c*********e
发帖数: 1389 | 1 You are a very good swimmer! Since you are in master program and have a
coach, I will only pick up some key points, which all are related to your
shoulder issue, to address today. Hope it can help.
You should improve: body rotation, hip drive and timing of kicking and
pulling. Actually, they are different aspects of one thing – how to
generate power in freestyle in middle/long distance.
Since you don’t have enough body rotation and you are flat on the water,
you have to raise your arm more in or... 阅读全帖 |
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c*********e
发帖数: 1389 | 2 自由泳
1.没有好的转肩，滑手和转体打腿的动力连脱节。
2.右手入水过中线。双手入水后先向外划，没有迅速的完成high elbow catch 和 set
up a power position for the pull。这和问题1是相关联的，手入水时没有和肩膀
align好，这样会受伤的。
3.推水无力，方向有问题，推水时同侧腿的big kick没有。
蛙泳：
手存在最根本问题，当然也是自学者中最常见的。当趴在水中时，蛙泳划手，手是划不
到头顶的。开始时一定要high elbow，在前臂和上臂形成90度时，迅速双肘内收，并同
前胸形成cage，产生对水的向后挤压，而产生推动力，然后recover。这是蛙泳滑手和
其他泳姿的推进的重大区别。小时候，教练一开始就十分强调蛙泳手的“夹”字。
你的腿问题不大，除非你可以提高髋和漆关节的柔韧性，不过蛙泳腿是很容易引发漆部
损伤的。差不多就行了。 |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 3 最近在读Sheila Taormina的书，对high elbow catch又有了新的认识，在改我的high
elbow catch（EVF）。然后我的另一个教练朋友又给我发了这个视频，再次看这个视频
，终于知道为什么要这样了。 |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 4 最近在读Sheila Taormina的书，对high elbow catch又有了新的认识，在改我的high
elbow catch（EVF）。然后我的另一个教练朋友又给我发了这个视频，再次看这个视频
，终于知道为什么要这样了。 |
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i*********5
发帖数: 19210 | 5 http://www.feelforthewater.com/2013/10/elite-swimmer-visualisat
Elite Swimmer Visualisation: Don't Start Too Near The Surface
Below is a series of video stills taken from a selection of elite swimmers
right at the very front of their stroke as they commence the catch:
2x Olympic Gold Medallist Rebecca Adlington:
Our original Mr Smooth Jono Van Hazel:
2x Australian 10km Champion Rhys Mainstone:
2x Commonwealth Gold Medallist Ross Davenport:
Elite Junior Triathlete Sky Draper:
Elite Triathlete Guy... 阅读全帖 |
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W*******l
发帖数: 1868 | 6 02/13/2014
100 Yard Free Style
100 Yard Handly Position Drill
100 Yard Handly Position Drill With Fin
100 Yard Skates drill switch drill on the third high elbow pull with fins
100 Yard Skates drill switch hand/side on every high elbow pull with fins
第一次戴Fin，戴上游可真快呀！ |
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W*******l
发帖数: 1868 | 7 02/13/2014
100 Yard Free Style
100 Yard Handly Position Drill
100 Yard Handly Position Drill With Fin
100 Yard Skates drill switch drill on the third high elbow pull with fins
100 Yard Skates drill switch hand/side on every high elbow pull with fins
第一次戴Fin，戴上游可真快呀！ |
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s**a
发帖数: 1995 | 8 TI关于划水和蓄力有段论述，不是很明白。看看大家有没有兴趣共同参详一下。
简述版本：
TI先讲了网球、高尔夫、棒球的击球发力方式：利用躯干转动来蓄能，就像load
spring一样，然后再利用躯干带动肩、肩带动大臂、大臂带动小臂这样层层加速达到最
大击球力量的。说游泳也应该这样最大化划水力量。
下面这两段话讲了怎样利用转体的时候来“蓄能”，但是我在理解上还是有困难，不是
很明白和击球的转体相似在哪里了。
这段话是讲游泳时的：
Same thing in your stroke. Your hand enters the water and reaches forward
just beneath the surface— and I mean reaches, like stretching for something
barely beyond your fingertips on a high shelf. Next, with your hand as far
out as it can possibly go and your body rolling onto its sid... 阅读全帖 |
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s****e
发帖数: 914 | 9 "Move the elbow forward, not upward" I believe Shinji Takeuch said so
somewhere. Or at least, you can find in his underwater finishing Video
captions saying "move elbow forward instantly" etc. |
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T********e
发帖数: 8631 | 10 这翻译也太不靠谱了。原话大概是 lead with your elbow or something. Which
means you focus on lifting and moving forward with your elbow and let
forearm and hand relax. There's a finger drag drill or something.
