j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 1 Do you mean the asbestos industry isn't biased on this issue?
I did nothing more than point out who are those pushing the "science"
against asbestos regulation. Just to remind people it's not like that it's
established scientific fact that asbestos is not risky. It's just according
to certain scientist who happens to be in the asbestos industry, or speaks
person of conservatives. |
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 2 It is true that most people living in building with Asbestos are safe. But that depend on them not working with Asbestos and leave it alone. If you DIY a lot, it can be an issue. Even though it may not kill you, but you certainly don't want to inhale it.
According to stats, clearly more people die of cancer caused by smoking then from Mesothelioma. But first, some people don't smoke, second, there are risks that's hard to avoid, then there are risks easier to avoid. That's why it may be a sensib... 阅读全帖 |
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b***l
发帖数: 439 | 3 现在在谈一个房子，价格已经商量好了。但是，因为房子的family room ceiling被房
主在1979年（这是房主自己说的年代，他是1975年买的这房子）弄了texture painting
的图案。我担心其中有 asbestos,所以要求在验房外我要取sample做 asbestos test.
房主同意做这个test。同时，他提出我们给他的pre-approval是在BOA做的，他说BOA给
贷款时间很磨蹭，反复要求补文件。。。，总之，现在他给出一个citibank的人的名字
电话，让我们去那里再做一个pre-approval。
第一次买房，不明白这个要求从何而来，也不知道这种pre-approval做多次对我们的信
用记录有没有什么影响。
我不在加州，没有抢房这一说。
还有，大家明白这个texture painting吗？我想联系一家lab，让他们去取sample，然
后化验，这个费用有多少？和房主说定了如果没有 asbestos，我付化验费用，作为我
验房的一部份。如果有 asbestos，我就退出，房主付化验费。 |
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x****t
发帖数: 1729 | 4 【 以下文字转载自 Living 讨论区 】
发信人: xiwest (我是只快乐的小猪), 信区: Living
标 题: 出租房与保险公司纠纷疑问
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jun 13 12:20:40 2014, 美东)
年初出租房漏水，和保险公司联系。当时他们说先派一个drying company过去把水吸干
。电话里说费用由他们出的。
昨天收到drying company给我的帐单，$150说是Asbestos Testing＋tax。
联系保险公司，这时候agent说：
It’s a state law that contractors have to test for asbestos, so xx(drying
company) had to do it, even though there was no coverage and insurance can’
t pay for it. There is unfortunately no coverage for asbestos under your
policy, so this is your ... 阅读全帖 |
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j***b
发帖数: 5901 | 5 http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-lay-scientist/2010/sep/27/asbestos-press-watchdog-pcc
"What many reading the Daily Mail article won't have known is that the author, Christopher Booker, has a long track record of downplaying the health risks of white asbestos. Though not a scientist himself, Booker as
written at least 42 newspaper articles on this subject since 2002, making claims that run counter to the views of most experts, but are remarkably similar to those of the asbestos industry. "... 阅读全帖 |
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F**********r
发帖数: 237 | 6 湾区，刚和卖家agree on price, move in condition但可能要换窗户和打recess
light.７８年以前的房子都或多或少有石棉问题，请教大家怎么处理比较好。
1) order full asbestos inspection. quote price1000. concern: 要在内墙
sampling,不知道有没有必要，而且可能potentially cause things to be not intact。
2) 只在要动的地方order asbesto。比如天花板，或者以后换furnace。concern:cost,
还有不能提前发现重大问题
3) order separate full inspection, 强调指出明显的asbesto问题。
谢谢！ |
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x****t
发帖数: 1729 | 7 年初出租房漏水，和保险公司联系。当时他们说先派一个drying company过去把水吸干
。电话里说费用由他们出的。
昨天收到drying company给我的帐单，$150说是Asbestos Testing＋tax。
联系保险公司，这时候agent说：
It’s a state law that contractors have to test for asbestos, so xx(drying
company) had to do it, even though there was no coverage and insurance can’
t pay for it. There is unfortunately no coverage for asbestos under your
policy, so this is your responsibility.
