f*****a
发帖数: 781 | 1 骗选民说未来多少多少年会有多么好的保障，等真的2014实施的时候，Fed已经破产，
到时候你是冤大头也做了，以前还过得去的健康保障也没有了。
民主党的就好这个ponzi scheme骗大家钱去花差花差 |
i***h
发帖数: 12655 | |
b*******r
发帖数: 6655 | 3 所有的政府行为，本质上都是,
设立政府的初衷，就是把大家的钱凑拢，办一些大家都不想办，却不得不办的事情。当
钱和花钱的权集中到少数人手里，怎么办事就完全是另一回事了。民主与否，只是个具
体操作的细节问题。本质上政府的好坏，主要取决于执政者的良心。
对于诚实劳动者而言，最好的政府是最小的政府，人人把自己的事情办好了，政府本来
就没有什么事要做。对贪婪的懒汉而言（包括花街门口要饭的和里面忙着数钱的），当
然正好相反，政府是他们不劳而获的工具。 |
n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 4 I can't wait to see Obama-fans get fxxxed-up all over on that day, and that
is called karma.
What's even more wonderful is Obama is likely to be re-elected for another
term, during which both bankers and average joes would have another
fantastic four years. |
l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 5 the ultimate goal is universal health care. Single payer.
This is the symbol for civilized developed country.
At that time, the medical charge is decided by the government, not the
doctor or hospital.
If the doctor or hospital do not accept the controlled price, do not renew
your permit, find other jobs.
The current ObmaCare does not put limit on the income for doctors, that's
the failure
Only in this way, American workers can compete with cheap Chinese workers in
China.
【在 f*****a 的大作中提到】
: 骗选民说未来多少多少年会有多么好的保障，等真的2014实施的时候，Fed已经破产，
: 到时候你是冤大头也做了，以前还过得去的健康保障也没有了。
: 民主党的就好这个ponzi scheme骗大家钱去花差花差
|
n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 6 Government is the problem, not the solution.
in
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: the ultimate goal is universal health care. Single payer.
: This is the symbol for civilized developed country.
: At that time, the medical charge is decided by the government, not the
: doctor or hospital.
: If the doctor or hospital do not accept the controlled price, do not renew
: your permit, find other jobs.
: The current ObmaCare does not put limit on the income for doctors, that's
: the failure
: Only in this way, American workers can compete with cheap Chinese workers in
: China.
|
s**x
发帖数: 7506 | 7 you think if government is gone, so is the problem?
of course not.
government existence has a reason. healthcare is one thing that should not
be capitalized. obamacare is not enough. I think eventually US will have a
healthcare system like what we have in education, public school and private
school. people normally go to public hospital for free and private hospital
exists as a choice too.
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】
: Government is the problem, not the solution.
:
: in
|
s**x
发帖数: 7506 | 8 not totally true. think of honest and hardworking people who suddenly got
cancer and out of work. most of us are still young and usually do not worry
about these things. 20 years later, most minds will change.
government should provide a safenet for small people.
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 所有的政府行为，本质上都是,
: 设立政府的初衷，就是把大家的钱凑拢，办一些大家都不想办，却不得不办的事情。当
: 钱和花钱的权集中到少数人手里，怎么办事就完全是另一回事了。民主与否，只是个具
: 体操作的细节问题。本质上政府的好坏，主要取决于执政者的良心。
: 对于诚实劳动者而言，最好的政府是最小的政府，人人把自己的事情办好了，政府本来
: 就没有什么事要做。对贪婪的懒汉而言（包括花街门口要饭的和里面忙着数钱的），当
: 然正好相反，政府是他们不劳而获的工具。
|
n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 9 Never said we don't need a government. Was merely saying relying on
government to provide all solutions is naive, at best. People often forget
government is also made of people, and people take care of their own
interests.
I don't know about you. If you are one of the super-rich, the current
government represents your interests and you are all set. As an average joe,
I know the current politicians are working against my interests every
fucking day.
private
hospital
【在 s**x 的大作中提到】
: you think if government is gone, so is the problem?
: of course not.
