r*******n
发帖数: 3020 | |
p*a
发帖数: 592 | 2 silverlight 已死，有事烧纸
【在 r*******n 的大作中提到】
: 有什么其他选择？谢谢
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r*******n
发帖数: 3020 | 3 那选择吗
Html5？
有点怀疑有些功能做不了，需要做一些图表，类似EXCEL那种
【在 p*a 的大作中提到】
: silverlight 已死，有事烧纸
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 4 googleDoc用html和js不是做的好好的么
【在 r*******n 的大作中提到】
: 那选择吗
: Html5？
: 有点怀疑有些功能做不了，需要做一些图表，类似EXCEL那种
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s***o
发帖数: 2191 | 5 what is SilverLight? sounds like a fancy name |
p*a
发帖数: 592 | 6 能做图表的很多吧，像kendo ui什么的。
【在 r*******n 的大作中提到】
: 那选择吗
: Html5？
: 有点怀疑有些功能做不了，需要做一些图表，类似EXCEL那种
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k*****1
发帖数: 217 | 7
【在 r*******n 的大作中提到】
: 有什么其他选择？谢谢
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 8 SilverLight has become METRO / WIN8 APP. The plug-in story is over. |
x**n
发帖数: 461 | 9 Silverlight is for Windows Phone only now. In the future, is there future
for SL? |
r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 10 先拍照一下。
看来这一块的前途说法很多啊，莫非最近几个月发生了变化？
10 Things Silverlight Developers Should Know About Windows 8
http://www.silverlightshow.net/video/10-Things-About-Win8-Webin
总结在这：
http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2012/07/13/silverlight
continue-for-developers-and-microsoft.aspx
Silverlight developers can still build and deploy apps on Windows 8 in deskt
op mode. However, Silverlight is not supported in Windows 8 Metro mode, wher
e apps run on top of the new Windows Runtime (WinRT).
Crump offers a useful technical comparison of Silverlight and Metro developm
ent, and explains in specific terms how developers can use their XAML skills
and familiarity with Silverlight to build Metro-style applications.
还有张图：
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
: SilverLight has become METRO / WIN8 APP. The plug-in story is over.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 11
看到那张图里面的XAML没有？WPF / SL就是建立在XAM上的FRAMEWORK。已
经会SL的转到METRO(WIN8 / PHONE8)很容易，
SL是DEV TEAM搞的平台，本来是用于搭配WIN SERVER的产品路线的。原来
的想法是后端用SQL SERVER/AZURE, 中间端用WIN SERVER，前端用SL跨平
台。这样一体化都是WIN SERVER的产品。
后来SL人气越来越热WIN TEAM坐不住了，因为这样搞下去会搅了WINDOWS的
生意，所以SINOFSKY横插一杠子叫停SL，不许再做跨平台的SL，把人拉到
WIN TEAM改做METRO。DEV TEAM斗不过WIN TEAM只好停工。
SS这样飞扬跋扈已经和SERVER DIV水火不容。在大势向CLOUD转移的情况下
终于被BALLMER放弃。
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 先拍照一下。
: 看来这一块的前途说法很多啊，莫非最近几个月发生了变化？
: 10 Things Silverlight Developers Should Know About Windows 8
: http://www.silverlightshow.net/video/10-Things-About-Win8-Webin
: 总结在这：
: http://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2012/07/13/silverlight
: continue-for-developers-and-microsoft.aspx
: Silverlight developers can still build and deploy apps on Windows 8 in deskt
: op mode. However, Silverlight is not supported in Windows 8 Metro mode, wher
: e apps run on top of the new Windows Runtime (WinRT).
