C**R
发帖数: 1047 | |
b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 2 什么是h index？
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 各位的h index都多少？
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T*********r
发帖数: 11175 | 3 如果你发了n篇被引用n次或以上的文章，你的h就是n
这东西没什么用
找工作时候，别人也不看这个吧
属于给没法评价你工作的外行看的
不过在物理这行一般找到faculty的人
怎么也得20我估计
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 什么是h index？
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 4 这个只算第一作者的，还是共同作者的都算？
只算journal paper的，还是会议的也统计？
【在 T*********r 的大作中提到】
: 如果你发了n篇被引用n次或以上的文章，你的h就是n
: 这东西没什么用
: 找工作时候，别人也不看这个吧
: 属于给没法评价你工作的外行看的
: 不过在物理这行一般找到faculty的人
: 怎么也得20我估计
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T*********r
发帖数: 11175 | 5 算法不是唯一的
怎么算看领域
有领域压根没一作的说法
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这个只算第一作者的，还是共同作者的都算？
: 只算journal paper的，还是会议的也统计？
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T*********r
发帖数: 11175 | 6 这h index不到十几，也没什么意义
如果你的proceeding能被人引个十几二十次
那一定是有特别之处了
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这个只算第一作者的，还是共同作者的都算？
: 只算journal paper的，还是会议的也统计？
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 7 是跟领域关系太大了；有的领域，广泛受认可的杂志的影响因子才3.0左右，咋做大呢
，呵呵
【在 T*********r 的大作中提到】
: 算法不是唯一的
: 怎么算看领域
: 有领域压根没一作的说法
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T*********r
发帖数: 11175 | 8 IF这种东西也是给外行看的
我好几年没看过if
结果前段时间某天有人给我show了下prd，plb这样杂志的if
竟然都5.出头了
我上次注意过这事的时候才3.几
而我对这两属于本领域最烂的两杂志，我一般referee上面的文章，
只要说得过去，能有那么一个nontrivial的新东西，也就放过去了
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 是跟领域关系太大了；有的领域，广泛受认可的杂志的影响因子才3.0左右，咋做大呢
: ，呵呵
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 9 在凝聚态方向，20几就可以轻松过tenure review了。达到35就可以正教授了。
【在 T*********r 的大作中提到】
: 如果你发了n篇被引用n次或以上的文章，你的h就是n
: 这东西没什么用
: 找工作时候，别人也不看这个吧
: 属于给没法评价你工作的外行看的
: 不过在物理这行一般找到faculty的人
: 怎么也得20我估计
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 10 共同作者的都算
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 是跟领域关系太大了；有的领域，广泛受认可的杂志的影响因子才3.0左右，咋做大呢
: ，呵呵
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 11 总不会你的文章总是给这个journal拖后腿的吧？
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 是跟领域关系太大了；有的领域，广泛受认可的杂志的影响因子才3.0左右，咋做大呢
: ，呵呵
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 12 没有，至今一篇也没中过，对我来说太难了，呵呵
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 总不会你的文章总是给这个journal拖后腿的吧？
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m****s
发帖数: 402 | |
C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 14 但是只拿三个citation肯定不算顶级paper，对不？
【在 m****s 的大作中提到】
: EE的3.0算顶级刊物了。
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s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 15 35据H本人说是院士水平了吧。
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 在凝聚态方向，20几就可以轻松过tenure review了。达到35就可以正教授了。
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 16 问题是评tenure，提拔正教授；他们用这个做主要依据吗
【在 s***e 的大作中提到】
: 35据H本人说是院士水平了吧。
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 17 如果你的citation和H-index牛的话，
当然列了。这是很明显的证据说明你的工作影响力大阿。
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 问题是评tenure，提拔正教授；他们用这个做主要依据吗
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k**l
发帖数: 1937 | 18 大部分正教授哪里到得了35啊
nano有可能
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 在凝聚态方向，20几就可以轻松过tenure review了。达到35就可以正教授了。
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 19 你说的很对
【在 k**l 的大作中提到】
: 大部分正教授哪里到得了35啊
: nano有可能
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 20 我现在只有4，各位多少？
【在 k**l 的大作中提到】
: 大部分正教授哪里到得了35啊
: nano有可能
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T*********r
发帖数: 11175 | 21 你要是学生，就慢慢混呗
再说有时候被引用也不见得是好事
最近我和另两合作者的名字还被几大佬写在abstract说我们东西已经被什么rule out了
多丢人阿
不过正准备fight back，他们那个说法有点太strong
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 我现在只有4，各位多少？
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 22 不是说有个ap，有一篇文章被引用了超过100次；用来评tenure，让committee觉得不错
后来说，别人引用他的，就是批判他的方法不对。。。
【在 T*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你要是学生，就慢慢混呗
: 再说有时候被引用也不见得是好事
: 最近我和另两合作者的名字还被几大佬写在abstract说我们东西已经被什么rule out了
: 多丢人阿
: 不过正准备fight back，他们那个说法有点太strong
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 23 学生的话，有4很牛了吧
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 我现在只有4，各位多少？
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s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 24 有不少地方是用的。
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 学生的话，有4很牛了吧
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 25 我是学生，发现从4到5真的有难度。这个东西虽然难度不是指数上升，但是也差不多
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 学生的话，有4很牛了吧
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 26 学生就不要算啥H-index了吧，没啥意义。
我的标准就是文章50篇，H-index 20, citation1000才是刚刚established。
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 我是学生，发现从4到5真的有难度。这个东西虽然难度不是指数上升，但是也差不多
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 27 为啥没有意义？
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 学生就不要算啥H-index了吧，没啥意义。
: 我的标准就是文章50篇，H-index 20, citation1000才是刚刚established。
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m***l
发帖数: 267 | 28 刚刚一个mit评上tenure的同行，没有达到这个标准
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 学生就不要算啥H-index了吧，没啥意义。
: 我的标准就是文章50篇，H-index 20, citation1000才是刚刚established。
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 29 什么方向的？
【在 m***l 的大作中提到】
: 刚刚一个mit评上tenure的同行，没有达到这个标准
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 30 当然，这个标准只是我的心理价位，跟任何人无关。
我觉得如果没有达到，就没有established.