The key is the no arm 360 rotation drill. Once you got that, nothing else
is really a problem. |
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s****e
发帖数: 914 | 12 貌似recover时应该关注在双肩交替手臂不能发力，看Popov的视频也有类似感觉。 |
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s****e
发帖数: 914 | 14 TI hand position and orientation:
这个是David Shen, 与D导的手掌向后不谋而合，EVF貌似也比较make sense. |
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m****z
发帖数: 978 | 15 EVHand 到 EVF. 由浅入深，经典TI 精神。
现在感觉他的手稍微有点划的过于靠后。
我以前，手也一直划到最后，划的尽量长，另一只手GLIDE。
但是前一阵看了一部关于游泳的小说。说划太后时，动力没有多少。我又在蒙头提高划
水频率，所以最近开始手早出水。不能做到VF时就出水。丧失一点最后只有手在划水的
动力，但提高了频率。
我就自己瞎看，瞎琢磨，一天一个变，也不知道对不。 |
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s****e
发帖数: 914 | 16 Total Immersion Self-Coaching Series: Streamline,
First time seeing Terry use a snorke. |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 17 老爷子2:12之后那小段，看起来跟ti也没什么关系。后脑勺露出水面，曲臂入水前插小
臂虽然比不上popov，但也绝对不是就在脑袋附近入水。 |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 18 oops,ti的教学总应该讲究点一致性。刚才那段terry刚demo了经典的s curve，david
shen又在这里demo前后直划。
terry，david，竹内……名义都叫ti，但是ti的含义各表。
走经典的s curve，后半程划水和推水仍然很有威力（看popov的相对低频游法），但是
直划必须要特别加强小臂和肘的力量，否则后半段力量下降很快。 |
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s****e
发帖数: 914 | 19 老爷子自己比赛和教别人学拎得清的。如果他比赛时也在脑袋附近入水，那就不是争名
次，而是做秀了。 |
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s****e
发帖数: 914 | 20 他们分工合作的：-）。Terry负责低级玩家，手下的TA负责答疑。 |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 21 ...instead of lift...然后做了个漂亮的lift出水动作。陆上人是固定的，看起来胳
膊不够直；用模拟的这个力道在水里做动作手臂要直一些，角度就刚好。但是这一个“
instead of”就是说这么lift不对。
严肃的学员看着terry和竹内的视频，跟着这位大姐和david做陆上练习，多少会感到无
所适从。 |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 22 前后直划可以提早一点出水，最后一段力量比较小；走s curve要到底。 |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 23 有没有人质疑，“你的游法和ti没关系，那你为什么要advocate ti”？ |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 24 也就是说ti是讲究前后直划（就是david shen的划法），而不是s curve（terry的划法
）？
教皇说：“我是教皇，但是教义有搞不清的地方问我手下人” |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 25 “为什么教头的动作和你如此不一样”
“所以他们不是教皇”
“我们的手到底应该怎么动”
“只要wide track入水，充分转体，想怎么动就怎么动。教头告诉你们手掌向后，就手
掌向后。划水路线……欢迎预定下一版ti教程”
这是我迄今为止跟读ti帖子，能想出来的最合理的解释 |
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s****e
发帖数: 914 | 26 I was shocked that there were only 4-5 TI learners at similar level of David
Shen in 2010 and I do not think David Shen was that good in 2010.