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 12 再做点google？
据说这个xaml跟SL的是不同的。否则SL就标在图里那块了。
好像只是说技术是承继的，SL的开发人员可以利用现有的技术。
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 看到那张图里面的XAML没有？WPF / SL就是建立在XAM上的FRAMEWORK。已
: 经会SL的转到METRO(WIN8 / PHONE8)很容易，
: SL是DEV TEAM搞的平台，本来是用于搭配WIN SERVER的产品路线的。原来
: 的想法是后端用SQL SERVER/AZURE, 中间端用WIN SERVER，前端用SL跨平
: 台。这样一体化都是WIN SERVER的产品。
: 后来SL人气越来越热WIN TEAM坐不住了，因为这样搞下去会搅了WINDOWS的
: 生意，所以SINOFSKY横插一杠子叫停SL，不许再做跨平台的SL，把人拉到
: WIN TEAM改做METRO。DEV TEAM斗不过WIN TEAM只好停工。
: SS这样飞扬跋扈已经和SERVER DIV水火不容。在大势向CLOUD转移的情况下
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 13
XAML和SL的关系就好比HTML和JQUERY。那个图其实不对，因为没有人会用
SL写DESKTOP，DESKTOP上用的是WPF。之所以画成那样是PR，让人感觉还
在支持SL，实际上已经转移到METRO了。
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 再做点google？
: 据说这个xaml跟SL的是不同的。否则SL就标在图里那块了。
: 好像只是说技术是承继的，SL的开发人员可以利用现有的技术。
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 14 感觉XAML是用来取代WPF和SL的，换句话说，SL和WPF是基于CLR的，配合的语言是c#或
VB，而XAML framework是WinRT的一部分，底层实现的语言是native code和c/c++。
也就是说，SL的run-time environment不在winRT里，还是只会在desktop 浏览器的插
件里。而XAML会成为WinRT的一部分，替代SL和WPF。
SilverLight不在winRT里，SL还是插件，可以参看这张图：
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: XAML和SL的关系就好比HTML和JQUERY。那个图其实不对，因为没有人会用
: SL写DESKTOP，DESKTOP上用的是WPF。之所以画成那样是PR，让人感觉还
: 在支持SL，实际上已经转移到METRO了。
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 15
07年WPF推出时XAML就是指定的MARK UP LANGUAGE。后来在WPF基础上做了
SL，所以WPF和SL一直是以XAML作班底。这样从SL转移到METRO很容易。
METRO实际上是SL6, 但是不许再做跨平台的PLUG-IN了, 否则SS要发飙。
CLR仍然是METRO的重要组成，否则在RT里面就没法用.NET 4.5那些ASYNC支
持了。感兴趣的话可以去看今年的BUILD VIDEOS，有解释.Net, CLR是怎样
在WIN8和PHONE8上被使用的SESSION，EASY ASYNC是一大主题。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/DotNet/31106401.html
【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 感觉XAML是用来取代WPF和SL的，换句话说，SL和WPF是基于CLR的，配合的语言是c#或
: VB，而XAML framework是WinRT的一部分，底层实现的语言是native code和c/c++。
: 也就是说，SL的run-time environment不在winRT里，还是只会在desktop 浏览器的插
: 件里。而XAML会成为WinRT的一部分，替代SL和WPF。
: SilverLight不在winRT里，SL还是插件，可以参看这张图：
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n*w
发帖数: 3393 | 16 ss left. will it change anything?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: 07年WPF推出时XAML就是指定的MARK UP LANGUAGE。后来在WPF基础上做了
: SL，所以WPF和SL一直是以XAML作班底。这样从SL转移到METRO很容易。
: METRO实际上是SL6, 但是不许再做跨平台的PLUG-IN了, 否则SS要发飙。
: CLR仍然是METRO的重要组成，否则在RT里面就没法用.NET 4.5那些ASYNC支
: 持了。感兴趣的话可以去看今年的BUILD VIDEOS，有解释.Net, CLR是怎样
: 在WIN8和PHONE8上被使用的SESSION，EASY ASYNC是一大主题。
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/DotNet/31106401.html
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 17
The focus is on the Azure and Metro front now. I don't expect much
man power to be allocated for SL soon.
【在 n*w 的大作中提到】
: ss left. will it change anything?