我认识的不少刚拿tenure或者tenure了一两年的都达到了，
没达到的都是做的工作影响力不够的。
【在 m***l 的大作中提到】
: 刚刚一个mit评上tenure的同行，没有达到这个标准
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 31 我觉得H-index10-40的时候比较有意义，
太低或者太高都没啥意思去比较。
太低的时候要看文章数量，
太高的时候要看平均citation。
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 为啥没有意义？
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m****s
发帖数: 402 | 32 有一篇citation到2000的比100篇100citation的强。h-index过了30就没意义了。 |
C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 33 这个不一定对。学校要衡量你是否还active，h index可以说明你的active的程度。所
谓active，就是还能搞到钱，还能带学生。
【在 m****s 的大作中提到】
: 有一篇citation到2000的比100篇100citation的强。h-index过了30就没意义了。
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 34 那也很牛比，人人都来踩一脚
不错
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 学生的话，有4很牛了吧
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 35 什么逻辑
h index又不看发表文章的时间
一般来说越老的教授h index越高，跟活跃度正好反相关
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 这个不一定对。学校要衡量你是否还active，h index可以说明你的active的程度。所
: 谓active，就是还能搞到钱，还能带学生。
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m***l
发帖数: 267 | 36 这个东西跟专业、方向关联度太大，不能一概而论
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 当然，这个标准只是我的心理价位，跟任何人无关。
: 我觉得如果没有达到，就没有established.
: 我认识的不少刚拿tenure或者tenure了一两年的都达到了，
: 没达到的都是做的工作影响力不够的。
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 37 其实，没你想象的那么大。
我所说的，也不过是化学、材料、物理里面见到的人。
【在 m***l 的大作中提到】
: 这个东西跟专业、方向关联度太大，不能一概而论
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N***m
发帖数: 4460 | 38 有的牛人不热衷于发文章，拿到tenure之后只发了几片，
但是基本片片引用大于200。像不灌无营养水的牛人们致敬。
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 其实，没你想象的那么大。
: 我所说的，也不过是化学、材料、物理里面见到的人。
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 39 how about their funding situation?
【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 有的牛人不热衷于发文章，拿到tenure之后只发了几片，
: 但是基本片片引用大于200。像不灌无营养水的牛人们致敬。
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 40 空说无凭，举几个这样的例子吧。。。
至少我们这行，没有拿到tenure之后只发几篇的所谓大牛。
所谓牛人，文章是又多又好的。
【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 有的牛人不热衷于发文章，拿到tenure之后只发了几片，
: 但是基本片片引用大于200。像不灌无营养水的牛人们致敬。
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N***m
发帖数: 4460 | 41 我是幻想的，呵呵。
也许有这样的人吧。
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 空说无凭，举几个这样的例子吧。。。
: 至少我们这行，没有拿到tenure之后只发几篇的所谓大牛。
: 所谓牛人，文章是又多又好的。
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N***m
发帖数: 4460 | 42 拿了tenure，不就是养老了吗？
要是我就教教课，少谈点科研，多省心~~
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: how about their funding situation?
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 43 真好
都不用找钱养活学生
【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: 拿了tenure，不就是养老了吗？
: 要是我就教教课，少谈点科研，多省心~~
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 44 那就应该比dh/dt
【在 s*******n 的大作中提到】
: 什么逻辑
: h index又不看发表文章的时间
: 一般来说越老的教授h index越高，跟活跃度正好反相关
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 45 you're in a different field i can be sure.
google steve shenker (stanf), emil martinec (chica), dan friedan (rutgs),
petr horava (berke). it's better to use spires.
any of the above people should have about 10k citations (horava having the
least citations, but doesn't mean he's not as good.). and uniformly 50 papers or so.
in addition, they're all about 50 years old. they are not necessarily the
best in my field, but should be very close if not.
one characteristic of these authors is that their
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 空说无凭，举几个这样的例子吧。。。
: 至少我们这行，没有拿到tenure之后只发几篇的所谓大牛。
: 所谓牛人，文章是又多又好的。
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s*******n
发帖数: 1474 | 46 这个靠谱
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 那就应该比dh/dt
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 47 surely we are not in the same field...
these three people or just one group?
they published the most influential papers together.
in my area, it is not unusual to get around 6000 citations at 50s.
papers or so.
and
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: you're in a different field i can be sure.
: google steve shenker (stanf), emil martinec (chica), dan friedan (rutgs),
: petr horava (berke). it's better to use spires.
: any of the above people should have about 10k citations (horava having the
: least citations, but doesn't mean he's not as good.). and uniformly 50 papers or so.
: in addition, they're all about 50 years old. they are not necessarily the
: best in my field, but should be very close if not.