想问一下，这种情况应该怎么处理？从来不知道有这个所谓的testing，我本人也没有
和drying公司联系过。保险公司自己找的烘干公司，还称他们会负责烘干费用，我才让
房客让他们进屋里烘干的。烘干公司留下的垃圾我后... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****3
发帖数: 13701 | 8 怪俺多嘴。那个不是石棉，是 insulation，隔热用的。石棉是 Asbestos，这里面的问
题是，制造 insulation 的一种重要原料叫做 Vermiculite，七十年代以前，在大家都
不知道的情况下，从某些矿开采的 Vermiculite 里混了一些 Asbestos，而 Asbestos
如果吸入肺里太多会引起很严重的病，包括癌症。
有一层东西要重新铺一下，那个不会就是石棉吧？？ |
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m*****2
发帖数: 29 | 9 我的inspection report"there was asbestos-like material located to the ducts
in the crawl space",我们家没有popcorn ceiling, 所以这是唯一有石棉的地方。 我
给inspection company打电话，他们说可以不用动它，我反问那空调和暖气用的时候，
会不会有影响，他们又说如果有泄漏，就可能会有影响。在网上看“If the asbestos
product is in good shape, or used in an out-of-the-way area -- for example,
as insulation for heating or plumbing pipes in your crawlspace or attic --
you may be better off leaving the asbestos in place”。这个是不是说明问题不
严重，不用管它？有了解的人吗？多谢 |
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s********g
发帖数: 60 | 10 打算换掉家里四十年的furnace，坐标湾区。furnace only，没有空调。1500 sqft的平
房，需要3 tons。furnace在hallway的closet里。问了6家，很多问题大家说法都不一
致。
配置：
由于气候不是很冷，我打算用80%。另外希望安静一点，所以用2 stage, variable
speed fan。这个配置怎样？
Permit需要吗？
有的说旧的换新的不需要permit，只是以后卖房时不能写upgraded furnace。有的说火
灾后没permit会被deny保险。有的一定要做permit。
石棉胶带要不要去掉：
旧furnace上面那个方的东西上有石棉做的胶带。有人说要先请专门contractor做
asbesto abatement来除掉，不然他们不能装，怕disturb asbesto。也有人说可以
ignore，放着也不会影响健康。
Permit中的title 24
加州有个title 24，要确保duct漏气不超过15%。有几个contractor要收几千块钱去
reseal duct。有一个小哥说由于furnace上有石棉，titl... 阅读全帖 |
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Q*****8
发帖数: 369 | 11 请了一家老美公司来评估，是个几个人的local小公司，不是个体handyman。今天那公
司来了一个人，确切说inspection，还没给个价格。现在有一个娱乐间是地毯，地毯下
是tile，对方说不确定是不是Asbestos tile，大体意思是，如果确定含有Asbestos这
东西，需要专业人来拆，可能灰尘含有致癌东西，反正我也不熟悉听个大概。我本打算
那里装hardwood，现在估计tile下面是水泥，需要装工程木，两三feet在地面下。还有
另外一个房间估计也只能装工程木，和entertainment room在同一高度，房间底下是水
泥的可能性比较大。
请问拆Asbestos tile这东西贵不贵，当然现在还不确定是不是，普通tile的话，估计
就简单一些。
我现在想，如果啥都外包给对方，包括用对方的木板，我担心对方不用好的木板，我又
不识货。本质上，我喜欢自己直接出钱给卖地板的（contractor和我一起去实体店买地
板，contractor给建议，我结账，contractor出人工），然后contractor可以出人工把
木板拉回来，这样子至少知道我的木板值这个价位。但我... 阅读全帖 |
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Q*****8
发帖数: 369 | 12 不知道该不该叫Asbestos tile，反正是tile，含有Asbestos啥的。我也奇怪前房主在
tile上面放地毯。这个Asbestos还没确定，对方需要拿tile sample回去确定一下。老
房子，估计以前用的材料在现在都不合格。 |
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c*****n
发帖数: 89 | 13 Not all popcorn ceiling contains asbestos, I tested my home's popcorn
ceiling couple month back, there is no asbestos. So maybe yours don't
contain asbestos at all, then you don't need worry:-). |
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x****t
发帖数: 1729 | 14 【 以下文字转载自 Living 讨论区 】
发信人: xiwest (我是只快乐的小猪), 信区: Living
标 题: 出租房与保险公司纠纷疑问
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jun 13 12:20:40 2014, 美东)
年初出租房漏水，和保险公司联系。当时他们说先派一个drying company过去把水吸干
。电话里说费用由他们出的。
昨天收到drying company给我的帐单，$150说是Asbestos Testing＋tax。
联系保险公司，这时候agent说：
It’s a state law that contractors have to test for asbestos, so xx(drying
company) had to do it, even though there was no coverage and insurance can’
t pay for it. There is unfortunately no coverage for asbestos under your
policy, so this is your ... 阅读全帖 |
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Q***N
发帖数: 2972 | 15 asbestos is the main cause of mesothelioma and other deadly diseases, the
ban on this type of mineral has been put in the United States between 1970
and 1980, as well as in California.