: government existence has a reason. healthcare is one thing that should not
: be capitalized. obamacare is not enough. I think eventually US will have a
: healthcare system like what we have in education, public school and private
: school. people normally go to public hospital for free and private hospital
: exists as a choice too.
|
s**x
发帖数: 7506 | 10 just pay them as salaried workers like polices etc.
while allow private doctors exists such as private schools.
currently american ER is one kind of universal healthcare that get abused
badly.
in
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: the ultimate goal is universal health care. Single payer.
: This is the symbol for civilized developed country.
: At that time, the medical charge is decided by the government, not the
: doctor or hospital.
: If the doctor or hospital do not accept the controlled price, do not renew
: your permit, find other jobs.
: The current ObmaCare does not put limit on the income for doctors, that's
: the failure
: Only in this way, American workers can compete with cheap Chinese workers in
: China.
|
|
|
n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 11 Never argued against the idea of safety net. It's a noble idea, all good
will. The problem is how we build the safety net. The real money doesn't
fall from the sky. The paper money does as US just crossed 15 trillion debt
mark today, not including GSE debt and all unfunded liabilities.
Case in point, my family's medical insurance payment increased more than $
500 this year. Even singles are required to pay somewhere between $500 and $
1000 to the company plan, which was free up to last year. This is one of the
most profitable and prominent employers in the valley.
People want everything free but they just forget to ask who would pick up
the bill.
worry
【在 s**x 的大作中提到】
: not totally true. think of honest and hardworking people who suddenly got
: cancer and out of work. most of us are still young and usually do not worry
: about these things. 20 years later, most minds will change.
: government should provide a safenet for small people.
|
l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 12
专家，你给大家讲讲2014年Fed怎么就能破产了？Fed破产怎么就能影响健保了？健保还
没实施，民主党怎么就已经骗到大家的钱了？
【在 f*****a 的大作中提到】
: 骗选民说未来多少多少年会有多么好的保障，等真的2014实施的时候，Fed已经破产，
: 到时候你是冤大头也做了，以前还过得去的健康保障也没有了。
: 民主党的就好这个ponzi scheme骗大家钱去花差花差
|
B******e
发帖数: 5730 | 13 一个个自私自利，不配在美国社会生活的共和党跟屁虫
都跳出来了
不觉得丢脸吗？ |
n******h
发帖数: 2482 | 14 Could anything be more stupid than this? As I type, I feel dirty by replying
to this post.
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 一个个自私自利，不配在美国社会生活的共和党跟屁虫
: 都跳出来了
: 不觉得丢脸吗？
|
B******e
发帖数: 5730 | 15 现在还没开始施行，保险公司就涨价
这应该怪奸商吧
政府应该学学中国，49年的中国，这种奸商都抓起来砍了
不知你是什么公司？听任保险公司涨价，就是个没有效率被糊弄的公司
我知道的知名湾区公司，并没有涨价
再说，公司的 group insurance 风险最小的
在高科技公司做事，那一个是年老体弱的？
这样公司一年还替个人付5000美元一年的保险
这保险公司不是坑人？
$
the
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】
: Could anything be more stupid than this? As I type, I feel dirty by replying
: to this post.
|
Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 16 自私自利才配在米国生活，大公无私的还是自觉一点离开的好。
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 一个个自私自利，不配在美国社会生活的共和党跟屁虫
: 都跳出来了
: 不觉得丢脸吗？
|
Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 17 读了n遍也没看见楼主哪里说了已经。
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
:
: 专家，你给大家讲讲2014年Fed怎么就能破产了？Fed破产怎么就能影响健保了？健保还
: 没实施，民主党怎么就已经骗到大家的钱了？
|
n***b
发帖数: 5914 | 18 学天朝的腐败逼得奸商纷纷造假去贻害百姓？？
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 现在还没开始施行，保险公司就涨价
: 这应该怪奸商吧
: 政府应该学学中国，49年的中国，这种奸商都抓起来砍了
: 不知你是什么公司？听任保险公司涨价，就是个没有效率被糊弄的公司
: 我知道的知名湾区公司，并没有涨价
: 再说，公司的 group insurance 风险最小的
: 在高科技公司做事，那一个是年老体弱的？
: 这样公司一年还替个人付5000美元一年的保险
: 这保险公司不是坑人？
:
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T******0
发帖数: 1071 | 19 Ponzi 还至少有点甜头。这个从day one就是中产替别人买单，却还要忍受政府的
bureaucracy.