: one characteristic of these authors is that their
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 48 checked "petr horava", oh, a string theoretician who graduated from Witten's
group. publication record is not very impressive except those two with
Witten.
I am not an expert on String but heard this may be a hoax.
papers or so.
and
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: you're in a different field i can be sure.
: google steve shenker (stanf), emil martinec (chica), dan friedan (rutgs),
: petr horava (berke). it's better to use spires.
: any of the above people should have about 10k citations (horava having the
: least citations, but doesn't mean he's not as good.). and uniformly 50 papers or so.
: in addition, they're all about 50 years old. they are not necessarily the
: best in my field, but should be very close if not.
: one characteristic of these authors is that their
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 49 you're entitled to your opinions, or others opinions in this case, as you
just hear things.
if it's a hoax, it certainly haven't hoaxed you. so why have an attitude.
i think if you must have an opinion, this is not one topic for you to speak.
for the record, Petr Horava is a czech physicist who showed on the world
stage by making
fine discoveries while isolated in Prague. he was not a graduate student of
Witten's although
they collaborated as you found.
since you won't understand what counts as
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: checked "petr horava", oh, a string theoretician who graduated from Witten's
: group. publication record is not very impressive except those two with
: Witten.
: I am not an expert on String but heard this may be a hoax.
:
: papers or so.
: and
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 50 another thing is,
do not just think doing theory is more serious about science.
papers or so.
and
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: you're in a different field i can be sure.
: google steve shenker (stanf), emil martinec (chica), dan friedan (rutgs),
: petr horava (berke). it's better to use spires.
: any of the above people should have about 10k citations (horava having the
: least citations, but doesn't mean he's not as good.). and uniformly 50 papers or so.
: in addition, they're all about 50 years old. they are not necessarily the
: best in my field, but should be very close if not.
: one characteristic of these authors is that their
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 51
and we are not the same kind of person.
nope, they just collaborated
just like polyakov and zamolodchikov and zamolodchikov used to
it is one of the most influential papers setting the framework, for that you
're not wrong
your area is certainly making big impact on the human intellectual arena,
although i cannot
think of what field that could be.
but congratulations, lives of our future generations will be built on your
fine discoveries.
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: surely we are not in the same field...
: these three people or just one group?
: they published the most influential papers together.
: in my area, it is not unusual to get around 6000 citations at 50s.
:
: papers or so.
: and
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 52 not interested in string at all.
speak.
of
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: you're entitled to your opinions, or others opinions in this case, as you
: just hear things.
: if it's a hoax, it certainly haven't hoaxed you. so why have an attitude.
: i think if you must have an opinion, this is not one topic for you to speak.
: for the record, Petr Horava is a czech physicist who showed on the world
: stage by making
: fine discoveries while isolated in Prague. he was not a graduate student of
: Witten's although
: they collaborated as you found.
: since you won't understand what counts as
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 53
you have problems understanding the meaning of a sentence.
it is by their example one knows that there Exists people who are serious
about science.
it under no circumstances would imply experimentalists are not as serious
about science.
i have the most respects to people who do experiments which matter.
it is a contrast to those who are not as serious about science, and
publishes not important papers.
but that is not their fault entirely, not everyone can be as good as these
people are.
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: another thing is,
: do not just think doing theory is more serious about science.
:
: papers or so.
: and
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 54 that is a healthy attitude.
but saying it's a hoax because you heard so is not very scientific.
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: not interested in string at all.
:
: speak.
: of
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 55 it is more difficult for experimentalists to get citations...
you
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: that is a healthy attitude.
: but saying it's a hoax because you heard so is not very scientific.
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 56 well, I read from Physics Today and some Nobel Prize laureates said that.
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: that is a healthy attitude.
: but saying it's a hoax because you heard so is not very scientific.
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 57 another thing is we went off topic at your reply to my post.
i was using those people as important figures in my field who don't run a
publication mill.
and you thought they're just average as your field has more productive
figures.
ok, fine. so how many papers are those people publishing get their 6000
cites?
these people have their papers cited 200 times on average, don't tell me
that's also average in your field.
in any case, they are important figures who didn't publish much (in general
publ
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: another thing is,
: do not just think doing theory is more serious about science.
:
: papers or so.
: and
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 58 again, they are entitled to their opinions.
Einstein disliked QM
Dirac disliked QFT
there are all kinds of personal or subjective reasons for people to dislike
things
but the solid work always survives.
(actually you can see that by singling out figures who don't publish all that much, sort of to the disadvantage
of string theory standpoint, i am saying not all work done in string theory is worth survival and those will die
out.)
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: well, I read from Physics Today and some Nobel Prize laureates said that.
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 59 well, if you don't imply that, that's good.
experimentalists tend to publish more and but harder to get equally cited.
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: again, they are entitled to their opinions.
: Einstein disliked QM
: Dirac disliked QFT
: there are all kinds of personal or subjective reasons for people to dislike
: things
: but the solid work always survives.
: (actually you can see that by singling out figures who don't publish all that much, sort of to the disadvantage
: of string theory standpoint, i am saying not all work done in string theory is worth survival and those will die
: out.)
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 60 i don't imply that.
moreover, lots of times theorists behave like kids, trying to showoff who
can figure out the formula first.
it is not ridiculous but laughable.
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: well, if you don't imply that, that's good.
: experimentalists tend to publish more and but harder to get equally cited.
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 61 This record below is from one of the most influential scientists in the world.