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 18 SL is dead. HTML5 is rising. It's not hard to figure from those charts. |
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 19
So why don't you tell HP to return to WebOS or Facebook to switch
from iOS back to H5 if H5 is rising.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: SL is dead. HTML5 is rising. It's not hard to figure from those charts.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 20 Did they ever use SL at all? Your point is moot. Win RT supports H5/JS, and
not SL, is just the last nail in the coffin. So much about your lie on how
Metro app will be SL app. Guess what, SL isn't even supported.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: So why don't you tell HP to return to WebOS or Facebook to switch
: from iOS back to H5 if H5 is rising.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 21
Are you too blind to see "XAML" in the chart? Do you know what XAML
is and its connection with WPF/SL & CLR / CORECLR? Get yourself
educated before coming here talking nonsense.
BTW no one should treat H5/JS seriously b/c it's not supported in
WP8 while XAML is on both Win8 & WP8. If you code for XAML then you
can cover both fronts while if you H5/JS you can only go for Win8.
so XAML is the only thing worth coding for, not H5/JS. Now shut up
and stop misleading newbies.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Did they ever use SL at all? Your point is moot. Win RT supports H5/JS, and
: not SL, is just the last nail in the coffin. So much about your lie on how
: Metro app will be SL app. Guess what, SL isn't even supported.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 22 LOL, you never learn. Can't you see the charts above? Silverlight isn't even
mentioned in wp8. H5/JS on the other hand, is treated as first class
citizen on top of Win RT. You can develop H5/JS app on top of Win RT on wp8,
or in browser on desktop. That's what it means.
Argue Sliverlight's connection to XAML and what not. XAML is not SL. You can
describe SL's UI in XAML. However without SL's runtime support, how are you
gonna run it in wp8? I couldn't care less about XAML or SL. WP8 is going
nowhere. But in terms of
liar, you are in your own league.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Microsoft-Leav
"The Silverlight-based Windows Phone developer environment is going away in
Windows Phone 8, and is being replaced by WinRT-based APIs like those in
Windows 8. Why? Two reasons. First, Silverlight is dead, cancelled
internally by Microsoft. And second, Windows Phone 8 is Windows 8 for all
intents and purposes.#157;"
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Are you too blind to see "XAML" in the chart? Do you know what XAML
: is and its connection with WPF/SL & CLR / CORECLR? Get yourself
: educated before coming here talking nonsense.
: BTW no one should treat H5/JS seriously b/c it's not supported in
: WP8 while XAML is on both Win8 & WP8. If you code for XAML then you
: can cover both fronts while if you H5/JS you can only go for Win8.
: so XAML is the only thing worth coding for, not H5/JS. Now shut up
: and stop misleading newbies.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 23
The more you talk the bigger fool you sound. The whole METRO engine
started from the WP7 which was using SL3. Later on it's expanded to
Win8 Metro and WP8 Metro with the latest CLR engine. So METRO has
always been a WPF/SL xaml platform.
You cited an article claiming SL is gone from WP8. So how do you
explain that WP7 SL apps still run in WP8? You were so clueless you
cited sth with such glaring nonsense and used it as proof. LOL.
And a word on H5/JS being so-called "1st-class". Java used to be
1st-class on Windows and got axed later on. Python used to be 1st
class in .Net and too got axed. H5/JS will not be different. In
fact it's already 2nd (or 3rd) class as it's not supported in WP8
and useless in a classic desktop mode w/o WinRT APIs.
Stop misleading newbies about H5/JS. That JS junk is dead.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: LOL, you never learn. Can't you see the charts above? Silverlight isn't even
: mentioned in wp8. H5/JS on the other hand, is treated as first class
: citizen on top of Win RT. You can develop H5/JS app on top of Win RT on wp8,
: or in browser on desktop. That's what it means.
: Argue Sliverlight's connection to XAML and what not. XAML is not SL. You can
: describe SL's UI in XAML. However without SL's runtime support, how are you
: gonna run it in wp8? I couldn't care less about XAML or SL. WP8 is going
: nowhere. But in terms of
: liar, you are in your own league.
: http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Microsoft-Leav
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k**n
发帖数: 3989 | 24 "Silverlight is a powerful development tool for creating engaging,
interactive user experiences for Web and mobile applications. Silverlight is
a free plug-in, powered by the .NET framework and compatible with multiple
browsers, devices and operating systems, bringing a new level of
interactivity wherever the Web works."