Legislation containing the ban on asbestos has only been issued in the late
1980’s, but asbestos in California has been banned long before that, almost
a decade passing after the first laws were instated.
其实也不是严格的BAN,石棉现在仍然在美国的一些行业内用,主要是防高温.但好像加州
大部分城市的BUILDING CODE在80年就不容许石棉用于Residential Home.
关于高压线,有没有辐射影响健康问题一直... 阅读全帖 |
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q******n
发帖数: 4479 | 16 TNND，我找的那个asbestos inspector告诉我的呀。说她多年前在popcorn ceiling
remover company 做的时候就这价，还告诉我之所以这么贵是要把房子严严实实包2层
才能开工，防止asbestos飘逸到空中污染环境。伊现在离开那公司做独立asbestos
inspector了，不该瞎说呀。
我再三强调了好几遍$350 dollar per square feet?? |
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d*********o
发帖数: 6388 | 17 http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/ins-vikramaditya-tri
The controversial sea trials of the INS Vikramaditya in Russia, initially
described as an embarrassing failure, appear to have actually been a success
, while propulsion problems developed by the aircraft carrier are not nearly
as serious as reported in the media.
The malfunctioning of the boilers that occurred during high-speed tests will
not require their replacement or removal from the vessel. The problem has
been pinned down to ... 阅读全帖 |
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b***b
发帖数: 13249 | 18 我其实说错了，才想起来最近一个 unit 的房租从900 涨到了 1213. 我得包这个unit
的utility
所以，房租总共 3500
cost: mortgage 1250 （含 tax insurance）
水费 ： 150
Utility for unit 1: 这个月是 80， 冬天预计 500. 准备把 oil heating 换成 gas
heating. cost 4000-5000.
Asbestos: 后来找了个低的估价 --- 3500 马上准备清理 basement, 再做 asbestos
removal ----- 其实我不除也没事的，我是闲的慌，加上现在比较有钱！ 让钱发霉+
交税不是好事，所以增大今年的 房产的cost,才是正道！！
因为是车版，说点跟车有关的吧！严格意义上来讲，我可以靠这个房子的净收入，买个
奔驰或是宝马了，每月要出的所谓贷款，就从这破房子里出呀。 可是，本老暂时不考
虑买这样的车，觉得不划算，不明智，不务实，无意义，无所谓，无聊呀！ |
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i*******i
发帖数: 15 | 19 老公在美国，家有双胞胎宝宝5个月，目前在国内，打算宝宝9个月左右带到美国来
现在老公一个人租的房子太小，打算换房子，最近都在找房子
首先我是提出要求，不要地毯，希望有全地板的房子
因为我有一个宝宝比较容易过敏，好像看了地毯会有尘螨，容易藏污纳垢，清理起来也
不方便（我觉得steamer要使用的清洁剂那种化学的东西，可能对宝宝也不安全....）
但是找了房子以后发现，90%的房子都是铺满地毯的（我们在明尼苏达州的罗切斯特）
，那个地毯也不能掀掉或者移除
没有地毯的都是很老很老的房子
最近找到了一个老公寓是1917年的房子
一共54间好像有住不少人，进去看了是全木地板的，朝向很好离老公单位也很近
就是担心
（1）因为那间房很久没人住了，业主说会重新修一下，还要刷墙，我问刷了以后多久
宝宝可以来住，他说会有一个月时间给你散味，我是觉得时间有点短，能不能不要刷墙
，或者要求他们使用无毒的涂料，还没问.....大家能不能推荐一下哪些涂料是无毒的？
（2）网上查了一下好像老房子需要注意的问题还很多
主要是看到石棉害怕了
有些说1930---1950年使用的多，那这个1917年的房子......还搜... 阅读全帖 |
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l****1
发帖数: 195 | 20 谢谢回复，可否说得具体一点，比较喜欢这个房子，但是现在要做decision.是否需要做近一步的inspection看是否含有Asbestos(石棉）？还是这种情况一定含有Asbestos(石棉）？非常感谢!