Do you think he is less serious about science just because he published more
but have a lower number for average citations?
Results found: 1,202
Sum of the Times Cited: 102,820
Average Citations per Item: 85.54
h-index: 160
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: i don't imply that.
: moreover, lots of times theorists behave like kids, trying to showoff who
: can figure out the formula first.
: it is not ridiculous but laughable.
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w******a
发帖数: 2592 | 62 这是啥玩意？
20你说的是平均引用次数吧
而且你说的这个也不对，两个n不是一个n吧
是不是你要表达，发表了m篇引用n次或以上的文章，then h=n
那要是n大于等于20，这个人是神人了
【在 T*********r 的大作中提到】
: 如果你发了n篇被引用n次或以上的文章，你的h就是n
: 这东西没什么用
: 找工作时候，别人也不看这个吧
: 属于给没法评价你工作的外行看的
: 不过在物理这行一般找到faculty的人
: 怎么也得20我估计
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 63 应该这样表达：
你发了m篇文章，其中的n篇文章(n<=m)每篇被引用至少n次，
这时，你的H-index is n.
【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: 这是啥玩意？
: 20你说的是平均引用次数吧
: 而且你说的这个也不对，两个n不是一个n吧
: 是不是你要表达，发表了m篇引用n次或以上的文章，then h=n
: 那要是n大于等于20，这个人是神人了
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w******a
发帖数: 2592 | 64 这例子举的。。。
前三人都可以算是创始人那一批了
开始的那几篇引用次数自然多
Stanf其他人都是N百篇加上100+或者200+的citation
papers or so.
and
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: you're in a different field i can be sure.
: google steve shenker (stanf), emil martinec (chica), dan friedan (rutgs),
: petr horava (berke). it's better to use spires.
: any of the above people should have about 10k citations (horava having the
: least citations, but doesn't mean he's not as good.). and uniformly 50 papers or so.
: in addition, they're all about 50 years old. they are not necessarily the
: best in my field, but should be very close if not.
: one characteristic of these authors is that their
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 65 1-2 papers/year is quite enough for solo
however, for a group of more than ten students and with million dollar
support, you cannot just publish 1-2 papers per year. the number of paper is
money driven in the end for some experimentalists.
papers or so.
and
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: you're in a different field i can be sure.
: google steve shenker (stanf), emil martinec (chica), dan friedan (rutgs),
: petr horava (berke). it's better to use spires.
: any of the above people should have about 10k citations (horava having the
: least citations, but doesn't mean he's not as good.). and uniformly 50 papers or so.
: in addition, they're all about 50 years old. they are not necessarily the
: best in my field, but should be very close if not.
: one characteristic of these authors is that their
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 66 why would you guys even care about string on this board? It is not even
physical science. they belong to mathematicians.
's
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: checked "petr horava", oh, a string theoretician who graduated from Witten's
: group. publication record is not very impressive except those two with
: Witten.
: I am not an expert on String but heard this may be a hoax.
:
: papers or so.
: and
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 67 that is like an ostrich hiding its head in the sand
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: why would you guys even care about string on this board? It is not even
: physical science. they belong to mathematicians.
:
: 's
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 68
is
biznis biznis
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 1-2 papers/year is quite enough for solo
: however, for a group of more than ten students and with million dollar
: support, you cannot just publish 1-2 papers per year. the number of paper is
: money driven in the end for some experimentalists.
:
: papers or so.
: and
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 69 whatever
some mathematicians try to prove a string is physical by equations. isn't it
like 民科？
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: that is like an ostrich hiding its head in the sand
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 70 no idea, man. i am not a statistician or philosophy of science major.
world.
not sure he's worth this big an honor.
in my book, influence is not necessarily bad but sometimes close.
more
yeah, like kids like to see who has the better toy, and adults who have the
bigger dick and better girl, let's
compare that 'most influential scientist' with one of my favorite cards:
Renowned papers(500+ cites): 51
Famous papers (250-499 cites) : 48
Very well-known papers (100-249) : 77
Well-
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: This record below is from one of the most influential scientists in the world.
: Do you think he is less serious about science just because he published more
: but have a lower number for average citations?
: Results found: 1,202
: Sum of the Times Cited: 102,820
: Average Citations per Item: 85.54
: h-index: 160
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 71
that's sort of the point.
someone said a guy who doesn't publish much after tenure won't be important.
well, guess who gets the
citations when others publish and publish.
and personally, i don't think that means they're better than shenker.
they're just busier (writing papers, not necessarily busier thinking).
and i don't want to be too opinionated here.
whenever someone publishes 200+(in quantity), i have a question mark raised. not about their abilities, but
about their tastes.
it's like cost
【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: 这例子举的。。。
: 前三人都可以算是创始人那一批了
: 开始的那几篇引用次数自然多
: Stanf其他人都是N百篇加上100+或者200+的citation
:
: papers or so.
: and
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 72 sure, quarks were first fictional and then real. don't you read history?
plus, a theorist is never limited to study what experimentalists have done.
and don't tell me experimentalists found positron before Dirac proved its
existence by an EQUATION.
calling other people whatever names isn't going to help your physics.
(Let me add my favorite for this, didn't Einstein predict the cosmological constant 80 years before it's
observed?)
it
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: whatever
: some mathematicians try to prove a string is physical by equations. isn't it
: like 民科？
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 73 good luck, strings!
what makes a living makes u a living. i would feel strong about it if i were
u.
but, sorry. so far, no string theorists have derived anything useful for a
practical energy scale, right? that's why so many of ur kind are interested
in cosmology where the experiments were done by nature.
