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发帖数: 38600 | 1 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Albert-Einstein-Historic-1954-God-Lette
This private letter expresses views never meant for public consumption by of
one of the most prolific minds of modern times on the subjects of God,
religion and tribalism.
Few people have had access to the thoughts and uncensored opinions of this
brilliant mind as it relates to his personal views on God and religion. The
personal nature of the letter and the timing of it in Albert Einstein's life
adds to the implication of the certainty with which he wrote it. The
sureness of his script and the methodical nature with which he chose his
words lend to the documents weight. The ideas expressed are the culmination
of a lifetime of work exploring the most principle questions of existence.
If there were a guide for seekers of answers, this letter would be the
introduction.
The auction is for the original, handwritten, in German, letter and envelope
, sent from Princeton NJ, to Eric B. Gutkind, on January 3, 1954, a year
before Einstein passed away, sent as response to Gutkind's book “Choose
Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt”.
... I read a great deal in the last days of your book, and thank you very
much for sending it to me. What especially struck me about it was this. With
regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community we have a
great deal in common.
... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of
human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive
legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter
how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are
highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with
the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is
an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to
whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no
different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience
goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are
protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see
anything 'chosen' about them.
In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to
defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal
one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality
otherwise accepted, as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited
causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza
recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic
interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by
monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception,
but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.
Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual
convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in
essential things, i.e; in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates
us are only intellectual 'props' and 'rationalization' in Freud's language.
Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we
talked about concrete things.
With friendly thanks and best wishes,
Yours, A. Einstein
The translation above is an abridgment of the letter from Albert Einstein to
Eric Gutkind from Princeton NJ in January 1954, translated from German by
Joan Stambaugh.
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发帖数: 38600 | 2 新拍卖的爱因斯坦去世前一年所写关于上帝的原信关键内容翻译
信写于爱因斯坦去世前一年，是写给“圣经召唤的革命”的作者Gutkind的。
以下是该信的核心内容，驳斥了基督徒散布的关于爱因斯坦信奉基督教的上帝的谎言：
... I read a great deal in the last days of your book, and thank you very
much for sending it to me. What especially struck me about it was this. With
regard to the factual attitude to life and to the human community we have a
great deal in common.
（翻译：我在过去的几天读了你的著作的很多部分，谢谢你把这本书送给我。对于这本
书，最震撼我的地方，是对生活和我们共有的人类社会的写实态度。）
... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of
human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive
legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter
how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are
highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with
the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is
an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to
whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no
different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience
goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are
protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see
anything 'chosen' about them.
（翻译：上帝这个词对于我来说除了产生于人类的软弱并代表这软弱外没有任何含义。
圣经是一些可敬的，但却非常幼稚的原始传说的收集。对我来说，任何对圣经的诠释，
无论如何精微，都无法改变这一根本点。这些诠释从它们的本质来看千奇百怪，几乎和
圣经原文没有关系。对我来说，犹太人的宗教和其它一切宗教一样是幼稚的迷信的化生
。我所乐于一员并深爱的犹太人民对我来说在素质上和其它人民没有不同。从我的个人
经验来看，他们并不比其它人民更好，尽管因为没有权力，他们幸免于干一些最可怕的
癌症般的事情。除此之外，我看不出他们有什么“被选”的样子。
In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to
defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal
one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality
otherwise accepted, as a Jew the privilege of monotheism. But a limited
causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza
recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic
interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by
monopolization. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception,
but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.
总而言之，我对你宣称拥有一种特殊的优越地位感到痛苦。而你努力用两道墙来保卫你
自认的优越地位：外在的墙是你作为一个人，内在的墙是你作为一个犹太人。 简而言
之，作为一个人你宣称可以处在否则会被接受的因果律的逻辑之外，而作为犹太人你则
有一神教的特权。可是有限的尊崇因果律根本就不是尊崇因果律，正如我们了不起的斯
宾诺莎准确指出的那样。他也许是如此指出的第一人。而动物式的对宗教的诠释本质上
并不会因为一神的垄断而就非动物式的了。通过你的这些墙我们只能达到自我欺骗，我
们在道德上也不会因之而进步的。结果正与（玄按：你的愿望）相反。
Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual
convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in
essential things, i.e; in our evaluations of human behavior. What separates
us are only intellectual 'props' and 'rationalization' in Freud's language.
Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we
talked about concrete things.
到此我已经很公开地宣示了我们在认知上的不同。可我们犹在一些关键事情上非常态度
接近。比如，我们对于人的行为的评价。我们所分歧之处在于，用佛洛伊德的语言来说
，什么是理智的“方式”和“理性”。我想就此（玄按：宣示可有助于）我们在谈具体
问题时会更理解对方。
With friendly thanks and best wishes,
Yours, A. Einstein"
友好的感谢和美好的愿望，
您的，
艾。爱因斯坦 | b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 3 爱因斯坦明显说上帝就一符号而已。
of
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culmination
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Albert-Einstein-Historic-1954-God-Lette
: This private letter expresses views never meant for public consumption by of
: one of the most prolific minds of modern times on the subjects of God,
: religion and tribalism.
: Few people have had access to the thoughts and uncensored opinions of this
: brilliant mind as it relates to his personal views on God and religion. The
: personal nature of the letter and the timing of it in Albert Einstein's life
: adds to the implication of the certainty with which he wrote it. The
: sureness of his script and the methodical nature with which he chose his
: words lend to the documents weight. The ideas expressed are the culmination
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | | b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 5 是信基督教， 跟你有什么关系？
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
: 楼主好像是信基督教的？
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 6
有。我鄙视信基督教的XX们。基们出卖良知和理智，令人厌恶。
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: 是信基督教， 跟你有什么关系？
| b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 7 If you don't like my fire then don't come around.
【在 z********o 的大作中提到】
:
: 有。我鄙视信基督教的XX们。基们出卖良知和理智，令人厌恶。
| z********o
发帖数: 18304 | 8
哈哈哈！我看你吸毒上瘾，想要挽救你呢。
【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: If you don't like my fire then don't come around.
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