ET
发帖数: 10701 | | ET
发帖数: 10701 | 2 he has a hands-hinge movement when he starts his backswing which is what I
am working on. this one will help my takeaway fall too much inside.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: I really like it..
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPbfC2sSx-o
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 3 his swing plane is exactly what I am looking forward to.. I have the
downswing plane, not the backswing..
his hands finish is a bit weird for me.. I don't know how that comes out.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: he has a hands-hinge movement when he starts his backswing which is what I
: am working on. this one will help my takeaway fall too much inside.
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 4 a guy commented the hinge like this:
you definetly have a players swing. but having a pro in my family has taught
me to pick out the slightest falws in a swing. to me, it looks as you begin
the swing with a quick hinge of your wrists. I would suggest not setting
them as soon, but you have a teacher, and you need to focus on his teachings
not what i say
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: he has a hands-hinge movement when he starts his backswing which is what I
: am working on. this one will help my takeaway fall too much inside.
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 5 the owner's comment:
it took him 6 months to have his backswing changed.. I plan to do it in 2
weeks.. lol.....
_----------------------------
So after working hard and focused on a change when it becomes grooved then
it will be consistent. The problem is that most golfers never work long
enough on any one change. If I could see your swing sure I could tell you
how to swing from the inside but without a system and focus that you get
with a good instructor and plan you will never make it a lasting
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: a guy commented the hinge like this:
: you definetly have a players swing. but having a pro in my family has taught
: me to pick out the slightest falws in a swing. to me, it looks as you begin
: the swing with a quick hinge of your wrists. I would suggest not setting
: them as soon, but you have a teacher, and you need to focus on his teachings
: not what i say
| p******u
发帖数: 101 | 6 his hand finish looks more like a posing gesture to me other than the end
result of whole athletic move.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: his swing plane is exactly what I am looking forward to.. I have the
: downswing plane, not the backswing..
: his hands finish is a bit weird for me.. I don't know how that comes out.
| p******u
发帖数: 101 | 7 I don't see this makes any difference, quick hinge vs delayed. Is his
picking bones from eggy?
taught
begin
teachings
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: a guy commented the hinge like this:
: you definetly have a players swing. but having a pro in my family has taught
: me to pick out the slightest falws in a swing. to me, it looks as you begin
: the swing with a quick hinge of your wrists. I would suggest not setting
: them as soon, but you have a teacher, and you need to focus on his teachings
: not what i say
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 8 very good, looks like steward sink's swing
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: I really like it..
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPbfC2sSx-o
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 9 it's a good question, but actually, i can't answer it. 'coz I don't know the
hinge thing that much. I am always doing the one-piece takeway, like this
guy's swing : kevin Na.
which makes my club head way inside of my hands.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0EKksPTyk0&feature=related
the quick hinge is..most likely, I mean it's just about the timing. don't
overdo it. I know (even myself back to years ago), expect to have a swing
plane like Ben Hogan, so I hinge my wrist to start my backswing which
【在 p******u 的大作中提到】
: I don't see this makes any difference, quick hinge vs delayed. Is his
: picking bones from eggy?
:
: taught
: begin
: teachings
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 10 yah. some people say that. I dont' agree that much tho. This guy's swing is
much on plane of back and down.
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: very good, looks like steward sink's swing
| | | p******u
发帖数: 101 | 11 Maybe I 'm wrong, but in my imagination hinge quick or late brings to the
same result at the height of back swing, if you have clear mind to keep your
hand facing and hinging at the right angle. The only difference is the way
you perform your down swing, at what plane you release your hinge.(when your
left arm passes the horizontal line, I guess, for most of golfers) So I can
't comprehend the timing issue on engaging the hinge. I wish I could do the
hinge thing right, coz ideally it will add th
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: it's a good question, but actually, i can't answer it. 'coz I don't know the
: hinge thing that much. I am always doing the one-piece takeway, like this
: guy's swing : kevin Na.
: which makes my club head way inside of my hands.
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0EKksPTyk0&feature=related
: the quick hinge is..most likely, I mean it's just about the timing. don't
: overdo it. I know (even myself back to years ago), expect to have a swing
: plane like Ben Hogan, so I hinge my wrist to start my backswing which
| p******g
发帖数: 321 | 12
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: very good, looks like steward sink's swing
| p******u
发帖数: 101 | 13 what software do you use to capture the frames, well done.
【在 p******g 的大作中提到】
| p******g
发帖数: 321 | 14 Topaz Moment
It is really neat.