.
constant 80 years before it's
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: sure, quarks were first fictional and then real. don't you read history?
: plus, a theorist is never limited to study what experimentalists have done.
: and don't tell me experimentalists found positron before Dirac proved its
: existence by an EQUATION.
: calling other people whatever names isn't going to help your physics.
: (Let me add my favorite for this, didn't Einstein predict the cosmological constant 80 years before it's
: observed?)
:
: it
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w******a
发帖数: 2592 | 74 you don't have to be so serious, man
string theory is the safest choice right now anyway, and everybody knows
that
.
constant 80 years before it's
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: sure, quarks were first fictional and then real. don't you read history?
: plus, a theorist is never limited to study what experimentalists have done.
: and don't tell me experimentalists found positron before Dirac proved its
: existence by an EQUATION.
: calling other people whatever names isn't going to help your physics.
: (Let me add my favorite for this, didn't Einstein predict the cosmological constant 80 years before it's
: observed?)
:
: it
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w******a
发帖数: 2592 | 75 你真可笑，全都做出来了我们还去做什么
string现在做应用的主要分为两派，一是string ph，虽然现在还不能得到一个真实的
模型，但是年复一年还是有很多进展（虽然还没有人能证明我们现在的世界就在
landscape中）
二是AdS/CFT，如果凝聚态直接可以验证string theory，我们压根就不用go to high
scale了
另外，你没学过string就不要说string是数学。波尔先生教育我们，
Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think.
so, just shut up.
were
interested
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: good luck, strings!
: what makes a living makes u a living. i would feel strong about it if i were
: u.
: but, sorry. so far, no string theorists have derived anything useful for a
: practical energy scale, right? that's why so many of ur kind are interested
: in cosmology where the experiments were done by nature.
:
: .
: constant 80 years before it's
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w******a
发帖数: 2592 | 76 well, what about 200+ papers with 50+ citations?
if a professor has a lot of students, sure he could be very productive, and
with good physics ideas, too
important.
raised. not about their abilities, but
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: sure, quarks were first fictional and then real. don't you read history?
: plus, a theorist is never limited to study what experimentalists have done.
: and don't tell me experimentalists found positron before Dirac proved its
: existence by an EQUATION.
: calling other people whatever names isn't going to help your physics.
: (Let me add my favorite for this, didn't Einstein predict the cosmological constant 80 years before it's
: observed?)
:
: it
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 77 存在即有道理。你慢慢玩strong theory，我继续whatever。凝聚态要是验证string了
，上帝一定是也可以被验证存在。
【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: 你真可笑，全都做出来了我们还去做什么
: string现在做应用的主要分为两派，一是string ph，虽然现在还不能得到一个真实的
: 模型，但是年复一年还是有很多进展（虽然还没有人能证明我们现在的世界就在
: landscape中）
: 二是AdS/CFT，如果凝聚态直接可以验证string theory，我们压根就不用go to high
: scale了
: 另外，你没学过string就不要说string是数学。波尔先生教育我们，
: Never express yourself more clearly than you are able to think.
: so, just shut up.
:
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 78
were
interested
you don't know my kind. my kind has no interest in cosmology.
you don't know what interests my kind. because it doesn't exist in your
world. so to speak.
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: good luck, strings!
: what makes a living makes u a living. i would feel strong about it if i were
: u.
: but, sorry. so far, no string theorists have derived anything useful for a
: practical energy scale, right? that's why so many of ur kind are interested
: in cosmology where the experiments were done by nature.
:
: .
: constant 80 years before it's
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 79 why do i feel i don't care what everybody knows and thinks about at night
when they can't sleep
i don't have that issue.
you're right. seriousness is not that easy to achieve. relaxing is the way.
【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: you don't have to be so serious, man
: string theory is the safest choice right now anyway, and everybody knows
: that
:
: .
: constant 80 years before it's
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 80 大教授，您真闲
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: why do i feel i don't care what everybody knows and thinks about at night
: when they can't sleep
: i don't have that issue.
: you're right. seriousness is not that easy to achieve. relaxing is the way.
|
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 81 i know who or who abouts you have in mind, and i am not going to comment.
i don't really care that much about other people's affairs.
they're free.
officially, that's a good physicist.
and
【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: well, what about 200+ papers with 50+ citations?
: if a professor has a lot of students, sure he could be very productive, and
: with good physics ideas, too
:
: important.
: raised. not about their abilities, but
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 82
just to correct you that i am not a professor.
you've made your point you have no business with strings. i think it's
gracious for you to shut up about string
theory.
you kind of people are narrow minded and the equivalent of hypocrites in
science.
byebye now.
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 大教授，您真闲
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x***u
发帖数: 6421 | |
w******a
发帖数: 2592 | 84 没学过弦论自然不了解，道听途说一大堆偏见自然就信以为真了
很多人还经常以大师的身份误导别人，比如说李重生
很多做高能的，没学过string，也是对string持否定态度的
不过说实话，任何人，只要看了Polchinski第一章前面的介绍部分，可能就会改变一些
对于超弦理论的认识
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
:
: just to correct you that i am not a professor.
: you've made your point you have no business with strings. i think it's
: gracious for you to shut up about string
: theory.
: you kind of people are narrow minded and the equivalent of hypocrites in
: science.
: byebye now.