!! |
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g*****9
发帖数: 4125 | 21 No.
Asbestos was banned in ceiling treatments in 1977.
You should be fine, since your popcorn ceiling textures were created using a
paper based or Styrofoam product to create the texture, rather than
asbestos. |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 22 相反，up play石棉经济利益一样不小，这个是律师界支持的
author, Christopher Booker, has a long track record of downplaying the
health risks of white asbestos. Though not a scientist himself, Booker as
claims that run counter to the views of most experts, but are remarkably
similar to those of the asbestos industry. "
. There were no real statistical study or data. |
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a*****0
发帖数: 3319 | 23 Wow! so expensive. How much asbestos is in your popcorn ceiling?
My current house has popcorn ceiling, having 5% asbestos. I'll have it
removed before selling it.
Thanks for sharing of your info. |
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z****s
发帖数: 1418 | 24 many thanks! what's the official source for your statement that the use of
popcorn ceilings containing asbestos was stopped in "1985"? wikipedia says
houses built "in the 1980s" with popcorn ceilings could have asbestos, but
does not say specifically which year in the 1980s.
年） |
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z*l
发帖数: 190 | 25 看到一个理想的房子，但是entry和family room 的地毯下是石棉地板砖 asbesto tile
。 想在我们搬家前，请专业asbesto remover 取掉，他们说拆除前后都会做air test
。 想问问大家，拆除后，还有什么隐患吗？家里有几个月大的小宝。 lg说这么多年了
肯定有磨损，particle 会跑的到处都是，阁楼里也有。通风凉一个月可以吗，attic
fan 打开，阁楼里的空气会被抽到室外吧。 如果这样还不安全，那不是所有的旧房子
都不能买了，保不齐人家原来有，拆了你也看不出来呀。 大家给点意见吧，多谢了。 |
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L**P
发帖数: 3792 | 26 homedepot/lowes有测试lead的东西买，买的时候记得看过期日期
到时问到asbestos的处理报价，记得分享一下，我看了一个1986年的有popcorn
ceiling，不知道有没有asbestos要不要处理 |
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z****s
发帖数: 1418 | 27 according to Wikipedia, although legislation was passed to ban the use of
asbestos in NEW construction materials since the early 1980s, it allowed the
remaining stock of construction materials that might contain asbestos to
continue to be used until they were all used up, obviously due to the
economic interests involved. houses built in the 1990s and later are safer. |
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p********r
发帖数: 1980 | 28 能留下您的联系方式么? 把这个言论随手转给律师,说不定都能拿不少referral fee.
谷哥前几年Adword最贵的点击排行榜如下:
mesothelimoa $99.44
buy structured settlements $79.01
asbestos law suits $78.10
conference calling companies $75.29
annuity loans $72.82
pop up display booths $72.53
purchasing structured settlement$ 68.79
student loan debt consolidation $68.54
asbestos law firm $67.97
secured loans $67.57 |
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m***r
发帖数: 680 | 30 也请问下，1973年的房子， asbestos是一个concern吗？总感觉描述的很恐怖，一般的
inspection又不做这个。大家买房的时候做这个检查嘛？
像leadpaint一般1980后都不用，但asbestos似乎没看到什么明显分界点。。。谢谢 |
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M**I
发帖数: 491 | 31 watch out asbestos - older decorative ceilings like this contains asbestos. |
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L**********g
发帖数: 108 | 32 能考虑么？2005年左右彻底装修过。听人说老房子在健康方面两个问题。一个是lead
based paint，一个是Asbestos。铅我觉得还好，毕竟刷过多少遍了。石棉的问题，是
不是不好说，因为看网上说，Asbestos material will be damaged or disturbed
during renovation, which poses a more serious risk than simply leaving it
alone。
哪年后的房子就没有石棉问题了？买老房子还需要考虑什么呢。
最近开始留意房子。来版上提了好几个问题。多谢了。 |
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x*********i
发帖数: 48 | 33 请imore帮忙看看移除管子的报价合理吗？
SPECIALTY SERVICES, INC. PROPOSES TO REMOVE, TRANSPORT AND DISPOSE OF THE
FOLLOWING
ASBESTOS CONTAINING MATERIAL.
