F****8 发帖数: 289 | 1 11th percentile, new investigator.(JIT is requested today)
我是个Co-PI(另一个人是PD/PI),如果拿到了,我可以对外称我拿了R01吗?
菜鸟问题,板砖轻拍。 |
A******y 发帖数: 2041 | 2 Yes, you can claim it on your CV but your got to say that you are Co-PI.
Btw, what institute is your R01? JTI is sent to all grants less than 40%.
If it is NCI, sorry, you won't get it. You need to be at 7 or lower to get
it. There is no new investigator bonus in NCI. Here is a quick summary
link to funding payline:
http://writedit.wordpress.com/nih-paylines-resources/ |
g*****n 发帖数: 250 | 3 OF COURSE (if you are not a co-investigator. There is a difference between
co-I and co-PI) |
F****8 发帖数: 289 | 4 多谢回复。恕不告知institute。NIH。
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】 : Yes, you can claim it on your CV but your got to say that you are Co-PI. : Btw, what institute is your R01? JTI is sent to all grants less than 40%. : If it is NCI, sorry, you won't get it. You need to be at 7 or lower to get : it. There is no new investigator bonus in NCI. Here is a quick summary : link to funding payline: : http://writedit.wordpress.com/nih-paylines-resources/
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F****8 发帖数: 289 | 5 I am a co-PI. Thank you.
【在 g*****n 的大作中提到】 : OF COURSE (if you are not a co-investigator. There is a difference between : co-I and co-PI)
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g*****n 发帖数: 250 | 6 That is certainly your R01. |
s********n 发帖数: 1124 | 7 NIH does not use the term "Co-PI". Only "Multiple PI" is used, in which case
, both PIs have equal power on the grant.
Of course, you are the PI, and it's your grant. |
s********n 发帖数: 1124 | 8 问题是,你干嘛做multiple PI呢?
这样你再写你自己独立的R01的时候,你的new investigator身份就没有了,因为你已
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A******y 发帖数: 2041 | 9 Most people didn't realize how little money R01 has. If you get full
funding, you literally only have a enough money for a post-doc and a tech.
If you are half of a R01, you will probably only have 50k left a year in the
end after you took your 50%.
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】 : 问题是,你干嘛做multiple PI呢? : 这样你再写你自己独立的R01的时候,你的new investigator身份就没有了,因为你已 : 经用过了。
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Q**********r 发帖数: 214 | 10 你确信?
据我所知,NIH并不正式承认co-PI,具体体现在NIH的数据库里不记录co-PI. NIH
director亲口告诉我co-PI不能认为拥有grant。当然你可以写在你的CV里。
请注意,co-PI和multi-PI是完全不同的概念,后者是正式的PI, REPORTER里可以查到。
【在 g*****n 的大作中提到】 : OF COURSE (if you are not a co-investigator. There is a difference between : co-I and co-PI)
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Q**********r 发帖数: 214 | 11 This post is right. co-PI is not a formal role recognized by NIH, it is
rather a word created by senior investigators to please junior people. NIH
only recognize multi-PI. If you're multi-PI of a grant, you no longer
qualify for ESI or
NI credit. Being co-PI of a grant does not cost you these two status,
because NIH does not recognize co-PI.
case
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】 : NIH does not use the term "Co-PI". Only "Multiple PI" is used, in which case : , both PIs have equal power on the grant. : Of course, you are the PI, and it's your grant.
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g*****n 发帖数: 250 | 12 What are you talking about? The NIH and every institution recognize co-pi
with equal power and credit. "Multiple PI" is the mechanism; "co-pi" is the
role of the person. |
Z**S 发帖数: 1211 | 13 I think Questionster is correct and you are wrong.
the
【在 g*****n 的大作中提到】 : What are you talking about? The NIH and every institution recognize co-pi : with equal power and credit. "Multiple PI" is the mechanism; "co-pi" is the : role of the person.
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l***s 发帖数: 841 | 14 Definitely wrong.
the
【在 g*****n 的大作中提到】 : What are you talking about? The NIH and every institution recognize co-pi : with equal power and credit. "Multiple PI" is the mechanism; "co-pi" is the : role of the person.
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s*********l 发帖数: 204 | 15 I am thinking about to do the same thing. I generated all the prelimilary
data, and drafted the proposal. Since it is a new field to me, I asked a
senior PI in another department to be PI and I will be co-PI. So I should
not...but will have little chance to get a grant. |
s********n 发帖数: 1124 | 16 This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard!