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T*********r
发帖数: 11175 | 85 你啊。。。非抬这杠干嘛
wonderlich不是说他们行业吗
也没扩大到全领域
你非要把material science和string theory拿来比。。。。。
papers or so.
and
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: you're in a different field i can be sure.
: google steve shenker (stanf), emil martinec (chica), dan friedan (rutgs),
: petr horava (berke). it's better to use spires.
: any of the above people should have about 10k citations (horava having the
: least citations, but doesn't mean he's not as good.). and uniformly 50 papers or so.
: in addition, they're all about 50 years old. they are not necessarily the
: best in my field, but should be very close if not.
: one characteristic of these authors is that their
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T*********r
发帖数: 11175 | 86 可是这些人都是做实验的吧
理论实验差别还是很大的
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 其实，没你想象的那么大。
: 我所说的，也不过是化学、材料、物理里面见到的人。
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 87 参加大家讲话嘛,讨论H INDEX 看一下弦论的例子还是很有益处的
POLCHINSKI也只有H=50,很多人都50,50跟50不能比,在STRING里面也是这样
所以说这些"数据"只有粗略的指引作用,不然不需要评TENURE找人REVIEW了
这里是物理版吧,又不是材料版,嘿嘿
【在 T*********r 的大作中提到】
: 你啊。。。非抬这杠干嘛
: wonderlich不是说他们行业吗
: 也没扩大到全领域
: 你非要把material science和string theory拿来比。。。。。
:
: papers or so.
: and
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 88 psychologically, creativity is the same in many different fields, that's my
opinion. to learn the basics that sets the stage for personal involvement is where it
differs from one field to another.
the underlying dividing line is not whether it is experimental or
theoretical, rather it's the number of people involved or the kind of daily
work involved. because that decides what set of skills one uses to solve
problems.
in that sense, people who do table top experiments share many
characteristics
【在 T*********r 的大作中提到】
: 可是这些人都是做实验的吧
: 理论实验差别还是很大的
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 89 不看呗，码中文多累
【在 x***u 的大作中提到】
: 韵，吵架都用英语，看着多累啊。
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T*********r
发帖数: 11175 | 90 材料也算凝聚态那块了
所以在物理版无可厚非阿
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 参加大家讲话嘛,讨论H INDEX 看一下弦论的例子还是很有益处的
: POLCHINSKI也只有H=50,很多人都50,50跟50不能比,在STRING里面也是这样
: 所以说这些"数据"只有粗略的指引作用,不然不需要评TENURE找人REVIEW了
: 这里是物理版吧,又不是材料版,嘿嘿
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|
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 91 那还有生物物理
并版吧
【在 T*********r 的大作中提到】
: 材料也算凝聚态那块了
: 所以在物理版无可厚非阿
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b****s
发帖数: 1300 | 92 You did have a lot time to waste here :)
papers or so.
and
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: you're in a different field i can be sure.
: google steve shenker (stanf), emil martinec (chica), dan friedan (rutgs),
: petr horava (berke). it's better to use spires.
: any of the above people should have about 10k citations (horava having the
: least citations, but doesn't mean he's not as good.). and uniformly 50 papers or so.
: in addition, they're all about 50 years old. they are not necessarily the
: best in my field, but should be very close if not.
: one characteristic of these authors is that their
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b****s
发帖数: 1300 | 93 看来得一个领域一个版，然后在弄个跨学科掐架版。
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 那还有生物物理
: 并版吧
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 94 讨论无妨，抬杠也无妨。
我前面说了，也就在10-40这个区间H-index有意义，
超过40之后，我觉得就得看具体是否有革命性文章和单篇引用次数了。
这些标准当然是很粗略的，
H本人的那片PNAS也说了：有个很大的error bar.
物理，化学，生物，材料，工程，
现在交叉得谁能分得清出自己归属哪个？
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 参加大家讲话嘛,讨论H INDEX 看一下弦论的例子还是很有益处的
: POLCHINSKI也只有H=50,很多人都50,50跟50不能比,在STRING里面也是这样
: 所以说这些"数据"只有粗略的指引作用,不然不需要评TENURE找人REVIEW了
: 这里是物理版吧,又不是材料版,嘿嘿
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 95 for sure, the earth doesn't stop rotating because i am not stepping on some
pair of pedals
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: You did have a lot time to waste here :)
:
: papers or so.
: and
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 96
原来这个还能发表
这个不能叫做 H坝, it 纯属 joke
怪不得我们被时代抛弃了
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 讨论无妨，抬杠也无妨。
: 我前面说了，也就在10-40这个区间H-index有意义，
: 超过40之后，我觉得就得看具体是否有革命性文章和单篇引用次数了。
: 这些标准当然是很粗略的，
: H本人的那片PNAS也说了：有个很大的error bar.
: 物理，化学，生物，材料，工程，
: 现在交叉得谁能分得清出自己归属哪个？
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 97
本版除了掐架,转专业还有啥别的看点没?
当然,这一定程度上反应了本学科的特点。
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: 看来得一个领域一个版，然后在弄个跨学科掐架版。
|
b****s
发帖数: 1300 | 98 yah, but the string haters don't stop hating strings because you tried to
pour some water here.
The problem is that most string haters - in particular those on the board -
never or are simply not able to understand that to criticize string theory
one has to really get into the theory to comprehend it first. I thus would not
think it is worthwhile to argue with those who criticize strings based
merely on some what-they-heard, 2nd-hand layman comments and/or on strings'
lack of experimental suppor
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: for sure, the earth doesn't stop rotating because i am not stepping on some
: pair of pedals
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b****s
发帖数: 1300 | 99 除非有人奔。
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
:
: 本版除了掐架,转专业还有啥别的看点没?