ALL DUCTWORK LOCATED IN ATTIC
CLEAN AND ENCAPSULATE REGISTER BOOTS
WORK TO BE PERFORMED FOR THE SUM OF $900.00
WORK TO BE PERFORMED TO EPA AND OSHA REGULATIONS. FULLY PROTECTED WORK FORCE
. COMPLETELY CONTAINED WORK AREA. WET REMOVAL METHODS USED. ALL WASTE TO BE
DISPOSED OF AT AN APPROVED LANDFILL.
SPECIALTY SERVI... 阅读全帖 |
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x*********i
发帖数: 48 | 34 请imore帮忙看看移除管子的报价合理吗？
SPECIALTY SERVICES, INC. PROPOSES TO REMOVE, TRANSPORT AND DISPOSE OF THE
FOLLOWING
ASBESTOS CONTAINING MATERIAL.
ALL DUCTWORK LOCATED IN ATTIC
CLEAN AND ENCAPSULATE REGISTER BOOTS
WORK TO BE PERFORMED FOR THE SUM OF $900.00
WORK TO BE PERFORMED TO EPA AND OSHA REGULATIONS. FULLY PROTECTED WORK FORCE
. COMPLETELY CONTAINED WORK AREA. WET REMOVAL METHODS USED. ALL WASTE TO BE
DISPOSED OF AT AN APPROVED LANDFILL.
SPECIALTY SERVI... 阅读全帖 |
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s****n
发帖数: 245 | 35 The house I'm buying also have asbestos, and stated in my inspection report.
So I asked the seller to remove all the asbestos ducts before I pay them the
remained 5% deposit, and they agreed.
It cost them 1k+... |
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s*******g
发帖数: 246 | 36 刚买了房子，1969年的，有popcorn celing，我在网上搜了一下，说首先要采集sample
去检测有没有asbestos，如果没有，就叫general contractor remove掉，但是如果有
，就比较麻烦，要有license的专门公司做。 想问问大家，取sample都是自己取的吗？
我和lg都是特别不handy的人，请问板上mm，大家都是怎么做的？我担心自己没有取好
，即使有asbestos，也测出来没有，家有小娃，还是要谨慎一点，自己取了，然后送到
lab做？有lab推荐吗？ |
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s*******g
发帖数: 246 | 37 如果有asbestos，大家都是找专业的公司吗？好贵的阿
还有可不可能就是拿掉后，可以测一下空气里面有没有asbestos了，家里有小娃，伤不
起。
还有严重同意 是谁想出来这么恶心的popcorn ceiling！！ |
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L**P
发帖数: 3792 | 39 take a tea spoon of popcorn ceiling and send it to a lab for testing. Easy
and quick. $50 bucks
However, I doubt the seller would allow you to take samples.
Removing popcorn ceiling without asbestos is easy. You can do it yourself
Removing popcorn ceiling with asbestos is about $2/sqft. Better hire a
licensed contractor to do it. |
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v********e
发帖数: 1985 | 40 For sealing attic with foam, check out the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n3QCBw0m74
The reason asbestos is bad is when you break them, tiny fiber will be
inhaled into your lung. Since your lung cannot disintegrate the fiber and
the head of the fiber is sharp, it will repeatedly penetrate the cell wall
of your lung, thus causing cancer.
Fiber glass has exactly the same problem. Its fiber might be softer
comparing to asbestos, but physically, they are the same. Your Call.
irritating |
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g********3
发帖数: 1281 | 41 No big deal. Most older homes would have this material as attic insulation.
