t*******t
发帖数: 1656 | 1 There are quite a few clips on youtube about how to hit a draw. Have you
guys found any particular useful one?
I found one and there were a few adjustment to normal (straight) swing to
hit a draw.
1. club face slightly close
2. right foot slightly back
3. hitting inside out
I followed it and sometimes it works well. However when it does not work, I
hit a hook and the ball goes straight to left. I think it is because I fail
to hit inside out.
I hesitate to use it on course because of the hook can be disastrous. |
f*t
发帖数: 382 | 2 that's how I do it.
for point 2, I shall chang it to the foot and the whole body line up to the
start line of the ball, which is to the right. then make sure you swing
along your alignment line.
or I use
align your body to the start line, aim your club face to the target. |
t*******t
发帖数: 1656 | 3 there is another way proposed by some (including Johnny Miller) to slightly
twist the grip to the right and then turn the right hand over left hand at
impact. I never tried that method and feel it is much harder to execute.
Anyone tried?
the
【在 f*t 的大作中提到】
: that's how I do it.
: for point 2, I shall chang it to the foot and the whole body line up to the
: start line of the ball, which is to the right. then make sure you swing
: along your alignment line.
: or I use
: align your body to the start line, aim your club face to the target.
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a***x
发帖数: 398 | 4 Draw and Fade are all very visualized shots. Jack Nicklaus said : "always
aim your club head square where you want the ball drop, align your body to
where you want the ball start."
Here is my routine:
1.pick the target line, pick the start line. Visualize the whole ball flight
trace in mind.
2.take the normal stance parallel to the start line,ball in normal position.
3.adjust club face open(fade) or close(draw), aim it square to the target
line.
4,take normal,nature grip. don't need to be strong or weak.
At this point, You will find if using target line as a reference line, your
nature grip become strong (for draw) or weak (for fade) automatically, and
ball position become a little forward (for fade) or little back (for draw)
automatically.
最难的是预想线路和上面说的关系，多练习，慢慢预想的ball flight就和你的占位，
swing联系起来了。到这个阶段，就可以设计球路了，下场的乐趣就多多了。 |
a***x
发帖数: 398 | 5 body line和 target line 之间的角度，就是swing path 和target line（在球的位置
交叉）角度非常重要，而且和击球时，club的速度还有关。只有靠多练，熟练。刚开始
练的时候，经常是fade 打成 pull， draw 打成push。 |
t*******t
发帖数: 1656 | 6 My natural swing is slice/fade. Any suggestion to hit draw more consistent?
flight
position.
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: Draw and Fade are all very visualized shots. Jack Nicklaus said : "always
: aim your club head square where you want the ball drop, align your body to
: where you want the ball start."
: Here is my routine:
: 1.pick the target line, pick the start line. Visualize the whole ball flight
: trace in mind.
: 2.take the normal stance parallel to the start line,ball in normal position.
: 3.adjust club face open(fade) or close(draw), aim it square to the target
: line.
: 4,take normal,nature grip. don't need to be strong or weak.
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a***x
发帖数: 398 | 7 I can feel your pain. My nature swing also prefer fade/slice. I can hit fade
with no intentional concern. but for a good draw, I have to pay attention
to lot's of detail factors to hit it. Only practice more will train the body
feeling about the draw. It is against self's nature, so it is hard. maybe
this video will help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKywqQUdBr0 |
A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 8 my observation on few good players I know is that: low handi players tend to
draw naturally.
i never learn how to draw or fade, I watched one session from golf channel
before, in which others were asking VJ how to draw on driver. VJ joked, why
you want to draw? you can not hit straight?
After years playing, now i changed from naturally fade to naturally draw.
But I still prefer hitting it straight if possible. Only use draw or fade
for some specially holes.
fade
body
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: I can feel your pain. My nature swing also prefer fade/slice. I can hit fade
: with no intentional concern. but for a good draw, I have to pay attention
: to lot's of detail factors to hit it. Only practice more will train the body
: feeling about the draw. It is against self's nature, so it is hard. maybe
: this video will help:
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKywqQUdBr0
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u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 9 hehe, agree. imo, it's all about swing path.
to
why
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: my observation on few good players I know is that: low handi players tend to
: draw naturally.
: i never learn how to draw or fade, I watched one session from golf channel
: before, in which others were asking VJ how to draw on driver. VJ joked, why
: you want to draw? you can not hit straight?
: After years playing, now i changed from naturally fade to naturally draw.
: But I still prefer hitting it straight if possible. Only use draw or fade
: for some specially holes.
:
: fade
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p****4
发帖数: 517 | 10 When the club face is slightly closed (facing to the left of your swing
direction), it is a draw. Slightly open gets your a fade.
Set up posture is one of the way. Some better golfers I play with control
the degree of draw by changing the timing of wrist turn or altering swing
plane. Martin hall at School of Golf talked about how to hit draw. The urban
legend way is that slow swing brings a draw and fast swing brings a fade.
try it.
I
fail
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】
: There are quite a few clips on youtube about how to hit a draw. Have you
: guys found any particular useful one?
: I found one and there were a few adjustment to normal (straight) swing to
: hit a draw.
: 1. club face slightly close
: 2. right foot slightly back
: 3. hitting inside out
: I followed it and sometimes it works well. However when it does not work, I
: hit a hook and the ball goes straight to left. I think it is because I fail
: to hit inside out.