: 当然,这一定程度上反应了本学科的特点。
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 100 别整这么高贵。。。理论谁又不是没搞过。。。
-
not
'
questions
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: yah, but the string haters don't stop hating strings because you tried to
: pour some water here.
: The problem is that most string haters - in particular those on the board -
: never or are simply not able to understand that to criticize string theory
: one has to really get into the theory to comprehend it first. I thus would not
: think it is worthwhile to argue with those who criticize strings based
: merely on some what-they-heard, 2nd-hand layman comments and/or on strings'
: lack of experimental suppor
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 101 consider it community service, plus it may come in handy one day in real
combat
hate sometimes stems from fear, and it aint first time some people hated a
theory due to fear
it's not the same as criticizing, but sheer willingness to sabotage others
reputation by making unjustified abusive statements
hate isn't genetically coded, so eventually haters die out
no one strongly recommends anyone to consider string theory as a viable
career path, but releasing poisonous comments without thinking twice
【在 b****s 的大作中提到】
: yah, but the string haters don't stop hating strings because you tried to
: pour some water here.
: The problem is that most string haters - in particular those on the board -
: never or are simply not able to understand that to criticize string theory
: one has to really get into the theory to comprehend it first. I thus would not
: think it is worthwhile to argue with those who criticize strings based
: merely on some what-they-heard, 2nd-hand layman comments and/or on strings'
: lack of experimental suppor
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 102 i have no time to hate u. i simply do not care.
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: consider it community service, plus it may come in handy one day in real
: combat
: hate sometimes stems from fear, and it aint first time some people hated a
: theory due to fear
: it's not the same as criticizing, but sheer willingness to sabotage others
: reputation by making unjustified abusive statements
: hate isn't genetically coded, so eventually haters die out
: no one strongly recommends anyone to consider string theory as a viable
: career path, but releasing poisonous comments without thinking twice
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 103 会搞理论的实验家非常多，会搞实验的理论家，基本一个没有
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 别整这么高贵。。。理论谁又不是没搞过。。。
:
: -
: not
: '
: questions
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 104 do whatever suits you
even if it is round up enough courage to speak to a real woman
or start worrying about begging for enough money for another experiment
you're under qualified even for airing your opinions on bbs
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: i have no time to hate u. i simply do not care.
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 105 会学人样的猴子不少
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 会搞理论的实验家非常多，会搞实验的理论家，基本一个没有
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b****s
发帖数: 1300 | 106 Dude, following basic logic, my words had nothing to do with the nobility of
doing theory, let alone whether it is noble to be a theoretician or not.
I simply wanted to say that it is babyish to spam the community with
irresponsible, unjustified, and not-even-wrong comments on serious theories.
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 别整这么高贵。。。理论谁又不是没搞过。。。
:
: -
: not
: '
: questions
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 107 恶心，你就蹦跶吧
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: do whatever suits you
: even if it is round up enough courage to speak to a real woman
: or start worrying about begging for enough money for another experiment
: you're under qualified even for airing your opinions on bbs
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b****s
发帖数: 1300 | 108 I don't work for free ;)
I would not consider this kind of arguments handy in real combat because in
real combat debaters usually have not problem with simple, basic logic. Plus
, irrational haters usually get higher and higher if there are more and more
responses to their spams.
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: consider it community service, plus it may come in handy one day in real
: combat
: hate sometimes stems from fear, and it aint first time some people hated a
: theory due to fear
: it's not the same as criticizing, but sheer willingness to sabotage others
: reputation by making unjustified abusive statements
: hate isn't genetically coded, so eventually haters die out
: no one strongly recommends anyone to consider string theory as a viable
: career path, but releasing poisonous comments without thinking twice
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 109 watch ur language.
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 会学人样的猴子不少
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 110 你继续意淫
你是某某处的石头
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 恶心，你就蹦跶吧
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 111 what are you gonna do, scare me?
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: watch ur language.
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 112 你没教养，我scare你干什么？无非就是提点你一下。这个版就是被你们这些做超玄的
人搞的乌烟瘴气。
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: what are you gonna do, scare me?