I have it in my attic.Tested it, and contains less than 1% asbestos, is not
considered to contain asbestos in my state. Would cost $10,000 to remove all
. If you do not touch it, it is fine. I just covered it with fiberglass
insulation. Make sure you do not disturb it when you lay fiberglass
insulation. |
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T****d
发帖数: 145 | 42 The problem is that they disturbed asbestos when they removed the old tile
in the basement.
Would the fiber still be in the air? It would take 20-30 years since the
first exposure to asbestos to show any symptom.
How can we find out? |
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 44 My office building is old and had asbestos ceiling. Before we moved in, I
saw they sealed whole suite and put a huge plastic duct through window and
used air pump to draw air out while they replaced tiles.
Your contractor should be able to do similar thing to remove all asbestos
dusts.
Can you sell this house and buy a newer one? |
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P**********r
发帖数: 755 | 45 我这刚买的房啊....刚开工铲了个popcorn ceiling就要暴怒了
[在 noles (mileman) 的大作中提到：]
:My office building is old and had asbestos ceiling. Before we moved in, I
:saw they sealed whole suite and put a huge plastic duct through window and
:used air pump to draw air out while they replaced tiles.
:Your contractor should be able to do similar thing to remove all asbestos
:dusts.
:Can you sell this house and buy a newer one? |
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s****y
发帖数: 167 | 46 湾区61年的老房子，每年冬天几个月gas bill都很高，今年想把所有的管道换一下，原
来管道外面的asbestos材料去掉。
收到一个估价(1500尺的ranch)，
remove asbestos: $1400 (专门的contractor)
crawlspace和attic里面新的R-6 wireflex管道, enlarge ceiling, new grill/box on
floor and ceiling, disposal old duct, ... $3500
所以一共将近$5000，要3天左右完工。
这一家在yelp review非常好，有的同事说这个价格还是挺合理的。有谁家里做过类似
的duct work吗？价钱怎么样？ |
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Q*****8
发帖数: 369 | 47 今天第二家公司来了，很匆忙，简单看看简单量量，总共几分钟结束，给的建议和第一
家完全不同。
大家帮忙看看哪家说的靠谱。
我只弄楼下两房间，一间是娱乐间，一间当做客房，活不算大。地平下以上的地方已经
是地板不需要弄了。附件是两间的图，娱乐间是地毯，地毯下是tile。另一间也不知道
表面是啥东西，很薄的一层，用手都能掰碎的东西。准备都弄工程木，因为两间都在地
平线以下，估计下面不能nail，做不了实木，不知道tile下面是什么。
第一家公司说地毯下的tile需要拿出来，现在不确定那tile含不含有Asbestos，客房很
薄的那东西也拆掉。第二家公司说不确定含不含有Asbestos，只要把地毯拿掉就好，娱
乐间下面的tile和客房地面很薄的那东西都不拆掉，只要把工程木覆盖上去就可以了。
感觉第二家公司说得太简单，怎么省事怎么来。第二家倒是保证今明天就能拿到估价，
但测量马虎，大体量一下面积。第一家就量得很认真，边边角角拐弯，衣柜长宽啥的，
还画图，弄了挺久。 |
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d******e
发帖数: 1424 | 49 【 以下文字转载自 Northcounty 俱乐部 】
发信人: diketene (呆客厅), 信区: Northcounty
标 题: 10 dirties cities in US - 6 in CA
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Dec 12 23:01:05 2012, 美东)
1. Fresno, Calif.
The Fresno-Madera metro area takes the prize for dirtiest city in America.
The 500,000 people in this area suffer from being exposed to groundwater
polluted by agriculture as well as having the 5th worst year-round particle
pollution in the nation, according to the American Lung Association.
Sperling Air Quality Index: 1 Sperling... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 237 | 50 yeah. We have already asked a professional inspector, he didn't find
anything that could contain asbestos except for wall/ceiling and things
inside the wall.
But the problem is the house has went through kitchen/bathroom remodeling(
new floors) and other remodeling work, we are not sure if the work is done
per to protocol(things are removed properly if there are any). We did order
a air test but it only test one spot, the result comes back clean but not
sure how accurate it is.
So I am thinkin... 阅读全帖 |
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