【在 f*****a 的大作中提到】
: 骗选民说未来多少多少年会有多么好的保障，等真的2014实施的时候，Fed已经破产，
: 到时候你是冤大头也做了，以前还过得去的健康保障也没有了。
: 民主党的就好这个ponzi scheme骗大家钱去花差花差
|
B******e
发帖数: 5730 | 20 医疗保险有严重的问题
但是共和党只知道说no，为啥不提出建设性的意见？ |
|
|
l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 21 One 共和党 congressman complained on FOX, his mother at the age of 94 would
not afford a surgery if Obama Care passed
共和党's plan:
You need work till 80 years old, before that, if you lose your job, you
should not have any medical insurance.
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 医疗保险有严重的问题
: 但是共和党只知道说no，为啥不提出建设性的意见？
|
f*****a
发帖数: 781 | 22 呵呵你是不是典型的非白及黑的民猪党棍？什么时候偶说偶是共和党的了？
偶以前早说过了，偶是 independent voter, 那个党对俺有利，俺就投那个党的票
"建设性的意见" 不管偶的事，偶又没有拿纳税人的钱，这是不正是那些拿着公家钱的
politician的job。
politician 的 job 做的不好，当然该被 fire 掉！
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 医疗保险有严重的问题
: 但是共和党只知道说no，为啥不提出建设性的意见？
|
b*******r
发帖数: 6655 | 23 You must know nothing is free. But why do you believe every adult should be
entitled to free SAFETY NET,free food, free housing,free fucking?
Every adult should take care of himself. It's his own responsibility. And
every honest adult should understand he/she needs to provide the safetynet
him/herself. Even animals understand that. If an adult believes he will
never get sick/hurt, he is irresponsible and should be punished even before
he is in trouble. Same as DUI and hit and run.
I don't ask what you can do for your country. Ask what you can do for
yourself. And stop asking what your fucking country can do for you.
There are only a handful things, such as earthquake, which are unlikely
insured by private insurer and have to be taken care of by government.
worry
【在 s**x 的大作中提到】
: not totally true. think of honest and hardworking people who suddenly got
: cancer and out of work. most of us are still young and usually do not worry
: about these things. 20 years later, most minds will change.
: government should provide a safenet for small people.
|
M*******c
发帖数: 4371 | 24 Cannot agree more.
Every adult should take care of himself -- Every adult should take care of
his/her family.
be
before
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: You must know nothing is free. But why do you believe every adult should be
: entitled to free SAFETY NET,free food, free housing,free fucking?
: Every adult should take care of himself. It's his own responsibility. And
: every honest adult should understand he/she needs to provide the safetynet
: him/herself. Even animals understand that. If an adult believes he will
: never get sick/hurt, he is irresponsible and should be punished even before
: he is in trouble. Same as DUI and hit and run.
: I don't ask what you can do for your country. Ask what you can do for
: yourself. And stop asking what your fucking country can do for you.
: There are only a handful things, such as earthquake, which are unlikely
|
b*******r
发帖数: 6655 | 25 Why ER is abused? because it's free.
Anything free will be abused, sooner or later.
All public funded programs have been, are being and will be abused to their
own death.
P.S. I am not saying US healthcare system should not be reformed or it is
not broken. But a so called UNIVERSAL system is worse to every honest
working person.
【在 s**x 的大作中提到】
: just pay them as salaried workers like polices etc.
: while allow private doctors exists such as private schools.
: currently american ER is one kind of universal healthcare that get abused
: badly.
:
: in
|
l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 26 universal health care is not good, but it is better than current employment-
based system.
Employment-based system is outdated and obsolete.
Get sick---lose job --- lose insurance ----waiting for death
There is no insurance for employees in the private sector in USA!!!!
That's the fact.
The whole country does not provide a reliable medical insurance for the
working family.
We are just gambling, no big accident to us before 65.
their
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: Why ER is abused? because it's free.
: Anything free will be abused, sooner or later.
: All public funded programs have been, are being and will be abused to their
: own death.