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w******a
发帖数: 2592 | 113 你说话注意点
你跟cosine吵架就别扯上别人，别人招你惹你了
从这儿直接就看出来到底谁没教养了
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 你没教养，我scare你干什么？无非就是提点你一下。这个版就是被你们这些做超玄的
: 人搞的乌烟瘴气。
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 114 我觉得你说的乌烟瘴气意思是你不方便乱说话
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 你没教养，我scare你干什么？无非就是提点你一下。这个版就是被你们这些做超玄的
: 人搞的乌烟瘴气。
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 115 你喜欢蝴蝶姐姐？
【在 w******a 的大作中提到】
: 你说话注意点
: 你跟cosine吵架就别扯上别人，别人招你惹你了
: 从这儿直接就看出来到底谁没教养了
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 116 懒的理你
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你说的乌烟瘴气意思是你不方便乱说话
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l*b
发帖数: 4369 | 117 数了数，好像有8了。
不过开始干博后大半年还没发文章呢，估计这一两年再提高挺费劲的了。。。
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 各位的h index都多少？
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 118 你很牛
【在 l*b 的大作中提到】
: 数了数，好像有8了。
: 不过开始干博后大半年还没发文章呢，估计这一两年再提高挺费劲的了。。。
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 119 你算哪根葱,还觉得自己挺粗
真是庆幸不用跟你这种废物同行
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 懒的理你
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 120 你刚毕业就8了，说明你博士期间的工作很多很高质量，请传授秘诀。你不会是先度过
硕士吧？
【在 l*b 的大作中提到】
: 数了数，好像有8了。
: 不过开始干博后大半年还没发文章呢，估计这一两年再提高挺费劲的了。。。
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 121 秘诀就是SHUT UP AND WORK, 别天天装13
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 你刚毕业就8了，说明你博士期间的工作很多很高质量，请传授秘诀。你不会是先度过
: 硕士吧？
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 122 你不是最喜欢装别人儿子吗？
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 秘诀就是SHUT UP AND WORK, 别天天装13
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 123 我没有儿子,等你出生了再来网上闲逛好不好,对你没别的要求
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 你不是最喜欢装别人儿子吗？
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 124 你还真不大懂什么叫实验，失望啊！不过你千万不要乱认爹。你可不配做这个物理版上
的人的儿子。
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 我没有儿子,等你出生了再来网上闲逛好不好,对你没别的要求
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 125 别装孙子了,你个老千,在实验室被扁的还不够?
你做得是不是物理,让大家看看再说
这年头,是个叉就想要诺贝尔奖
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 你还真不大懂什么叫实验，失望啊！不过你千万不要乱认爹。你可不配做这个物理版上
: 的人的儿子。
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 126 我可没想要得nobel，更没有说我做的就是你定义的物理。我在实验室有没有被扁，你
怎么知道？我是不是老千，你有怎么知道的？你这个做超玄的井底之蛙就是喜欢在没有
实验证据的情况下乱下结论。你还是好好修炼一下你的涵养把，不要动不动就是意气用
事。
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 别装孙子了,你个老千,在实验室被扁的还不够?
: 你做得是不是物理,让大家看看再说
: 这年头,是个叉就想要诺贝尔奖
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 127 祝你升官发财,早作道德典范
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 我可没想要得nobel，更没有说我做的就是你定义的物理。我在实验室有没有被扁，你
: 怎么知道？我是不是老千，你有怎么知道的？你这个做超玄的井底之蛙就是喜欢在没有
: 实验证据的情况下乱下结论。你还是好好修炼一下你的涵养把，不要动不动就是意气用
: 事。
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 128 托你吉言，希望我可以如你所愿：升官发财
【在 c****e 的大作中提到】
: 祝你升官发财,早作道德典范
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s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 129 也不用言必称H吧，还秘诀。你好歹也是科研圈里的人，科研哪里有秘诀？
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 你刚毕业就8了，说明你博士期间的工作很多很高质量，请传授秘诀。你不会是先度过
: 硕士吧？
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l*b
发帖数: 4369 | 130 运气好点儿吧
开始念phd的时候，正赶上领域大发展。基本上念书这5年正是这个领域繁荣的时代，很
多其他领域的人拼命往里挤。
老板有几个idea，后来自己也出了几个idea，有理论有实验，都做出来了，然后都是一
群人follow
现在不行了，好做的又有意义的都做得差不多了，感觉领域开始萎缩了。我做薄厚就跳
出来干别的了，然后发现别的领域也不好干，呵呵。
我本科毕业直接出来的。
【在 C**R 的大作中提到】
: 你刚毕业就8了，说明你博士期间的工作很多很高质量，请传授秘诀。你不会是先度过
: 硕士吧？
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C**R
发帖数: 1047 | 131 佩服
【在 l*b 的大作中提到】
: 运气好点儿吧
: 开始念phd的时候，正赶上领域大发展。基本上念书这5年正是这个领域繁荣的时代，很
: 多其他领域的人拼命往里挤。
: 老板有几个idea，后来自己也出了几个idea，有理论有实验，都做出来了，然后都是一
: 群人follow
: 现在不行了，好做的又有意义的都做得差不多了，感觉领域开始萎缩了。我做薄厚就跳
: 出来干别的了，然后发现别的领域也不好干，呵呵。
: 我本科毕业直接出来的。
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 132
不是拓扑绝缘和格拉分吧,不是我认得你吧
【在 l*b 的大作中提到】
: 运气好点儿吧
: 开始念phd的时候，正赶上领域大发展。基本上念书这5年正是这个领域繁荣的时代，很
: 多其他领域的人拼命往里挤。
: 老板有几个idea，后来自己也出了几个idea，有理论有实验，都做出来了，然后都是一
: 群人follow
: 现在不行了，好做的又有意义的都做得差不多了，感觉领域开始萎缩了。我做薄厚就跳
: 出来干别的了，然后发现别的领域也不好干，呵呵。
: 我本科毕业直接出来的。
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v*****s
发帖数: 20290 | 133 你应该是我们同学中publication最好的了吧。发哥咋样。
【在 l*b 的大作中提到】
: 运气好点儿吧
: 开始念phd的时候，正赶上领域大发展。基本上念书这5年正是这个领域繁荣的时代，很
: 多其他领域的人拼命往里挤。
: 老板有几个idea，后来自己也出了几个idea，有理论有实验，都做出来了，然后都是一
: 群人follow
: 现在不行了，好做的又有意义的都做得差不多了，感觉领域开始萎缩了。我做薄厚就跳
: 出来干别的了，然后发现别的领域也不好干，呵呵。
: 我本科毕业直接出来的。
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