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j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 11 今天在range试了一下，确实比纯靠wrist要稳定的的多。set club face to target
line以后基本不用考虑wrist turn， 只要保证swing path inside out 就行了。看来
身体的执行能力确实是远远小于大脑想象能力的。 呵呵，多谢
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: body line和 target line 之间的角度，就是swing path 和target line（在球的位置
: 交叉）角度非常重要，而且和击球时，club的速度还有关。只有靠多练，熟练。刚开始
: 练的时候，经常是fade 打成 pull， draw 打成push。
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a***x
发帖数: 398 | 12 这个靠占位和clubface的角度打draw，fade的方法，我是按照Luke Donald 和 Justin
Rose的提示练的。练的越多，越觉得简单稳定，控制球路越得心应手，尤其是下场的时
候根据风向，地形可以打出设计的球路后，那乐趣一下就变高了。呵呵！ |
t*******t
发帖数: 1656 | 13 tried your method at practice range and it worked ... but not all the time.
One question:
Do you need to adjust the ball position to the club head? When I hit
straight, I align the ball center with sweet spot of the club. When I hit
draw, do I need to align the ball center further away from sweet spot, and
when I hit fade, align the ball center closer? This way, I feel I have more
club surface to add the side spin.
flight
position.
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: Draw and Fade are all very visualized shots. Jack Nicklaus said : "always
: aim your club head square where you want the ball drop, align your body to
: where you want the ball start."
: Here is my routine:
: 1.pick the target line, pick the start line. Visualize the whole ball flight
: trace in mind.
: 2.take the normal stance parallel to the start line,ball in normal position.
: 3.adjust club face open(fade) or close(draw), aim it square to the target
: line.
: 4,take normal,nature grip. don't need to be strong or weak.
|
t*******t
发帖数: 1656 | 14 also I found it hard to control the angle of draw/fade. Sometimes it turns
more, some times less. When it turns more I lose more distance. Do you have
any 心得体会 如何控制转弯角度和飞行距离？
比如说某一个club,我打直线是180 yards, 现在我要draw一个160 yards绕过一棵树。
可以短但是不能长。我如何估算角度，又如何执行呢？
more
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】
: tried your method at practice range and it worked ... but not all the time.
: One question:
: Do you need to adjust the ball position to the club head? When I hit
: straight, I align the ball center with sweet spot of the club. When I hit
: draw, do I need to align the ball center further away from sweet spot, and
: when I hit fade, align the ball center closer? This way, I feel I have more
: club surface to add the side spin.
:
: flight
: position.
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t*******t
发帖数: 1656 | 15 我用中文再试试，看可不可以问得清楚一点。
我感觉要打draw/fade是要加上侧旋。要加侧旋就必须有球在杆面上的侧向滚动。所以
如果正对甜点击球，而杆面又是斜的话，就会push/pull. 如果不正对甜点，击球后球
与杆面会有侧向滚动 before 甜点击到球， 这样侧旋就有了。
问题时，at address,球需要离甜点多远呢？
more
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】
: tried your method at practice range and it worked ... but not all the time.
: One question:
: Do you need to adjust the ball position to the club head? When I hit
: straight, I align the ball center with sweet spot of the club. When I hit
: draw, do I need to align the ball center further away from sweet spot, and
: when I hit fade, align the ball center closer? This way, I feel I have more
: club surface to add the side spin.
:
: flight
: position.
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q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 16 杆头的移动方向是球飞出去的起始方向。如果你的杆面和它的移动方向垂直，就不会有
侧旋，打出去的球就会是直线的。在这种情况下如果是inside-out, 就是push；如果是
outside-in，就是pull。
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】
: 我用中文再试试，看可不可以问得清楚一点。
: 我感觉要打draw/fade是要加上侧旋。要加侧旋就必须有球在杆面上的侧向滚动。所以
: 如果正对甜点击球，而杆面又是斜的话，就会push/pull. 如果不正对甜点，击球后球
: 与杆面会有侧向滚动 before 甜点击到球， 这样侧旋就有了。
: 问题时，at address,球需要离甜点多远呢？
:
: more
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t*******t
发帖数: 1656 | 17 我问的情形杆面和球飞出去的起始方向不是垂直的.(for draw/fade)
我问的是在此情形下球要不要正对甜点。如果不要，要离多远才有想要的飞行弧度与距
离。
【在 q***q 的大作中提到】
: 杆头的移动方向是球飞出去的起始方向。如果你的杆面和它的移动方向垂直，就不会有
: 侧旋，打出去的球就会是直线的。在这种情况下如果是inside-out, 就是push；如果是
: outside-in，就是pull。
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a***x
发帖数: 398 | 18 是这样， 对于第一个问题：打draw的时候，球要稍微靠近toe，并让toe稍稍上翘，感
觉手在压杆把。打fade的时候，球稍微靠近heel，heel稍微提一些。这些小调整都是为
了跟swing path相配合，做到击球还是在sweet spot上。
对第二个问题，这个太难了，跟swing speed，carry，风速， 等等等等有关。每个人
都不一样，只能靠多打多练，练出自己的感觉，让打出来的球路和脑子里设计的吻合。
给个提示，做个几何计算， 对于driver，250码的carry， 1degree夹角大概等于5feet
偏差. 刚开始的时候一般容易把夹角设计的偏大，draw打成hook，fade打成slice。其
实后面你会发现，你认为占的是直线时，就已经是open或者close了。
我恨“稍微”，“一点儿”，“a little bit这种词，但没办法，这些针对每个人试出
来的东西还真没法定量。
加油！ |
q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 19 还是要打甜点吧。打甜点的目的是杆头在打击的一刻不会转，所以动能可以有效的传递
，这跟杆头移动方向没有关系，所以跟打出什么曲线没有关系。
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】
: 我问的情形杆面和球飞出去的起始方向不是垂直的.(for draw/fade)
: 我问的是在此情形下球要不要正对甜点。如果不要，要离多远才有想要的飞行弧度与距
: 离。
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a***x
发帖数: 398 | 20 对不起， 250 yard ，偏差1度，是5yard， 不是5 feet，单位写错了。 |