--http://www.microsoft.com/silverlight/
我的理解。。XAML是 语言， SL是翻译XAML的plugin。
从网页开发角度来说，
大家说SL死了的意思就像flash快死了一样。。为他写web应用程序的人越来越少了。
flash好歹还有很大市场占有率。。SL就像流星一样。。
但貌似SL在window8上还活着，但有Metro与WPF还需要SL吗？
回到楼主话题。。没有任何用SL开发新项目的必要。 |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 25 You are talking nonsense again. Sure I am not an expert of .Net. I never
claim I am. But without proper support, SL is dead. API evolves, SL support
doesn't. In no time it's like running DOS program in Windows. It may work to
some degree, but nobody really cares. And M$ doesn't recommend doing that
either.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/windows-phone-8-whats-micro
"Here's what I've heard about XNA. As Windows 8 developers know, Microsoft
has decided not to include XNA support for WinRT/Metro in Windows 8. It's
only supported on the Desktop. With Windows Phone 8, according to one of my
tipsters, Microsoft still will support XNA in the Windows Phone 8 software
development kit, but will be pushing developers to write games for the
platform using DirectX and native code, not XNA -- just like the case with
Windows 8."
And your predication is always funny. Remember how 3 years ago you predicted
Silverlight will rule it all and JS will be dead? LMAO.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: The more you talk the bigger fool you sound. The whole METRO engine
: started from the WP7 which was using SL3. Later on it's expanded to
: Win8 Metro and WP8 Metro with the latest CLR engine. So METRO has
: always been a WPF/SL xaml platform.
: You cited an article claiming SL is gone from WP8. So how do you
: explain that WP7 SL apps still run in WP8? You were so clueless you
: cited sth with such glaring nonsense and used it as proof. LOL.
: And a word on H5/JS being so-called "1st-class". Java used to be
: 1st-class on Windows and got axed later on. Python used to be 1st
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n*w
发帖数: 3393 | 26 maybe sl has a nitch market on internal enterprise application?
does netflix still using sl to play video? |
g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 27 On windows PC, yes. But it's only for one reason. DRM. HTML5 doesn't support
that yet. On all proprietary devices where piracy is not a concern (ps3,
ipad, smartphones etc), it's running HTML5.
【在 n*w 的大作中提到】
: maybe sl has a nitch market on internal enterprise application?
: does netflix still using sl to play video?
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 28
Right. Then be quiet so that you would not have sounded clueless
about .Net, SL, C#, XAML and so on.
I predicted WPF/SL techniques to be the future on Windows platform,
and it's happening as I said. Those who had WPF/SL skills can now
code XAML apps for WP8, WinRT and Desktop. One technique to cover
all front, and that's great.
You OTOH insisted from day 1 that H5/JS thin client to beat rich
client. What have we got so far from your H5/JS? ChromeOS, WebOS,
ZYNGA ... Google themselves are having enough of JS and looking
for a switch. It's fail after fail after fail. LOL. Great track
record of your prediction right there.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: You are talking nonsense again. Sure I am not an expert of .Net. I never
: claim I am. But without proper support, SL is dead. API evolves, SL support
: doesn't. In no time it's like running DOS program in Windows. It may work to
: some degree, but nobody really cares. And M$ doesn't recommend doing that
: either.
: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/windows-phone-8-whats-micro
: "Here's what I've heard about XNA. As Windows 8 developers know, Microsoft
: has decided not to include XNA support for WinRT/Metro in Windows 8. It's
: only supported on the Desktop. With Windows Phone 8, according to one of my
: tipsters, Microsoft still will support XNA in the Windows Phone 8 software
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 29 So you are denying you predicted "Silverlight will rule it all" now?
And you didn't mention WPF and XAML at all. And talking about how SL is
supported, skills transferable is like the VB programmers' talk in .Net era
after being back-stabbed by M$. It all sounds so familiar.