【在 p******u 的大作中提到】
: what software do you use to capture the frames, well done.
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 15 the main (core) concept is here:
you want to return the club face the same as when you set it up. If the
hinge is the first move, image how you could "hinge" back to the setup
position. that's the reason "one-piece-takeway" makes more sense regarding
this matter.
However, everyone is different. I said something I thought it could be the
reason.
your
way
your
can
the
【在 p******u 的大作中提到】
: Maybe I 'm wrong, but in my imagination hinge quick or late brings to the
: same result at the height of back swing, if you have clear mind to keep your
: hand facing and hinging at the right angle. The only difference is the way
: you perform your down swing, at what plane you release your hinge.(when your
: left arm passes the horizontal line, I guess, for most of golfers) So I can
: 't comprehend the timing issue on engaging the hinge. I wish I could do the
: hinge thing right, coz ideally it will add th
| x**h
发帖数: 162 | 16 I watched this vedio online before. He seems didn't turn his hips as much as
the other people i had seen. And his hand finish backswing at a very high
position to me. Do you think that it is because he is tall and skinny? | ET
发帖数: 10701 | 17 no.. first of all, he does turn his hip. However, his hip turn syncs his
shoulder rotation. (since I am using the same swing thought, I guess I
understand this swing better.) 2nd, everyone comments he has a steep swing
plane, as you said, it's a very high position. I gotta tell you guys. this
swing plane is the one I strongly recommend . the result would be like what
he said, very consistent and easy to maintain.
look at Adam Scott's swing , this one:
the pretty same thing? right?
http://youtub
【在 x**h 的大作中提到】
: I watched this vedio online before. He seems didn't turn his hips as much as
: the other people i had seen. And his hand finish backswing at a very high
: position to me. Do you think that it is because he is tall and skinny?
| x**h
发帖数: 162 | 18 But it's not easy to do like he did in the video. Do you have any tips to
share on how to swing like that. Also it didn't looks like one plane swing.
Am i right? | ET
发帖数: 10701 | 19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H2z9zDPNCQ&feature=related
what
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: no.. first of all, he does turn his hip. However, his hip turn syncs his
: shoulder rotation. (since I am using the same swing thought, I guess I
: understand this swing better.) 2nd, everyone comments he has a steep swing
: plane, as you said, it's a very high position. I gotta tell you guys. this
: swing plane is the one I strongly recommend . the result would be like what
: he said, very consistent and easy to maintain.
: look at Adam Scott's swing , this one:
: the pretty same thing? right?
: http://youtub
| p******u
发帖数: 101 | 20 thanks, I'll get one
【在 p******g 的大作中提到】
: Topaz Moment
: It is really neat.
| | | ET
发帖数: 10701 | 21 not one plane? it looks so much one-plane for me.. backswing and downswing..
i can do the downswing ..i am working on my backswing now.. like those
commment, he hinged his wrist in the backswing to make sure it's a upright
swing plane, for the downswing part, the hip rotation and arm rotation are
the key timing thing. the rest thing is: swing-down-to-the-line..
still, fundamental and tempo are keys to get there steadily..
.
【在 x**h 的大作中提到】
: But it's not easy to do like he did in the video. Do you have any tips to
: share on how to swing like that. Also it didn't looks like one plane swing.
: Am i right?
| p******u
发帖数: 101 | 22 HMMMMM, interesting to know. It's hard to be a complete reverse act though.
Since at address you are facing the TEE, and at impact you already turn half
way toward the target.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: the main (core) concept is here:
: you want to return the club face the same as when you set it up. If the
: hinge is the first move, image how you could "hinge" back to the setup
: position. that's the reason "one-piece-takeway" makes more sense regarding
: this matter.
: However, everyone is different. I said something I thought it could be the
: reason.
:
: your
: way
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 23 i know it's hard.. my instructor ingrained that concept to me. it's so hard
if you image the whole process.
.
half
【在 p******u 的大作中提到】
: HMMMMM, interesting to know. It's hard to be a complete reverse act though.
: Since at address you are facing the TEE, and at impact you already turn half
: way toward the target.
| t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 24 Well, Here is my understanding of swing plane.
No matter how you backswing looks like, in downswing, you want to attack the
ball from a shallow (flat) plane.
As for the backswing, of course you have two choice, flat or steep.