Conclusion: TI learners are mostly beginners.
then
stage |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 27 取其精华又不全盘接受看来最可取
ti的不一致性也说明它很包容
then
stage |
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d**y
发帖数: 18174 | 28 正常，刚开始闹革命的用菜刀，能当元帅；现在得懂航母飞机和导弹。
David |
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p******f
发帖数: 341 | 30 I tried to teach couple of my friends who want to hit heavy deep top spin
ball(not moon ball). This was my biggest weapon on my forehand before I got
tennis elbow.
The reason you hit the ball short is because you are brushing the ball too
much, try to keep the ball contact time a little bit longer. If you opponent
is hit same heavy top spin ball on your base line( I am not mean those moon
shoulder high ball), then there will be a lot of elbow action. You need
contact under the ball a little bit |
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f**********o
发帖数: 228 | 31 very good analysis... steadiness and serve are definitely key to winning..
if you google it, there's a 2002 racquet ranking for elbow safety...
http://www.tennislovers.com/index2.htm?Content/elbowsr.htm
i use a prince TT warrior (11.7oz, 95, cheapest "player" racquet from tt
warehouse) and it feels great especially on slice. i also got a ncode team
18x20 as a gift but it has less spin.. (i had to use heat shrinks to change
the grip from 1/4 to 5/8) never had much elbow/shoulder pain except for
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 32 thanks all.
i did watch some videos, learned to play my forehand (right) with
my left hand holding my right elbow, just feel the Windshield Wiper
can i do that in real match? i mean holding my right elbow? |
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a*i
发帖数: 1652 | 33 is there any reason for tennis elbow?
call it BSO, but I never feel anything in the elbow.
I do have problems in the back and left knee. |
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W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 34 Was watching Nick Bollettiere's training video yesterday. He was saying that
if you hit single-handed backhand and uses too much under arm, that will
cause chronic tennis elbow.
The correct form should be keep your arm extended while hitting the backhand
. I think that is the reason how I got my tennis elbow. Does that help in
any way? |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 35 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
asus (NULL) 于 (Mon Aug 10 00:33:58 2009, 美东) 提到:
共花了３小时, 练了１０００个ｖｏｌｌｅｙ, ５００个底线.
Ｔｅａｍ拍子加了点铅皮,振动好像减轻了好多.手肘上次打痛后
现在还没完全好:(
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ken213 (Ken) 于 (Mon Aug 10 07:29:21 2009, 美东) 提到:
Ni NIU!
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bee (bee) 于 (Mon Aug 10 09:14:10 2009, 美东) 提到:
轻拍的确容易导致 Tennis Elbow 或 Golf Elbow，我有过经验教训的，所以我现在只
用重于11.7 Oz的拍子。
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focus (白饭~谈笑退天兵) 于 (Mon Aug 10 |
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b**f
发帖数: 240 | 36 Very elbow/shoulder friendly. After I switched to 7G(a longer version of 5G)
, I never get elbow problem since
then. |
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W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 37 My tennis elbow is healing nicely right now.
I think the most important thing is to find what is causing the tennis elbow
. In my case, it was incorrect movement when hitting backhand. I watched
Nick Bolletieri's video a couple of times and corrected my backhand move and
it is going great right now. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 38 I don't protect it, my wrist just grows stronger by itself after
numerous injuries and recoveries.
Also, it's not too much worth it to correct it, because once you
protect your wrist, all the impact will go to your elbow instead.
i.e., you will either get tennis elbow or tennis wrist anyway,
hehe. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 39 My evaluation:
forehand: 8，根本打不出速度，但是UE也低。
backhand: 10, 极其稳定。
slice: 9, 稳定。
serve: 7, 发不快, spin也一般。
volley: 8, 还成。
另外偶的是Magnesium Pro, 比较软，所以elbow friendly: 10.
POG也算比较elbow friendly.