Your H5/JS failure hasn't happened. Take a reality check. H5/JS dominates
the entire web stack. Even M$ OSD is using it extensively. They don't use
Silverlight. H5/JS as first class citizen on top of Win RT, not sliverlight
is a huge statement. You are so pathetic it's not even funny.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Right. Then be quiet so that you would not have sounded clueless
: about .Net, SL, C#, XAML and so on.
: I predicted WPF/SL techniques to be the future on Windows platform,
: and it's happening as I said. Those who had WPF/SL skills can now
: code XAML apps for WP8, WinRT and Desktop. One technique to cover
: all front, and that's great.
: You OTOH insisted from day 1 that H5/JS thin client to beat rich
: client. What have we got so far from your H5/JS? ChromeOS, WebOS,
: ZYNGA ... Google themselves are having enough of JS and looking
|
N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 30
I predicted WPF/SL technique to be future Windows client platform
and it's happening now. I don't need to mention XAML and so on b/c
people familiar with .Net should know it by default, just like I
don't need to mention C# is OO every time I talk about C#.
Only .Net outsiders like you lack of such basic concept. You never
even heard of XAML until I pointed it out and yet now wanna sound
like an expert asserting SL situation is like VB. What a joke.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: So you are denying you predicted "Silverlight will rule it all" now?
: And you didn't mention WPF and XAML at all. And talking about how SL is
: supported, skills transferable is like the VB programmers' talk in .Net era
: after being back-stabbed by M$. It all sounds so familiar.
: Your H5/JS failure hasn't happened. Take a reality check. H5/JS dominates
: the entire web stack. Even M$ OSD is using it extensively. They don't use
: Silverlight. H5/JS as first class citizen on top of Win RT, not sliverlight
: is a huge statement. You are so pathetic it's not even funny.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 31 SL situation is exactly like VB. Though SL never achieved the popularity of
VB in any point. SL is not supported on top of Win RT, at least not
officially. I know you are desperate, but you can't argue with those charts.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: I predicted WPF/SL technique to be future Windows client platform
: and it's happening now. I don't need to mention XAML and so on b/c
: people familiar with .Net should know it by default, just like I
: don't need to mention C# is OO every time I talk about C#.
: Only .Net outsiders like you lack of such basic concept. You never
: even heard of XAML until I pointed it out and yet now wanna sound
: like an expert asserting SL situation is like VB. What a joke.
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 32
You don't even know .Net and yet keep on arguing with a .Net pro
like me despite being constantly wrong. You are the one desperately
Si3 Cheng1ing here. LOL.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: SL situation is exactly like VB. Though SL never achieved the popularity of
: VB in any point. SL is not supported on top of Win RT, at least not
: officially. I know you are desperate, but you can't argue with those charts.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 33 Yeah, sure those charts from M$ are wrong. You are arguing against those
charts, not me. I couldn't care less. WP8 can't even beat Bada at this point.
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You don't even know .Net and yet keep on arguing with a .Net pro
: like me despite being constantly wrong. You are the one desperately
: Si3 Cheng1ing here. LOL.
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c*********e
发帖数: 16335 | 34 别用silver light.
【在 r*******n 的大作中提到】
: 有什么其他选择？谢谢
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 35
Those charts have XAML right in there, and you don't have a clue
until I told you. You claimed that H5/JS is rising, and I have to
step in to point out it has no support in Windows desktop or WP8
so that nobody gets misled.
You just keep talking nonsense and then spin and Si3Cheng1 after
getting caught like how "Android had 8B revenue" or "Workday", LOL.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Yeah, sure those charts from M$ are wrong. You are arguing against those
: charts, not me. I couldn't care less. WP8 can't even beat Bada at this point.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 36 XAML is not SL. Everyone on this board and other forums have pointed out,
otherwise there'd be no fuss. Period.
And those charts prove h5/js is first class citizen on win rt. Live with
that.
You can't even look at the charts straight, what can I say?
【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Those charts have XAML right in there, and you don't have a clue
: until I told you. You claimed that H5/JS is rising, and I have to
: step in to point out it has no support in Windows desktop or WP8
: so that nobody gets misled.
: You just keep talking nonsense and then spin and Si3Cheng1 after
: getting caught like how "Android had 8B revenue" or "Workday", LOL.
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