If you backswing is too flat, e.g. parallel or flatter than your shoulder
plane, one main reason for that is you probably take your club to inside
too early in your takeaway. If you have a flat backswing plane, most likely
, you will end up with your arms way behind your | u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 25 nod crazily
the
likely
sync
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: Well, Here is my understanding of swing plane.
: No matter how you backswing looks like, in downswing, you want to attack the
: ball from a shallow (flat) plane.
: As for the backswing, of course you have two choice, flat or steep.
: If you backswing is too flat, e.g. parallel or flatter than your shoulder
: plane, one main reason for that is you probably take your club to inside
: too early in your takeaway. If you have a flat backswing plane, most likely
: , you will end up with your arms way behind your
| t****i
发帖数: 904 | 26 this is an interesting discussion, i will chip in my two cents.
a typical golf swing has 4 benchmark moments:
a: the set up;
b: top of the back swing;
c: moment of impact;
d: the finish.
obviously, a golf swing is a continuous process, everything in between
matters as much, if not more.
but for most amatuers who's learning the game, it is impossible to get every
point to be perfect. if there's anything that is the crucial part of the
swing, it is from b to c.
if you can get into a good position
【在 u*********r 的大作中提到】
: nod crazily
:
: the
: likely
: sync
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 27 我的comment:
for the flat backswing, 我很同意，这也就是我的问题所在，我必须在swing top上
停顿足够长时间来调整plane，这样我的downswing plane才能在我想要的地方。这也是
我现在没法看ben hogan swing的原因，当然他的其它基本功的东西依然是最好的。
至于downswing plane， 如果采用upright one, 就如你说的，很难在club face回到垂
直球的位置，或者attach ball from inside， 这里有个trick, 实际上是2个trick,
是against人的common sense的， 所以很难理解；同时， upright swingplane ，如果
miss，很大程度上就是push 或者hook；但掌握这个trick后，只要动作不仓促，还是很
容易避免的。
这也是，everyone gets some secret.
the
likely
sync
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: Well, Here is my understanding of swing plane.
: No matter how you backswing looks like, in downswing, you want to attack the
: ball from a shallow (flat) plane.
: As for the backswing, of course you have two choice, flat or steep.
: If you backswing is too flat, e.g. parallel or flatter than your shoulder
: plane, one main reason for that is you probably take your club to inside
: too early in your takeaway. If you have a flat backswing plane, most likely
: , you will end up with your arms way behind your
| t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 28 come on, tell us your two tricks.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 我的comment:
: for the flat backswing, 我很同意，这也就是我的问题所在，我必须在swing top上
: 停顿足够长时间来调整plane，这样我的downswing plane才能在我想要的地方。这也是
: 我现在没法看ben hogan swing的原因，当然他的其它基本功的东西依然是最好的。
: 至于downswing plane， 如果采用upright one, 就如你说的，很难在club face回到垂
: 直球的位置，或者attach ball from inside， 这里有个trick, 实际上是2个trick,
: 是against人的common sense的， 所以很难理解；同时， upright swingplane ，如果
: miss，很大程度上就是push 或者hook；但掌握这个trick后，只要动作不仓促，还是很
: 容易避免的。
: 这也是，everyone gets some secret.
| t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 29 Good points. even though the most important part of golf swing is the
hitting zone, a good position at the top of backswing will definitely help
you to get there. Well. lots of good player have unconventional backswing,
Jim furyk , maybe kenny perry, but they somehow manage to return the club to
the ball as well as other pros.
every
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: this is an interesting discussion, i will chip in my two cents.
: a typical golf swing has 4 benchmark moments:
: a: the set up;
: b: top of the back swing;
: c: moment of impact;
: d: the finish.
: obviously, a golf swing is a continuous process, everything in between
: matters as much, if not more.
: but for most amatuers who's learning the game, it is impossible to get every
: point to be perfect. if there's anything that is the crucial part of the
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 30 man, golf swing is a system. the two tricks I mentioned many times, like the
forearm of right hand, the "pull' movement instead of push..
but...
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: come on, tell us your two tricks.
| | | x**h
发帖数: 162 | 31 It looks i am just back on time for the continue discussion. Can you explain
a little bitter more about the two secrets. I don't remember see any of
them before. | ET
发帖数: 10701 | 32 这首先是个系统，比如最初这个swing video里的swing plane， 无论backswing and
downswing; 用ben hogan的动作，我觉得我说的trick一点不起作用；
第2是球杆如何离开球做back swing 的,我希望球杆就这样回到球的位置，一点没
forarm/wrist的rotation， 这个可能也是against the instinct.