: P.S. I am not saying US healthcare system should not be reformed or it is
: not broken. But a so called UNIVERSAL system is worse to every honest
: working person.
|
i***h
发帖数: 12655 | 27 这一点其实是不成立的,
当然自由党把这个观念的反面推到了极端
【在 M*******c 的大作中提到】
: Cannot agree more.
: Every adult should take care of himself -- Every adult should take care of
: his/her family.
:
: be
: before
|
b*******r
发帖数: 6655 | 28 在奴隶社会and the like, 奴隶为奴隶主劳动，奴隶主take care of them，
在所谓的民主社会，选民为政客投票，政客take care of them，当人们发现选票可以
取代劳动，劳动者当然越来越少。很大一部分人对社会的唯一价值，就在于那张选票，
确实是猪狗不如。这种荒唐事，也只有在一人一票并将进化为人狗通票的全民民主社会
才能发生
这两种社会表面上截然不同，实际上有惊人的相似。至少，结局将是一样的
【在 i***h 的大作中提到】
: 这一点其实是不成立的,
: 当然自由党把这个观念的反面推到了极端
|
i***h
发帖数: 12655 | 29 你老不要 too old, too cynical 么
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 在奴隶社会and the like, 奴隶为奴隶主劳动，奴隶主take care of them，
: 在所谓的民主社会，选民为政客投票，政客take care of them，当人们发现选票可以
: 取代劳动，劳动者当然越来越少。很大一部分人对社会的唯一价值，就在于那张选票，
: 确实是猪狗不如。这种荒唐事，也只有在一人一票并将进化为人狗通票的全民民主社会
: 才能发生
: 这两种社会表面上截然不同，实际上有惊人的相似。至少，结局将是一样的
|
s********n
发帖数: 943 | 30 what kind of 结局 will be?
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 在奴隶社会and the like, 奴隶为奴隶主劳动，奴隶主take care of them，
: 在所谓的民主社会，选民为政客投票，政客take care of them，当人们发现选票可以
: 取代劳动，劳动者当然越来越少。很大一部分人对社会的唯一价值，就在于那张选票，
: 确实是猪狗不如。这种荒唐事，也只有在一人一票并将进化为人狗通票的全民民主社会
: 才能发生
: 这两种社会表面上截然不同，实际上有惊人的相似。至少，结局将是一样的
|
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b*******r
发帖数: 6655 | 31 你的英语语法全对，可惜意思大多不对，所以也不知道你是英语表达能力还是根本搞错
了事实，无法评论
employment-
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: universal health care is not good, but it is better than current employment-
: based system.
: Employment-based system is outdated and obsolete.
: Get sick---lose job --- lose insurance ----waiting for death
: There is no insurance for employees in the private sector in USA!!!!
: That's the fact.
: The whole country does not provide a reliable medical insurance for the
: working family.
: We are just gambling, no big accident to us before 65.
:
|
f*****a
发帖数: 781 | 32 三个和尚没水喝
【在 s********n 的大作中提到】
: what kind of 结局 will be?
