kd
Preflop我在CO位用 T9o call UTG open,这是否合适，是另一个话题。我的VPIP是很高
的，我flat 3bet的比例也超高，这基于我对postflop技术的自信和本身打牌的风格。
问题一： why bet on Flop?
因为我没有showdown value,他不cb... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 27 这不是60去抓bluff去赢140的事
river的时候pot才十几个bb，raise reraise means huge strength
换了哥估计十有八九还是fold了
理由很简单，100NL 不管对手是maniac也好，high level pro也好，敢这样干，是反着
该级别的数学规律打牌，被规律惩罚是迟早的事
事实那么高的vpip和pfr加上6以上的aggression，已经是纯donk的级别了，不输这一手
，他这样保持下去，除非运气聚好，在几百手牌内，抡掉3个buyin简直是必然的 |
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m****9
发帖数: 492 | 28 $30 husng 55%赢率应该是挺高, 不算抽水expected value是$1.5，感觉和打$3.5, $7,
$15效率差不多啊。$3.5和$7还可以muti-table也不是很累。
VPIP高应该是sng的普遍特点，毕竟ante和blinds很多，多偷有利可图。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 29 桌数多了只能打ABC了，但是我觉得ABC是不可能一桌赢40bb的，就算是micro,也做不到
的。
我如果打一桌NL10要最大化利润，我肯定VPIP 40%以上，因为POSTFLOP差距太大了，但
这就不是ABC了。6－8桌这么搞肯定顾不过来的。
micro的鱼是不会被杀光的，现场最小NL200，鱼都一批接一批，online才NL4,NL10之类
的。现在关键是大多数鱼都不打online了，所以感觉鱼很少了。 |
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 online 6 max. early position raise 2X, button 3 bet 9X. button stats vpip 23
/2 3 bet 1.2% overall (0% 3 bet at bottom) 1.2k hand.
I have KK at sb. what should I do? |
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R******d
发帖数: 976 | 31 you know what to do right?
He only 3b AA/KK and half of QQ/AK. So you are behind 6 combos and ahead of
maybe 7-10 combos assuming his BTN range is wider.
folding is a crime. in =<100bb game, we better 4b and try to get it in pre.
in deep game, i think flat calling is better.
vpip 23/2怎马个解读？
23 |
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t***k
发帖数: 57 | 32 在这个论坛潜水几天，和大家打声招呼。
本人过去打limit game and sng, 现在主要打nl 6max cash，2/4-5/10, 3-4 tables.
周末play some tournaments also, like sunday million etc.
我给大家贡献一点我打6max nl心得，就是table selection. 不是每个桌子都是profit
的。所以我玩得桌，都必须至少有一个菜鸟（玩的loose) ，就是vpip （voluntarily
put $ into the pot）一般在35% 以上， 要做到这点平时一般我datamine(数据收集）
， 然后上桌前，我一般就知道75%的对手的分格，知己知彼，百战不殆！
我现在的2/4 nl 6max, profit 7.ptbb/100=14bb/100, 以上这点起了关键的作用，过
去我1/2在不注重table selection的时候也只有5ptbb
大家好运! |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 33 1. You check his hand history, what hand has he played, in what position,
and how did he play?
2. You check his records on sharkscope for sng
OPR for MTT
3. Using software, PT, or tournament indicator. VPIP, aggression factor. |
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m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 34 VPIP 20, preflop raise 12,
agg is 2.6,winning 8bb/100 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 35 I still think our game skill is not that good. I watched a bunch of good
players online games, they can go very very deep in tournament. Who knows
what card they have, usually they push, push, then others fold.
For example, I tracked a guy named mordi20, whose vpip is 25%, pfr is 19%,
aggr: 4. Steal blind attempt:55%. Flop seen,win rate:56%. Win at showdown rate:51%
for full table tournament play. Type should be loose and super aggressor.
If you watch his play, push, push, push, then others fol |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 36 well, the raising range is actually normal, slightly tight. The chance
for any two cards with rank at least queen is 4.98% plus a few
big pairs, that would consist his raising hands, which is actually
tight, but not absurd for a full ring game. 32% of vpip includes
any two cards with rank at least 9, which is 20.8% plus a few low
pairs and suit/non-suited
connectors, which is certainly loose, but also not absurd
at all. Anybody play this starting requirement can win in any low limit
game if he p |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 37 和谐和谐,今天真爽,碰到一个vpip=70的大鱼, 然后我看到他limp我也limp,哈哈, 不过
丫运气真好, 总能draw out,或者直接flop full house, quads什么的 |
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