接下来才是trick， 比如说pull这个动作，和sweep球underneath （从球下扫过球，就
如扫地般）一个意思（对我）， 而不是hit the ball or strike the ball, 还有就是
注意力要在前手臂上，因为那是唯一一个你能控制球杆面去square的club face的地方。
所以，如果只说这2个tricks, 可能一点帮助也没有，而且我教练教的，更有些old
school的概念， 但我认为是consistent击球的精华。
我对那些老将，比如rocco meidate, 上周的冠军perry什么的动作欣赏更多，我最希望
我的动作就是看起来象个老头的动作(就节奏和完成动作而
【在 x**h 的大作中提到】
: It looks i am just back on time for the continue discussion. Can you explain
: a little bitter more about the two secrets. I don't remember see any of
: them before.
| t****i
发帖数: 904 | 33 if u look at jim furyk's swing closely, you will find his swing from
position b to c is not too far from conventional, what's distinct is his
backswing from a to b, just like what you said. but you cannot learn his
backswing.
kenny perry's swing, is in my opinion the most difficult one to control. he
bends his left arm on his backswing, like many double digit handicapers. i
suspect he's been playing since a very young age, and he's able to reproduce
that swing everytime. for most guys who pick u
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: Good points. even though the most important part of golf swing is the
: hitting zone, a good position at the top of backswing will definitely help
: you to get there. Well. lots of good player have unconventional backswing,
: Jim furyk , maybe kenny perry, but they somehow manage to return the club to
: the ball as well as other pros.
:
: every
| p******u
发帖数: 101 | 34 Thanks for your input. I always,well always means less than 2 months in my
case anyhow, there is but limited amount of lateral movement in down swing.
The majority part of dropping the shoulder is accomplished by turning
torso from bottom to top. Or, maybe I misunderstand you. if lateral movement
does not mean hip movement. But indeed shallowing the plane is so critical.
That's why it's hard for me to hit the driver. Sweeping, sweeping, sweeping
.【 在 typhoon (无所谓) 的大作中提到: 】
the
likely
sync | p******u
发帖数: 101 | 35 Great tips, thanks. I also find for a beginner, the biggest killer on tempo
is from b to c. you can't harsh it in. You have to take the time to build up
the power, either by uncoiling or by the gravity of club.
every
【在 t****i 的大作中提到】
: this is an interesting discussion, i will chip in my two cents.
: a typical golf swing has 4 benchmark moments:
: a: the set up;
: b: top of the back swing;
: c: moment of impact;
: d: the finish.
: obviously, a golf swing is a continuous process, everything in between
: matters as much, if not more.
: but for most amatuers who's learning the game, it is impossible to get every
: point to be perfect. if there's anything that is the crucial part of the
| p******u
发帖数: 101 | 36 PULL啥意思,是说手总是在CLUB HEAD前面吗?右前臂的动作是和左前臂契合的吧,当然想
象中右边更DOMINANT一点.象我这个BEGINNER阶段,好象更注重整体,其实这些细末的枝
节才是完成整个动作的关键.所谓一步错步步错. 右前臂的事也想过,但是没来得及顾上
方。 | t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 37 Yes, I mean hip lateral move. and you are right, the right shoulder is
accomplished by turning torso from bottom to top. it's not a consciously
move. I should use "you right shoulder will drop" instead of "drop your
right shoulder."
.
movement
critical.
sweeping
【在 p******u 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for your input. I always,well always means less than 2 months in my
: case anyhow, there is but limited amount of lateral movement in down swing.
: The majority part of dropping the shoulder is accomplished by turning
: torso from bottom to top. Or, maybe I misunderstand you. if lateral movement
: does not mean hip movement. But indeed shallowing the plane is so critical.
: That's why it's hard for me to hit the driver. Sweeping, sweeping, sweeping
: .【 在 typhoon (无所谓) 的大作中提到: 】
: the
: likely
: sync
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 38 i agree. the right shoulder movement is a key thing as well. however,
imaging the "rotation" would make it less trouble.
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I mean hip lateral move. and you are right, the right shoulder is
: accomplished by turning torso from bottom to top. it's not a consciously
: move. I should use "you right shoulder will drop" instead of "drop your
: right shoulder."
:
: .
: movement
: critical.