总之打比赛是比较理想的拍，就是球速不快。 |
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d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 40 GT version is a little heavier than Cortex version, everything else is
very similar.
they are very stiff rackets, they can destroy your elbow. i used cortex
version for about a year, i had discomfort in my elbow in the first month. |
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 41 1. A little discomfort in the elbow joint area in a match, but tough through
the match.
2. Upper arm pain in the tricep tendon (to the elbow) area in both sides of
the upper arm the next day.
3. Applying ice-pack for 5 days, the pain was gone.
4. Rest for another week, play a doubles match. The arm was painful like
hell, but tough through the match.
5. Applying ice that evening, no more pain the next day, but the arm seems
weak.
6. No tennis for a week, doing arm strengthening exercises with dum |
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b*****t
发帖数: 758 | 42 I know many people got tennis elbow. All of them, including myself, totally
recover in 6 months to 1 year. It took me 6 months to get it back with the
following: resting + daily ice pack (and ice massage) + daily tennis elbow
strengthening exercises + two handed backhand.
There is no 绝招 for this: tendon does not grow overnight. Look for things
that will help you in the long term (in the unit of months). |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 43 5G is a famous elbow-friendly racket. I don't know why you can get
tennis elbow with it, hehe. |
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 44 我没有用5G，我是tennis elbow以后想换5G，试了一下还是没换。
我的elbow是一场reach out够一个老大爷的kick serve的时候受了伤，然后就休息了一
个多星期，没有彻底好。
然后不是又有半年多没打球么，现在彻底好了，现在每周打四到五次，没有再受过伤。
我的不是震动造成，是受伤没有好好恢复，然后继续又overuse，另外加上那个5G拍子
是不错，不过不算非常impressive，当时没觉得非换不可，没有阿卡和神拍相见恨晚那
种感觉，就还是保留了原配，直到最近才找了新欢。 |
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g****e
发帖数: 930 | 45 this is her letter:
Dear all,
I address my letter to you because this is currently the best way to express
meself, I now experience very difficult times. I have unfortunately not
good news. I spent the last days undergoing various medical tests and they
have confirmed that my elbow has been damaged by my adventure in Australia.
After my crash at Wimbledon in June, I knew it would be difficult to come
back. But I had decided to keep playing and to give everything to overcome
the injury. In thes... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 46 最近几次打球之后，手腕已经完全没有感觉了，相反从来没疼过的elbow
居然开始疼了，到第二天才能好。
这清楚的表明偶的手腕正在退化。好现象还是坏现象？@_@
不是说重拍有利于保护elbow的吗？现在就是因为重拍，导致偶手腕都甩不动
了。 |
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 47 My view may not be right for you, just a reference and give you some hints
from other guys.
For baseline rally itself, your strokes are more than enough for 3.5 females
if it is like the video in your game.
I am not sure how to point it exactly on your forehand follow thru.
Maybe it is about your right shoulder. It is kind of stiff and tight, then
stuck there with your chin when you finish. This reduced your fluency as
well as the recovery efficiency.
Next time try to release your elbow and let ... 阅读全帖 |
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o**w
发帖数: 337 | 48 如果你肘子有问题，最好用重和软的球拍。
我以前有tennis elbow，就用380多克、硬度54的球拍，硬是把tennis elbow打走了。 |
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o**w
发帖数: 337 | 49
1) Get a pair of dumb bells, and gradually rebuild the strength of muscles
and tendons
2) Some simple stretch exercises, such as elbow straightening out and
bending back repeatedly, doing those streches regularly
3) Dip your arm into icy or hot water, and massage the areas that cause the
pain
If your elbow is not getting any better after a few months or a year, you
may have to seek the medical solution. |
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L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 50 well, your shoulder/elbow position is relatively fixed (extend of ankle at
every strike can lift couple inches), forearm is about 1.5 ft, plus racket
length, close to 4 feet, closing of elbow a little can achieve move the
strike zone up a foot. the difficult part is catch the ball near the top.
much faster timing and foot work is needed. |
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