【在 s*********l 的大作中提到】 : I am thinking about to do the same thing. I generated all the prelimilary : data, and drafted the proposal. Since it is a new field to me, I asked a : senior PI in another department to be PI and I will be co-PI. So I should : not...but will have little chance to get a grant.
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s*******e 发帖数: 740 | 17 千万不要干这种傻事!
其实原贴主的问题很简单,认清grant的本质立刻就能知道答案。grant的本质是什么?
钱呗。你是否算拥有grant就看你能否独立拥有和支配grant里的钱,哪怕是其中的一部
分钱。co-pi为什么不能算拥有grant?因为nih把所有的budget都打到pi的account里,
没有pi的同意co-pi一分钱也用不了。如果co-pi要换工作grant里的钱当然也不能带走
一分。multi-pi就不同了,有自己独立的budget,要换工作也可以把钱带走无需经过另
一位pi的同意。
想清楚这个你就知道要不要把自己proposal给别人做pi自己只做co-pi了。这样即使拿
到了grant你自己也什么都得不到,钱都到别人口袋里去了。
【在 s*********l 的大作中提到】 : I am thinking about to do the same thing. I generated all the prelimilary : data, and drafted the proposal. Since it is a new field to me, I asked a : senior PI in another department to be PI and I will be co-PI. So I should : not...but will have little chance to get a grant.
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p*l 发帖数: 1359 | 18 做科研最基本的要求是自信,你既然决定要做这个新领域,就该有足够的自信去
做自己项目的PI。
【在 s*********l 的大作中提到】 : I am thinking about to do the same thing. I generated all the prelimilary : data, and drafted the proposal. Since it is a new field to me, I asked a : senior PI in another department to be PI and I will be co-PI. So I should : not...but will have little chance to get a grant.
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p*l 发帖数: 1359 | 19 是的,NIH的申请表上根本没co-PI这个选项,除了PI就是co-Investigator。如果一个
项目列了两个PI,那么这个项目就算是multi-PI的项目了。co-Investigator对项目经
费没自由支配能力,PI才有,co-I的钱是PI subcontract出去的。
【在 Q**********r 的大作中提到】 : This post is right. co-PI is not a formal role recognized by NIH, it is : rather a word created by senior investigators to please junior people. NIH : only recognize multi-PI. If you're multi-PI of a grant, you no longer : qualify for ESI or : NI credit. Being co-PI of a grant does not cost you these two status, : because NIH does not recognize co-PI. : : case
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F****8 发帖数: 289 | 20 You are right. My role is MPI in the first page of the application. In the "
Senior/Key Person Profile" page, every PI is equally listed as PD/PI include
myself.
Guess I can claim is my R01 if it gets funded. Thank you, and sorry for the
"co-PI" confusion. There is this one person is listed as contact PI, though.
【在 p*l 的大作中提到】 : 是的,NIH的申请表上根本没co-PI这个选项,除了PI就是co-Investigator。如果一个 : 项目列了两个PI,那么这个项目就算是multi-PI的项目了。co-Investigator对项目经 : 费没自由支配能力,PI才有,co-I的钱是PI subcontract出去的。
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p*l 发帖数: 1359 | 21 如果你的insitute有new investigator的优惠,第一个R01做multi PI是有点划不来的
。拿第一个R01是个坎,续第一个或者拿第二个R01更是坎。等到你想去申自己
的R01的时候,reviewer会拿senior PI的要求衡量你。虽然现在搭着senior PI的顺
风车,拿到个半个R01,名声上很好听,但是你今后很可能为此付出很大的代价。
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include
the
though.
【在 F****8 的大作中提到】 : You are right. My role is MPI in the first page of the application. In the " : Senior/Key Person Profile" page, every PI is equally listed as PD/PI include : myself. : Guess I can claim is my R01 if it gets funded. Thank you, and sorry for the : "co-PI" confusion. There is this one person is listed as contact PI, though. : :
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s********n 发帖数: 1124 | 22 完全同意。所以宁愿做co-investigator拿点钱那个实惠,第一个R01是一定要自己独立
做PI完全掌控的。不然后面吃亏挺大的。
【在 p*l 的大作中提到】 : 如果你的insitute有new investigator的优惠,第一个R01做multi PI是有点划不来的 : 。拿第一个R01是个坎,续第一个或者拿第二个R01更是坎。等到你想去申自己 : 的R01的时候,reviewer会拿senior PI的要求衡量你。虽然现在搭着senior PI的顺 : 风车,拿到个半个R01,名声上很好听,但是你今后很可能为此付出很大的代价。 : : " : include : the : though.
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