|
b*******r
发帖数: 6655 | 33 其实是个很好的比喻，任何社会，都有政府，穷人和富人三大集团，任何政府在后两者
之间永远摆不平，任何政府都是越来越大越来越腐败，最后，所谓公众利益，所谓国家
民族，当然就完蛋了，这三个集团不是不知道国强民富，大河小河等等道理，但是熵增
是不可逆转过程，唯一解决方案是打破这个isolated system
【在 f*****a 的大作中提到】
: 三个和尚没水喝
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e***z
发帖数: 7126 | 34 这话怎么像是傻逼说的
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: 一个个自私自利，不配在美国社会生活的共和党跟屁虫
: 都跳出来了
: 不觉得丢脸吗？
|
e***z
发帖数: 7126 | 35 就是。这么简单的道里这里这么多屁屁挨着地的牛人揣着明白装糊涂
人民政府不是保险公司，人民群众有保险需求需要保险公司解决，医疗保险太贵自然有
竞争，就类似一个破pad勾引出来多少只抢食的狗？用保险推销员的语言恐吓老百姓，
曾经是无往而不利的，不过现在不灵了，因为o8给糟蹋的差不多了。
人狗通票必然导致国家深度负债，近似社会主义，然后系统崩溃，搞不好要重装系统。
酱紫。
这个过程最底层贫民和最上层“肉食者”包括米犹金融蛀虫都能大赚。归功大亏。如果
真的轮回，亏费掉的是归功，酱紫。
【在 b*******r 的大作中提到】
: 在奴隶社会and the like, 奴隶为奴隶主劳动，奴隶主take care of them，
: 在所谓的民主社会，选民为政客投票，政客take care of them，当人们发现选票可以
: 取代劳动，劳动者当然越来越少。很大一部分人对社会的唯一价值，就在于那张选票，
: 确实是猪狗不如。这种荒唐事，也只有在一人一票并将进化为人狗通票的全民民主社会
: 才能发生
: 这两种社会表面上截然不同，实际上有惊人的相似。至少，结局将是一样的
|
l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 36 你对Medicare怎么看？
你对Medicaid怎么看？
【在 e***z 的大作中提到】
: 就是。这么简单的道里这里这么多屁屁挨着地的牛人揣着明白装糊涂
: 人民政府不是保险公司，人民群众有保险需求需要保险公司解决，医疗保险太贵自然有
: 竞争，就类似一个破pad勾引出来多少只抢食的狗？用保险推销员的语言恐吓老百姓，
: 曾经是无往而不利的，不过现在不灵了，因为o8给糟蹋的差不多了。
: 人狗通票必然导致国家深度负债，近似社会主义，然后系统崩溃，搞不好要重装系统。
: 酱紫。
: 这个过程最底层贫民和最上层“肉食者”包括米犹金融蛀虫都能大赚。归功大亏。如果
: 真的轮回，亏费掉的是归功，酱紫。
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Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 37 don't say country. you are simply asking other people to be responsible for
your healthcare. they can accept or decline.
your own efforts are more reliable than others'.
employment-
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: universal health care is not good, but it is better than current employment-
: based system.
: Employment-based system is outdated and obsolete.
: Get sick---lose job --- lose insurance ----waiting for death
: There is no insurance for employees in the private sector in USA!!!!
: That's the fact.
: The whole country does not provide a reliable medical insurance for the
: working family.
: We are just gambling, no big accident to us before 65.
:
|
y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 38 一群睁眼瞎,或者假装看不见.
tort reform有没有提过?
打破insurance state boundary有没有提过?
obamacare cut $500billion from medicare.
http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/04/hhs-secretary-sebelius-admits
你们睁眼瞎的良心都给狗吃了.
would
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: One 共和党 congressman complained on FOX, his mother at the age of 94 would
: not afford a surgery if Obama Care passed
: 共和党's plan:
: You need work till 80 years old, before that, if you lose your job, you
: should not have any medical insurance.
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 39 你对medicare每年$60billion fraud, that is
$60,000,000,000 fraud.
怎么看?
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
: 你对Medicare怎么看？
: 你对Medicaid怎么看？
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l******c
发帖数: 2555 | 40 it's absolutely right to cut medicare.
The current problem for medicare is age limit.
medicare should consider two factors:
1. how many years contribution
2. how old
right now, only age is considered.
Some citizens already paid 30 years into medicare, but cannot receive any
benefits in their whole life.
Others, like the mother of the congressman, paid a little, but still
receives benefits.
【在 y****t 的大作中提到】
: 一群睁眼瞎,或者假装看不见.
: tort reform有没有提过?
: 打破insurance state boundary有没有提过?
: obamacare cut $500billion from medicare.
: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/04/hhs-secretary-sebelius-admits
: 你们睁眼瞎的良心都给狗吃了.
:
: would
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 41 Ok, now
tell me where is the f*cking money to pay for it?!
【在 l******c 的大作中提到】
: it's absolutely right to cut medicare.
: The current problem for medicare is age limit.
: medicare should consider two factors:
: 1. how many years contribution
: 2. how old
: right now, only age is considered.
: Some citizens already paid 30 years into medicare, but cannot receive any
: benefits in their whole life.
: Others, like the mother of the congressman, paid a little, but still
: receives benefits.
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