t*******t 发帖数: 1656 | 1 I find many people not familiar with the following techniques when playing
tractor.
飞牌
倒飞
挤牌
These are bridge techniques and can be used in tractor play.
Guess wmgame relies too much on luck. |
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m******n 发帖数: 6327 | 3 这些技巧在打通牌的时候特别有用
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】 : I find many people not familiar with the following techniques when playing : tractor. : 飞牌 : 倒飞 : 挤牌 : These are bridge techniques and can be used in tractor play. : Guess wmgame relies too much on luck.
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f********r 发帖数: 685 | 4 zkss这些名词。
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】 : I find many people not familiar with the following techniques when playing : tractor. : 飞牌 : 倒飞 : 挤牌 : These are bridge techniques and can be used in tractor play. : Guess wmgame relies too much on luck.
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a****e 发帖数: 9589 | 5 这些都是基于计牌算牌的基础上,2副牌记起来有些困难。
而且拖拉机相比桥牌不公平之处在于庄家扣底牌,这样防守方很难算准牌。
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】 : I find many people not familiar with the following techniques when playing : tractor. : 飞牌 : 倒飞 : 挤牌 : These are bridge techniques and can be used in tractor play. : Guess wmgame relies too much on luck.
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w**d 发帖数: 2334 | 6 hoho, 没那么简单啊。就像挤牌,如果你打过之后,别人就差不多可以猜出来你还有哪
门花色,就没法用了。飞牌倒是有人常无心使用,我就常被自己的对家飞牌搞的很难受
,比方说打一张我和下家都没了的。
说到底,运气最关键。拖拉机对打牌的精确性远远不如桥牌要求那么高。
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】 : I find many people not familiar with the following techniques when playing : tractor. : 飞牌 : 倒飞 : 挤牌 : These are bridge techniques and can be used in tractor play. : Guess wmgame relies too much on luck.
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t*******t 发帖数: 1656 | 7 there are cases that quite suitable to use.
example for 飞牌,
You sit on SOUTH, your partner (NORTH) is 庄家. He is out on a fu pai (say
clubs) so does the opponent (EAST) to your right.
now you lead with biggest card in clubs.
if EAST kills, NORTH over-kills -- unless EAST has big joker, he is in an
awkward situation;
if EAST does not kill, NORTH also not -- you retain the right of cards and
keep on going, until WEST also runs out of clubs;
small pair also has (almost) the same effect.
For 挤牌, if there is no fen in di pai, it is very easy to use, for example,
makejian's case in another thread.
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】 : hoho, 没那么简单啊。就像挤牌,如果你打过之后,别人就差不多可以猜出来你还有哪 : 门花色,就没法用了。飞牌倒是有人常无心使用,我就常被自己的对家飞牌搞的很难受 : ,比方说打一张我和下家都没了的。 : 说到底,运气最关键。拖拉机对打牌的精确性远远不如桥牌要求那么高。
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T********s 发帖数: 98 | 8 桥牌的技巧是可以用,不过打桥牌的都看两家牌,而且80是两幅,还有上面有人说的,
庄家还有底牌。
再说,对手满把拖拉机,还用对来回上手,技巧有p用啊。 |
m******n 发帖数: 6327 | 9 说个挤牌实战例子:
做庄强长主, 两门副牌都有AKK或者AAK.
于是先清空主, 然后接着打主牌, 发现对方果然在垫我控制的副牌, 于是继续吊主,
对方继续垫. 留下一张主报底, 打AKK, AAK, 对方因前面垫副, 大牌AK均被击落,
接着打副牌实现大光.
如先出AKK/AAK, 对方防守容易得多.
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】 : there are cases that quite suitable to use. : example for 飞牌, : You sit on SOUTH, your partner (NORTH) is 庄家. He is out on a fu pai (say : clubs) so does the opponent (EAST) to your right. : now you lead with biggest card in clubs. : if EAST kills, NORTH over-kills -- unless EAST has big joker, he is in an : awkward situation; : if EAST does not kill, NORTH also not -- you retain the right of cards and : keep on going, until WEST also runs out of clubs; : small pair also has (almost) the same effect.
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t*******t 发帖数: 1656 | 10 技巧 is the difference between da guang and 5 fen or 75 fen and 85 fen.
this was what leoami2 blamed me when I failed to recognize her technique. |
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T********s 发帖数: 98 | 11 这倒是,不过10把碰上2把了不起了。
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】 : 技巧 is the difference between da guang and 5 fen or 75 fen and 85 fen. : this was what leoami2 blamed me when I failed to recognize her technique.
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w**d 发帖数: 2334 | 12 估计明白的已经会用,不明白的还是不会。就像有人喜欢用桥牌的传信好的手段,你拔
A我给大表示欢迎,也就是我也有A的意思。好像Q用得特别多 - 也不知道没Q的话咋办。
如果愿意的话,也可以用单双来传信号,单表示打高花,双表示欢迎低花。I never
tried this one for tractor. It may backfire for sure, just don't know what
is the probability of success. Also, you need to let your partner know your
signals beforehand. 成功的话,肯定有人指责你打通牌。
我想拖拉机和桥牌最本质的区别是,打拖拉机的时候只需要抓分,而桥牌里每一圈同等
重要。桥牌里也没有甩牌的问题,i can kill as long as i have trump.