: sweeping
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 39 pull.. yah.. it's kind like "the hands PULL club head".
right forearm is movement? it's more like "chop"
比如你用斧头低手去砍一个矮的树桩时手前臂的动作。
因为你的球杆头和杆是个L形，所以你不会得到＂砍＂球的效果，而是将球SWEEP起。
当然，这里依然还有个the timing between hip rotation and shoulder rotation.
actually, when I showed my swing to my friend, Scotty, I showed "different
grib, different posture" or whatever, I was still able to strike ball
straight for all irons.. it's pretty funny.
【在 p******u 的大作中提到】
: PULL啥意思,是说手总是在CLUB HEAD前面吗?右前臂的动作是和左前臂契合的吧,当然想
: 象中右边更DOMINANT一点.象我这个BEGINNER阶段,好象更注重整体,其实这些细末的枝
: 节才是完成整个动作的关键.所谓一步错步步错. 右前臂的事也想过,但是没来得及顾上
: 方。
| p******u
发帖数: 101 | 40 hmmm, thank you for all the great tips. I was told the right forearm acts
like whipping. But basically same concept.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: pull.. yah.. it's kind like "the hands PULL club head".
: right forearm is movement? it's more like "chop"
: 比如你用斧头低手去砍一个矮的树桩时手前臂的动作。
: 因为你的球杆头和杆是个L形，所以你不会得到＂砍＂球的效果，而是将球SWEEP起。
: 当然，这里依然还有个the timing between hip rotation and shoulder rotation.
: actually, when I showed my swing to my friend, Scotty, I showed "different
: grib, different posture" or whatever, I was still able to strike ball
: straight for all irons.. it's pretty funny.
| | | ET
发帖数: 10701 | 41 sure. but , just as you said, those things come out at different stage. i
know even some pros can't do the forearm thing, also some good college
players, even they know they are supposed to do.
for me, I am not quite sure my tips are really helpful for individuals or
not since there are not sample yet - i don't teach any more. and don't want
to do it either. ( i mean teaching real person. ). but i just keep wondering
, if i teach someone all I know, will the learning curve be speeding up?
【在 p******u 的大作中提到】
: hmmm, thank you for all the great tips. I was told the right forearm acts
: like whipping. But basically same concept.
| p******u
发帖数: 101 | 42 I've been into golf for 2 months and I have tried 3 instructors already. One
is a professional tournament player staying at home this year recovering
from some accident, one is a very experienced, reputed local instructor
working for a private club, one is a so called lpga master instructor.( I'm
always confused about their titles and class system). Well, I have to say it
's indeed very helpful to have a instuctor at the very beginning. But the
effect really depends on diffrent instructors/learn
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: sure. but , just as you said, those things come out at different stage. i
: know even some pros can't do the forearm thing, also some good college
: players, even they know they are supposed to do.
: for me, I am not quite sure my tips are really helpful for individuals or
: not since there are not sample yet - i don't teach any more. and don't want
: to do it either. ( i mean teaching real person. ). but i just keep wondering
: , if i teach someone all I know, will the learning curve be speeding up?
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 43 2 months.. u gotta long long long way to go.. keep up.. whoever you pick,
all work 1.
One
m
it
of
be
is
【在 p******u 的大作中提到】
: I've been into golf for 2 months and I have tried 3 instructors already. One
: is a professional tournament player staying at home this year recovering
: from some accident, one is a very experienced, reputed local instructor
: working for a private club, one is a so called lpga master instructor.( I'm
: always confused about their titles and class system). Well, I have to say it
: 's indeed very helpful to have a instuctor at the very beginning. But the
: effect really depends on diffrent instructors/learn
| Z****n
发帖数: 108 | 44 This guy's comment is very similar to what my instructor told me. I tend to
hinge my wrist in the very early
back swing, so my instructor developed some drill to help me prevent this
early hinge. However one of my
friend (who plays pretty well) tell me to hinge early. I thought my
instructor was right. But after reading all
the posts here, I guess whether right or not really depends. But I did feel
late hinge is a bit easier to make
your back swing more consistent.
taught
begin
teachings
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: a guy commented the hinge like this:
: you definetly have a players swing. but having a pro in my family has taught
: me to pick out the slightest falws in a swing. to me, it looks as you begin
: the swing with a quick hinge of your wrists. I would suggest not setting
: them as soon, but you have a teacher, and you need to focus on his teachings
: not what i say
| ET
发帖数: 10701 | 45 re-watched several different videos from this guy..
now doubt how could I like it..
alrighty, i like his backswing plane..
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: I really like it..
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPbfC2sSx-o
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