【在 t*******t 的大作中提到】 : there are cases that quite suitable to use. : example for 飞牌, : You sit on SOUTH, your partner (NORTH) is 庄家. He is out on a fu pai (say : clubs) so does the opponent (EAST) to your right. : now you lead with biggest card in clubs. : if EAST kills, NORTH over-kills -- unless EAST has big joker, he is in an : awkward situation; : if EAST does not kill, NORTH also not -- you retain the right of cards and : keep on going, until WEST also runs out of clubs; : small pair also has (almost) the same effect.
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w**d 发帖数: 2334 | 13 very rare. I only had chance to do it once. 当时我主特强,付牌就一门还可以,
但是还多一张边花没法处理,于是就留了另外一门的一小对。后来也大光了,主要还是
因为那门敌人没有分队,也没有Ace对,比我的大的队子都扔掉了。
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】 : 说个挤牌实战例子: : 做庄强长主, 两门副牌都有AKK或者AAK. : 于是先清空主, 然后接着打主牌, 发现对方果然在垫我控制的副牌, 于是继续吊主, : 对方继续垫. 留下一张主报底, 打AKK, AAK, 对方因前面垫副, 大牌AK均被击落, : 接着打副牌实现大光. : 如先出AKK/AAK, 对方防守容易得多.
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a****e 发帖数: 9589 | 14 可桥牌的传信的规矩玩桥牌的都知道啊,技术有新/特殊的方法,在比赛前也要公示的
,这才公平。像你这样说的,只有你和对家知道,何出老千有神马不同?
办。
your
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】 : 估计明白的已经会用,不明白的还是不会。就像有人喜欢用桥牌的传信好的手段,你拔 : A我给大表示欢迎,也就是我也有A的意思。好像Q用得特别多 - 也不知道没Q的话咋办。 : 如果愿意的话,也可以用单双来传信号,单表示打高花,双表示欢迎低花。I never : tried this one for tractor. It may backfire for sure, just don't know what : is the probability of success. Also, you need to let your partner know your : signals beforehand. 成功的话,肯定有人指责你打通牌。 : 我想拖拉机和桥牌最本质的区别是,打拖拉机的时候只需要抓分,而桥牌里每一圈同等 : 重要。桥牌里也没有甩牌的问题,i can kill as long as i have trump.
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w**d 发帖数: 2334 | 15 这话说得,也太上纲上线了,要知道技巧和出老千可是有本质的区别。作弊的话,你是
完全知道你对家的牌。打信号的话,还有误伤的可能,那就需要对当时情况的判读了。
关键还是要会读牌。
即使打桥牌的时候,也是你自己的责任去搞清楚那些信号。别人不可能每打一张就给你
解释一下。只是他必须告诉你实话,如果你问到的话。 当然了,那些东西已经早就都
写在那儿了。
如果向你说得那样,那得先找个人写几本书,罗列一下所有的可能。或者干脆每出一张
牌,敌人都有权利问对家那是什么意思。lol.
的大作中提到: 】
【在 a****e 的大作中提到】 : 可桥牌的传信的规矩玩桥牌的都知道啊,技术有新/特殊的方法,在比赛前也要公示的 : ,这才公平。像你这样说的,只有你和对家知道,何出老千有神马不同? : : 办。 : your
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m******n 发帖数: 6327 | 16 桥牌里叫牌打信号必须让对手知道, 打牌不要吧.
比如跟Ace, 单双做信号也需要公示吗?
【在 w**d 的大作中提到】 : 这话说得,也太上纲上线了,要知道技巧和出老千可是有本质的区别。作弊的话,你是 : 完全知道你对家的牌。打信号的话,还有误伤的可能,那就需要对当时情况的判读了。 : 关键还是要会读牌。 : 即使打桥牌的时候,也是你自己的责任去搞清楚那些信号。别人不可能每打一张就给你 : 解释一下。只是他必须告诉你实话,如果你问到的话。 当然了,那些东西已经早就都 : 写在那儿了。 : 如果向你说得那样,那得先找个人写几本书,罗列一下所有的可能。或者干脆每出一张 : 牌,敌人都有权利问对家那是什么意思。lol. : : 的大作中提到: 】
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w**d 发帖数: 2334 | 17 忘了,:), 好多年没玩过了。估计是不需要,因为这些信号有时候是有歧义的 - 可能
是被迫的。不像叫牌,2NT 就是2NT,有很明确的解释。
【在 m******n 的大作中提到】 : 桥牌里叫牌打信号必须让对手知道, 打牌不要吧. : 比如跟Ace, 单双做信号也需要公示吗?
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